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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:34 AM
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Newsweek: A Problem in the Bunker (Cheney)
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4212900 /

Is Dick Cheney a drag on the ticket? As President Bush's rating dips below 50 percent, some prominent Republicans are beginning nervously to wonder. "The chatter on Cheney has increased in the last two weeks," says Republican strategist Scott Reed. "Cheney has moved into the Bush world; you either love him or hate him." The charge that the Bush administration hyped the WMD threat from Iraq has thrust the vice president into the spotlight, a place he generally prefers not to be.

There was a time when Cheney's presence in the White House was regarded as reassuring. With his thin record on foreign affairs and national security, George W. Bush seemed a little callow when he took office. Cheney, the former White House chief of staff under Gerald Ford and Defense secretary under the first President Bush, was a gruff, taciturn old hand who looked as if he were comfortable sleeping in a bomb shelter. But as Cheney disappeared into his "undisclosed location" after 9/11, surfacing only occasionally to warn of dire threats from terrorists with germs and nukes, he began to look a little bit less like Gary Cooper and more like Dr. Strangelove.

White House politicos have not been insensitive to the problem, and lately Cheney has been appearing more in public. But only the president (possibly) can tell him what to say, and the vice president has continued to offer his gloomy world view. No one has appeared more scornful of the United Nations or other multilateral organizations than Cheney, so it seemed like a peace offering to the globalists when Cheney agreed to speak at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last month. But Cheney seemed unrepentant and intransigent and once more linked terrorists to the Saddam regime, despite the doubts of the intel community. The Democrats will continue to bang away at Cheney's ties to Halliburton, the giant conglomerate he once ran, and they hope (though so far without evidence) that an ongoing leaks investigation over an outed CIA agent leads into the veep's office.

In recent interviews, Cheney has mostly joked about his image problem. "Why do I want to deal with it?" he told the Los Angeles Times and USA Today in mid-January. "What's wrong with my image?... Am I the evil genius in the corner nobody ever sees come out of his hole? It's a nice way to operate, actually," the vice president chuckled in his dry, mirthless way.


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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:38 AM
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1. Emerged as Doctor Strangelove..Finally someone has called
a spade a spade. That used to be Proud Patriots picture, dedicatd to this administration.

Once again DUers see the truth first while the media is sniffing around Cheney and Chimpys butts.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:39 AM
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2. Hmmm....I wonder what Rove is thinking....
seriously, ditching Cheney might be a smart tactical move on their
part. Question is: who replaces him on the ballot. They can't place
anybody that will make shrub look like the fool that he is...and
they can't place somebody that will turn off potential voters.

But then again, when you're planning on having a perpetual dictator
does it really matter...? :shrug:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:42 AM
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4. Put Santorum on the ticket
and watch his puke rhetoric drive Bush into a hidey-hole O8)
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flamingpie2500 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:42 AM
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5. Rudy Guilliani
Would be the obvious choice
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:47 AM
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8. Arianna Huffington says
the buzz in DC is they will dump Cheney and put Guilliani on the ticket.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:22 PM
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15. I don't think B*sh's base will go for that.
Giuliani is pro-choice and pro-gay rights. Also, Giuliani next to B*sh makes B*sh look even stupider than he already does (which I didn't think possible). Bad strategic move, I should think. No, they'll probably put up some random Republican that nobody has ever heard of outside his home state.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:28 PM
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17. Pataki
Pataki will bring New York.

Pataki cannot succeed himself and there is talk of Rudy running for governor.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:43 PM
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21. Pataki isn't very popular here anymore...
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 12:45 PM by alg0912
Link

Siena Research Institute
Siena College, Loudonville, NY
For Immediate Release: Wednesday, January 14, 2004
The Siena New York Poll for December: Approval Ratings: New York State Officials

Pataki Approval Down 1 Point to 46%
Legislature Down 4 Points to 35%
AG Spitzer remains at 57%; Comptroller Hevesi down 3 points to 38%


Loudonville, NY - Governor Pataki's approval rating went down 1 point in December to 46%, and the State Legislature went down 4 points to 35%, according to the most recent Siena New York Poll from Siena (College) Research Institute (SRI).

