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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:09 PM
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Franken presents affidavits from 62 with rejected ballots
Source: Star Tribune

On the eve of a key State Canvassing Board meeting on the U.S. Senate race, Democrat Al Franken presented affidavits today from 62 Minnesotans who said their absentee ballots were improperly rejected.

With Franken behind in the official Senate recount, the affidavits were the latest attempt by the campaign to increase the pressure on the board to count absentee ballots that were improperly rejected. The affidavits followed the release of a web video Wednesday by the campaign that portrayed the stories of seven Minnesotans whose ballots were improperly rejected. A campaign spokesman said the video had been viewed more than 13,000 times on YouTube in less than 24 hours.

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Republican supporters for U.S. Senator Norm Coleman have criticized the video, saying it was "a new low" and was a "shameless exploitation of individual Minnesotans in order to further their political agenda."

"It's acceptable that errors are made," Marc Elias, the lead recount attorney for Franken, said of the improperly rejected ballots. "It is not acceptable that that when an error is made the burden of that error falls only on the voter."



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Does it not say a lot that the Coleman campaign considers voters asking to have their votes counted to be a "new low"? Sorry Coleman, but arguing for the disenfranchisement of voters based on clerical errors is what is truly low.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:16 PM
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1. Franken has his act together
I love his preparedness in getting the law on his side. He's no hand-wringer.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:57 PM
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6. and that is what puts some folks off
When he had his show on AA anyone who started to whine about the vote but had not bothered to do their homework and just started blasting at anyone Al would cut-off. So to the ones who figured all they had to do was spout a few catch phrases and get patted on the head like Randy Rhodes does or Ed Schultz (to a much lesser extent) suddenly had to specify and detail what they were talking about. very frustrating to the passion-filled info-lacking types...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:50 PM
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22. Funny. I don't remember it that way. Al never gave election reform
the time of day, facts or no facts.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:54 PM
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9. the youtube video ...
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 03:29 PM
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33. update
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:19 PM
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2. thanks. k&r
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:26 PM
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3. Al Franken is a good man
and Norn Coleman is a snake . Paul Wellstones senate seat deserves better than Norn Coleman
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:49 PM
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17. "Paul Wellstone's Senate Seat Deserves Better Than norm coleman"
Exactly.:patriot:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:35 PM
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4. Coleman calls it a new low
Yes indeedy; voters expecting their votes to be tabulated and added to the total for the candidate of their choice is such a dastardly, despicable act! It's a new low. These people should be shipped off to Guantanamo and vigorously waterboarded, right Norm?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:45 PM
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5. K&R for Al! I wish that other Dems would have fought
half as hard as Al has.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:11 PM
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7. He is doing great.
Not a surprise to me after reading one of his books as he is no slouch on research. Minnesotans would be lucky to have him as their Senator.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 09:28 AM
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29. Wish we had someone like him in Mississippi. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:56 PM
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23. His campaign is doing a WONDERFUL job. n/t
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:35 PM
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8. GO GO AL! We're for YOU! Win it!
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:58 PM
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10. LOL..."political agenda". Right. They don't want you Senator.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:07 PM
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11. "Coleman calls voters who want their votes counted 'new low.'"
Coleman is losing the battle on all fronts.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:25 PM
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12. I can't believe they don't track down the voters and have them review their ballots ...
...if they have a question. Granted, some of them are out to lunch...."Mickey Mouse", etc; but many have simple questions that could be answered by having them revote. What am I missing here? They could do this ...or attempt to do it for EVERY ONE of the ballots in question.
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paulkienitz Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:53 PM
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14. once you take the ballot out of its envelope, it's anonymous...
They probably can't attach the rejected ballots to their senders anymore. Nor should they be able to, since it's supposed to be a secret ballot.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:01 PM
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18. The rejected absentee ballots have not been opened so they are still attached...
.....to the voter's name and info. In other words, there is an envelope within an envelope. The ballot is rejected based on information on the exterior envelope.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:52 AM
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28. "Mickey Mouse" may REGISTER to vote, but he never shows up at the polls to try to vote.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 03:12 PM
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32. I saw a guy on T.V. whose surname is Duck and his oh-so-clever parents named him Donald
This was in a report during the ACORN flap and an explanation of why the law requires that all voter registration cards be turned in. It cannot be left the person doing the registering to decide if a card is a fake.

