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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:15 PM
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Mississippi Senate passes voter ID bill
Friday, February 20, 2004

Mississippi Senate passes voter ID bill

JACKSON (AP) - Sen. Hob Bryan gave the Mississippi Senate a lesson in free speech before the chamber passed a bill requiring voters to present identification at the polls.

The measure passed 30-18, and now goes to House for consideration.

In previous years, debate over voter identification centered on how the law would be a reminder of the poll taxes and other tactics used to keep blacks from casting ballots in Mississippi. The political issue has divided lawmakers of both parties and races.

None of the black senators voted for the bill Thursday.

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NoMoreRedInk Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:18 PM
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1. Please help me understand the downside to this....
I know that most here probably consider this to be bad, and I'm not saying that it's good, buy my open mind begs to be enlightened.

It seems to me that voter fraud would be much easier to perpetrate if I could vote w/o proving I am who I say I am.
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MadAsHell Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:29 PM
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2. It does have a chilling effect ...
You have to go to some government source, present enough documentation, and get an ID seen as acceptable. Those who work (in particular low income jobs) need to find a way to get time off to do this. The underlying RW-er hope is it will drive down turn-out.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:08 PM
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8. It's almost impossible to survivie in modern society without ID
You need it to get a job, open a bank account, and even to buy a Grayhound Bus ticket.

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:34 PM
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3. Surely the "Justice" Dept will have to approve this.
Scumbag R's.


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JasonDeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:23 PM
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4. The vast majority of "American's" already have 3 forms of ID
Its need to cash checks. Whats wrong with asking them to submit one of them?
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:47 PM
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5. "The vast majority"
I'll accept this assertion, though if all three are not picture ID then the efficacy is questionable.

This is, and is intended to be, an inhibition on voting, which statistically favors R's.

Although partially desirable, the tale is told by the fact that only six other states have this requirement.

This is another ratchet click in the R attempt to eternalize their control once they get it.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:05 PM
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6. Mississippi has a bit of a history, doesn' it?
It appears some people are either unaware of this, or would hope others are unaware:
(snip) Mississippi elections had always been violent as whites tried to prevent blacks from voting, and many courageous blacks and whites who opposed Democratic rule were murdered. To end this violence, a compromise was reached between the planters and their challengers. Blacks would be constitutionally disfranchised and corruption and violence at the polls would stop. A constitutional convention was called to theoretically legally disfranchise all illiterate voters. But everyone knew the real purpose. James Kimble Vardaman, later Governor of the state, boasted of the obvious purpose of the convention. "There is no use to equivocate or lie about the matter. Mississippi's constitutional convention was held for no other purpose than to eliminate the nigger from politics; not the ignorant -- but the nigger." Whites warned blacks not to interfere in the change. Marsh Cook, a white Republican in Jasper County, courageously challenged the Democrats for a seat to the Constitutional Convention in spite of death threats. Cook was ambushed and murdered on a lonely country road -- one of the first whites to be killed after Reconstruction for advocating the black vote, according to his great-great-granddaughter Kitty Cook Hoyt. Isaiah Montgomery, founder of Mound Bayou and the only African American delegate to the convention, had been invited because he was willing to support disfranchisement. Blacks were outraged at Montgomery's speech. They called Montgomery a "traitor" and "Judas" for not challenging disfranchisement. The delegates rewrote the constitution. It required all voters to take a literacy test if they tried to vote.

"On and after the first day of January, A. D. 1892, every elector shall, in addition to the foregoing qualifications, be able to read any section of the constitution of this state; or he shall be able to understand the same when read to him, or give a reasonable interpretation thereof." Power was given to registrars to interpret the test. Since all registrars were white and politically appointed, it was highly unlikely they would allow any black to pass the test on his own merits. The Supreme Court chose to disregard the fact that the new law was aimed at disfranchising blacks. "Besides, the operation of the constitution and laws is not limited by their language or effects to one race. They reach weak and vicious white men as well as weak and vicious black men, and whatever is sinister in their intention, if anything, can be prevented by both races by the exertion of that duty which voluntarily pays taxes and refrains from crime." Once the court gave the Mississippi constitution its blessing, other states adopted the same means to disfranchise blacks. (snip)


