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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:33 PM
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Russians to drill for oil in Cuba waters
Source: Associated Press

Russians to drill for oil in Cuba waters

Published Monday, November 24, 2008
HAVANA (AP) - Russian oil companies could soon begin searching for oil in deep Gulf of Mexico waters off Cuba, a top diplomat said just days before Russian President Dmitry Medvedev visits the island.

Russian oil companies have "concrete projects" for drilling in Cuba’s part of the gulf, said Mijail Kamynin, Russia’s ambassador to Cuba, to the state-run business magazine Opciones.

Kamynin also said Russian companies would like to help build storage tanks for crude oil and to modernize Cuban pipelines, as well as play a role in Venezuelan efforts to refurbish a Soviet-era refinery in the port city of Cienfuegos, according the article published this weekend.

Medvedev comes to former Cold War ally Cuba on Thursday, part of a tour of Latin America to strengthen his country’s economic and political ties in the region.

Washington’s nearly 50-year-old trade embargo prohibits U.S. companies from investing on the island. But Cuba’s state-run oil concern has signed joint operating agreements with companies from several countries to explore waters that Cuban scientists claim could contain reserves of up to 20 billion barrels of oil.



Read more: http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Nov/20081124News005.asp
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:35 PM
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1.  The Cuban Oil Crisis will be Obama's first test.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:07 PM
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6. What " Cuban Oil Crisis" Why do we care who helps Cuba get their oil?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:30 PM
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12. We don't care, but you can bet Exxon-Mobil, Chevron-Texaco, etc. care.
Cuba used to be Corporate America's casino and playpen for the filthy rich. It was the Bahamas before the Bahamas became a save haven for corporate types looking to stash money.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:42 PM
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15. You bet, but they had a seamier image there, for some reason!
It used to be called the "Whorehouse of the Caribbean." I've seen that repeated even in a couple of British documentaries, as well has having heard, and read it.

Here's a site which contains articles written in the 1950's for American tourists' "enlightenment" about what to expect if they were going to Cuba. The U.S. Navy used to go there for R & R, as well.

A poster who contributed to the old CNN US-Cuba Policy message board found this one, shared it, and we all laughed ourself senseless, but it would show, after second thought, some people were being dreadfully exploited.

"HAVANA

The sexiest city in the world -- that's what Havana has been termed by world travelers. In the shadow of the presidential palace, in the capital's narrow ancient streets, there is indeed the open practice of the world's oldest profession. But sex in Havana is not cheap and tawdry. Sex is rather in the beat of city life, in the tropical scent of this vast metropolis, in the cosmopolitan outlook of its people. For Havana is a woman, and fickle female that she is, must be entertained. And so cabaret life is rich and exciting, different from anything found in the U.S. It has a rhythm and gaiety all its own -- all but an hour by plane from Miami.
"

Articles, with links:

Cuban Gambling Casinos & The Mafia

NIGHTLIFE

SIN - With a Rhumba Beat -- Prostitution, Politics, Gambling.. Cuba 1950
Havana's Favorite Drink -- The Daiquiri
Havana is a Man's Town 1955
Cabaret's Guide to Havana night clubs and cabarets 1956
Guide to After-Dark Havana night clubs, bars...1956
Havana Nightlife Guide 1956
Havana's Tropicana Is Most Beautiful Club 1956
Havana Night Life by Jay Mallin ca 1956 unpublished work
Havana's Sans Souci Night Club 1957
World's Rawest Burlesque Show by Jay Mallin ..
Havana's Shanghai Theater 1957


MUSIC
Cuba's Tin Pan Alley 1947 Havana's shabbiest cabarets and voodoo lodges

GAMBLING - CASINOS

American Gambling Interests In Cuba 1959

HAVANA - Nightlife - Gambling by Jay Mallin ..
Cuba's Capones -- Top dogs in Batista's casinos

http://cuban-exile.com/menu1/%21entertain.html

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:44 PM
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16. You bet, but they had a seamier image there, for some reason!
It used to be called the "Whorehouse of the Caribbean." I've seen that repeated even in a couple of British documentaries, as well has having heard, and read it.

