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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:07 PM
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MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts (Olbermann, Matthews) From Anchor Seat
Source: New York Times

MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channels coverage of the election.

That experiment appears to be over.

After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

The change which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle is a direct result of tensions associated with the channels perceived shift to the political left.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnb...
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:08 PM
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1. But a shift to the right by any other network is not a problem...
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 09:10 PM by BrklynLiberal
or the OBVIOUSLY biased approach of FAUX NOISE

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Guess ratings don't matter.. kissing repuke ass is more important.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. What a complete crock of crapola!!!!!! the networks can show any bias they want, as long as it
is supportive of the repukes. This is nauseating...

And Brokaw and Williams can both eat shit..They will be able to handle it well, after all, they are already kissing asses.


The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it.
<snip>
Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of NBC Nightly News, have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division,
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #16
65. Brokaw and Williams will gladly defend the cable news arm of the
White House propaganda machine just as they do now, day in and day out.
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #65
226. They LOVE McCain. He's a war hero!
I cannot stand how Brokaw and Williams just melt with love over McCain. My Dad was a war hero and POW and it doesn't mean he was qualified to be president by any means. He had a lot of issues to deal with and he did and turned out to be a great father.

But give it up Brokaw and Williams--you are looking like fools.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #16
67. IS... RIGHT WING FASCIST IN CHARACTER AND CONTENT! Support John Russell For Congress in Florida!
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #16
147. Re: "supportive"
Hey, the mainstrem media have an election to win - what can we expect?
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #16
155. McPOW's campaign "filed letters of complaint" -- ooooh, sounds SERIOUS, doesn't it?
Peons write letters. Peons write emails. Peons call. But John-Boy and Saracuda FILE their displeasure (to the Federal Election Whining Commission or Billo Reilly, I imagine). Words cannot adequately express how very very IMPRESSED I am. :eyes:
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #155
168. I wondered what kind of backlask KO would get for calling out that disgusting
9/11 video that they played before McCain's acceptance speech. He expressed his unhappiness and how he thought that the cynical use of the images was simply to conjure up the anxiety of the time.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #168
213. I wondered about that, too...
He was absolutely right on. I had the same reaction... x(

I've always been worried about a backlash against Keith's outspokenness, but I was hoping that his ratings would make up for it... :-(
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
105. This is a setup to steal this election...we have nothing but the internet..
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BallardWA Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #105
197. I absolutely agree
The fix is in.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #105
223. agree--only the net
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #1
106. OReilly doesn't anchor elections does he?
Andrea Mitchell, Gregory, Brokaw, Brian Williams et all seems more professional to have them in the chair asking Olberman and Matthews for their opinions. It doesn't sound like M & O will be entirely excluded.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #106
142. Hope not.He's stupid. David Gregory is a right wing spin machine.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #142
144. Extremely disappointing
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:05 AM
Response to Reply #106
163. Sure of course, lets not upset the complete rightwing bias
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 06:22 AM by Warren Stupidity
on the media, that would be unprofessional.

WTF?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #106
211. Thanks Polly for your fine input.....Sounds like such a great pug
talking point. Apparently you do not watch these people most of your waking hours as I and many here on DU who know where these folks lean. When the truth hurts as NBC-MSNBC has come to learn, they FIX it and Olbermann has come to symbolize the truth and he has been fixed.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #106
245. Have you heard the questions Gregory asks on his show?

Completely biased. Never asks Republicans hard questions, always interrogates Dems.

Ever since he became Rove's dance partner he's been a right wing tool.


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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #106
253. tell me you're joking
Brian Williams is an admitted Limbaugh fan. Brokaw drools over McCain
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BlueKansan Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #1
212. MSNBC is not Fox
There was a time, long ago, when I couldn't suss out Chris Matthews' political leanings -- or Olbermann's either, for that matter. After the 2004 election, the gloves came off. More specifically, after Dan Abrams became GM, things changed. Keith began to get away with murder. Matthews began to drop hints he was a little left of center. I loved it.

I've watched both Matthews and Olbermann since they began hosting both their shows -- ten years for Matthews, going on five years for Keith. I never miss them. So I say this with love for both guys -- they've gone too far -- especially Olbermann. He's become too full of himself. He pontificates too much. If there were a far right version of Keith Olbermann, it would look like Rush or Bill-O. Maybe even Rush. Sorry, but I really believe that.

My disappointment with Keith really began in earnest when he essentially banned Dana Milbank from 'Countdown' when Milbank quoted Obama out of context. IOW, he cut Milbank's mike. My husband reminded me that we have never heard Keith debate an adversarial guest on his show -- because he only hosts people who agree with him. Think about that -- it's true. I loathe Bill O'Reilly, but you know, even Bill-O hosts guests he disagrees with. Frankly, I like DU, but I prefer Politico because it isn't as one-sided.

If you think Fox now has to demote Bill-O just because MSNBC has demoted Matthews and Olbermann, you're not thinking clearly. What Fox does has nothing to do with MSNBC. What has happened to cable news is that Fox went far right, MSNBC went far left, and CNN is still as dry and boring as ever -- but at least offers some semblance of neutrality. If CNN would ditch Rick Sanchez, I'd probably watch them a lot more.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #212
234. Olbermann is the only one who reports truth
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:25 PM by Proud_Lefty
It's amazing how truth these days is considered far left. Notice how the liars with nothing backing up any of their claims are considered far right. In this scenario, I'll take the far left any day because I won't be satisfied with anything less than the truth. I'm glad he doesn't have anyone on with opposing views as it's refreshing not to have to listen to all the b.s. We just hear substance that always has substantial back-up. Yes, Keith Olbermann throws in his opinions, but unlike the others, his opinion makes complete sense based on facts. Everyone else is clearly bought and paid for. Most of us see through it, don't you?

On edit: Bill Moyer is also a truth teller. He's awesome.
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coznfx Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #212
238. Comcast's Great MSNBC Robbery ...
About 1 1/2 to 2 years ago, here in the mid-Willamette Valley area of Oregon, Comcast 'rearranged' which network got assigned to which cable channel on 8 or 9 of their channels.The day after receiving an explanation letter from them (the usual: deleting several less popular stations in order to add networks in great demand by 'us, their valued customers'; 'changes to affect Standard Cable customers only' - no changes to any Digital Cable channel (those assigned to channels higher than 125); 'these changes reflect our commitment to providing our customers the programming they want'; blah, yada, etc.), MSNBC vanished!!

