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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:54 AM
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Democrats take the fight to Limbaugh's doorstep (buying billboard space in West Palm Beach)
Source: CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) – The Democratic National Committee plans to buy billboard space in West Palm Beach criticizing Rush Limbaugh for opposing President Obama's policies.

The DNC sent an email to supporters Thursday soliciting a "slogan in ten words or less " that will appear on the billboard in Limbaugh's Florida hometown.

"If Republican leaders aren't willing to tell Rush, then we will," DNC Executive Director Jen O'Malley Dillon wrote in the email. "Americans want President Obama to succeed. Our country's future depends on it. Rooting for the President's failure is rooting for our country to fail."

The DNC did not offer any further details, such as when it plans to erect the billboard.


Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/05/democrats-take-the-fight-to-limbaughs-doorstep/
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:56 AM
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1. Here is how everyone can help...
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 10:57 AM by liberal N proud
Can you help us come up with a message for Rush that we'll place on a billboard right in his hometown?

We'll go through all the slogans we get, and the winner will have his or her message appear on the billboard -- and receive a free T-shirt featuring the winning slogan.

If Republican leaders aren't willing to tell Rush, then we will. Americans want President Obama to succeed. Our country's future depends on it. Rooting for the President's failure is rooting for our country to fail.

To get America back on a path to prosperity, we'll need to leave behind the failed partisan attack politics of the past. Americans voted for a new direction in November. Choosing Rush Limbaugh to be the voice of their party -- as Republican leaders have done -- is not the answer.

Send in your suggestion of ten words or less for a billboard and we'll choose the best one to put in Rush's own "backyard":


http://www.democrats.org/page/m2/4052b156/5fd8645/5d309101/74b97f7e/3701697056/VEsF

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:42 PM
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16. Here's my slogan about him


http://www.zazzle.com/limbaugh_celebrating_fat_and_stupid_since_1988_tshirt-235985346472670794

Probably not the tone to set--but the above is exactly what I think of him.

That spectacle of him jumping up and down at CPAC was about the worst ever.

The man is a joke!
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 08:23 AM
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53. LOL!
I love it!
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:56 PM
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39. Rush! Your a sore on Americas Ass!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:57 AM
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2. If this is a fact, it would be counterproductive. It only gives him free
advertising in a radio market that only had Randi as the opposition voice and now she's gone. If this is the big brains we have on the DNC now, you can be sure I won't be contributing.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:01 AM
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3. The DNC wants to paint rush as the defacto leader of the rethug party.
What better way, than to increase his visibility? They'll successfully rebrand them as rushpublicans. And that will marginalize them for good.
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:32 AM
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8. then don't but its a great idea...instead of hiding when the big bad
repukes attack us attack back....
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:50 PM
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17. Agreed
And if the polls show that Rush is that unpopular as what Begala was saying, it should be brushed off as just stupid (Rush) being stupid again.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:24 PM
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31. BC I have contributed in the past., I got that message in an email from the DNC. I agree that it is
a dumb idea.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 12:56 AM
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76. I'm not sure I like it either because I certainly wanted Bush/Cheney policies to fail . . .
I want any right-wing agenda to fail. And, of course, I believe those

agendas were harmful to our nation. Hard to deny they weren't!!!

But . . . I think, you'll find the same thinking among the right---

so, yes, I'd strongly oppose Rush but get the liberal organizations united

to do it--

The feminists have campaigned against him for a long, long time-- pretty much alone!!

But -- I think the insensitity in the "Ted Kennedy" issue should be the starting point.

But Democrats should keep pounding on employment and the need not to bail out capitalists

but to bail out citizens!!

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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:02 AM
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4. eh
I hope that Rush isn't mentioned in the billboard, if this is true. It should just be something positive, about people wanting America to succeed. Save actual references to Rush from now on for the next time he says something really offensive. Hell, now that Republicans have lost the message on this one, they are still screwing themselves with the "it's a distraction! Wait, it's a distraction!" Yet, the Republicans keep talking about it. See below.

http://www.bobcesca.com/

Big John
Senator John Cornyn -- "Big John" -- is circulating a petition demanding that the Obama administration come clean about its "conspiracy" to smear Rush Limbaugh.

