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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 09:56 AM
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Obama gov't will not use 'waterboarding' - Holder
Source: Reuters

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ruled out the use of "waterboarding" as an interrogation technique for terrorism suspects on Monday, calling it a form of torture that the Obama administration could never condone.

"Waterboarding is torture ... My Justice Department will not justify it, will not rationalize it and will not condone it," Holder, who his heading a review of the treatment of terrorism suspects, said in a speech to the Jewish Council of Public Affairs in Washington.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02479125.htm
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:00 AM
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1. What about rendition?
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FudaFuda Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:34 AM
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5. Don't you know?
If the detainee isn't officially in our custody, it didn't happen. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:05 AM
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2. AG Holder, "not condoning it" means you have to "prosecute" it...
...are you going to hold the last administration accountable? Because, if you don't, then you DO condone waterboarding.
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moez Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:11 AM
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3. But will they use loud dogs
or panties on people's heads?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:55 AM
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7. keep people awake for days?. . use stress positions?. .
Sorry Mr. President. You can't deal with this on a "torture by torture" basis.
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moez Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:05 PM
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9. I'm with you, man....
Depending who the panties came from, that could be pretty stressful... not to mention icky...
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:32 AM
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4. How quaint. We're announcing our intention to not commit WAR CRIMES.
Why do we need to do this? Oh right... we've TORTURED people TO DEATH recently.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:48 AM
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6. Obama should have solved everything his first week, nay, his first day in office.
Some Democrats are no different than Republicans in that respect. We tend to think that Obama should do everything we want, when we want it, but not to worry--we have his back. Yeah.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 11:10 AM
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8. updated:Obama govt condemns 'waterboarding' as torture
* Attorney-General Holder says will not condone its use
* Says harsh treatment often does more harm than good
* Holder reviewing treatment of terrorism suspects
(Adds Holder quotes, details)
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02548280.htm

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ruled out the use of "waterboarding" as an interrogation technique for terrorism suspects on Monday, calling it a form of torture that the Obama administration could never condone.

Holder's declaration underscored President Barack Obama's break with the former Bush administration's anti-terrorist policies, which were condemned by human-rights groups, civil liberties advocates and U.S. allies abroad.

"Waterboarding is torture ... My Justice Department will not justify it, will not rationalize it and will not condone it," Holder, who his heading a review of the treatment of terrorism suspects, said in a speech to the Jewish Council of Public Affairs in Washington.

"Too often over the past decade the fight against terrorism has been viewed as a zero-sum battle with our tradition of civil liberties. Not only is that school of thought misguided, I fear that in actuality it has done us more harm than good," Holder said.

"We cannot ask other nations to stand by us in the pursuit of justice if we are not viewed as being in pursuit of that ideal ourselves," he said.

One of the most widely condemned Bush administration practices was waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning, which the CIA has acknowledged using on three terrorism suspects before it said it stopped the practice in 2003.

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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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10. U.S. government condemns "waterboarding" as torture
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ruled out the use of "waterboarding" as an interrogation technique for terrorism suspects on Monday, calling it a form of torture that the Obama administration could never condone.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090302/pl_nm/us_usa_security_waterboarding



Well DUH!
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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11. This is news?
:shrug:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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12. and that means?
He will see to it the tortures are prosecuted?
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ReliantJ Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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13. LOL
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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14. Ah...really? Water-boarding is torture? Whodda thunk it!
Always has been...and there are even laws against it...

Didn't stop the US from torturing people by water-boarding them though

The framing that one administration gets to pretend it isn't torture and another gets to say it is torture and the bullshit lie that somehow it's all a matter of a difference in policy/practice is beyond disgusting.

It sets up the narrative that it all depends on who is in office if water-boarding is torture or not...which is nothing but a lie.

The US government committed war crimes. Water-boarding people is one of the ways the government committed war crimes.

Want to give me something to cheer about....prosecute the fuckers.







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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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15. Yeah...
...we knew this in 1945 when we charged the Japanese with this kind of torture.

We've come a long way, baby....:sarcasm:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:36 PM
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16. Let's hope never condone, nor sweep under the rug, nor leave unpunished
:P
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:49 PM
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17. There a numerous interrogation methods that are permissible
under the US ARMY field manual. Just use those
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:54 PM
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18. Shit. I would like to see Rove waterboarded on PBS
until he confesses to treason.
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