The other changes basically swapped A&E and USA Network-type channels around, or grouping similar channels closer together. Guess which station took MSNBC's channel ... the TV Guide Channel! Unreal!!

Loyal KO viewers bitched a bitch! Comcast magnanimously offered to to provide a box ( for only $1 a month) which would allow viewing of MSNBC. Otherwise, it is now only available to Digital Cable Subscribers (at almost double the price of Standard Cable, which itself is ridiculously priced at around $50 a month.).

I too now rely on the internet for my KO fix!

It's a good thing Comcast is as liberal as the media in this country, or we'd probably get Faux News on EVERY channel! Any other region have a similar experience with Comcast??
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #212
246. MSNBC is no where NEAR far left.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 04:43 PM by cui bono
While I agree with you that KO can get a little full of himself - I particularly cringed when he attempted to belittle Glenn Greenwald because he criticized him and he didn't even know who Greenwald was and that he is an excellent mind.

However, no longer using a reporter because they did their job incorrectly is different than shutting off someone's mic who is telling a truth you simply do not want to hear.

MSNBC is no where NEAR far left. Even with KO and the addition of Rachel Maddow it is still center. Since when did the truth get put on a left-right spectrum? So the stations that peddle govt. propaganda are right and the stations that tell the truth are left? (that is telling right there, isn't it?) You are buying into the framing that the right wing has created as well as buying into the left being a bad thing. The far left has absolutely NO voice in the corporate media. All they will give you is center views that they label far left so you think you are getting "both" sides, when in fact there is at least a third side that is never heard from at all.

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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #212
251. Wow. Reading your post tells me Politico is a better home for you.
Every truth-teller from Olbermann to Rick Sanchez on CNN you've vilified but you defend Fixed News and Bill Orally?!?

Something stinks here and seeing you've only got 16 posts under your belt says enough for me.

When HuffPost tr0//s start mentioning democraticunderground.com I know they've been here and they have the same modus operandi as, well, you.

Yeah, politico is much more right of center so I agree with you, that it's a better place for you too.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
2. Matthews is just like an impulsive 4-year old child who has eaten too much candy
He goes which ever way the wind blows, interrupts his guests, talks 150 miles per hour and gets too emotional.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Which is why I love him. ;)
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #2
99. At least Chris wasn't 100% behind everything the GOP did
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #2
137. Yeah, but Mega-Mouth has been pretty tough on the rented-right-wing...
...propagandists sent out by the GOP and corporate head-honchos to help in the dumbing down of Americans.

He was on the path of redeeming himself... and is now promptly demoted.

Who still believes we don't live in a Fascist State after this clear attempt to kill any opposing voices not of the GOP and corporate stables?
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Snail Darter Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #137
150. The Fascist Problematic
CaliDem04 said, "Who still believes we don't live in a Fascist State after this clear attempt to kill any opposing voices not of the GOP and corporate stables?" I agree that fascist governments kill dissenters. I've spent a long time trying to figure out why Bushco lets dissenters live, unlike other fascists. It seems like even little ol' Franco would have at least jailed Keith and Chris, and we don't even need to make mention of what Mussolini or Hitler would have done to them! So I don't get Bushco. Are some fascists just too lazy to kill dissenters?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #150
180. It isn't necessary to kill
dissenters, one only needs to silence them. Besides, killing Keith O would only call attention to the true nature of these fascists. This is why their takeover has gone unnoticed by the uninformed majority.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #150
198. Your attempt at sarcasm is poor at best. Do better. And while you're at it
... learn comprehensive reading.

I wrote "...kill any opposing VOICES..." I said nothing about Bushco dictatorship tactics already implemented on the American people and Iraq a la Gitmo.

Oh, and it's BLUECaliDem04, Snail Farter - I mean darter.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #150
209. It's actually better for the regime to have dissenters.
It gives the appearance of NOT being an outright fascist state.
Meanwhile, dissent is crushed regardless of the method. Killing dissenters has obvious negative consequences...
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BlueKansan Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #2
217. That's a good description of Matthews
He's all over the map. Has he been mainlining caffeine? He used to just interrupt his guests. Now he goes on and on, interjecting movie metaphors and asking some pretty dumb questions. Remember early in the primary season when he was promoting some stupid Lawrence of Arabia analogy to some candidate? (No, it wasn't Obama...) Remember when he couldn't stop playing SNL clips of Darrel Hammond's spoofs of him? Talk about starstruck -- how nauseating.

Matthews used to get the very best guests. Did you ever wonder why Hillary never appeared on 'Hardball' this season? I never did. I knew she'd never give him an interview. He's too

And listen, I'm saying this as someone who has seen just about every 'Hardball' broadcast for the last ten years. I'm worried about him. He's starting to channel Larry King.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
3. Of course, take the two people I like and move 'em for people I don't.
FUCK YOU NBC!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #3
204. Don't just talk! Send emails to nbc, MSNBC, repug thugs Brian Williams and Tom Brokaw
and especially Repug thug David Gregory. This is a major bolder thrown at the even hand and one giant leap toward stealing the election for the pugs. I will now only turn to MSNBC to watch Kieth Olbermann and never even fly over NBC.
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Wabbajack_ Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #3
257. Luv yer button
I totally thought of that when I learned he was black irish.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
4. 
A channels perceived shift to the political left? RUN!
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:09 PM
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5. I'm sorry...
...so they're saying GREGORY is an unbiased anchor????? :wtf:

This is sad news...
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:10 PM
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6. Crap. Gregory is so limp.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:10 PM
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8. ONE network isn't in the tank for the fundies, and that's apparently too much. This is mind control
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:12 PM
Response to Original message
9. It's true and I was only hoping it was a Drudge rumor.
Sigh! I don't need to turn the TV on at all now for the elections. I will just monitor my computer like I did for the last one.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
230. Perfect solution,Cleita. Will also do that. n/t
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:12 PM
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10. Gregory...fucking great!
He's been so even-handed that he doesn't let truth become too intrusive. It is unfair to the liars.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:12 PM
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11. Disgusting
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:13 PM
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12. I've never considered Tweety to be incendiary.
He's too much of a Beltway *player* to be that.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. He wasn't sucking up to the RW during the Dem Convention.
I guess that's incendiary.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #12
71. He interupts his guests constantly, spits while he talks and is often rude.
Other than that, he's great.

Keith is FAR more professional.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
224. ridiculous, Tweety?! RW got america by the balls when Tweety
can't sing from his center to right seat.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:14 PM
Response to Original message
13. So they are going to stick pro McCain asshole David Gregory
in the anchor seat? Their ratings will tank.

