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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:07 PM
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World's leftists agree it's hard to hate Obama
Source: Reuters

BELEM, Brazil, Jan 28 (Reuters) - With a disparate cast ranging from Roman Catholic nuns to anarchists, there is one thing the 100,000 leftist activists at the World Social Forum in Brazil can agree on -- it's hard to hate Barack Obama.

Former President George W. Bush was a favorite target of vitriolic anti-U.S. protests at previous editions of one of the world's biggest gathering of grassroots groups, whose inaugural meeting coincided with the start of Bush's first term in January 2001.

A week after Democrat Obama's inauguration as U.S. president, the sentiment against Washington at this year's forum in the sweltering Amazon city of Belem was markedly more subdued.

"People just come up and say 'Oh my God, thank you so much' or give you the thumbs up, stuff like that," said Chad Gray, a 28-year-old graduate student from the United States.

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"Certainly this will present a difficulty for the movement," said Altenir Santos of Brazil's Revolutionary Communist Party, who was handing out leaflets and selling hammer-and-sickle T-shirts on the first full day of the forum on Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28531595.htm
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:20 PM
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1. I have to agree n/t
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chusmeria Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:21 PM
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2. That's hilarious
Most of the leftists I know are not happy with Barack and wouldn't be happy with anyone other than maybe Kucinich. Obama will show his fangs in the form of spreading democracy or liberalizing a developing nation with armed forces soon enough, and then the leftists will be angry again.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:04 PM
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4. He won't have enough money to do that. nt
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:23 PM
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3. He is very hard to hate. But of course if you're a repubilcon and you're mentally
trained to believe peace is evil, war is good, etc. It's not so hard to hate a goody goody like Obama.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:29 PM
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5. Hard to believe there are people like Altenir Santos
still promoting a dead and discredited political system like communism. It's been consigned to the dustbin of history... and good riddance.
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monthehoops25 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:37 PM
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6. This is what's scary about Obama
Personally I voted for Obama and thought he was the best choice for this country but the fact is, most people have no idea what his policies are and will fail to criticize him no matter what happens. At least with Bush people werent afraid to be critical of his decisions. It seems that now any Obama criticism is thrown away as Republicans who are sore losers. Partisanship is destroying critical thinking.
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 10:42 PM
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17. Excuse us??? Obama made several decisions
THAT WE DID NOT AGREE, WE CALLED ON HIM!. You might think we are blinded, we are not. We are NOT YOU that supported a failing president, a thieve, a war criminal to the end.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 10:49 PM
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18. Welcome to DU, enjoy your short stay!
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 11:26 PM
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19. Thanks for proving his point..
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:40 PM
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7. Beware of Rotters' corpo/fascist framing.
And also, THINK about Rotters' corpo/fascist framing. They are as much as purring and licking themselves with pleasure that multinationals may finally have a weapon--Barck Obama--with which to disorganize, "divide and conquer," beat up on and smash the Left in South America, which has so utterly confounded the corpo/fascist agenda in that region, with leftist after leftest after leftest government getting elected--in Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay (of all places! --last year), with a center-left government in Brazil very friendly and cooperative with the leftist leaders, and the center-left in Chile allied on some important matters, and further a leftist government elected in Guatemala (first ever), in Nicaragua and one about to be elected in El Salvador (--both of them revolutionary parties that Reagan made war on), Honduras leaning left, and the leftist in Mexico coming within 0.05% in the last election.

This article is obscene in its bias, and just plain weird in its focus--as if not having Bush as an effigy to burn is some sort of vital matter at the World Social Forum. FOOD is a vital matter at the WSF. The Bushwhack Financial 9/11 is a vital matter. Social justice, fairness, boostrapping South America's and the world's vast poor population are vital matters. Real democracy is a vital matter. Grass roots organizing--how all these leftist governments got elected--is a vital matter. Rather than focus on the awesome political organizing done by grass roots groups, or any of these vital, life-and-death issues, Rotters gets all snotty: "Nyeah, nyeah, you don't have Bush to kick around any more! Ha-ha on you communist peons!"

Can't you hear the sneer of power over the world's media--power to create false narratives, power to undermine and destroy democracy and social justice--behind this article, in the cynical board rooms of Rotters, Inc.?

