(Blackwater is here to help) Sheriff: Man shot as he walked out of his home to go to work

[galileoreloaded]

Source: NBC Affiliate

CAMDEN CO., N.C. (WAVY.com) -- Law enforcement personnel from 3 jurisdictions, with an assist from personnel and equipment from Blackwater, searched a rural area in the county Tuesday morning for a suspect they say shot a county resident as he walked out his house to go to work.

Read more: http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=9175324

[sarcasmo]

1. Martial Law is alive and well.

[tburnsten]

52. What you said does not make sense

They are helping in some kind of manhunt for a person who shot and killed someone with no warning. I think the residents of the area would definitely appreciate the rapid apprehension of the killer before he murders someone else.

[sarcasmo]

55. Then why is Blackwater needed? You will be the first one who says OK to Fema camps.

Just so your clear, Blackwater is a private extension of our Military.
The next scene is a civil unrest,(pic your city) Blackwater is called in to assist local police and you will say, how nice of them to help. It's Martial Law plan and simple when Blackwater is used, regardless of the situation, keep appeasing them and watch what you will be rewarded with.
On Edit: read post 20 they pretty much sum it up for me too.

[ManiacJoe]

56. Simple, Blackwater had a locally available helocopter.

Excellent use of available resources.

[sarcasmo]

60. Not simple, does this now make Blackwater the police or the Military?

[ManiacJoe]

62. Neither. It makes them a private company willing to rent

their available equipment to law enforcement as needed. Blackwater supplies the copter and pilot (probably for a fee) while the local agency supplies the LEO observer(s) who have arrest powers. News agencies do similar things with their copters every now and then, too.

Blackwater's private security guards have no special/extra legal rights than any common citizen has. (Check your state laws as this can vary from state to state.)

[sarcasmo]

63. If you believe what your spewing then I feel sorry for you.

"Blackwater's private security guards have no special/extra legal rights than any common citizen has"

[ManiacJoe]

64. Just point me to documentation showing that I am wrong.

Maybe things are different in your state, but in WA "armed private security guard" is just a job description.

[sarcasmo]

65. The word your looking for isn't armed security guard.

Try again.

On edit: post number 40 has your word that describes Blackwater.

[ManiacJoe]

66. Well, it certainly is not "mercenary".

At least, not by any standard definition. The way that word gets erroneously tossed around DU is just sad.

"Armed private security guard" is the correct phrase, Blackwater mythology be damned.

[sarcasmo]

67. I am starting to think you work for them and yes it is Mercenary. Agreeing to disagree.

[ManiacJoe]

70. Agreeing to disagree.

No, I don't work for Blackwater.

It appears that the key part of being a mercenary that many here miss is that a merc "does the job of a soldier". While many in Blackwater are former soldiers and certainly capable of doing the job of a soldier, they are not hired to do that and do not actually do it. They are hired for, and do the job of, armed body guards and armed security guards. Neither of these jobs are jobs of a soldier. However, in times past soldiers often got stuck doing those jobs due to the soldiers being the only armed folks locally available, dispite the soldiers' lack of training, knowledge, and skills to do those jobs well.

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. Too bad about that guy, but as long as there's a sniper on the loose

I hope he takes out a few of those BlacKKKwater thugs.

Yeah, I went there. Fuck those nazis.

[mitchum]

27. And I go there with you

Yes, fuck those nazis

[Runcible Spoon]

29. I'm with ya guys.

at least the company is good where "we went" :evilgrin:

[FatDave]

32. I'd never say such a thing.

But I might think it loudly.

[fascisthunter]

3. nazis

[Lone_Star_Dem]

4. Local?

[bananas]

5. Yes, "Camden County is the location of Blackwater USA's Blackwater Lodge and Training Center"

according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_County,_North_Carolina

[AnneD]

58. This story smells of 3 day old fish....

since it is a lodge and training center-what's not to think that wasn't a stray bullet. We had one from a firing range hit a children's bedroom nearby.

The whole thing feels like PSYOP.

[sarcasmo]

61. One place I would not want to live.

[dixiegrrrrl]

6. oh, people have to see this...