The suits at NBC are idiots. People watch Olbermann because he is one of few voices on the left. Why the hell can't people on the political left be represented? This kind of shit pisses me off no end.

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #13
118. "Why the hell can't people on the political left be represented?"
Simple. Because the CEO of NBC is a Repub and when President Obama will raise taxes on the have-ever-more class, he will not like it at all, so he is scared shitless about the idea of a future President Obama and Vice-President Biden will come true. So he's doing all he can for that not to happen. But he will fail.

Hope it's clear enough, now.

OTOH, who cares for TV stations when We Have The World Wide Web?
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #118
128. I'm well aware that GE owns NBC and that
they have a financial interest in the outcome of the election.

But pissing off Keith's viewers will inevitably lead to lower ratings which means less ad revenue. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #128
134. The crooks of the have-ever-more class don't care.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 12:37 AM by Amonester
If that happens, they'll just find another way to rip-off the lower classes even more.

That's how they've always done it in the last 30 years, and they R sure they'll do it again and again.

They know there are un-educated suckers born every second...

Proof : look at McInsane's curent numbers!
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:14 PM
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14. Boycott MSNBC, Maddow and all.
Fuck 'em.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. Oh good, then they will throw her off the air for low ratings. BS. n/t
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
68. I agree, wrong strategy...
watch Keith and Rachel and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE on MSNBC. Show them that the only reason their ratings had been climbing were because of Keith and Rachel. Fuck everything else. Catch the debates on C-Span or PBS.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #68
167. Hell, boycott the TV And stream their shows from the website.
Then they get some real numbers to play with.

My cable company Comcast doesn't even carry MSNBC, having dropped that station early this year in my market.

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #167
237. Mine doesn't carry
it, either. In fact, CNN is the only cable news channel it carries for the basic package.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #68
193. Bingo!
That is the tactic. Through negative resistance we can convert Olbermann and Maddow into the networks flagships.

Boycott absolutely EVERYTHING else.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. People need to realize MSNBC will have no clue if you're watching or not...
Unless you have a Nielsen Box to record what you're watching.

I'm guessing many DUers do not and so all the boycotting in the world will not be known.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. I assume people know that a boycott involves contacting their sponsors about it.
A big assumption, sometimes.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Not by DU standards...
When I see boycott, people always mean it by just "not watching".

As I think the poster below you thought, too.
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ComplimentarySwine Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. What about set-top boxes?
DirecTV/Dish/etc?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:39 PM
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43. I don't know...
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
61. Um
It is my understanding that with modern cable boxes, they do not need a nielsen bo x(obviously only with cable viewers). I would be happy to be corrected.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
74. I have a Neilsen Box.
My choices actually are exponated for my demography. However, Neilsen isn't the only thing they go for. It's all the telephone calls, emails and letters that figure in too.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
98. Tivo and other DVR services make a list of recorded programs
Ostensibly to give you suggestions due to your preferences. Those lists are available. I worked with Tivo for a few years.

It may not be included in the Neilson ratings, but they have that information.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #26
178. If you have a satellite receiver
such as DirecTV or Dish what you watch is used and often received by the networks as I understand it. So, what we may not necessarily need to be neilson families in order to have our watching patterns count.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #178
189. I don't see how satellite viewing can be reported.
Are you suggesting that home satellite receivers transmit viewership data back through the satellite? Satellite bandwidth is way too expensive to use it to measure millions of channel selections in real time, IMHO.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #26
187. Cable boxes are two-way. They report what you are watching every minute or so.
The two-way feature is ostensibly to authorize pay-per-view requests and such, but they also use it for audience measurement.

My company once had a half-hour program on the local cable system. After the show, they would show us graphs depicting viewership levels through the whole show. "You lost 100 viewers when you changed to that subject" - that sort of thing.

Satellite viewing or off-the-air rabbit-ears style viewing cannot be measured.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
39. That would be the Republican thing to do
I really don't think your overeaction is helping.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #14
194. NO, just watch the debates on CSpan and let MSNBC know you're doing that.
Just boycott David Gregory debate coverage. Easy.

Like others say, don't stop supporting Keith and Rachel, the two who have dared to issue scathing criticism of the worst presidency in US history.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #194
210. I agree. I watched MSNBC's coverage because of Olbermann
but now that he will be sidelined I'm going back to CSPAN just as I did in years previous.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
244. yes, we can always watch FIXEDNOISE
Any other brilliant ideas for us???

:eyes:
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:17 PM
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15. Worst news in a long long time...
Keith is about the only guy who speaks truth to power and now he's going to be "removed." Methinks this is just part of the Pukes strategy to steal the election yet again.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. Just shows how tightly owned the media is by the repukes and their lackeys.
I cannot believe that McSame had the nerve to file a complaint about MSNBC coverage...when every other network in the world is fawning and drooling over him...

If this isn't Fascism...I don't know what is...
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:19 PM
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17. I'll watch CNN. Gregory sucks. He is truly horrible.
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:59 PM
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52. CNN is biased too.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:14 PM
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66. CNN is one of the worst! I try not to even read their political
stuff as it almost causes the gag reflex. Extremely slanted! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :shrug:
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #66
132. Man, MSM is becoming a wasteland.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 12:28 AM by jjr5
Keith and Rachel are really the only points of light out there. Oh yeah and KARE 11 news, a CBS station in Minnesota. I'm from Minnesota and ppl there call it the DNC support channel. It's so slanted towards the left, it's slightly amusing.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #132
195. Uhm
Hate to be picky but...

Kare 11 is an NBC

Wcco 4 is CBS

Which of the two are you talking about? Neither of them seems all that liberal to me, but I admit I haven't watched television news much lately. Let me know.
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:41 PM
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255. My mistake!
I mean WCCO through CBS. Sorry for the error.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #255
260. thats ok.
Though I never noticed them being all that liberal. They do accomplish a bit more investigative journalism than other local outlets.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #66
140. To be fair, during the day, CNN is better than MSNBC.
I'm a political junkie and flip between channels from CNN to C-Span to MSNBC and ever since McBush canceled the interview with Larry King they (CNN) have gone negative on him as if to say: "This is what we do to the Democrats - and what we'll do to you if you don't agree to appear on King's show."

I'm pretty sure the moment McSame agrees to go on King's show, it's all lovey-dovey once again and Obama will be vilified just as originally planned.