Seriously.

"President Obama owes the American people an explanation.
His staff should apologize to the American people for supporting these tactics and diverting attention to the hard work that needs to be done to get America’s economy back on track.

Please join me in signing this petition and calling on the Obama White House to come clean on this matter."


Yep. A prominent Republican senator is circulating a petition in support of Rush Limbaugh. While he's at it, Cornyn might as well fly down to Palm Beach in his cowboy drag to offer Limbaugh an luxurious sponge bath.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:35 AM
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9. How ridiculous
In the first place, what are the smears?

- That Rush said he wants Obama to fail - he did
- That his is an ugly voice of hate - that is opinion and thus can't be a lie

Now, Cornyn can look to his own state and ask why a super wealthy man was allowed to smear - with proven lies - a sitting US Senator and the Presidential nominee of a party. Certainly a more important position that a self important entertainer. That the lies were concerning heroic service where he risked his life and health as a 25 year old makes it worse because that is the way one of the parties repaid him for that service.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:20 AM
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5. got my e-mail minutes ago......any suggestions on slogans?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:20 AM
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6. Who's the bigger fool?
The fool (Limbaugh) or the fools who follow him (the Republican party)?
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:24 PM
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12. If you chop that down to. . .
WHO'S THE BIGGER FOOL?
HIM (picture of Rush) OR THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM? (picture of various GOopers)

Ten words (plus pictures)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:27 PM
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13. Works for me
I'm more of a word person; graphics I leave to someone else.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Maybe even better (chop it down a little further) to
WHO'S THE BIGGER FOOL?
HIM? (picture of Rush)
OR
THEM? (picture of various Repubicans)

7 words


:kick::kick:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:21 PM
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19. I like the contrast
Between the foolish leader (who, as we all know is no leader at all, but "just an entertainer") and the foolish followers (the putative "leaders" of the Republican party).
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 12:58 AM
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77. I don't know about insulting his listeners . . . ??? Does that make sense???
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. Keep it below nine
Someone did a study and found out nine words were about all you could put on a billboard if you want it to be read at driving speed.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 08:53 PM
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41. Im more concerned with the fools who are giving him this limelight
Do people not realise that we are giving a guy with 3 hours a day uncontested equal billing with the president. I can see this back firing in a big way.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:00 AM
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78. Right -- and I think spotlighting corporations who put him on the air . . .Clear Channel . . .
what they stand for, who they really are ---

this has to be a wider, more locally based movement.

I don't like seeing it come from DC.

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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 08:04 PM
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73. Or how about
The people here who hang on his every word and obsess about everything he says?

We just end up looking stupid.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:22 AM
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7. He's more likely to read a message scrawled on the men's room wall...
of the local bus station or rest area
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:36 AM
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10. I think Rush is imploding pretty well without our help, why
can't Dems just stay out of this, just my opinion. Wasn't it Rush who first said he wants Obama to fail?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:33 PM
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14. One reason.
Rush doesn't represent all Republicans, but he is THE authority figure that 23% of Americans trust entirely and without reservation. That 23%, the right-wing authoritarians, are the exact same kinds of people who put on armbands and took to the streets for the Nazis. They are the people whose support for the worst president in our nation's history never wavered. They are extremely dangerous when both misinformed and stirred to motivation by their leaders, which is what Rush is succeeding in doing. The first guy who gets off a shot at President Obama is going to be a white male Rush-listening right-wing authoritarian, so taking Rush out by discrediting him in front of his followers is also a national security imperative.

You don't do that by hitting him with the truth--his followers are immune to the truth. You do it by making him look stupid, and especially by making him look weak. We also have to have a strong authority figure nearby who is telling the truth, or the closest thing to the truth that can be told these days in Washington, so that we can start debriefing these poor, lost, frightened people.