:kick:

[biermeister]

7. What are we worried about?

They're only trying to help the local authorities. It's just a bad dream, go back to sleep. Everything is fine. Isn't there something on the tv? :)

[crossroads]

8. Right - Nancy broke a hip!

[Enthusiast]

18. Yes, look away, nothing here. nt

[StClone]

9. Blue Sky and Black Water Parades such fun

[SIMPLYB1980]

10. I want blackwater disbanded and thrown out of my state.

This should be a law enforcement matter not a mercenary matter.

[hootinholler]

11. Somehow I put that headline together into blackwater shot some guy

Projecting my expectations I guess.

:shrug:

-Hoot

[DS1]

12. What a crafty headline

Snipers need shutting down fast

[tburnsten]

13. In all fairness, random shooters need to be shut down right away

And any help is good help, besides, if Blackwater is as effective at helping to catch the shooter as they are at VIP protection in the middle east, this guy will be stopped right away. Seriously, whatever wrongdoings security contractors commit overseas, Blackwater has never lost someone they were protecting, which is why the State Department still uses them for all their VIP contracts.

[file83]

14. You really want to give Blackwater the foot-in-the-door?

I'd rather let the Police handle it and keep the mercenaries out of business. The slippery slope of mercs used on our own soil as law enforcment is steep and slick.

[tburnsten]

42. How many law enforcement officers were after the D.C. snipers?

And how long did it take them to be caught? This is a rural area with far less resources than metropolitan D.C., and I am more worried about how many people will become the shooters' victims, if it is actually a random shooter and not someone who had a specific grudge.

But no, I don't want blackwater to have contracts for day-to-day operations in the U.S. that are not VIP protection. That is the one productive thing they are good at, and I like to give credit where credit is due. Also I don't remember the article outlining specifically what kind of support they are giving the local law enforcement. It might be as simple as lending some people to them to beef up their SWAT teams once they do find the shooter, or offering to provide personnel to secure the perimeter of wherever the police eventually need to go to apprehend the shooter. If it is a big area, they might need the help.

[SIMPLYB1980]

15. So you have no problem with mercs. working with the police?

The police have swat teams for that.

[tburnsten]

43. It's a rural area

They may not have enough resources to adequately deal with the situation on their own, and the article wasn't terribly clear on what exactly blackwater is going to be doing. I seriously doubt they will be running convoys through towns shooting at any resident who crosses their path or shows themself.

[stillcool]

16. Privatized law enforcement!

yipee! Do they have to obey the law here, or is it like Iraq, where they are immune?

[Anticon]

17. Are you fucking high?!!

:kick:

[Enthusiast]

19. Are you a stealth Republican?

So you are an advocate of a privatized law enforcement? Maybe we could have a privatized fire department also. Don't you see the risk of private law enforcement? Maybe you feel these private forces would come in handy in the event that we have the Rapture.

[peacetalksforall]

20. I shouldn't write because you have made me furious. You must not

have one %$^%$$#@ blankety blank position or understanding of the separation of powers and responsibilities.

You have your local, your county, your state police departments.
You have federal FBI and other agencies if there is a federal connection.
Blackwater is paid for by the State Dept.

U.S. taxpayers are already furious about Blackwater being a private army for the Secretary or State (for international affairs).

I don't want to pay for crime in your civic, county, or state.

AND I DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR BLACKWATER TO DO A N Y T H I N G WITHIN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!

If you want us to pay for crime within your state - then get the infrastructure changed and start by convincing us that Blackwater would be helpful to the effort legally or by new law. If you don't understand the theories and realities of precedence let me know as you will be the first one that I have ever put on ignore.

I hope I've explained my position clearly. As you can see I am passionate on maintaining a chain of authority and to do what you say is like an old wild west posse. The next step is a hanging.

[Pastiche423]

31. We need to keep our eye on this one

In his profile:

Country: U.S.A. Numba 1

[tburnsten]

46. What's wrong with that fellow?

I am quite happy to live in the U.S., it isn't perfect but we're doing pretty well even still. Once the Iraqi government is stable enough for us to withdraw without everything falling to pieces I think we'll be in a fine position, get a handle on the cost of healthcare, and we'll be golden.