Welcome to FASCIST America! Mussolini would've pinked a tear away were he alive today. His dream society has come true.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #17
103. CNN did a big segment on one Sunday morning show about MSNBC's anchors
They included Olbermann, Matthews and one piece where Scarbrough got into a big pissing match with someone (I can't remember who it was). They made it sound like MSNBC's coverage was just one big pissing match among the commentators and anchors.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:08 PM
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228. Joe was arguing
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 01:09 PM by BecauseBushSaysSo
With Davis Shuster. I won't watch if Keith isn't going to anchor the elections.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #228
258. I wish he could write most of the questions at least.
I figure no one will ask any hard questions, and they'll get off on stupid stuff.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:19 PM
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18. Now what freaking channel am I going to watch?
Gregory is worse than CNN, but better than Fox. I still fucking hate him.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #18
31. C-SPAN? That would be one.
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onefreespiritedchick Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #18
89. Agreed! Gregory is worse than CNN
And, doesn't try to hide it.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:45 AM
Response to Reply #18
160. How about......None!
The internet opens up a wide array of different ways to get news (and entertainment), and if you use it right, without tons of mind-numbing corporate sponsorship.

You may want to do some checking into the effects of television on the human brain. Not good. A big part of why we're here today.
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Sukie Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:19 PM
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19. I think emails to MSNBC are in order.
Let them know if you liked Keith doing the anchoring.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #19
101. I'll let them know
that lurching to the right won't work. The Nazis already have the rest of the broadcast media in their pocket. By refusing to cater to the majority, they exhibit poor business acumen. If you own any GE stock tell the board of directors you're very unhappy with this moronic decision.
it just means spending more time on line and Comedy Central where the fake news has more validity than the propaganda pushed by all the others.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #19
179. Absolutely -- here are some email addresses.....
viewerservices@msnbc.com, countdown@msnbc.com, hardball@msnbc.com, letters@msnbc.com
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:19 PM
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20. Who do we write to?
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Sukie Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:22 PM
Original message
A site to get email addresses
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:32 PM
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34. Thanks
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:01 PM
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92. I just sent the most angry letter possible. n/t
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #20
141. feedback@msnbc.com I believe. eom
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:22 PM
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24. I guess we all could learn to read again. nt
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #24
110. Except that I cancelled my local newspaper
after they fired most of the reporters, and get their stories from AP. We all know how unbiased AP has become.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #110
143. At the moment, CNN isn't all too bad. They've gone neg on McBush...
...ever since he canceled his appearance on The Larry King Show because the McPain camp thought Campbell Brown was too mean to Tucker something or another when she asked him to name ONE thing Pontius-Palin did in command of the Alaskan National Guard.

She was persistent but not half as obnoxious or tough on that Tucker guy than Brokaw was on Biden today on MTP.
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:22 PM
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25. Gregory is SUCH A HACK!! I am SO UPSET! Keith is the best-- and I've always stood by MSNBC bc of him
I'm so thoroughly disgusted.

I wonder how Chris and Keith are taking this-- they ought to be pretty pissed. Don't they anchor 2 of the top rated evening news commentary shows? Don't they have something to argue with?

How will I survive election night?
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:25 PM
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27. So, we the left, reward MSNBC by having our TVs tuned to their network we
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 09:34 PM by davidwparker
notice that "perceived shift to the political left" and DO NOT watch it when it is the usual RW nonsense that befits our corporate-ocracy.

Oh, and watch FSTV.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:26 PM
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29. People do know that "Countdown w/KO" isn't going anywhere, right?
They aren't dropping their No. 1 show.

Y'all know that, right?
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. They dropped Donahue........it was their # 1 show!
eom
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. But MSNBC is NOT dropping Countdown.
The linked article makes absolutely no mention of them cancelling "Countdown."

Y'all do understand that, right?
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
55. I know that......but watch and see how long until they do.
eom
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #29
154. Don't count on it..
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:08 AM by SoCalDem
Olbermann won't take this lying down.. He walked away before from "the Big Show"..

This is MSRNC wanting it both ways.. obviously the RNC is calling the shots , since any dem presence at their little shindig last week was tepid at best, and mostly absent...and this after a week of rabid scumbaggery by the repubilicans who infected OUR convention.. I predicted it would be that waym but deep down I had hoped for some parity..

The sad mess that our media has become, is sickening.. There is NO "major" news venue that is not overrun with right wingers..and ANY voice that threatens their stranglehols, in the least, is shouted down, and silenced :grr:
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:28 PM
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30. Never a problem shifting to the right though!
This is like firing Donahue all over again. Fucking NBC. Watch them shit can Keith and Rachel very soon....wouldn't want them influencing the election in any way!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:34 PM
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35. The difference between repugs and Dems
repugs hammer away at management until management caves. Dems think that sending letters and making phone calls doesn't make a difference, so they don't do it. I have a friend who is a news director for a local station. She has also worked with major news agencies in DC. She says that if the station gets ten or more HARD COPY letters on an issue, the management takes notice. The GOP gets this, but we still haven't caught on. That's why they are the small-but vocal-minority that has become the squeaky wheel that the media heeds.
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #35
49. You are absolutely right.
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 09:56 PM by benfranklin1776
McBush's camp wrote formal letters of complaint to the network and pummeled them relentlessly till they caved. This "work the umps" strategy is a staple of their playbook for many years, but not a lot of work is required on their part usually since the corporate media is so Republican friendly. However we seem reluctant to do the same. When I say we I don't mean people here at DU but the campaign staffers who make these decisions. As exNewsweek reporter Robert Parry has long documented at consortiumnews.com the corporate media bends over backwards to favor Republicans, yet we never call them out publicly for it and hammer them during campaigns like we should for their self evident bias. Obama's campaign should file the exact same letters of complaint with MSNBC when inevitably Brokaw and Williams bend over to curry favor with McBush and company, as well as other networks that do the same. The last two Presidential campaigns should have put to rest the notion that the corporate media is a fair arbiter. So while a deluge of hard copy letters from us is a good thing and a good idea, I think involvment by the campaign is a must as well. They cannot continue to pretend this bias does not exist.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:35 PM
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37. Recommended so people know wtf happened. Corporate fear shuts them up.
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rg123 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:36 PM
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38. Not Surprised
You could see the big shift right during the whole evangelical convention. The only person who was really calling the McCain campaign out was Rachael other then Keith when they tried to imply Iran was responsible for 9/11. This is not good news. I hope Rachael does not let them shut her up.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:37 PM
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40. the ONE mainstream station which had some real news....
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. Oh, but Scarborough and Buchanan can continue to blather on...
<snip>

The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palins plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way which MSNBC then reported.