Right now almost one out of four people in America is frightened and horribly misinformed--scared shitless for all the wrong reasons and completely ignorant about the real things about which they should be worried. Those people are being misused and manipulated for the purposes of Mr. Limbaugh and the people who control him. He must be stopped, if only to give his listeners a better life.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:28 PM
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32. Agree. Dems are resuscitating Rush's career by bestowing this importance on him. Dumb.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:02 AM
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79. Well, I think there should be responses --- from everywhere . ..
but for the Dems to go in directly to face off with this one idiot host . . .

I don't think so! It makes Rush more important than he is.

Granted, he's fooled a lot of people -- but we have to get that said in a way

that moves those people away from him and to our side. Not antagonize them.

I like the "entertainer" bit that Olbermann does -- and I'm sure Jon Stewart is effective.

More of that -- nothing better than making someone laughable!!!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:47 AM
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11. Remember, Rush was returning from the Dominican Republic with Viagra.
American tourist go there to take part in the child prostitution that has flourished there for years.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:03 AM
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80. Somehow the GOP perverts -- from Thomas to Rush -- seem to keep the cover on their behavior . . .!!!
Maybe one day the fates will work in our favor --- ????
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:55 PM
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18. This is idiotic.
What's the difference between the DNC doing this,
and the RNC taking out billboards against
Randi Rhodes.
Or Thom Hartman.
Or Ed Schultz.
Or Stephen Colbert for that matter?

We are giving him too much attention
as it is.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. and childish

this just seems really juvenile to me.

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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:22 PM
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30. Exactly
This is an enormous waste of time and very 7th grade (no offense meant to any actual 7th graders...).

I'd still probably laugh at it, though. x(
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 05:00 PM
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37. One difference: Schultz, Hartman etc are not acknowleged leaders of our party.
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 05:02 PM by Dr Fate
By any stretch of the imagination.

Another huge difference- most people have never even heard of the hosts you mentioned, and they certainly dont even know what they say or look like.

Another difference- lefty hosts NEVER, ever, EVER went on CSPAN and crowed aboput wanting the US to fail.

As well-DEMS dont grovel to or apologize to, or take orders from any of the people you listed.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #18
81. Excellent point --- and I can see defending "Ted Kennedy" comment . . .
but go for the violence he encourages and his insensitivity -- etal ...

and make it a widespread movement -- -the DNC shouldn't be the spearhead.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:53 PM
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20. How's this?
Lost your Job?
Lost your home?
Thank Rush Limbaugh.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:01 PM
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21. Mt RushFAIL!
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 02:02 PM by Binka
Throw in a volcano graphic or two!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 03:15 PM
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24. Like it.
:rofl:

With Rush dressed up as a Witch Doctor, throwing Steele into the crater as a sacrifice to the God of Money.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 03:21 PM
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25. I don't agree.
The Democratic Party NEEDS to stay ABOVE this.

The DNC should focus their time, money, and effort in selecting two Republican Senators to defeat in 2010.

Rush Limbaugh doesn't hold an elected office, and ANY publicity for him is GOOD publicity.
Nobody who currently listens to Rush is going to STOP listening.
They will RALLY to his support, and "Centrists" who don't listen are going to start tuning IN to see what all the controversy is about.
(I did yesterday :puke:)

No member of the Democratic Party should even mention his name.
He isn't worth the time and effort.
Two more seats in the Senate.....THAT is The Battle....not Rush!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 03:31 PM
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26. When we followed your strategy, Clinton was impeached and Bush was elected twice.
Ignoring the RW echo chamber for the past 20 years was a mistake.

Good to know Obama learned from it.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:37 PM
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33. We ignored it when it was powerful, but that does not mean we should put Rush in a spotlight as he
is self-destructing. Let him tell America he wants it to fail. Let him fight with his party's leaders and they with him. By the Democrats getting into this, they are saying, "Rush looked like he was imploding, but he's number 1 on the Democratic Party's list of priorities. We did not fight him when we should have fought, but now we are fighting when we should act as though he's irrelevant.