The Governor's approval decreased most among lower income New Yorkers (down 7 points to 43%) and Republicans (down 5 points to 55%). His only increases were in New York City (up 1 point to 45%) and among women (up 2 points to 47%) and Independents and Other party members (up 1 point to 47%).

The Governor's highest approval rating is among Republicans, at 55%; his lowest is among Democrats, at 39%. His overall disapproval rating increased 1 point to 39%.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:18 PM
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29. Doubtful he could bring NY - Spitzer -
Pataki has lost his veneer. He is seen more and more as a party hack. And wait until Eliot Spitzer has him in his sights. Now - there is a Dem to watch. Spitzer. Ambitious. Tough.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:12 PM
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38. ...doen't amount to much
Pataki can run as many times as he wants, although after three terms and a growing state budget problem, his odds probably aren't good. On the national stage however, he certainly can't deliver New York to the Red states. George hasn't been able to get another Republican elected to statewide office since his first term.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:17 PM
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41. Giuliani's home life ain't that swell either...the Fundies won't like it
I would like to know why he was so ultra-prepared for 9-11, except for moving the fuel supplies out. Always seemed like a set-up. like when FEMA arrived in town the day before 9-11.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:13 PM
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26. Not Rudy
- too ego driven; too injudicious; too much the publicity hound. Actually a fine choice from the Dem point of view. Rudy has many flaws and a record to show it. Also - it means thery can hardly run the anti-gay barrage when Rudy lived with a gay couple after ex-wife kicked him out for adultery.

The more i consider this the more i think they may be trotting McCain out for a 4 year airing and then a new face for 2008.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:48 AM
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9. I think Cheney
is actually the real president. If anyone gets dumped it will be Shrub. Of course it will be done nicely. He could get some ailment that would require him to spend time away. Therefore he will step down and let Cheney be "president" until the next election. Well, I can dream. I do wonder if the puppet handler has let things get away from him. Shrub seems to like the limelight.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:08 PM
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25. McCain
....maybe they are dangling the VP carrot before Mccain - hence his recent pre-emptive remarks on the innocence of the administration's hyping of the threat etc. Muzzle him and use him to neutralize Kerry and his "chest full of medals" and then have Cheney maintain the bunker-government behind the scenes in peace. (And of course, renew public ties with Halliburton.)
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Supormom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:13 PM
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27. Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman...
It was suggested last summer by the Minneapolis StarTribune that Coleman was being considered to replace Cheney as VP. The repukes like him because he beat Walter Mondale in the senate race after Senator Wellstone died in a plane crash.

Note- the combination of votes for Mondale and absentee ballots for Wellstone = a democratic victory. Coleman would have lost to either candidate in a fair fight.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:20 PM
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42. Oh man, two dumb sh*** to take care of. They'll have to pay Rove
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 10:21 PM by leesa
double-time! I'll think they will go with McCain. He still seems able to fool the foolish Republicans.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:25 PM
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30. Ditching Cheney is not a political replacement,
but a decapitating strike to this admin.
They cannot cut him loose. He cannot be prosecuted.
Hell, he can't even give up the energy papers.

This admin started with a massive perversion of justice. Once it overturned an election, it thought itself invulnerable. Cheney still thinks it is, Bush fears it isn't, and he and Rove are likely drinking heavily.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:41 PM
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31. Exactly. Cheney IS the administration.
Cheney's not going anywhere.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:39 PM
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34. How about Bush-Powell in 2004?
Or someone who would divide the Democratic base
rather than uniting white conservatives.