Here's a site which contains articles written in the 1950's for American tourists' "enlightenment" about what to expect if they were going to Cuba. The U.S. Navy used to go there for R & R, as well.

A poster who contributed to the old CNN US-Cuba Policy message board found this one, shared it, and we all laughed ourself senseless, but it would show, after second thought, some people were being dreadfully exploited.

"HAVANA

The sexiest city in the world -- that's what Havana has been termed by world travelers. In the shadow of the presidential palace, in the capital's narrow ancient streets, there is indeed the open practice of the world's oldest profession. But sex in Havana is not cheap and tawdry. Sex is rather in the beat of city life, in the tropical scent of this vast metropolis, in the cosmopolitan outlook of its people. For Havana is a woman, and fickle female that she is, must be entertained. And so cabaret life is rich and exciting, different from anything found in the U.S. It has a rhythm and gaiety all its own -- all but an hour by plane from Miami.
"

Articles, with links:

Cuban Gambling Casinos & The Mafia

NIGHTLIFE

SIN - With a Rhumba Beat -- Prostitution, Politics, Gambling.. Cuba 1950
Havana's Favorite Drink -- The Daiquiri
Havana is a Man's Town 1955
Cabaret's Guide to Havana night clubs and cabarets 1956
Guide to After-Dark Havana night clubs, bars...1956
Havana Nightlife Guide 1956
Havana's Tropicana Is Most Beautiful Club 1956
Havana Night Life by Jay Mallin ca 1956 unpublished work
Havana's Sans Souci Night Club 1957
World's Rawest Burlesque Show by Jay Mallin ..
Havana's Shanghai Theater 1957


MUSIC
Cuba's Tin Pan Alley 1947 Havana's shabbiest cabarets and voodoo lodges

GAMBLING - CASINOS

American Gambling Interests In Cuba 1959

HAVANA - Nightlife - Gambling by Jay Mallin ..
Cuba's Capones -- Top dogs in Batista's casinos

http://cuban-exile.com/menu1/%21entertain.html

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:12 PM
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19. Perhaps you should find out what Cuban hero Jose Marti had to say about Marx and the US
When Karl Marx died in March of 1883, a memorial meeting was held for him (sponsored by the Central Labor Union) at the Great Hall of New York's Cooper Union.

One of the distinguished speakers was Jose Marti, who referred to Karl Marx as ''a man driven by a burning desire to do good'' who ''saw in everyone what he carried in himself: rebellion, highest ideals, struggle.''

The President should feel some awkwardness in embracing Marti as a hero while rejecting Marx as a villain.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A02E2D81438F935A3575AC0A964948260

Marti had become quite agitated after the US annexed the Philippines by force. Marti feared that the US would do the same to Cuba, preventing Cubans from being truly free and independent.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:37 PM
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2. Don't make any bets on them drilling any time soon. - n/t
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:41 PM
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3. Oil price would have to double for that to happen.
Gee, that could take as long as................3 months.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:55 PM
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5. Uh, no... if the current drop is, indeed, demand based,
it's not coming back anytime soon. At least a year or more.

And, given that most of the price was due to a speculation bubble... it might take longer than that.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 04:49 PM
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4. This was hype a few months ago too
Oh we have to drill in the Caribbean before the Russians get to the oil. All hype to get the offshore drilling.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:10 PM
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7. Cuba has oil?
Attack!
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Oerdin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:37 PM
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8. If Cuba starts drilling.
Then Drainage will become a big problem for the US. There is only so much oil down there and it's going to come out whither we drill it or they drill it so why not beat them to the punch and get the oil first? Other wise they could drain that section dry without the US getting a penny.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 10:27 AM
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24. There is sometimes a very fine line between sarcasm and stupidity.
Just thought I'd mention it ... :hi:
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:51 PM
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9. The Headline is certain, while the report is all "maybe's".
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:24 PM
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10. Our view on foreign policy: Missing the boat on Cuba
Our view on foreign policy: Missing the boat on Cuba
Five-decade trade embargo fails; it’s time to ease restrictions.