Just bc something would have been smart 20 years ago doesn't mean it's smart now.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:42 PM
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34. Except it does not appear to be playing out that way at all.
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 04:44 PM by Dr Fate
Turn on your cable TV news tonight and them come back and tell me that Rush's ideas and tactics are not still be used. Lies, Propaganda and the conservative agenda is struggling, but it is indeed alive, and it is still well funded.

So far, the only people this has dragged down have been Steele, Jindal, the RNC and Rush himself.

I've never believed in letting my enemies "fall on their own sword"- I believe in taking their own sword from them and stabbing them with it. That includes stabbing them while they are down.





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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:41 AM
Response to Reply #34
48. You are assuming the conclusion, meaning that you assume that by having the WH and the DNC
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 06:52 AM by No Elephants
treating Rush now as though he is important, they are "stabbing" him. I disagree with that, for the reasons I have stated. I don't disagree with dispatching enemies. But, I think this stuff is doing the opposite of dispatching Rush.

As far as cable TV, it's cause and effect. If it is just Rush howling at the moon that he wants Obama to fail, you report that once or twice, then it's old stuff and the media moves on to the next thing. That's why people say "no comment" so often. The media reports the "no comment" once, then the story simpy dies because there is nothing more to say. If you give more of a response, then Rush responds to that and you respond to him, etc., until Rush stops or you stop. Meanwhile, with each response you give, you give the media stories new life. The media has a field day---and so does Rush, who doesn't care what you say about him, as long as you don't treat him as the irrelevant gnat he has become by ignoring him.

Obama's comment, Gibbs' comment, the DNC email about the billboard, etc. ARE what is making this a story no news outlet can resis. resist. AND make Rush seem as though he really is on Obama's level and that Obama somehow has to defend himself against Rush or debate Rush or whatever. Obama does not have to run for the Presidency anymore, not against Rush or anyone else. What Obama has to do now is accomplish.

So, we don't disagree on the ultimate goal, namely dispatching enemies. We merely on whether Obama's comment, Gibbs's comments and, for heaven sake, a billboard outside his home actually dispatches him or has the opposite effect. And we probably won't agree on that. That's what makes a horse race.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. Give an example of where we beat the GOP by ignoring them and letting them say whatever they want.
n/t
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #34
68. Amen Dr. Fate
You said it
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #33
70. That Limbaugh is imploding is a wonderful reason to keep the spotlight on him.
That Limbaugh is imploding is in itself a wonderful reason to keep the spotlight on him.

And Pres. Obama himself seems to be staying far away from this and from all appearances, implies that Rush is little more than a bug on his windshield.

In allowing the machinery to take on Rush as his proxy, Pres. Obama gives the appearance of a man staying far above a schoolyard fight, while at the same time, the machinery keeps the light focused on Limbaugh to advertise his true nature for all to see.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #26
82. I don't think we should ignore Rush . . . there should always be strong response . . .
this plan just comes in a way that makes Rush as important as Obama --

it doesn't feel right.

We want to depower Rush, not empower him.

And if it was all so clear I think the slogans would be shooting out of all our mouths!

The insensitity of the "Ted Kennedy Memorial" comment today was banal.

And someone has to tackle that understand that many Rush listeners will hate Ted Kennedy.

So I think the insensitivity re his illness is the issue I'd go for.

Everyone with any feelings at all gets that.

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Oh yeah, stay above this, like not shaking the plastic keys for Grampa Johnnie
or calling Bobby Jindal by his real name, or hundreds of other little barbs that we never took advantage of and the RNC skewered us, and the American people thought for decades we were the party of dopes.

We have these scumbags on their knees, cut their heads off and enough with the holier than thou shit.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #29
83. I think it's worthwhile to think about HOW we do this --- and not make more enemies .. .
"It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it" . . .

I think we'd be wise to try to come out of this with some Rush listeners

on our side -- break them up -- separate them.

Some of them must need health care -- some must be on Social Security --

Medicare? Some must have children losing jobs? Needing health care?

Some of them may be fighting cancer, themselves? Like Ted Kennedy!