A female VP could have the same impact.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:23 PM
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44. Powell is gone. He has simply lied too publically, too many times.
He's also been too uppity for the racists of the Republican party.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:41 AM
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3. Cheney has only one message
"If you betray me, you will all die"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:43 AM
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6. Cheney in Charge. It's Cheney's Admin, it's Cheney's War in Iraq.
Cheney, founding member of PNAC, follows the PNAC blueprint despite all evidence that it's a disaster. Not too bright, Dick.

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http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2002/poycheney...

After Cheney graduated from high school, Tom Stroock, a local oilman who was impressed by the young man, arranged his entrance and full scholarship to Yale. After four semesters, Cheney's grades were so bad, the university asked him to leave. David Nicholas, who has known Cheney since junior high school and who went to Harvard, thinks part of the problem was that the Casper schools had not prepared the boys for Ivy League academics. "We were competing with kids who went to Andover and Exeter, and they knew what it was all about," Nicholas observes. What's more, say those who knew Cheney then, he spent more time "in the bend-your-elbow club," as a former Yalie puts it, than in the library. Cheney hung out with his cohort on the freshman football team, stayed up late playing cards and drinking beer. "Dick wasn't big on studying," remembers Jacob Plotkin, one of his roommates.

Cheney got a union job laying power lines in the blue-collar town of Rock Springs, Wyo. He stayed in constant touch with Lynne, who was in college in Colorado; he had had to endure teasing from Plotkin for writing her almost daily from Yale. On occasion, he drank too much - a practice that led to two DUI arrests within a year. Cheney told Nicholas years later that the arrests motivated him to get his career on track. In addition, Lynne, according to Stroock, "was firm that she did not want to spend the rest of her life married to a lineman."

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples...

June 3, 1997
Project for a New American Century
Statement of Principles


<snip>

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

* we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

* we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

* we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

* we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

<signatories>

Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Project for a New American Century
Letter to President Clinton on Iraq
January 26, 1998


<snip>

Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4715-200...

President Bush showed little interest in policy discussions in his first two years in the White House, leading Cabinet meetings "like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people," former Treasury secretary Paul H. O'Neill says in an upcoming book on the Bush White House.

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/01/15/o_ne... /

O'Neill sounds an alarm against an unfit president who lacks "credibility with his most senior officials," behind whom looms a dark "puppeteer," as O'Neill calls Cheney, and a closed cabal. "A strict code of personal fealty to Bush -- animated by the embrace of a few unquestioned ideologues -- seemed to be in collision with a faith in the broader ideals of honest inquiry."

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,110104... ....

So, what does O'Neill reveal? According to the book, ideology and electoral politics so dominated the domestic-policy process during his tenure that it was often impossible to have a rational exchange of ideas. The incurious President was so opaque on some important issues that top Cabinet officials were left guessing his mind even after face-to-face meetings. Cheney is portrayed as an unstoppable force, unbowed by inconvenient facts as he drives Administration policy toward his goals.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/mai... ...

But O'Neill thought it should have been the end. After 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, the budget deficit was growing. So at a meeting with the vice president after the mid-term elections in 2002, Suskind writes that O'Neill argued against a second round of tax cuts.

"Cheney, at this moment, shows his hand," says Suskind. "He says, You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due." O'Neill is speechless.

<snip>

The former treasury secretary accuses Vice President Dick Cheney of not being an honest broker, but, with a handful of others, part of "a praetorian guard that encircled the president" to block out contrary views. "This is the way Dick likes it," says O'Neill.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/mai... ...

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," says O'Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

<snip>

He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. "There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, "Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001.

Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth.

He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.

"It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions," says Suskind. "On oil in Iraq."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39500-2003Aug... ...

Cheney raised the alarm about Iraq's nuclear menace three times in August. He was far ahead of the president's public line. Only Bush and Cheney know, one senior policy official said, "whether Cheney was trying to push the president or they had decided to play good cop, bad cop."