Their World Bank/IMF loan sharks, their "free trade" bullshit, their corrupt, murderous "war on drugs," their fascist coups and all their dirty rotten schemes to bleed the world's poor are failing in South America. Just this last September, the Bushwhack fascist coup in Bolivia failed--as the new South American 'common market' (UNASUR) moved swiftly to back the Morales government (when he threw the U.S. ambassador out of the country, for funding and organizing the attempted coup, which had deteriorated into rioting and random murder of poor peasants). It is this sort of unity that Rotters wants to see the end of, so that its rapacious corporate overlords can re-establish control of South America's resources and economy.

Re-read the article and see if you don't agree. It's a hit piece on the highly successful South American left, and on the people of South America and their choices at the voting booth.

I hope Obama isn't just a pretty face on corporate rule. But Rotters seems to think he will be. That's rather ugly, too--their using Obama in this way, before he has time to evaluate US Latin American policy and make his own decisions about it.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:58 PM
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8. Who cares
if Obama breaks the Leftist movements? If we get a responsibile and responsive, competent center-left progressive government, then we don't NEED the Far Left.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 07:05 PM
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9. Well, I wasn't really talking about us; I was talking about what has gone down in
South America, between the successful leftist movements in so many countries, and the U.S./European financial sharks and multinationals that were bleeding them dry before they started bleeding us. This current (late 20th/early 21st century) round of "shock and awe" economics began in South America before it hit us. Argentina, for instance, went belly up--and others suffered near meltdown, as onerous World Bank/IMF policies (arranged by rightwing governments, to the benefit of the rich, but with no benefit to the poor--just debt) destroyed social programs (education, medical care, pensions), destroyed labor protections, and opened the country's resources to plunder and ruin by outside profiteers. In Bolivia, for instance, the rightwing government sold the water system in one city to Bechtel, which proceeded to increase the cost of water to the poorest of the poor, even charging poor peasants for collecting rainwater! This was the last straw for the poor majority in Bolivia and their leftist leaders. Enter Evo Morales, a union organizer, privatization protester, former small peasant farmer and 100% indigenous indian, who was catapulted by this movement into the presidency. He has just accomplished a miracle--the new Bolivian Constitution, passed last Sunday with 62% of the vote, which not only remedies centuries of slavery and bigotry against the majority indigenous, but also sanctifies the right to water as a basic human right.

Rotters would never tell you this story. They favor Bechtel squeezing the poor of every last peso for a resource that is basic to human life. It is stories like this one, and the grass roots movements and leftist leaders at the heart of them, that the World Social Forum is all about. How does the vast poor majority secure basic human rights and a decent life, with the world run by cruel and powerful profiteers, who are accountable to no one. (We certainly haven't held Bechtel accountable. They are our spawn, these monstrous international looting machines.) So-o-o-o, Rotters seethes with hatred for these successful leftists, and tries to make them loot like silly children deprived of their Bush effigy-burning party, and longs to slit their throats and throw them out of helicopters, as the fascist juntas used to do to uppity peasants, community organizers and decent politicians (leftists).

My point is not anti-Obama. We are a much different country than Bolivia, or Argentina, or Venezuela or even Brazil. I wasn't talking about the left here (--although there were many participants from the U.S. at this World Social Forum*). I was just pointing out Rotters use of Obama, and hopes for Obama--that he will "divide and conquer" the left (that is, the hopes and dreams and hard work of the majority) in South America, and help defeat them, and put fascists back in charge. That is the obscenity of this article.

*As for the Left here, we have our out-of-control war machine to worry about, and our central position as the home base of multinational corporations who have been fucking over the whole world in our name, and now are fucking us over as well. We are where Argentina and these other Latin American countries were ten, fifteen years ago. We've only just begun to have any kind of grass roots movement at all. Our democracy is in tatters. We have much work to do to repair it, and to even get to square one, in dealing with monsters like Bechtel or Exxon Mobil or Halliburton. Hugo Chavez basically kicked Exxon Mobil out of Venezuela, with the support of his people (60% approval rating). We can hardly imagine doing such a thing, let alone how to do it.

Chavez did not nationalize the oil. It was nationalized long before Chavez, as it is in many other countries. What he did was to re-negotiate the contracts with the oil multinationals to get a better deal for Venezuela and its social programs. And Exxon Mobil, alone among the multinationals, refused to dicker. They were expecting Bush-Cheney to assassinate Chavez and overthrow the elected government. Why should they have to negotiate with that peasant? Well, that didn't work--because the Venezuelan people have created such sturdy democratic institutions and grass roots organization, and Chavez was able to say "Adios!" to Exxon Mobil.