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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 07:33 AM
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52. I have to agree. Let's not make a meal of this. Ther is real work to be done.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #52
64. And discrediting powerfull voices who want to assure our work will "fail", may be a legit strategy.
I just dont see Rush/RNC etc just magically going away without being fought and exposed- but I hope you guys are right.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:18 PM
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27. For someone who never ran for office, he thinks he has all of the answers.
Or


You need a college degree to run for The Office of the President. Some people will never qualify.



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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:20 PM
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28. All I can say is that it is about fucking time.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:42 PM
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35. Sorry, this is dumb. You have the head of the Republican Party calling Rush
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 04:43 PM by No Elephants
incendiary and ugly. You have Rush braying daily about wanting Obama to fail when Obama's approval ratings are high and people are desperate for Obama to succeed.

Maybe the smart thing to do 20 years would have been to fight Rush. Now, the smart thing to do is let him and the Republican Party implode. Instead, 20 years too late, we are putting the spotlight on him as though he is as big a deal as Obama, opening the door for him (Rush) to start acting as though Obama has to run against him. Very ill-advised, IMO.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. I've never seen the "let them fall on their own sword" tactic work. Do you have an example...
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 04:47 PM by Dr Fate
...of it working?

Seriously- show me a time where we ignored conservatives and then they just went away without doing any damage.

I certainly have 20 or 30 examples of it NOT working.

You first.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. I have an example (2 really):
Election 2006

Election 2008

Why change a strategy when you are winning and the public is already on your side?
Rush had marginalized himself.
No one was listening except his "Ditto Heads".
I'll bet his listeners have doubled in the last week.

Rush should be countered, but use proxies.
Let Jon Stewart, Olbermann, Maddow, et al, carry on the feud.


Obama and the DNC should FOCUS on getting Democrats ELECTED....
.....NOT rolling in the mud with Rush.

My grandma had a saying:
NEVER fight with a PIG.
You both get dirty, but the PIG likes it.


If I hadn't already stopped donating to the DNC (and the DCCC/DSCC), I would do so now.
I wouldn't want my money spent on Rush Limbaugh.



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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. I disagree- DEMS did not play '06 & '08 like they did previous failed elections.
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 09:21 PM by Dr Fate
Take the Rev. Wright Scandal-rather than ignoring the Rush Limbaugh's spouting that crap (see Swiftboat Vets)- Obama took it head on. I see him continuing that strategy to this day. Our "Rush" in 2008 was Bush, no?

In 2006, we didnt ignore the GOP and just hoped that they went away- we blamed them for all their failures-and again, we associated them directly with an unpopular boogeyman (Bush). We did not ignore, but engaged and contrasted ourselves to them.

You did not provide any examples of how the GOP was simply ignored in 2006 or 2008. We did anything but ignore them or wait for them to fall on their sword- we took them head on.

Also, if Rush gains some short terms ratings for a day or two (People love a train wreck), we still took the RNC down a notch a two- and they are still trying to figure out how to deal with this label we pinned on them...

I think taking on the RW echo chamber is a legit strategical prong to getting more DEMS elected.

We shall see- thanks for the thoughful response.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #43
63. That "crap" came up in the PRIMARIES...
McCain REFRAINED from using Wright and Ayres
compared to the Clinton campaign....
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. And it was not ignored, it was taken head on.
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 02:23 PM by Dr Fate
Rush and the rest were talking about it every day.

Of course, Obama took it on directly.

I've never seen how ignoring attacks works- at least not for DEMS.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Amen
This is a stupid bit of nonsense by the DNC. The only people who like Limpballs will never be Democrats, will never vote for Democrats. Why waste our time, energy an money fighting someone who appeals to a segment of the population we will never win over?