[tburnsten]

44. Article read more like they were volunteering some unexplained support

And the state department is not blackwaters only client, though it is definitely the biggest. I have no idea what kind of support they will be offering, but this seems to be in a rural area, maybe they are doing something minor like putting a blackwater guy in the passenger seat of single officers' cars, so they are not alone. Trying to grab a murderer is not always a safe job, and doing that would definitely allow law enforcement to field more vehicles and cover more ground at once.

Anyway, whatever their wrongdoings overseas they are very well trained and they are almost all combat veterans already, so I'm sure an officer given the option of riding alone while looking for a random shooter or taking along an ex-special forces guy would probably opt for the blackwater guy every time.

[peacetalksforall]

49. Same position as the Germans who approved of the brown shirts.

[tburnsten]

51. You are a gem

They are helping the local law enforcement to catch a random shooter, not exterminating political opposition and slaughtering jews while they're at it. I'm sorry but blackwater is not in the same league as the SS troopers, and in this country they never will be. Our population is just not that hateful or enthusiastic, we would not allow something like that to happen. Transgressions overseas are one thing, and nailing them to the wall for their actions and lack of disciplinary measures for their employees is one thing, but trying to play up an incident where they offer to help law enforcement in their home area find a murderer before he kills anyone else as if that is the road to occupation and martial law is ridiculous. I know you probably mean well, but please try to level out what you are saying, think a little harder about this. Would you want ted bundy running around free any longer than is neccessary, even if it meant accepting some short-term help from a mercenary group?

[peacetalksforall]

53. Would you like to infringe on the order ofauthority any further than you have?

Posse, then the hangings. Why not let them help out in the prisons, the courts? They probably all need some help and people bashing is what they are all about with a big dose of religious affiliation. I can't go any further lower in my opinion of them and the people we pay who have allowed them. Sorry, history has had an effect on me. I see a little more clearly than you do with your boy scout approach as assitance. And I don't want to pay for your expenses for you local, country, or state police. Get it?

[ManiacJoe]

57. Where do you get the idea you are paying for anything?!?!?

If a bill got sent, it was sent to the local authorities who asked for the assistance.

[zeemike]

28. And you think that the military can't do that

Only much cheaper?
There is nothing more un American than a private army doing mercenary work at tax payers expense.
That is how Hitler and Mussolini got their start with the brown and black shirts. The SS was a private army sworn to allegiance to the leader and paid with government funds.
Those that fail to learn form history are doomed to repeat it.

[tburnsten]

45. Why would the military be used for this?

It is a law enforcement operation, and it is not a state of emergency, the governor can not just call up the guard any time he pleases, even if it would be very helpful.


And not all of blackwaters contracts are government. I don't recall the article saying what exactly they would be doing, but hopefully it is something small, something easy, and something truly valuable. And hopefully the shooter is caught right away, that is more important than whether or not a mercenary group volunteers to help catch him.

[zeemike]

54. I was talking about the military guarding people in a war zone

Which the tax payers pays handsomely for.
And the majority of Backwaters income comes from government contracts.
There was a time not long ago when the military deployed they did it all. They had there own cooks and truck drivers and were self sufficient
Now we pay 10 times as much for that service that was once provided by enlisted men in the service.
It is stupid and wastefully and puts billions in the pockets of corporations like Backwater.

[ManiacJoe]

59. VIP protection is not the job of the military.

Even though they may have been tasked with the job in the past, they were certainly not good at it. They are certainly not trained for it. Previously they just happen to be the only ones with available to be stuck with the job.

Farming out the non-soldier jobs to non-soldier may or may not be the most efficient use of the money. However, it does leave the soldiers free to be doing the soldier jobs. Given a long enough track record, history will eventually show which method works better.

[zeemike]

68. It is in a war zone.

And that is what Iraq and Afghanistan is.

[ManiacJoe]

69. No, it is not.

However, previously the military has been the only ones locally available and got stuck with the job. The general military does not train for VIP protection and virtually none of the soldiers have the knowledge or skills to do it. (Yes, the Marines do embassy security, but that is different than VIP security.)