I don't think that's possible here--yet. We are so used to being ruled by illegitimate entities like Exxon Mobile, who now even hijack our military for their corporate resource wars, and run our elections with 'TRADE SECRET' code in all the voting machines, that we have much work to do, to educate ourselves and others, and to restore the democratic strength needed to elect a president like that. And Obama has so much work to do, just to get the basic rule of law re-established, and try to mitigate this economic horror, that I don't think we can expect him to be FDR. ("Organized money hates me--and I welcome their hatred!"--FDR.) It is too dangerous--for him, and for us. Diebold & brethren, and the "military-industrial complex," and the corpo/fascist media, have too much power. We need to pull together and try to restore order--and work together to throw off these wretched corporate rulers, as so many of the South American peoples have done.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:28 PM
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10. The top of the Pyramid
Yes, it's all Ponzi-scheme. But taking wide enough perspective, what do you see when the rich make class war against poor? Yup, the top of the Pyramid trying to eat and destroy and dissolve the base of the Pyramid... not exactly smart, hmm, even for the point of view of self-preservation of the top of the Pyramid... :)
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:22 PM
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12. "Who cares if Obama breaks the leftist movements?"
Are you serious?!
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:40 PM
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11. I hope people don't think it's time to relax.
Now is the time where demonstrating and speaking out might actually work
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:24 PM
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13. "Certainly this will present a difficulty for the movement,"
....to be expected....

....I spent most of my working life in Union environments....you soon realize that if you're truly progressive, you will have to fight your Union too....

....there are people in Left-Wing movements that will wave flags and war-monger with the best of neocons....reactionary forces are everywhere; they're in every institution....and so it is with our Democratic Party....

....Obama is just one man surrounded by reactionary forces....how and where he chooses to 'govern' is only partially up to him....our struggle is greater than an individual or an individual institution....our struggle is the struggle of mankind trying to free itself from the yoke of economic and political tyranny....

....Obama may or may not disappoint us, time will tell....but from his beginning, the Far-Left has made Obama possible....and the Far-Left can make his presidency impossible....our struggle is with the forces of reaction whenever or wherever we find them....
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:27 PM
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14. One does not have to hate Obama to disagree with him
nor to petition his administration with one's own agenda.

What a craptastic article. :thumbsdown:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 10:34 PM
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15. Leftist groups meeting in Brazil call for Amazon protection
... Just outside Belem, some 2,000 indigenous people held a ritual of fire, water and offerings to Mother Earth in tribute to the Amazon rainforest.

One umbrella group representing 180 environmental organizations around the world, Climate Justice Now, urged WSF participants to pressure their governments towards sustainable development.

"The history of environmental negotiations shows us that we can't leave the search for a solution only in the hands of the UN, which the big political and economic powers push around," Nicola Bullard, a representative of the Thailand-based Focus on the Global South, told AFP.

Greenpeace said its aim during the forums was to build consensus of having zero deforestation in the Amazon by 2015, a spokeswoman, Rebeca Lerer, said ...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hnTIjXLrCZZjgWJptM0jvu5sWjdw
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 10:36 PM
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16. World Social Forum: Trade Unions Call for a New Growth Model
... “We are here to exchange our views with civil society,” comments Mamounata Cissé, ITUC assistant general secretary. "Together, we must prove capable of formulating proposals to change the current paradigm of economic growth. We want to see an economic model based on redistribution, respect for the environment and fair relations between rich and poor countries."

On the fringe of the WSF, the ITUC, ITUC-CSA (Trade Union Confederation of the Americas) and the Brazilian trade union organisations CUT, FS and UGT are organising a World Trade Union Forum, which will open on Wednesday 28 in the afternoon and close on Friday 30 January. It will be open to all the organisations and movements present in Belem. The WSF is being held at the Federal University of Para, on the bank of the Amazon River. The Trade Union Forum will be held in the WSF's "World of Work space" and will address the following themes: climate change and sustainable development; the triple crisis; the impact of migration on development; trade union rights; trade and decent work.

The Decent Work Alliance, led by the ITUC, the ETUC, Solidar, the Global Progressive Forum and Social Alert, will also be organising events during the WSF on the following themes: a new financial architecture to ensure decent work; a global welfare state; and the decent work, decent life campaign.

The ITUC underlines that without a social dimension, globalisation has forced workers from the North and South to compete with each other to attract multinationals and private equity funds whose profits were constantly soaring until the onset of the current credit crisis ...

http://www.uniglobalunion.org/UNIInDep.nsf/0/7E2FB8A39F9B19C8C125754C0046D739?OpenDocument
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