Flash back to the time another 40-something new president, John F. Kennedy, symbolized hope and change. Within months, Kennedy was tested by the Soviet Union. Its leader, Nikita Khrushchev, tried to station nuclear missiles on the territory of Cuba, within range of the nearby U.S., and brought the world to the brink of war.

Now, consider this. In yet another sign that Russia is in Cold War revival mode, President Dmitri Medvedev made a big public display this month of a desire to revive close ties with the island. "Relations … are developing very dynamically," Medvedev said as he announced that Cuban President Raul Castro is to visit Russia next year.

Reviving the old, full-scale Cold War is, of course, out of the question. The world is no longer carved into capitalist and communist camps, leaving Medvedev's Cuba policy a pale blast from the past. That means the incoming Obama administration can focus on more pressing issues, from the economic crisis to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even so, one quick move makes sense and was suggested by Obama on the campaign trail: lifting restrictions that President Bush imposed on family visits to the island by Cuban Americans and on the remittances they could send to relatives.

Another good idea is to end harsh punishment of Americans who circumvent U.S. travel restrictions to Cuba. That would simply return U.S.-Cuba relations to where they were eight years ago when the U.S. trade embargo on Cuba was gradually eroding. Through a variety of loopholes, U.S. citizens were increasingly visiting the island, and trade was gathering pace, eroding the five-decade-old trade embargo.

More:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/11/our-view-on-for.html
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:37 PM
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13. if it's wrong for us to drill off our coasts
is it wrong for the Cubans to drill off their coast? Why or why not?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:08 PM
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18. Cuba is a sovereign nation. She can do what she pleases.
The US has done everything it could to make Cuba's socialist revolution fail, all to no avail. The new oil revenues will allow Cuba to raise its standard of living regardless of whatthey US does.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:07 AM
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21. if they're drilling one one side of the line, what possible reason would
there be for us not to drill on our side of the line?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:47 PM
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25. May be because we have other options?
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:39 AM
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22. Gee, you are missing some very important info here
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 07:40 AM by TheLastMohican
Soviet missiles on Cuba appeared as a response to US missiles in Turkey.

Here again, US is messing around with Georgia and Ukraine and uses Black Sea for warships which bring toilet paper and maybe put a few spying beacons on the Russian Black Sea fleet in the process.
And yet, in this blog Russia is reviving the Cold War again.

What about the ABM shield which makes a nuke 4 minutes off the city of Moscow? Huh, who is reviving the Cold War here?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:09 AM
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23. They also were useful in showing a defense against future Cuban vulnerability to another invasion,
like the previous Bay of Pigs debacle, which had been planned prior to the Kennedy administration, by Dwight D. Eisenhower, who had already sent Cuban "exiles" to train in Guatemala for that invasion.

After the Bay of Pigs attack, Cuba needed something stronger to inhibit the chance it would happen all over again. When the missiles were removed, a condition was accepted that this country would never launch a direct attack on Cuba again, although there have been numerous raids on Cuba by Cuban "exile" reactionariess, resulting in deaths, kidnappings, bombings, poisoning crops, livestocks, etc., etc. since then.

By the way, I didn't write that article. I posted it.

Have been aware of the missiles which had been put in place threatening the USSR from Turkey for decades.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:11 PM
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27. Care to post some links for that theory?
I have heard from semi reliable sources that the JFK assassination was directly linked to the Bay of Pigs invasion. JFK had promised the mob that he would give them Cuba for their assistance in getting elected. After that failed.....
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 05:09 PM
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28. Not clear to what you're referring as a "theory," since it's all been known for a very long time.
If you're unaware Eisenhower trained people for the invasion in Guatemala, well BEFORE Kennedy, you haven't done any reading on the subject. Here's a quick google grab, with far, far more to back it up:
Vice President Richard Nixon was devoted to the idea of opposing Castro as early as April 1959, when Castro visited the U.S. as a guest of the American Society of Newspaper Editors. "If he's not a communist," said Nixon, "he certainly acts like one." On March 17 1960, President Eisenhower approved a CIA plan titled "A Program of Covert Action against the Castro Regime."