That is not to say that teams like the SEALs and Delta cannot come up to speed rather quickly to do the job of VIP protection in a pinch, but they are usually busy off doing their real jobs. But it has been known to happen.

DSS is usually the agency that does the highest VIP protection abroad, but that is their job.

[Runcible Spoon]

30. yeah right. Blackwater will track the shooter down, take him to a secure facility....

and then offer him a job. Complimentary identity change with every recruitment :mad:

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

50. As far as we know, that shooter might already work for Blackwater,

and this might just be a exercise.

[Zhade]

33. So you support unaccountable mercenaries.

Thanks for helping install martial law with your pro-authoritarianism.

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. Like I said, FUCK those Nazis.

They shouldn't be protecting VIP's overseas either. There is NO justification for BlacKKKwater's existence. NONE. End of story.

If the US military was only used for legitimate purposes, defending THIS country, they wouldn't have recruiting problems and nobody would have to create private mercenary fasscist brigades to fill in the holes. But absolutely under NO circumstances should those lawless fuckwits be running loose in this country.

And if I ever see them in my town, I WILL go Al-Sadr on their asses, up to and including hanging their flaming corpses off a bridge.

[Roy]

35. Who were they protecting there? The police???

Is law enforcement there so incompetent that they need help to enforce the law?
How was law enforced before Blackwater?

How, oh how did this country exist this long without Blackwater?

[edwardian]

38. Do we know that it was a random shooting?

[tburnsten]

47. I don't really know

Someone said it was a sniper style attack earlier in the thread, I just went with it. It took D.C. law enforcement, with far greater resources than rural NC will ever have, a very long time to catch the D.C. snipers, and I think using private contractors in some limited role would be acceptable if it accelerated the process of catching the shooter.

[RainDog]

21. Blackwater should not exist. This has to stop

wtf- a federally funded private army? that's exactly what the SS was before Hitler won election. Bush is the worst president EVER who has done more to harm this nation's democracy than any outside entity could.

[WriteDown]

22. I remember assisting in the manhunt for....

Eric Rudolph in the mountains of NC. We weren't law enforcement, but you can bet that no one was going to stop us.

[tburnsten]

48. Probably exactly the same thing

But the article was not clear enough to know for sure, so I come across as supporting the use of mercenaries in the U.S. for ordinary everyday law enforcement purposes. I don't think many of the responses realize that they are helping to find a person who murdered someone for no apparent reason, and will almost certainly do it again given the chance. They won't be escorting the mayor around town, it seems like they will actually be serving a useful purpose for once.

[jbane]

23. As soon as one of those Blackwater idiots shoots somebody it will be...

All over. The only difference between them and the Hells Angles is the Angles make crystal meth to support themselves.

[liberal1973]

24. Blackwater should be shutdown

Un-American POSs.

[Dogtown]

25. QUITE POSSIBLY LEGAL

sorry for shouting, but i wanted to get your attention.

i believe it is legal for County Sheriffs to "deputize" private citizens. it is one of the provisions of Posse Comitatus(Common Law) and must be specifically outlawed not to have affect in a given state. i don't know, but i do suspect that NC has retained this provision, and that the sheriff in question provided them with legal authority.

[MrsBrady]

26. oh, ok...whew..i mean i don't like blackwater, but I'm glad THEY didn't shoot somebody...that's what

i thought the headline meant

[tuckessee]

36. Hmmm, makes me wonder if the shooter is Blackwater. n/t

[Nihil]

41. Or the victim?

We know how Blackwater like their little revenge attacks abroad ...
:shrug:

[AzDar]

37. K & R ...

:kick:

[savistocate]

39. News source.. really badly constructed sentence.

you have got to read more to know what they've said, and it's still possibly the suspect who killed a man walking out of his house-- -- --.

[savistocate]

40. ''all fairness''..would be keep the mercenaries out

of business and the business of law enforcement.

Another Chicago leader of note who's legislation needs support, call write, Jan Shakowski limiting this cancerous growth..eliminating better. Needs to be pushed promoted in Senate too--and new Oval Office leadership.