On Aug. 7, Cheney volunteered in a question-and-answer session at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, speaking of Hussein, that "left to his own devices, it's the judgment of many of us that in the not-too-distant future, he will acquire nuclear weapons." On Aug. 26, he described Hussein as a "sworn enemy of our country" who constituted a "mortal threat" to the United States. He foresaw a time in which Hussein could "subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail."

"We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons," he said. "Among other sources, we've gotten this from firsthand testimony from defectors, including Saddam's own son-in-law."

That was a reference to Hussein Kamel, who had managed Iraq's special weapons programs before defecting in 1995 to Jordan. But Saddam Hussein lured Kamel back to Iraq, and he was killed in February 1996, so Kamel could not have sourced what U.S. officials "now know." And Kamel's testimony, after defecting, was the reverse of Cheney's description. In one of many debriefings by U.S., Jordanian and U.N. officials, Kamel said on Aug. 22, 1995, that Iraq's uranium enrichment programs had not resumed after halting at the start of the Gulf War in 1991. According to notes typed for the record by U.N. arms inspector Nikita Smidovich, Kamel acknowledged efforts to design three different warheads, "but not now, before the Gulf War."

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92372,00.html

Cheney Energy Task Force Documents Detail Iraqi Oil Industry
Friday, July 18, 2003

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force appeared to have some interest in early 2001 in Iraq's oil industry, including which foreign companies were pursuing business there, according to documents released Friday by a private watchdog group.

Judicial Watch (search), a conservative legal group, obtained a batch of task force-related Commerce Department papers that included a detailed map of Iraq's oil fields, terminals and pipelines as well as a list entitled "Foreign Suitors of Iraqi Oilfield Contracts."

The papers also included a detailed map of oil fields and pipelines in Saudi Arabia and in the United Arab Emirates and a list of oil and gas development projects in those two countries.

The papers were dated early March 2001, about two months before the Cheney energy task force completed and announced its report on the administration's energy needs and future energy agenda.<more>

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24386-2002Dec... ...

Cheney's Home Sending Bad Vibrations
Construction Blasts Have D.C. Folks Shuddering, Speculating
Sunday, December 8, 2002; Page A01

No one in the Massachusetts Avenue Heights neighborhood of Northwest Washington knows what is going on at the house of their neighbor, the vice president of the United States.

But one thing is certain: They're tired of the daily blasting at the Naval Observatory that has shaken houses, rattled windows and knocked mirrors off the walls.

<snip>

The blasts, which last three to five seconds apiece, have been going off two or three times a day -- as early as 7 a.m. and as late as 11 p.m. -- for nearly two months, residents say. But neighbors have received so little information from government officials about the top-secret project that speculation is running wild.

The leading theory: A security bunker is being built for Vice President Cheney. The second most-popular guess: The government is digging tunnels to spy on nearby embassies. In third place: A helicopter hangar is under construction.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20584-2002Feb... ...

Shadow Government Is at Work in Secret
After Attacks, Bush Ordered 100 Officials to Bunkers Away From Capital to Ensure Federal Survival
Friday, March 1, 2002; Page A01

President Bush has dispatched a shadow government of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work secretly outside Washington, activating for the first time long-standing plans to ensure survival of federal rule after catastrophic attack on the nation's capital.

<snip>Known internally as the COG, for "continuity of government," the administration-in-waiting is an unannounced complement to the acknowledged absence of Vice President Cheney from Washington for much of the pastfive months. Cheney's survival ensures constitutional succession, one official said, but "he can't run the country by himself." With a core group of federal managers alongside him, Cheney -- or President Bush, if available -- has the means to give effect to his orders.

<snip>

According to officials with first-hand knowledge, the Bush administration conceived the move that morning as a temporary precaution, likely to last only days. But further assessment of terrorist risks persuaded the White House to remake the program as a permanent feature of "the new reality, based on what the threat looks like," a senior decisionmaker said.

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDef...