This is just lame. Drop it. I don't give a shit what Limpballs says and neither should the DNC.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #45
57. Amen? See post #43- you might be giving an amen to an incorrect premise. n/t
n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #42
50. I would not say "never." At this time, though, I believe stepping back is far more lethal to
them than engaging them would be. I believe engaging them--at least as Obama, Gibbs and the DNC have been--only makes them stronger and elevates them to a position in the pecking order that they simply don't have at this time.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #50
59. But can you give one single, solitary example of the "ignore them" strategy ever working?
You sound like you are making a lot of sense on paper- but where are the actual examples of this ever working?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #36
49. Please see Post 48.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. I did. No one has provided us with an actual example of how ignoring the GOP has ever worked.
All I see is predictions fromt e both of us.

Any of us, inclusing you, could provide 20 or 30 examples of how ignoring the GOP did not work.

Having said that- I'll concede that the billboard thing may not be the best out way to push the meme.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #35
47. Washington Post says this is another plot cooked up by Rahm Emanuel!

"Operation Limbaugh". That explains why we have the DLCers like Carville, himself, etc. leading the charge on this. Playing right along with the distracto corporate media... Probably want to take the heat off of the hearings on health care, the pending investigations, etc.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/06/most-voters-dont-see-limbaugh-as-gop-chief/

Most voters don't see Limbaugh as GOP chief
Democrats use radio host to rally base
Joseph Curl THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Friday, March 6, 2009

With President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Karl Rove gone, the Democrats have lost easily identifiable right-wing leaders to vilify.

But Democrats think they've found a replacement - Rush Limbaugh - even if most Americans aren't buying it.

...

At the same time, Operation Limbaugh, which was reportedly hatched by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and other Democratic operatives, is risky, especially since the popular conservative radio host isn't confined by the typically restrained language of elected lawmakers.

"Rush Limbaugh has fired up the base of the Republican Party there is no question, and those are the activists that will be needed to get them back on their feet," Mrs. Marsh said.

...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #47
60. WRONG- you are quoting the discreditied conservative paper- the Washington TIMES.
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 02:14 PM by Dr Fate
And the Times is full of shit- of course they are going to try to spin this as something voters disagree with.

They offer no proof or data, as usual...
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Well, you have the DCCC, Rahm, and friend Carville all on the Rush warpath now...
Now, I know the moonie times sometimes distorts things, but circumstantial evidence would suggest that Rahm and his friends are making a point of attacking Rush, even if it wasn't their original "plan".

http://www.dccc.org/content/sorry

The DCCC was formerly the organization that Rahm headed up...

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. My point is the TIMES is probably lying when they say "voters are not buying it."
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 02:15 PM by Dr Fate
They give no data to support that assertion- this is just Rush style propaganda defending Rush style propaganda.

I assumed from the very begining that this was set in motion by DEMS.

I like the fact that they made a coordinated effort to show the true face of the GOP leadership. It's an honest, legit strategy with no lying or distortion involved.

No DEMS forced Steele, Jindal etc to grovel and apologize to Rush, nor did they "trick" prominent GOPers into clarifying that Rush does indeed have a leadership role in their party.

Steele is on the way out either way- so chalk one up for the good guys.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. My point though is that the corporate dems are jumping on this issue more than they should...
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 02:46 PM by cascadiance
I think there's a risk of it biting us in the butt too later as well. There are many more far more important issues to focus on, but many that the corporate dems don't want to deal with (aka single payer health care, the bailouts, etc.) when they see conflicts of interest that they have to explain between the Democratic Party voting base and their corporate sponsors.

Focusing on Rush Limbaugh serves to distract not only the right wing but the rest of us onto this topic, rather than the important issues at hand. And I say we should try to find ways of minimizing attention to Rush Limbaugh, not maximizing it.

I hate Rush Limbaugh just as much as you all do, but like Thom Hartmann, don't want to dwell on this issue that just serves to give him more exposure at the expense of us doing other more useful things. Rahm, the DCCC, and Carville focusing on their battle with Rush in effect are fueling the Moonie Times to dwell on this, as this also feeds their corporate agenda of distracting us from more important things too.

And sorry about my earlier post saying the "post" instead of the times. That was misleading and wasn't an intentional misleading on my part. I think it was at a time I hadn't had much sleep and my eyes and concentration weren't probably as up to speed as they should have to put the title in correctly.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. I think you and the others are making great points, really.
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 02:34 PM by Dr Fate
I doubt that DEMS will "dwell" on this much longer.