The plan included: 1) the creation of a responsible and unified Cuban opposition to the Castro regime located outside of Cuba, 2) the development of a means for mass communication to the Cuban people as part of a powerful propaganda offensive, 3) the creation and development of a covert intelligence and action organization within Cuba which would respond to the orders and directions of the exile opposition, and 4) the development of a paramilitary force outside of Cuba for future guerrilla action. These goals were to be achieved "in such a manner as to avoid the appearance of U.S. intervention."

In a meeting at the White House on January 3 1961, described by Richard Bissell, CIA Director of Plans, in his book Memoirs of a Cold Warrior: from Yalta to Bay of Pigs, Eisenhower "seemed to be eager to take forceful action against Castro, and breaking off diplomatic relations appeared to be his best card. He noted that he was prepared to 'move against Castro' before Kennedy's inauguration on the twentieth if a 'really good excuse' was provided by Castro. 'Failing that,' he said, 'perhaps we could think of manufacturing something that would be generally acceptable.' …This is but another example of his willingness to use covert action-specifically to fabricate events-to achieve his objectives in foreign policy."

By the time Kennedy took office in January 1961, he had already made serious commitments to the Cuban exiles, promising to oppose communism at every opportunity, and supporting the overthrow of Castro. During the campaign, Kennedy had repeatedly accused Eisenhower of not doing enough about Castro.

Eisenhower, Kennedy and other high ranking U.S. officials continually denied any plans to attack Cuba, but as early as October 31 1960, Cuban Foreign Minister Raúl Roa, in a session at the U.N. General Assembly, was able to provide details on the recruitment and training of the Cuban exiles, whom he referred to as mercenaries and counterrevolutionaries. (The CIA recruits were paid $400 a month to train, with an additional allotment of $175 for their wives and more for their children.)
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/baypigs/pigs3.htm

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On April 17, 1961, 1400 Cuban exiles launched what became a botched invasion at the Bay of Pigs on the south coast of Cuba.

During the period between the election and his inauguration, JFK was briefed on a CIA plan developed within the Eisenhower Administration to train Cuban exiles for an invasion of their homeland. The United States was distrustful of Fidel Castro, the leader of Cuba, and wary of his relationship with Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet premier. The plan anticipated that support from the Cuban people and perhaps even from elements of the Cuban military would lead to the overthrow of Castro and the establishment of a non-communist government friendly to the United States.

Invasion preparations had begun in March of 1960, when President Eisenhower approved a CIA plan to train Cuban exiles. Camps in Guatemala were established, and by November the operation had trained a small army in guerilla tactics and conventional assault landing procedures.

In Miami, Jose Miro Cardona, leader of the anti-Castro Cuban exiles in the United States, became head of the United Revolutionary Front, poised to take over the provisional presidency of Cuba upon the successful invasion. Despite efforts of the government to keep the invasion plans covert, it became common knowledge in Miami. The press reported widely on events as they unfolded, and Castro soon learned of the guerilla training camps in Guatemala.
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/JFK+in+History/JFK+and+the+Bay+of+Pigs.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you're referring to the fact Russia put missiles in Cuba to serve as a deterrent to future attacks from the U.S., there's a huge number of places you'll find confirmation for that FACT, not theory. Most people have known this from the first.
~snip~
The Cuban Missile Crisis was a confrontation between the United States, the Soviet Union, and Cuba during the Cold War. In Russia, it is termed the "Caribbean Crisis," (Russian: Карибский кризис, Karibskiy krizis) while in Cuba it is called the "October Crisis." The crisis ranks with the Berlin Blockade as one of the major confrontations of the Cold War, and is often regarded as the moment in which the Cold War came closest to a nuclear war.