This poor guy says he has had problems all his life, I suppose he should be thankful his parents didn't name him Daffy.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 04:25 PM
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34. This poor guy says he has had problems all his life,
So, He can change his name. I'd damn well have done so as soon as law and age permitted. And screw the parents who named their child thus.

I mean....it's like that Eddie Izzard sketch about the Humperdincks: "What shall we name our child so he won't get the shit kicked out of him at school?" (funny though...Izzard doesn't seem to know about the 19th century Wagnerian composer Engelbert Humperdinck)
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 04:41 PM
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35. It can cost quite a bit to get your name legally changed
not to mention all the fun of having to change everything with your name on it.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:26 PM
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13. Remeber how Al drove us crazy when he ignored the stolen election dilema?
Karma Al!
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:05 PM
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15. WTF
Al didn't ignore anything related to that election. It's hard to go against the SC.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:59 PM
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19. I believe babsbunny is talking about the stolen election of 2004.
Franken (whom I happen to like immensely) was in the wrong when he dismissed out of hand the patent evidence of malfeasance in Ohio. Unfortunately, while Thom Hartmann was interviewing Robert Kennedy, Jr. (among others) about the particulars of the election theft, Franken refused to investigate the matter in any depth, preferring instead to devote just enough time to the issue to shrug off Kerry's "loss" to Bush. How'd that work out?

Karma indeed.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:27 PM
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25. Stubborn
This is up there with George W. Bush and his inability to let go of his hatred for Saddam because of the planned attack on his daddy. Get over it and move on. Let's act like big boys now.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:20 PM
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16. It's exploitation to demand people have their votes counted?
unfuckingbelievable

Republicans can burn in hell.


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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:15 PM
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20. e x c e l l e n t.... A new high for for Franken
fight these bastards everywhere, on the battle field, in our streets, and in our homes and even the rocks they crawl under.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:42 PM
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21. Word, And
Kick:kick:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:27 PM
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24. "Shameless exploitation" to let the public know that people's absentee ballots are being improperly
rejected? What? Franken is exposing a flaw in our system and giving these people a VOICE!

Exploitation means using someone to make money... how is Franken making money off this? IT COSTS HIM MONEY! He's helping these people get heard and helping their votes count... how is that exploitation?

Coleman is out of his mind not to stand up and applaud Franken's efforts to have every vote count. He looks like he wants to suppress voters and label these lost votes as insignificant! Doesn't he realize how that comes across to voters? Everyone wants their vote to count, even those who voted for Coleman! He's an idiot!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:42 AM
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26. Don't forget this video:
It hits the nail right on the head...:banghead:

New Video from Franken Camp: "My Vote"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=248894
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:45 AM
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27. Minnesota law is based upon intent of the voter. What better evidence is there of the voter's
intent than the sworn statement of the voter? GO Al!
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 01:51 PM
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30. Does one still believe so firmly that Franken will absolutely win as written a few day ago?
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 01:57 PM by LaPera
I now read plenty of doubt in between the lines.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 01:58 PM
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31. I feel better today than I did last night...
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 02:01 PM by MN Against Bush
I have said in another post that the challenges are not looking as good for Franken as I initially thought, although I am still confident he will make net gains with those challenges. With the lost ballots from Minneapolis being counted, and the rejected absentees now being looked at as well however his chances are still very good. I am not as confident as I was a few days ago, but still confident.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 08:55 PM
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36. Pushing for disenfranchisement is, quite frankly, un-American. (nt)
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:30 AM
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37. Pushing for for every vote cast is quite Americana and very much proper!
We've seen far too many legal votes tossed in the trashcan, voters who's votes are never counted....the republican way...should we ignore your vote as well...who else'?

Count EVERY vote.... including provisionals if they are legal and indeed they always are 99.9% of the time....so let's count them all.
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