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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:53 PM
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Recruiting stand-down ordered
Source: Army Times



Assessment of Recruiting Command ordered
Geren order comes after investigation of suicides



Recruiting stand-down ordered
By Michelle Tan - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Jan 27, 2009 10:17:04 EST

Army Secretary Pete Geren has ordered a stand-down of the Army’s entire recruiting force and a review of almost every aspect of the job is underway in the wake of a wide-ranging investigation of four suicides in the Houston Recruiting Battalion.

Poor command climate, failing personal relationships and long, stressful work days were factors in the suicides, the investigation found. The investigating officer noted a “threatening” environment in the battalion and that leaders may have tried to influence statements from witnesses.

“There were some things found that are disturbing,” said Brig. Gen. Del Turner, deputy commanding general for Accessions Command and the officer who conducted the investigation.

While he declined to discuss what action might be taken, Turner has recommended disciplinary action against battalion- and brigade-level commanders. He declined to discuss what action might be taken.

Read more: http://armytimes.com/news/2009/01/army_recruiting_suicides_012709/
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:56 PM
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1. They make the military so unpalatable that nobody will join. Then they punish the recruiters for
failing to sign up more cannon fodder. It's completely ridiculous. bush and cheney totally f*cked our military.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:00 PM
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2. My younger brother was a Marine recruiting Sergeant
He told me about the stress and the pressure put on them to make the quotas.

He's dead now; heart attack at age 40.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:48 PM
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3. I am so sorry, Xipe Totec. What a tragedy for your whole family. n/t
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:18 PM
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6. Thank you for your thoughts
I didn't mean to derail the thread, I just wanted to add a personal perspective to this problem.

regards,

- XT

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:48 PM
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4. i'm so sorry to hear that
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:56 PM
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5. I am sorry as well.
One of my brothers committed suicide shortly after leaving the service.
It is painful.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:37 PM
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8. Earcandle, there have been so many uncounted victims of this terrible war,
your brother and family among them.

My deepest sympathy to you as well.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:53 PM
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14. That is to young to die of a heart attack from stress
My condolences to you and your family.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:42 PM
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15. At least it was quick
Thank you for your thoughts.

Let's see if we can save some of the ones that are still living.

:hi:


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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:22 PM
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21. That's terrible. I am sorry to hear of your loss.
That is way too young to go.

:hug:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:35 PM
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20. Which pushes those recruiters to outrageously lie about
what their recruits are actually getting into.
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sarah FAILIN Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:33 PM
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7. The link is gone
Maybe it's one of those things they don't want us to know about. Very sad situations I'm sure.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:47 PM
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10. It's still there...went to the main news page and there is a link
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eringer Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:39 PM
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9. Pete Geren? Doesn't Anyone Remember Abu Ghraib???
What is he still doing in the bowels of the Pentagon? The Obama people must have missed that he is one of the folks that got us in the mess we are in right now (torture, Iraq, etc.). I guess that they didn't do a thorough enough check on him. If they did, they surely would have found that he was Rummie's "Special Assistant." Need I go further? He really needs to go and this looks like a good reason to give him the boot. And I not the only one that thinks this way....

The following is from Thinkbridge.blogspot.com:

Saturday, December 13, 2008
Don't Keep Preston Geren As Army Sec'y, Barack!
Preston "Pete" Geren may possibly be kept on by Pres-Elect Obama as Secretary of the Army. This would be a complete disaster, as Geren was a promoter of using the Army as DOD-funded "missionary soldiers" - yes, that's right! Goodbye, Separation of Church/State as we had to say goodbye to separation of powers, separation of govt branches, and other constitutional amenities. As this article shows,


In 2004, Geren participated in the infamous Pentagon Christian Embassy video, a promotional video filmed inside the Pentagon that, at the request of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), led to an investigation by the Department of Defense Inspector General. In July 2007, the IG issued a 45-page report finding seven officers, including four generals, guilty of violating a number of DoD ethics regulations. But, because of the IG's narrow choice of which regulations to focus on, the civilian DoD officials who appeared in the video, including then Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense Geren, got off scot free.


It's his ties to the CCC (see below) that are particularly alarming:

The Christian Embassy endorsed by Secretary Geren in the video is an arm of Campus Crusade for Christ (CCC), a fundamentalist Christian organization whose far reaching Military Ministry has become entrenched in every part of the military. Geren, who was a Congressman from Texas from 1989 to 1997, first became involved with Christian Embassy through their Capitol Hill branch. He continued this relationship when he came to the Pentagon in 2001, joining the organization's Senior Executive Fellowship. To understand why having a Secretary of the Army with long time ties to any part of this organization is of such great concern, here are a few examples showing what the goals of CCC are for our military.


And what are the CCC's goals?


"Responsibilities include working with Chaplains and Military personnel to bring lost soldiers closer to Christ, build them in their faith and send them out into the world as government paid missionaries."

and

A former CCC program director at the Air Force Academy, Scott Blum, said in a promotional video filmed at the Academy, CCC's purpose is to "make Jesus Christ the issue at the Academy" and for the cadets to be "government paid missionaries" by the time they leave.


According to MRFF (Military Religious Freedom Foundation) founder and president Mikey Weinstein,

In July of 2005, the Air Force's Deputy Chief of the Chaplains Corps, Brig. Gen. Cecil R. Richardson, boldly asserted in a front page story in the New York Times that the Air Force's official policy would continue to be to reserve its right 'to evangelize the unchurched.' I immediately registered my shock, telephonically, directly with Acting USAF Secretary Geren. Further, I demanded that the Air Force immediately retract this completely unconstitutional religious policy statement of evangelical Christian supremacy, which must have been vetted beforehand, as it had appeared in the New York Times -- the one newspaper most despised by the Pentagon.