Some staff members said the tension led to the networks decision to keep Mr. Olbermann in New York for the Republican convention, after he ran the desk in Denver during the Democratic convention. MSNBC said that he stayed in New York to anchor coverage of Hurricane Gustav. But some workers say there were other reasons namely, that Mr. Olbermann was concerned about his safety in St. Paul, given the loud crowds at MSNBCs set in Denver.

NBC Universal executives are also known to be concerned about the perception that MSNBCs partisan tilt in prime time is bleeding into the rest of the programming day. On a recent Friday afternoon, a graphic labeled Breaking News asked: How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket? Mr. Griffin called the graphic an embarrassment.

According to three staff members, Jeff Zucker, chief executive of NBC Universal, and Steve Capus, president of NBC News, considered flying to the Republican convention in Minnesota last week to address the lingering tensions.

<snip>
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:39 PM
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42. Tweety's been absolutely gushing over Palin.
Glad to see him go.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. I will only watch Countdown and Maddow until they
too are taken off the air. Then I will never tune in again.

This is ridiculous.

Pukes must be in a much worse situation than they appear to be are if they are really resorting to these kinds of tactics.

Strange that CNN seems to be the only network in the last couple days really calling the pukes on their BS.

I will watch their until they abandon objectivity once again.
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Stellen Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:44 PM
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45. This is the exact incentive I needed to disconnect the cable.
So NBC/MSNBC, you say good bye to this raw number: .|..

















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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:44 PM
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46. I'm shocked it took this long
General Electric and Universal did not become conglomerates by rocking the boat.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:29 PM
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79. exactly right
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:47 PM
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48. I enjoyed watching Olbermann and Matthews do election
coverage. I'm glad they'll both be analysts.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:49 PM
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50. The Message? "Mr. Olbermann, meet Dan Rather. And the rest of you better get your asses in line."
The corporate media is now reigning in their talking heads to do their job: deliver the White House to the GOP again.
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
56. I feel like this all has to do with media censorship of Palin.
All of a sudden right wing analysts started complaining that news anchors and the media were "liberal" and didn't respect gov. Palin. There may be a link. We should definitely send hard copy letters. Who's with me?


NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:58 PM
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51. After dancing with KKKarl Rove, little davie has ZERO creditibility.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:57 AM
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162. Thanks so much for posting that photo of this clown endorsing these dreary, clumsy maggots.
A man could NEVER compromise himself more than he has managed to do.

He's a pathetic, willing tool of the worst criminals the country has ever seen.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:00 PM
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53. Thank the RNC and the McCain campaign directly. Read the full piece. Sickening.
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 10:02 PM by chill_wind
"..In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.

The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.

In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate, Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday. Fighting the ratings game, he added, the bottom line is that were experiencing incredible success.

But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted NBC.



(...)


"...The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palins plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way which MSNBC then reported."



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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:00 PM
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54. Sounds like GE is hedging their bets on the election. If Obama was far ahead, this wouldn't happen.
GE is just worried now that McGrampy & the Nazi might come to power, in which case they don't want to piss them off. If Obama were running stronger, I bet this wouldn't be a problem.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:06 PM
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57. I'm not surprised.
Keith has no finesse, he is a sledgehammer.

Gregory is an absolute puke with only one goal, to become another Russert (in all the worst ways).

Perhaps they'll eventually land on Rachael. She wields words and truth like a master surgeon with a fine scalpel.

....
....
....this sucks.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:01 PM
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93. Keith is great. Scarborough is the sledgehammer -- and a much
more obnoxious one. They should have rid themselves of Scarborough. I would never watch him. Olbermann was their best draw, the best they had.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:50 AM
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151. You talk like he died.
He's still there and doing his usual show.

Scarface is a dick and if there is justice in this world he will be reincarnated as a slug that gets salted.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:57 PM
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225. Thanks. I had misunderstood the post. My husband also corrected
my misunderstanding.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:09 PM
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58. I plan to watch the debates on C-SPAN
I'd rather not have any commentary.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:09 PM
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59. MSNBC's ratings are so 'in the tank'....who gives a shit? eom
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:09 PM
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60. Eh, I think it's a good thing.
I would rather have Olbermann in an analysist role, giving him far more leeway to speak his mind on the news of the day, than in having him behind a desk going to that ridiculous group of Pat Buchanan, et al. to see what they think. David Gregory's not a crazy right-winger. He's a fairly reliable, moderate anchor. Replacing Olbermann with him frees up space for Olbermann to be even more opinionated than before -- of course, it may not play out that way, but I'm still curious to see what form the new news takes.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:27 PM
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77. Yes, maybe he'll express his opinion more this way. NT
NT
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:07 AM
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201. Thanks for the only cool-headed reply so far.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:07 AM by fjc
Love Keith, but there's some things he can't do by way of his constitution. Being the kind of anchor that most MSM outlets want ain't one of em.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:13 PM
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254. I usually like MSNBC like most here, but
I had to change the channel several times because the essentially unmoderated panel got so out of hand that I simply couldn't watch it anymore.

There were times when I thought that Chris and Keith were going to "take it outside."

And Pat Buchanan isn't my fave, but I don't want to see him die on the air, either from a coronary or by being strangled by Rachel Maddow.

Someone has to defuse the wild stuff, and neither Olberman nor Matthews were able to do it.

Gregory will get his chance, but I'm not sure that he's up to it.

Paging the ghosts of Huntley and Brinkley. Mr. Huntley, Mr. Brinkley, please pick up the NBC courtesy phone in the lobby.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:12 PM
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62. So it's MSNBC's fault...
.... the Repug Convention & McCain's "big" speech sucked?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:12 PM
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:30 PM
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80. Hi Freeper..
I suspect you won't last long before you get a nice Digiorno!
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:34 PM
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82. Thanks for playing! And you won't go home empty-handed; here's a nice slab of cool marble for you!
Enjoy! :bounce:
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:08 AM
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157. Yup.


