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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:32 PM
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BREAKING: Phil Spector convicted of second-degree murder
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 04:44 PM by Tab
Source: AP

LOS ANGELES Rock music producer Phil Spector was convicted Monday of second-degree murder in the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson at his mansion six years ago.

A Superior Court jury returned the verdict after an estimated 29 to 30 hours of deliberations. The jury had the option of choosing involuntary manslaughter, but did not do so.

Spector's young wife, Rachelle, sobbed as the decision was announced.

The 40-year-old Clarkson, star of the 1985 cult film "Barbarian Queen," died of a gunshot fired in her mouth as she sat in the foyer of Spector's mansion in 2003. She met Spector only hours earlier at her job as a nightclub hostess.

Prosecutors argued Spector had a history of threatening women with guns when they tried to leave his presence.

The defense claimed she killed herself.

It was Spector's second trial. His first jury deadlocked 10-2, favoring conviction in 2007.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/phil_spector



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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:34 PM
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1. Fuck - if any case was a clear cut 1st deg murder, it was this one...
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:35 PM
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2. I guess I haven't read up on this in a while...do you really think
it was premeditated? From what I remember, the 2nd degree should've been a slam dunk, for sure.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:36 PM
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4. Pretty sure it came out of an argument - but Spector loved to pull guns on people all the time
He is one sick fuck
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:37 PM
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5. Yes, he is!
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:40 PM
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8. didnt he pull one on the ramones?
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:42 PM
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9. and John Lennon, and he pulled a crossbow
on Leonard Cohen
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:44 PM
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10. lol
a crossbow on leonard cohen. Fuck, i'd give my soul to see that.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:42 PM
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29. My guess is Leonard didn't even flinch...
That guy is a badass!
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:00 PM
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17. Yep - on Dee Dee
cocked it too...

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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:34 AM
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48. And Debbie Harry
From Spin:
"And now, lively Blondie frontwoman Debbie Harry has come forward, exposing her experience at the mercy of Spector's antics. "He did it - he pulled a gun, that notorious thing he does," Harry told U.K.'s The Mirror. "He stuck it in my boot and went 'Bang'. I thought, 'Get me outta here. I just wanna go home.'"
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:36 PM
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3. Yeah, but he is very wealthy, so that muddies the facts. nt
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:52 PM
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13. My very first thought. How could it not have been? It was all or nothing.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:08 PM
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21. I have a problem with them offering the jury a lesser offense
It gives them an out to their conscience, they can figure, "Well, I'll go along with the majority on the lesser offense, at least he won't be executed and if he's innocent some other lawyer will prove it to some other jury."
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 09:14 PM
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40. Well, as I understand it

First degree murder is plotting the murder of the victim, making plans, and executing them (no pun intended).

Second degree murder is more of a "crime of passion" - something that happened in the moment.

Manslaughter is effectively accidental, but due to carelessness.

I don't think they can prove the murder was premeditated, but it did happen "in the moment", and thus they can hang him on second-degree.

It doesn't really matter because he's effectively out of society for the rest of his "productive" lifespan.

It's sad really - he was a brilliant producer. Was he nuts? Did he do (or continue to do) too many drugs? Couldn't say. But he definitely turned into a loose cannon, so to speak.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:59 PM
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15. Yeah, but given the first jury can you honestly say "beyond a reasonable doubt"?
I know nothing about the case or the trial, but if two jurors held fast on the first trial, I'd be inclined to say that there was reasonable doubt. I think the state should only have one shot at you.

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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:15 PM
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23. No they should not
This asshole was guilty. I don't know what held the 2 jurors back but I'm glad he got tried again. He tried to say that Lana Clarkson committed suicide. The woman had her purse around her shoulder and her teeth were clinched when "She" put the gun to her mouth. She was trying to leave and he didn't want her to go. Spector was also heard saying "He shot her". But then of course they get a slime ball attorney and then the plead not guilty. 5 other women testified he held guns their heads and threatened them if they left him. He is a nut who should have been put in jail while waiting for his trial to get started. He's another one like Madoff he has been at home all this time. If it was you or me we would have been in jail straight from the get go. He's a POS.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:17 PM
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24. Agreed. And he fucked up Let it Be too...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:23 PM
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43. The first jury was 10-2 for conviction
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 11:23 PM by rocktivity
Either the two were too starstruck, or dumb enough to believe that someone would kill themselves in the presence of someone who could advance their career practically overnight.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:22 AM
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53. So you're saying that the defense doesn't make sense.
And I respect that. Can you allow that the prosecution's case might not have made sense to two people like me, who regardless of the judge's instructions (possibly to the contrary) have their own very high standards of what constitutes a reasonable doubt when deciding whether to convict someone of a crime?

As for being starstruck, I wouldn't know who Phil Spector was other than a footnote in the bios of some of my favorite performers had it not been for these trials.

I hate to drag out the OJ trial, but I paid a lot more attention to that trial, watched the ongoing shows as it was happening, read the stuff as it came out, and I would have voted not-guilty. I would have done that for a couple of reasons.

1- It didn't make sense.

2- Everyone appeared to be lying about something or leaving something out.