Geren and I spoke several times on the phone over the next several weeks.
What disturbed me the most was that he was absolutely clueless as to the constitutional illegality of his service's ignominious declaration/intention of evangelizing the unchurched.


This is an ominous precedent that does not bode well for people of other non-Christian religious persuasions, such as Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or atheists. But it also does not bode well with the tone and character of how wars themselves are conducted, notably the Global War on Terror. It really DOES fulfill the extremists' charge that this war is a war on Islam itself, not a war against terrorism per se as a method of battling perceived injustice, etc.


Another area of concern are the indications that Geren, like many who subscribe to the views of organizations such as CCC, may see the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as a religious struggle, and that our own religious freedom here in America is somehow dependent on victory in these Muslim countries.


Is this what America is all about? Promoting religious war? Are we federally-funding a crusade? Are non-Christian military men and women being pressured to "convert" in order to form "God's army"? If that's not Obama's vision of America, then it's time


to weed out those DoD officials who have been complicit in promoting or endorsing what has in recent years evolved into a full-fledged constitutionally prohibited religious test for countless members of our armed forces.


Starting with Preston Geren

AND HERE IS MORE!!!!

POGO Part II, "Duncan Hunter's Brand of Congressional Oversight." The shorter version: Hunter (R-CA), chairman of the House armed services committee and a member of the defense appropriations subcommittee, co-owns a Virginia property with a top Rumsfeld aide (now undersecretary of the Army) until recently charged with Congressional liaison activities, including, as a source tells Pogo, "keeping Congress off Rumsfeld's back." And Hunter's top corporate campaign donor is a firm implicated in the Abu Ghraib abuses -- abuses Hunter vehemently urged not be investigated by Congress:

... Almost exactly a year ago, the Associated Press did a nice roundup of House leadership financial disclosure statements. Among the highlights for Hunter was his co-ownership of a rural Virginia cabin with “former Democratic U.S. Rep. Pete Geren of Texas.” <...>

Preston M. “Pete” Geren III, however, is not your average former Congressman. <...> Between 2001-2005, Geren occupied an office "strategically next door" to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, whom he served as a special assistant responsible for "inter-agency initiatives, legislative affairs, and special projects." <...>

A less-charitable description of Geren’s Abu Ghraib duties, according to a knowledgeable congressional source, was “keeping Congress off Rumsfeld’s back”. Indeed, much to the Pentagon’s consternation, Senate Armed Services Committee chairman John Warner's (R-VA) was actually moved to investigate Abu Ghraib and hold multiple hearings on the matter. Not so with Geren's real estate partner, the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Consistently dismissive of interrogation and detention excesses as isolated incidents, Hunter actively discouraged Congressional investigation into Abu Ghraib.

Absent from national press coverage of Hunter's antipathy towards Abu Ghraib investigations, however, was the fact that Hunter's top corporate campaign contributor, San Diego-based defense contractor Titan Corporation, potentially had a lot to lose in the scandal. <...>


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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:55 PM
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11. It's great to have a "straight arrow" in that job, finally remedying that tragic
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 08:00 PM by Joe Chi Minh
mismanagement. However, this concept of quotas seems very inappropriate indeed to me.

Servicemen don't join the forces to become salesmen, working to quotas, practicably imponderable, in any case. Furthermore, who do you think youngsters would be apt to respond to more positively? A stressed-out, intense and clearly unhappy man? Or a "Dude" Lebowski type? Walter was the vet, but I don't see him as a persuasive recruiter - and he was a guy with a marked preference for putting stresses on others!
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:01 PM
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12. I wonder how much of the stress comes from convincing people to sign up for potential death...
I know it would cause me unbearable stress. I've heard of incidences where they were forced to sugar coat and put a happy face on the military experience. Assumably they had to, it was their job. But that had to take a mental toll on them.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:14 PM
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13. Perhaps the thought of subjecting innocent Citizens to the horrors of War
By convincing them to sign a contract that basically assigns ownership of their lives to the Government War machine that is nothing more than a for profit Corporation for the fat cats becomes too much to bear for the recruiters that actually have a vestigial conscience. Maybe the knowledge that they were forced to take the experimental drug Cipro which caused many serious side effects could alter ther perception of the job they are doing for good old Uncle Sam. Perhaps it's the visions they have of their associates out in the Civilian world, destitute and without assistance from the Military they risked their lives for. Or maybe it's the realization you risked your life for a War that never should have been...

The horrors war cannot be glossed over entirely by Nationalistic Pride, especially while you watch your own Constitutional rights being eroded, such as being forced to participate in group Religious gatherings arranged by the Military. Or perhaps the thought that every conversation you make on the phone is recorded and stored somewhere, but when you go for your VA Benefits your documents are nowhere to be found, or they burned up in some warehouse years ago while being stored in a cardboard box.

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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:47 PM
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16. No, it's about letting your brothers down
It's about failing your mission.

Soldiers do not see war the same way.

The stress is not over the fate of the recruits, sad to say, it's about the fate of the service, if they don't get fresh blood.

Recruiters see their job as a military mission.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:06 PM
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17. Take out the promotion/demotion clause out of recruiting numbers
and the job would likely become alot less stressful.

Military recruiters are obligated by the DoD to enlist monthly quotas, often by illegal means.

However from the recruiters' standpoint their very livelihood is on the line. Their quotas directly relate to career promotions/demotions; which directly lead to changes in pay grade.

This doesn't make it right, however.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 03:12 PM
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18. I'm sure thousands and thousands of Army recruiters are going to celebrate
this decision and breath with a sigh of relief. Those guys deserve a break from this insane mission.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 03:37 PM
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19. Obligatory Army Times Link Correction: Add a / to the end of the URL (nt)
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