My larger point is ignoring the bad guys never works- a shot across the bow every now & then is needed.

In this case, our shot took out RNC Chair Mike Steele- he made himself look like an idiot over this-and now many RNC members are calling for his resignation-proving our point.

As well, the Moonie times discredits itself even further by sticking up for Rush (who polls in the low 20's)

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #35
85. Keep Steel's words about Rush out there -- "incendiary and ugly" . .
Yes -- take on Rush -- but in a planned, sensible way -- and stick with it.

The feminists have been after this guy for decades --- alone.

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 06:06 PM
Response to Original message
38. We want our President, AND Our Country, to SUCCEED
.
.
.

Space it out - an Obama logo somewhere

maybe a pic of the Statue of Liberty, the White House,

but that's it

NO reference to Rush Limpwhatever . .

those that have followed the issue

will know

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. I would pick you as the winner. Not a "childish" message at all for those concerned.

Simple and to the point, and there is no good retort for it.

I hope you submit it!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. You take it - I'm a Canuk, I think it would be better if a USA person did it
.
.
.

or anyone else on this board

I'm not an American citizen, but if you think it's that good

spread it around and let an American submit it

and thanks for the compliment

:hi:

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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #38
54. That's a good one - No mention of Limpballs
That's the best way to do it.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #54
75. Well then YOU or an acquaintance submit i t, - change a word if you want
.
.
.


And to tell you the truth, I haven't seen any better suggestions on this board yet

too many children just making smart-ass remarks


I used to say I was a dumm Canuk

but I think most here that read my posts realize that I am not . . .

OH I KNOW

some do not agree with me - that's OK

but listen . . . .

please . .
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #38
86. Yes --- that's more like it ---!!!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #86
91. A shorter, and more positive version . . .
.
.
.

Our President, and our Country, WILL SUCCEED!



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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
46. I just told the DNC that they can expect no more money from me
I will not send money to a group that is promoting Limbaugh. This is nuts.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 07:20 AM
Response to Original message
51. Why is the DNC giving this guy so much attention?
He is just a freakin radio show host. Even lots of republicans think he is ridiculous. And he doesn't have that many listeners. Just a handful of rabid supporters.
Does the DNC really consider this silly little talk show such a threat? I'll bet this fight is giving him a lot more listeners.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #51
87. 'Cause they're trying to figure out
Edited on Sat Mar-07-09 01:16 AM by ProudDad
how to elect some more blue dogs?
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
55. We are fighting him over there so we don't have to fight him over here nt
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 06:45 PM
Response to Original message
69. Christ I am SO sick of this Dem strategy of "let's play nice and they'll go away"
Bullshit. The pukes NEVER go away. Everything we can do to associate OxySlob with the GOP is good for the Dems. This play nice bullshit never got us anywhere in 30 years.
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RushIsRot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 07:01 PM
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71. Lim-bots Led in a Rush to Oblivion.
Or heck my screen name.
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bernynhel Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 07:02 PM
Response to Original message
72. Don't laugh! Well, OK, laugh but...
Once again the Republican's illustrate not just the depth but the strength of their, as Bill Mahr put it, bench of douche-bags. Rush Limbaugh could very likely be a future president of the United States. There is no limit to the depth of the cesspoolian well from which the Republicans draw their canditatorial water (not borrowed, and you may use it).
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 08:07 PM
Response to Original message
74. Tune out rush
"Every day with out Rush is a good day"
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:13 AM
Response to Original message
84. Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot (tm)
Edited on Sat Mar-07-09 01:15 AM by ProudDad
would be my entry.

I'm sure Al would allow them the rights...


on edit:
Ok, I just did it! It felt good.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. Again, I think making him laughable works . . .
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:25 AM
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89. More with the fat jokes, classy.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 01:51 AM
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90. It was reported today that Limbaugh's audience increased by 5 million since this started...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 09:19 PM
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92. "Rush/Palin - 2012"
How's that?
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