(snip) Cut to 1956 Neshoba County, Mississippi. Cornelius Steele, a black landowner was making his 5th attempt to register to vote. First, Mr. Steele had to pass a voting literacy test question. Literacy test questions were particularly loathsome and they made no pretense of fairness. "Test" questions were posed by the white clerk and the potential "negro" voter "passed" at his discretion. They were a flexible tool in the South to disenfranchise the black vote at the all important ballot box. "How many bubbles in a bar of soap?" the laughing poll worker asked Cornelius Steele. In 1955, the clerk almost let him past the roadblocks of a test question: "Tell you what, Cornelius, if I let you register, will you tell them other niggers?" Cornelius said he would. He wasn't registered.

The literacy test did not just exclude voting age black men who could not read. It excluded almost all black men, one, who would go on to receive the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize, and, another, who would have a New York City College named after him. Both, shot and killed.

This most formidable voting barrier, the literacy test, and it's ugly pattern of denial, sent a message to southerners and their conspirators. The message went out to: law enforcement, terrorists (KKK), merchants, paid spies, as well as the legislative, executive and judiciary branches of government. The message, "fight" for the "southern way of life" -- by "any means necessary." Use every tool, local law, state legislation, favorable decisions by judges and juries. Preserve the white power structure by blocking blacks from voting. And, if all else fails, resort to threats, coercions, violence, physical violence. Use rocks, chains, bottles, razors, water hoses, dogs, fire bombs, ropes attached to trees, GUNS.

James Chaney, Michael Schwerner, and Andrew Goodman got in the way of that "southern way of life." In 1964 they ended up under a dam.


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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:08 PM
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7. Exactly, Imperial Amerika is going backwards
And they are reviving Cyber Jim Crow as swiftly as possible!
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sam7 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 07:12 PM
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16. As a Mississippian...
I find your post and that of David__77 extremely uninformed and offensive.

Race relations are as good here or better than any state in the union. We had an ugly past but the same can be said of northerners in regard to the Irish (and Blacks) and of westerners in regard to Mexicans and Native Americans.

Since you like history, remember forced school busing to end segregation? Here in Mississippi it was peacefully protested then finally accepted and we moved on. A year or 2 later in Boston there were Riots and a few children were hurt.

Did you know that the biggest chapter of the KKK is in Skokie IL? Thought not.

Where have most of the race riots been? LA and Detroit come to mind.

Spare me your anti southern Bias. Besides being wrong you're boring. Go sing Neil Young's "Southern Man" and pat yourself on the back.
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JasonDeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 10:27 AM
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14. I for one don't want illegals participating in the Democratic process
Let them become citizens first. I'd rather give those who have done jail time the right returned to vote than worry about some illegals being denied the vote.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 01:03 PM
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15. What illegals?
New York State does not require identification to vote. My signature is on file. Before I vote, I sign my name. The signature matches.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:19 PM
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9. Signature should be sufficient.
This should not be allowed in the deep south.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:17 PM
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10. local right-wing talk show host pushing voter ID in OK
As explained to me by Tulsa Co Dem party representative

...some people do not have a driver's license

...lots of low paying jobs do not have employment picture IDs

I got the impression that at least in OK democrats didn't see a problem with a free photo ID/voter registration card.

The ID requirement apparently contains an implied photo.

As I think about this, retired citizens who can no longer pass a driver's test might have trouble coming up with a picture ID.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:15 PM
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11. it's completely reasonable to require ID
and it should be required of everyone who votes, not just the "first-timers" like in CA. without ID, it's way too easy to cheat.

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WhereIsMyFreedom Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 01:17 AM
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12. Who doesn't have a photo ID
I don't see how someone gets by without a photo ID?

What kind of ID is required for people receiving welfare?
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RowWellandLive Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 01:35 AM
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13. It's a no brainer
some form of ID must be required to vote. It's necessary for just about everything else in this society and needed to ensure only eligible voters participate. Clean elections are mandatory.
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