Rebuilding America's Defenses
A Report of the Project for the New American Century
September 2000


In particular, we need to:

ESTABLISH FOUR CORE MISSIONS for U.S. military forces:

*defend the American homeland;
* fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars;
* perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions;
* transform U.S. forces to exploit the 'revolution in military affairs;'

To carry out these core missions, we need to provide sufficient force and budgetary allocations. In particular, the United States must:

<snip>

DEVELOP AND DEPLOY GLOBAL MISSILE DEFENSES to defend the American homeland and American allies, and to provide a secure basis for U.S. power projection around the world.

CONTROL THE NEW 'INTERNATIONAL COMMONS' OF SPACE AND 'CYBERSPACE,' and pave the way for the creation of a new military service 'U.S. Space Forces' with the mission of space control.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/15/national/15BUSH.html?...

Bush Backs Goal of Flight to Moon

"The plan was put together under the direction of the National Security Council. Participants said that Vice President Dick Cheney had run several meetings and that the deputy national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, had organized many of the options. "The president didn't make these choices, but he approved them," a senior official said."

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:50 PM
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22. Rich kids in college
I went to univerity with some of these rich, privately educated kids. They weren't well prepared to do a lot things. They did like to copy my papers, notes, etc. I said, no to them. There may be some that are smart and succeed but there are others that have been pushed ahead because, they are "rich" disabled (such as Bush, Cheney, etc.)

Reagan was publically educated in High School but could only get into a sub-standard college. Rep. Hasertt went to a local religious school that teaches religious courses mostly...Wheaton College, IL. Idiots are ruling our country.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:43 AM
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7. Time Mag is also questioning Cheney on ticket
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 11:52 AM by rmpalmer


I think Rove is going to advise the Chimp to dump Cheney - but with Dr. Strangelove allow it?

The Vice President is Cheney an Asset or a Liability?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,110104...

George W. Bush's choice of Dick Cheney as his running mate defied the usual calculus of vice-presidential selection: a retired Cabinet Secretary from a state with just three electoral votes plus a charisma deficit didn't appear to equal a brilliant electoral strategy. But Cheney, it turned out, seemed to compensate for Bush's perceived weaknesses. Though only 5 1/2 years older than Bush, he added an air of experience and wisdom to a candidate who was only in his sixth year of politics.

Cheney's gravitas now feels more like gravity dragging Bush down. A TIME/CNN poll last week found that 43% of Americans would like to see Bush keep Cheney on the ticket, while 42% would like to see him gone. A recent Fox poll showed Cheney's approval 10% behind Bush's. Once a complement to Bush, Cheney now seems to amplify the President's liabilities. Back in 2000, most people had never heard of Halliburton, the oil-and-gas-and-contracting behemoth that Cheney headed before being tapped by Bush. Cheney isn't helped by the fact that Halliburton has benefited from the Iraq war he championed or that investigations of the company seem to multiply. The Justice Department last week launched a review into alleged bribes the company had flung around the globe in order to obtain foreign contracts. Cheney ran the company during part of the time frame covered by the probe, and his office, not surprisingly, isn't commenting. And last week's report that Cheney gave Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia a ride on his plane as the two went off to hunt ducks in Louisiana came just as the Associate Justice must vote on whether records from Cheney's energy task force can remain secret. Furious Democrats called on Scalia to recuse himself from the case
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:57 AM
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10. isn't it apparent
that the veep's a creep?

This "thing" has crept up from some sewer that breeds evil.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:09 PM
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12. actually, if you tear off his rubber human mask,
you'll find the reptillian alien underneath.
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ScrewyRabbit Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:06 PM
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11. My prediction: Cheney's heart problem will make a reappearance
For "medical reasons" he'll have to step aside and miss the 04 elections.

Just you wait and see...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:12 PM
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14. I have heard rumors lately that his health is MUCH worse than we know
Does the VP have to release any medical records?

Could his heart problems affect his mental state? I've heard that heart surgery can lead to serious depression. Can it also cause paranoia?