In Havana, there was fear of military intervention by the United States in Cuba.<1> In April 1961, the threat of invasion became real when a force of CIA-trained Cuban exiles opposed to Castro landed at the Bay of Pigs. The invasion was quickly terminated by Cuba's military forces given that promised American air support never arrived. President John F. Kennedy canceled air support as the invasion had already commenced. Castro was convinced the United States would invade Cuba.<2> Shortly after routing the Bay of Pigs Invasion, Castro felt more comfortable to finally declare Cuba a socialist republic and a Soviet Satellite state, and began to modernize Cuba's military with direct Soviet funding.

The United States feared the Soviet expansion of communism or socialism, but for a Latin American country to openly ally with the USSR was regarded as unacceptable, given the Russo-American enmity dating from the end of the Second World War in 1945. Such an involvement would also directly contradict the Monroe Doctrine that prevented European powers from getting involved in South American matters.

In late 1961, Kennedy engaged Operation Mongoose, a series of covert operations against Castro's government which were to prove unsuccessful.<3>. More overtly, in February 1962, the United States launched an economic embargo against Cuba.<4>
The United States also considered direct military attack. Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay presented to Kennedy a pre-invasion bombing plan in September, while spy flights and minor military harassment from the United States Guantanamo Naval Base were the subject of continual Cuban diplomatic complaints to the U.S. government.
By September 1962, Cuban observers fearing an imminent invasion would have seen increasing signs of American preparations for a possible confrontation, including a joint Congressional resolution authorizing the use of military force in Cuba if American interests were threatened,<5> and the announcement of an American military exercise in the Caribbean planned for the following month (Operation Ortsac).

The climax period of the crisis began on October 8, 1962. Later on October 14th, United States reconnaissance photographs taken by an American U-2 spy plane revealed missile bases being built in Cuba. The crisis ended two weeks later on October 28, 1962, when President of the United States John F. Kennedy and United Nations Secretary-General U Thant reached an agreement with the Soviets to dismantle the missiles in Cuba in exchange for a no invasion agreement and a secret removal of the Jupiter and Thor missiles in Turkey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

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~snip~
The Cuban Missile Crisis was the closest the world ever came to nuclear war. The United States armed forces were at their highest state of readiness ever and Soviet field commanders in Cuba were prepared to use battlefield nuclear weapons to defend the island if it was invaded. Luckily, thanks to the bravery of two men, President John F. Kennedy and Premier Nikita Khrushchev, war was averted. In 1962, the Soviet Union was desperately behind the United States in the arms race. Soviet missiles were only powerful enough to be launched against Europe but U.S. missiles were capable of striking the entire Soviet Union.

According to Nikita Khrushchev's memoirs, in May 1962 he conceived the idea of placing intermediate-range nuclear missiles in Cuba as a means of countering an emerging lead of the United States in developing and deploying strategic missiles. He also presented the scheme as a means of protecting Cuba from another United States-sponsored invasion, such as the failed attempt at the Bay of Pigs in 1961.

Secretly build missile installations in Cuba were initiated after obtaining Fidel Castro's approval. Fidel Castro was looking for a way to defend his island nation from an attack by the U.S. Ever since the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961, Castro felt a second attack was inevitable. Consequently, he approved of Khrushchev's plan to place missiles on the island. In the summer of 1962 the Soviet Union worked quickly and secretly to build its missile installations in Cuba.
http://www.jfklancer.com/jfk1bop.html

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Gaps in the Cuban Missile Crisis Story

By PIERRE SALINGER; PIERRE SALINGER, FORMER PRESS SECRETARY TO JOHN F. KENNEDY, IS SENIOR EDITOR, EUROPE, FOR ABC NEWS.
Published: February 5, 1989

LEAD: During last week's round-table discussion among Russians, Cubans and Americans who, like me, had lived through the Cuban missile crisis, the hope of coming closer to the origins and facts of the event was substantially realized.
During last week's round-table discussion among Russians, Cubans and Americans who, like me, had lived through the Cuban missile crisis, the hope of coming closer to the origins and facts of the event was substantially realized.