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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:00 PM
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16. I don't think he meant to kill her.
But as you can see from the other posts, he had a history of getting flaky with guns. I know about the episode
with him firing a gun during a recording session with John Lennon from several bios I've read about John.

Phil was probably stoned and just pulled his stupid stunt one time too many.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:21 PM
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25. He deserved what he got
Actually I think it should have been 1st degree. He's done this many times. I would consider that premeditated. He knew what he was doing. As far as not meaning to kill her maybe. Fact is he did. He rolled the dice too many times and I hope he becomes someones bitch real soon.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:39 PM
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36. why do we always have to wish prison rape on convicts?
i don't really think that should be part of the sentence.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:29 PM
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38. the UN chastised the the USA for using homosexual rape as torture in its prisons
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:44 AM
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46. I watched a music documentary filmed like 20 years ago... The musicians
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 12:44 AM by Liberal_in_LA
talked about how Phil pulled guns on them at his home. He has a long history of being cavalier with guns, particularly pulling guns on people to get them to stay or whatever. 6 years ago, Phil and the victim had the misfortune of the gun going off. While it probably was an accident, Phil was very negligent.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:40 PM
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6. What did his hair get?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:40 PM
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7. Holy cats, does that guy look creepy!


:scared:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:01 PM
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18. He looks like a hobbit strung out on meth.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:30 PM
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27. That'd be Gollum, basically
:puke:
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:18 PM
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34. Looks like a character from a Tim Burton animation.
I loved Spector's music but the guy was always an accident waiting to happen.

Amazed it took so long.

The Skin
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:12 AM
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49. Did he think this lapel pin would help him out, somehow?


Phil Spector arrives at court in Los Angeles after jurors
announced they had reached a verdict in his murder trial.

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/13/phil-spector-convicted-of-murder
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:46 PM
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11. CUE THE VONAGE THEME!
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 04:48 PM by rocktivity
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

One for each smart juror!

:headbang:
rocktivity
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:58 PM
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14. They took his ass right into custody too!!
:bounce:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:49 PM
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12. Take that for ruining "The Long and Winding Road"!
:mad: :mad:
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:03 PM
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19. nah - he saved that song...barely
say what you will about Phil Spector the piece of shit human being, but I gotta agree with John Lennon and George Harrison. Spector's production on that album was top-notch.
Still it's easily my least favorite Beatles song. I do find the Spector additions make McCartney at his most maudlin slightly tolerable.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:33 PM
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28. Opinions aside, check out "Let It Be...Naked" for a Specter-less remix of the entire album. nt
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:40 PM
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37. 100% agree.
Naked, was like hearing the actual album for the first time...

Except I had the bootlegs long before that.

;-)

Still, it was nice of them to give us a perfect remaster of the non-Spectre... Specter tracks.


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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:15 PM
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41. I didn't care for the mixes McCartney came up with, but
I did like his running order
"Get back" was meant to be be a great opener
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:06 PM
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20. He killed Mrs. Vargas!!!!
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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:19 PM
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35. HOLY *&^%!!!! That IS mrs. vargas!!!
I didn't recognize the name!
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:09 PM
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22. Good ..I did watch this trial and he really needs to be sent away!
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Ticonderoga Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:24 PM
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26. Man this dude even looks like a weirdo
Oh well he's 69 so whatever time he gets surely will be Life in Prison without parole.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:41 AM
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45. we don't convict people cuz of bad hair! lol n/t
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:47 PM
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30. Honestly, I watched much of the first trial and was astonished with a hung jury
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 05:49 PM by chelsea0011
How's that wall of sound going to fill an 8 by 10 cell?
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:48 PM
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31. His Young Wife Rachel?
she married him when? AFTER he shot this girl in the face?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:09 PM
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39. You would be surprised at the number of women who flock
to the Mansons, Spectors and OJs. It's a sickness really...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:31 AM
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51. And record producers
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:09 PM
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32. Don't drop the soap Phil
Whoa--oh--oh--oh--ooooooooooooooo
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:36 AM
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55. again with the prison rape
do you really want him to be raped anally by another prisoner?
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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:17 PM
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33. It's nice to see that he fired his old hairdresser
This style doesn't look too bad. He's always been a different person.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:24 AM
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44. I like his new look.
Let's see him try to stay this vain in prison.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:31 AM
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47. Hairdresser? Spector's worn rugs for quite some time.
I bet they'll make him lose the toupee, just like Traficant.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:32 PM
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42. Now Phil can look forward to his cellmate's rendition...
...of "Be My Baby." :evilgrin:

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:31 AM
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50. NPR profile this AM. The guy's batshit crazy. Slam-dunk insanity defense
Mental illness in his family, obsessed with guns & gun-waving, paranoid...
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:35 AM
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52. C'mon, the dude produced "Be My Baby" and influenced Brian Wilson to make "Pet Sounds"
Cut him some slack.
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ardvark Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:24 AM
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54. too bad really, he was the 'spark' of early 1960s sound and culture
not saying he shouldnt be punished, just saying the whole thing is kinda sad

in his time, the future looked great, and he was on top

now, the country's in the crapper, and he's in jail
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