DU has a right to be biased, unlike the non-existant 'mainstream media'. Corporate media, like all monopolies and cartels, needs to be broken up.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:01 PM
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94. Countdown is not imploding
It still beats O'Lielly's show.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:47 AM
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139. windjumper?
Izzat like "breaking wind"? T'would seem so.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:13 PM
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64. Maybe next they will decide to replace Jon Stewart
with Larry the Cable Guy.Assholes.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:18 PM
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69. So, I suppose as it is, they will lose my support.. David Gregory is a shill.
He is extremely biased for Republicans.. E-mail please. Seriously, can we have one channel with a normal viewpoint from the left.. The Repigs own every other channel. It is seeminly apparent that the work is in for the theft of the '08 election. Hopefully Keith and Rachel will help deafen some of the spin... CNN is using their UNscientific poll to somehow suggest that McCain and Obama are tied. Who, on a Sunday, is taking that poll besides people spaming it. AND then they come on to say, hey look at the CNN poll.. like it is significant. Faux Noise is obviously biased. CNN is trying its best to keep up with FOX.. the big networks, NBC, CBS, and ABC are so bland and hyped towards the Republicans, it makes me want to puke.
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:25 AM
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131. Even better, type a letter -
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 12:26 AM by jjr5
and send it to:

NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:38 AM
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149. Ok, will do. I can multi-task.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:08 AM
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185. Too Bad We Are Relegated To Watching ONLY Democracy Now or C-Span or
some alternative news to actually get informed. I actually stopped watching MSM for the most part and stuck with the others, but I still hear this crap from alternative channels.

Let me correct, I hear MSM's news repeated by them by way of being informative as to what is going on. They just keep us informed about this kind of stuff, not agree with them.

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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:19 PM
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70. Olbermann and Maddow
I will continue to watch them. I may even sneak in a bit of Tweety from time to time (his antics amuse me). Other than that NBC can rot in hell.

... I might even stop watching The Office -_-"
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:21 PM
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72. Ahhhhh....here's the real complaint!
from the article:

The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palins plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way which MSNBC then reported.

The fact that it was reported in real time was very embarrassing, said a senior MSNBC official. We were told, No, its not Sarah Palin and you dont know who it is.


So, McCain's people were mad at MSNBC for telling the truth. And now NBC is ashamed it did and is bullied into changing hosts.

OK I get it!

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:26 PM
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76. Such Bull Shit, what's next? n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:25 PM
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73. Have right-wing hosts ever been called "Incendiary"...
...in a NY Times headline?

Sean Hannnity
Bill O'Reilly
Brit Hume
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:42 PM
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88. Not even when their books
are found in the houses of sociopathic murders.

THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!

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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:26 PM
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75. Send emails to letters@msnbc.com
The far right has probably staged one of their mass protests against coverage
that differs from their views. We just have to send our opinions, too.


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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:04 AM
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123. Thanks for the address.
I've sent my note, telling them that I watched their election coverage for 6 to 9 hours/night when Olbermann and Matthews were sharing anchor duties, but that I will not watch Gregory.

Let them put that in their pipes and smoke it.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:27 PM
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78. Why not have Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin anchor?
Shouldn't have any worries then about a "perceived shift to the left".




Poor America; at one time so brilliant. Now so fucking dumb.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:31 PM
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81. The MSNBC suits can call it "political left"; I call it "common sense." And MSNBC is now dead to me.
It was nice to have coverage that ran counter to the usual right-wing cable fodder.

Of course, it was too good to be true.
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AldebTX Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:36 PM
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83. Well There Goes the Fun
Whats wrong with a little fireworks. Gregory BORES me.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:37 PM
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84. Guess Gregory's bias okay. If they'd just not tried to talk so much.
Too many anchors sent, and that's management's fault. Tension for trying to fill time equally and with all of them frayed nerves.
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:38 PM
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85. Curious to see Keith talk about it on Countdown
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:40 PM
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86. Guess There Will Be No Need To Turn The TV On Then
In fact, I'm thinking the first place I should cut back is cable television.
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onefreespiritedchick Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:41 PM
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87. For the life of me, I do not understand...
How Faux news can continue their Right-Wing agenda, but the Left cannot or barely. It is as if we cannot have a voice? "The Liberal Media", yeah right.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:51 PM
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91. Thats the plan man, pretty soon we will only have the internet and go to
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 10:52 PM by EV_Ares
european papers to get the news.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:45 PM
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90. This upsets me.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:02 PM
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95. What about Scarborough's incendiary comments?
What about Pat Buchanan's rightwing biased ranting?

And David Gregory's tap dancing with Rove?

So in the end they'll be left with David & Doc-Bloc? And no audience at all.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:03 PM
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96. So, this is what it's like to live in nazi Germany...
I want to jump out a window tonight. This is unreal. SOMETHING has to be done about this NBC bullshit. Can't we organize a protest at 30 Rock or something? I'm fucking seething right now.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:11 AM
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203. Geez. Nazi Germany. Get a life.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:04 PM
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97. Keith and Chris are the only ones we watch!
K and R
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:10 PM
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100. No guts, no glory
guess the execs are chickens at heart.
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BayjanDem Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:12 PM
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102. Are we SURPRISED?????
The corporate media (insert WHORE) clearly doesn't want to rock the right wing leaning boat. I'm surprised K.O was anchoring at all. NBC had a chance to separate itself. This is outrageous. Wake TFU America.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:16 PM
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104. I'm so fucking sick and tired of this bullshit!
ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP!!! THEY ARE TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION AGAIN. THIS WILL BE 3 FUCKING TIMES NOW. THE ONLY THING TO DO AT THIS POINT IS TO BOYCOTT THE PARENT COMPANIES.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:23 PM
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107. I'm guessing it's the McCain campaign...working the refs again.
:puke:
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:24 PM
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108. OMG.....I am sick to my stomach. They are trying to stomp out our voice!!!
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:28 PM
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109. The country I've known for 68 years is no more---I miss it!
It's so hard to fathom that anyone with cognitive ability can support Republicans of today----sad, sad, sad!
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:22 AM
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130. I try to tell people that all the time but it's like they're in some kind of stupor
And they can't recognize what's happening right in front of their eyes.

When, or if, they ever wake up it's going to be too late.

It's probably too late already.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:44 PM
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111. I won't watch. Gregory might as well be working at Fox News.
I suppose this is his reward for dancing with Rove at the last Press dinner. This was the only station I felt good about watching. News people that went beyond the BS. Now we are back to the corporate media because we are close to election time. I am not going to play there games. I simply will not watch.