To my disappointment, however, some of the participants seemed to judge the events of 1962 from the perspective of the cooled political climate of 1989 detente. It seems clear, for instance, that the Kennedy Administration, under heavy political pressures, was indeed planning to invade Cuba in the fall of 1962, and that the Kremlin sent the missiles to Cuba to forestall an attack. But Robert S. McNamara, who was John F. Kennedy's Defense Secretary, denied that Washington had any such plans.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE3DC103FF936A35751C0A96F948260



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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:27 PM
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29. I'm fairly certain that the CIA has plans to invade....
EVERY country. Not sure why you cite Ike though. JFK actually did it and its not like IKE had a gun to his head(more like someone who's last name ends in a vowel).
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The Maestro Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:27 PM
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11. Good for the Russkis
If we would not be so stubborn, we could be helping the Cubans build their country; that would be far better than our ridiculous policy toward Cuba which continues to do more harm than good.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:38 PM
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14. From Russia's perspective, the US has been doing the same thing for years now.
The corporate interests have been rather interested in Central Asian crude for a few years now. The corporate types tried to cut a deal with the freaking Taliban to run a pipeline through their country from Central Asia, but that went south because of 9/11.

The Russians are simply paying back the favor.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:29 PM
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17. "Russian oil companies have "concrete projects" for drilling..."
....should be good for Russian steel and heavy industry....at least someone is thinking of the future....a future of high oil prices....

....as soon as this 'down-turn' subsides, as soon as a ME crisis flares, as soon as the millionth Tata is sold, as soon as American drivers figure out they can go back to wasting oil, the price of a gallon of gas will be right back up there....you don't think it's going to stay at a $1.89 for very long?

....my crystal-ball says, gas will be over $3.50 a gallon by next June, no matter what shape our economy is in....
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:28 PM
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20. You mean to tell me Sarah Palin didn't see this coming?
What a waste...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 03:49 PM
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26. Wait Wait I thought it was the CHINESE that were already drilling off Cuba????
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/underpants/120

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3436781&mesg_id=3436781

Yesterday I posted this
Is 'China slant drilling 50 miles off Key West'?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Sothe debate on offshore drilling was opened back up and guess what

MYTH!!!!!!!! :rofl: another great Republican myth (google "china slant drilling" and check it out)

From The Miami Herald

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/567156.html

''China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period,'' said Jorge Piñon, an energy expert at the University of Miami's Center for Hemispheric Policy.

Rising gas prices are prompting renewed efforts to open Florida waters to drilling, and the specter of oil-thirsty China slurping up nearby reserves is helping to fuel the push: In recent days, House Republican leaders have penned newspaper opinion pieces making the claim.

`DEBUNKING THE MYTH'

The renewed efforts prompted Florida Sen. Mel Martinez, who opposes drilling off Florida's coast, to take to the Senate floor Wednesday to -- as his office put it -- ''debunk the myth'' of China drilling in Cuban waters.

''Reports to the contrary are simply false,'' Martinez said, his remarks delivered just before Cheney spoke. ``They are akin to urban legends. China drilling off the coast of Cuba only 60 miles from the Keys, that is not taking place. . . Any talk of using some fabricated Cuba-China connection as an argument to change U.S. policy has no merit.''

House Minority Leader John Boehner's office defended the GOP drilling claims, pointing to a 2006 New York Times story that noted Cuba had ``negotiated lease agreements with China and other energy-hungry countries to extract resources.''

''The fact is China can drill off the coast of the United States and Americans can't,'' said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel. ``At a time when the nationwide average price for a gallon of gas is over $4, that policy just doesn't make sense.''

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