I've heard that the blasting under the Naval Observatory was to build a full operating suite under the house. Has anyone else heard this?
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:00 PM
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24. I'm 100% certain that ...

I'm 100% certain that Cheney was being hid IN THE HOSPITAL in the weeks after 9/11. Think about it. If congress NEW he was in health distress, they might push Bush to replace him in case something unfortunate happened to Chimpy.

So instead of fessing up that Cheney had a heart attack, they cooked up the story that he was in an "undisclosed location" for the sake of government continuity. If they wanted to show strength, they would have marched Cheney right out and shown that the administration was "large and in charge". Instead Cheney was hid away????

Like I said, Cheney had a heart attack and had to be hospitalized in the weeks following 9/11.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:29 PM
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18. A graceful out would be for Cheney to stage a heart attack
and then asked to be let out.

Cheney should do this before he is indicted in France for bribes.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:54 PM
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36. Can't you just imagine Dicky Boy
practicing clutching his heart, gasping, and dramatically falling to the floor?
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:06 PM
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37. Considering that Cheney chose himself to be Bu$h's running mate,
and considering that pesky Constitutional prohibition (12th Amendment) he had to dodge to become veep, and considering all the power he has acquired pulling monkeyboy's strings, and all the bucks he has made from his phony war, I don't see Cheney exiting gracefully.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:15 PM
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28. Is it to much to hope for Plame
..leak indictments this week that lead to him wanting to spend more time with his delightful family?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:43 PM
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32. Not good enough - I want Cheney indicted
There is no way those indictments don't lead to Dick himself. Those guys don't pull a stunt like that without Dick's knowledge.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:10 PM
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13. Check the online poll: Among the most recent four First Ladies...
Among the most recent four First Ladies, who do you think came closest to doing the job the way it should be done?


* 5080 responses

Hillary Clinton
51%

Laura Bush
18%

Barbara Bush
16%

Nancy Reagan
9%

I don't know
6%
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:25 PM
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16. Cheney = The Godfather
He's not going anywhere while there are still crimes to be committed, people to bomb, and pockets of the poor to pick.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:33 PM
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19. There is no easy way to retire Cheney
He is the consumate blackmailer and has the backing of big defense contractors and big oil. He literally knows where all the bodies are buried.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:36 PM
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20. the "Don" of the
mob of ickies?
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 12:56 PM
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23. Christy Todd Whitman ?????

Would Bush play the "gender" card for re-election. Christy is "somewhat" moderate as Republicans go. However, she has shown that she also makes the perfect Bush syncophant. She was perfectly willing to rape the environment on the behalf of industry. She still stands 100% behind Don Arbusto.

So could Christy Todd Whitman be placed on the ticket?????

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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 01:59 PM
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33. And what about the "Cheyney is the experienced adviser" thing?
Now that people know what a lightweight Bush* really is, I think even his supporters would find it psychologically un-nerving to have Stupid cut loose from his wise old mentor.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 08:36 PM
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35. Cheney ain't too bright, either
See my post above. Flunked out of Yale. Even Chimpy managed to squeek through Yale. I think Cheney is EXTREMELY overrated. The only thing he's successful at is thievery.
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rocketdem Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 09:59 PM
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39. The obvious choice would be Condi Rice
If I were Bush's advisor, this is what I'd recommend. Then Bush could take credit for putting a woman and a minority on the ticket. Regardless of how cynical a choice that would be, I'd say that it would make the Repugs very difficult to beat in November. The Dem nominee would almost be forced to do something similar, but then (irony of ironies) he'd just be accused of pandering.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:14 PM
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40. Of course the magnificent Chimp gets yet another free pass
What about all those foolish Republicans that voted for the Chimpster because Cheney would take care of things for the dolt. Not that he hasn't take care of any credibility the US may have had for decades to come, but I don't think this was quite what they had in mind. Idiots!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:23 PM
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43. Increased chatter on Cheney!
Orange Veep alert! Orange Veep alert!
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