C-span will be where I watch the debates and gain further information on the candidates.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:48 PM
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112. The truth is inherently liberal.
Which is way Republicans have been whining about the media being bias for the last few decades.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:48 PM
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113. Senile drunk Tom Brokaw's behind this
He has always resented Olbermann's rapid rise within the network hierarchy because he didn't pay his dues as a reporter. And because he occasionally interrupted when brokaw was giving a republican an on air blow job.
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savistocate Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:55 PM
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116. Send emails----Yes brokaw -jeolousy& his /like him
polit BIAS.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:52 PM
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114. Most likely msn wants to secure an advertisement contract
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:53 PM
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115. I sent my email.
It makes me sick.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:56 PM
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117. I wondered how long this would last
NBC was the first network to pull back on declaring Florida for Gore in 2000. The President walked around the newsroom election night 2000 and kept pressuring people to call Florida and the election for Bush.

I'm surprised they kept it up this long.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:57 PM
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119. David Gregory s***s John McCains d**k.
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 11:58 PM by McCamy Taylor
I know this will be deleted, and I apologize for the bad language, but it's true. They must not have liked KO's comment about the 9/11 docudrama that tried to blame Iran for 9/11 that he said revived his PTS memories.
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pyro858 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:00 AM
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120. Shut your Tv's off
We all know the media is full of crap, so why watch it.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:02 AM
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121. Appropriate strategy is watch CNN when it covers stuff Gregory is anchoring.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 12:05 AM by McCamy Taylor
CNN is better anyway---better support team, graphics, maps--the works. Only watched MSNBC because of KO. If there is an event that both networks are covering, watch CNN and then get the KO commentary from DU.

Keep watching Countdown and Rachel Maddow to keep their ratings high. Boycott Gregory and his show. Hell, Matthews is better than that kiss ass Gregory. At least Matthews has honest opinions, and he is intelligent even if he has no impulse control.

Tom Brokaw is such a McCain/RNC toady. He must be getting a big fat paycheck from some defense contractors. I remember when he was an idiot on the Today Show.

I strongly recommend that people read my journals about the MSNBC coverage of the primaries to refresh their memories about who said what---so that they can remember how certain people like Brokaw pandered for McCain all the way back on the night of the Iowa primary, declaring him the presumptive GOP nominee before he ever won a primary.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:59 AM
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152. Thanks for saving me the time typing...agree 100%.
On 'meaningful' threads I try to find someone that agrees with my viewpoint. Saves typing for these tired old digits. You're spot on.

Cafferty, et al, on CNN is a good balance.

Michael Moore on Larry King Live the other night was a good show.

You should begin a new thread stating the above.







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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:03 AM
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122. Gregory...the back up traitor for MC Rove
I can't stand that POS. I will have to grit my teeth to watch them. Damn. Even Micky or Minnie Mouse would be less objectionable than that TWIT
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:06 AM
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124. What a crock of shit
Signs were there last week when they sent KO back to NY to "cover the hurricane". I have a feeling they are not going to keep KO - I have the feeling he has the integrity to take their crap. The loser in this may be Rachel.

I've sent off my email to MSNBC for all the good it will do. And I will continue to email.

Note KO and Tweety will be still on as analysts for the debates. So I'll be real curious to see how this is handled.

Problem is of course that MSNBC is the only cable news net tied in to one of the big 3 networks, CBS, ABC, NBC. Sure CNN does some contributions to CBS but CBS could give a damn less how Anderson Cooper covers politics on CNN. Its Brokaw and Williams and the news management of NBC (plus I wouldn't be surprised Jack Welch is meddling behind the scenes) who have their shorts in a twist.

I wish NBC would just spin out MSNBC and let them be their own network and their own identity and not worry if they are embarassing the brand.

Well once more the RW noise and whine machine has won!
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:12 AM
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125. "Incendiary hosts"???
Those guys are too far to the right for me.

And the times (small t's intended), former "newspaper of record", has gone so far right they're almost back at left again. How does any "news organization" as unprovocative as the times dare tag anyone "incendiary"? A wet baby diaper would appear incendiary juxtaposed with the times.

I rarely watch TV news anymore, or TV for that matter, period. I'm convinced subliminal messages are being used on unsuspecting viewers. There is no other way to explain the current psychological miasma America is in. It has to be mind control and, IMO, TV is a well tested tool for accomplishing that task.

No kidding.
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organic Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:17 AM
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126. What Liberal Media?
This is why I always laugh my ass of whenever I hear some pissy Republican whine about how they are *boo-hoo* so wrongfully maligned by The Right Wing-Run Media. Excuse me?

First off, the networks are "run" by revenue from commercial sales. aka: sponsors. Big money. Big companies. Big interests. aka: Republicans. Secondly, most Presidents and/or CEO's of major networks golf at the same country club The Bushies do.

I'll miss Olbermans disclaimers and apologies for the biased, idiotic and reprehensible behavior (*see the rerunning of that 9/11 insult at the RNC) of his MSNBC fascists...er....colleagues.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:17 AM
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127. Predictable that Brokaw complained
About as gutless a journalist as you can get.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:19 AM
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129. The Greatest Bloviation
Brokaw SUX.
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organic Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:29 AM
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133. What Right-Wing Media??
This is why I always laugh my ass of whenever I hear some pissy Republican whine about how they are *boo-hoo* so wrongfully maligned by The Right Wing-Run Media. Excuse me?

First off, the networks are "run" by revenue from commercial sales. aka: sponsors. Big money. Big companies. Big interests. aka: Republicans. Secondly, most Presidents and/or CEO's of major networks golf at the same country club The Bushies do.

I'll miss Olbermans disclaimers and apologies for the biased, idiotic and reprehensible behavior (*see the rerunning of that 9/11 insult at the RNC) of his MSNBC fascists...er....colleagues.

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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:39 AM
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135. Olbermann and Matthews were both way over the line, especially towards Hillary
I'm glad to hear they've gotten demoted.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:56 AM
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145. Yeah
Maybe if you're lucky, they'll put Coulter and Matalin in their places for you!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:04 AM
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146. Tweety was a bit sexist at the beginning but KO
was only calling the Clinton campaign on the crap they were pulling on Obama - now some of which McCain is using in his ads.
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NurseLefty Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:41 AM
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136. I wonder if KO will have a Special Comment for his bosses at NBC
- though probably not, as they could do away with him altogether. I am very, very frightened about what is happening to our press.

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

(BTW, I've been away from DU for a while. Been busy with life. Glad to be back.)
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Dead Elephant Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:46 AM
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138. I bet it was Keith Olbermans responce to the RNC exploiting 911
He expressed his disgust with the GOP's exploitation of 911 at the RNC before McSame's speech.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3302...
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:33 AM
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148. Couldn't they just balance it out by adding Scarborough to the lineup?
I'd rather hear Keith speak truth and Scarborough spew bullshit than two supposedly "neutral" anchors just spew bullshit.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:02 AM
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153. Anybody heard of FOXNEWS?!?! Why can we not have some SMART liberal people
to counter those Foxnews idiots? Oh yeah - cause they republicans BITCH and MOAN like the little pussies they are about the "liberal" media when in fact right wing hatred dominates the radio as well as their OWN FUCKING "NEWS" CHANNEL. There is not a SINGLE major even semi-liberal news channel - NOT ONE! God damnint I wish some media groups would stand up to these assholes. Kill your TV - The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (evidently)!!! :grr: :mad:
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:55 AM
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156. Some MSNBC contacts.
Sent email messages, probably to no avail, but...

hardball@msnbc.com

countdown@msnbc.com

viewerservices@msnbc.com

Mail Addresses:

MSNBC TV
One MSNBC Plaza
Secaucus, N.J. 07094

NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112


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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:25 AM
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158. looks like I'll be watching the debates on C-Span
I'll set up DVR to record Olbermann, and Maddow

but aside from channelsurfing pauses for the crawler... pffffffffttttt..
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Zombie2 Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:34 AM
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159. I'll be watching on CSPAN.......
...and as always, I'll tell everyone I know to do the same.

CSPAN :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:51 AM
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161. Then my "experiment" with MSNBC "appears to be over" too.
I wrote those nitwits last night and told them so too. I'll stick with PBS and C-SPAN from now on, and catch Keith & Rachel online.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:53 AM
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171. Good plan and well put.
Same with me.

I've got my alternative news sources and I'll go back to them.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:07 AM
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164. David Gregory is going to take over - a McBush water carrier.
These fucking companies are worried about losing their war profits - that's the real excuse. I'm spitting mad.
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zenj8 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:14 AM
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165. Gregory is nowhere near the caliber of Olbermann
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 06:27 AM by zenj8
David Gregory is clearly not objective. I will continue to watch Olbermann, Maddow, and as much of the election coverage on MSNBC as I can. If Gregory becomes intolerable, I will try CSPAN or CNN (they have been watchable lately).
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Cptn_Krunch Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:34 AM
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166. Support for Keith Olbermann
I read the news a few hours ago about NBC/MSNBC's decision.
I have been emailing everyone connected with Olbermann.

This is the text of my email;

Hi there,

Please forward this email to Keith, for some reason MSNBC has neglected to provide an email address for Mr Olbermann.

Keith,
I read this morning that you, along with Chris Matthews, have been deleted from "anchoring" election coverage by the powers that be at NBC/MSNBC.

I stopped watching broadcast and cable news years ago because of their inability to cover current events in a manner that doesn't insult the intelligence of their viewing audience.
If a news organization wants to talk to adult Americans like we're not as smart as a fifth grader that is their right of course, but they should be aware that most young Americans under the age of eleven are not watching broadcast or cable news.
So if they want to reach that demographic they should try to get their news programming on one of the juvenile channels.

What caught you in my eye was the buzz about your show, "Countdown", I encountered a little over a year ago in the course of my cruising for news on the web.
The internet being my primary news resource nowadays.
I have tried to catch your "Countdown" show as often as possible since the first evening I watched it/you.
Excellent coverage and commentary of current events, and at times you even drive me to research a particular quip or quote you've made.
Actually, in all honesty, your show is the only news show that I will sit down for.

And now...this morning I read that you have been banned by NBC/MSNBC from live coverage of the '08 election because you have hurt "someone's feelings".
Well, tell the "powers that be" at NBC/MSNBC that I decided to watch the DNC and RNC convention coverage on "MSNBC" instead of CSPAN only because you would be there to co-anchor those events.
By the way, I really thought the "get a shovel" comment you made to Joe "dirt" Scarborough was completely appropriate and hilarious!
So, if your "Polly Annish" bosses want to restrict your exposure to your "Countdown" show then they will effectively limit my viewership of MSNBC to five hours a week.
Although I will be giving Ms Maddow a day in court this evening to see if her show is worthy of me doubling my cable news viewing to ten hours a week. ;)
I think the "powers that be" at NBC/MSNBC have made a big mistake in their decision to pull you from their live '08 election coverage.
I was looking forward to seeing and listening to you during the debates and election night coverage.

To conclude, thank you for the only "decent" reporting of current events available to Americans on cable/broadcast TV.
I hope that you have many more years of access to to the American public, whether or not you continue to work for the "nervous nellies" at NBC/MSNBC or not.

Best regards,
Your ever ardent viewer and loyal listener,
XXXXXXXXX
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:44 AM
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169. First, they take them out of the debates. How long before KO is looking
for a new job? I hope he addresses this, and I too will be writing some e-mails.

Let's create some tension from the left, too.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:50 AM
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170. Just like they ditched Donahue and replaced him with the Weiner Man.
Like Weiner wasn't incendiary... :eyes:

I guess they think the fix is in the bag.

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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:12 AM
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172. MSNBC Drops Olbermann, Matthews as News Anchors
Source: WashingtonPost.com

MSNBC is removing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as the anchors of live political events, bowing to growing criticism that they are too opinionated to be seen as neutral in the heat of the presidential campaign.David Gregory, the NBC newsman and White House correspondent who also hosts a program on MSNBC, will take over during such events as this fall's presidential and vice presidential debates and election night.
The move, confirmed by spokesmen for both networks, follows increasingly loud complaints about Olbermann's anchor role at the Democratic and Republican conventions. Olbermann, who regularly assails President Bush and GOP nominee John McCain on his "Countdown" program, was effusive in praising the acceptance speech of Democratic nominee Barack Obama. He drew flak Thursday when the Republicans played a video that included a tribute to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that if the networks had done that, "we would be rightly eviscerated at all quarters, perhaps by the Republican Party itself, for exploiting the memories of the dead, and perhaps even for trying to evoke that pain again. If you reacted to that videotape the way I did, I apologize."But NBC News journalists, who often appear on the cable channel, did see a problem, arguing behind the scenes that MSNBC's move to the left -- which includes a new show, debuting tonight, for Air America radio host Rachel Maddow -- was tarnishing their reputation for fairness. Tom Brokaw, the interim host of "Meet the Press," said that at times Olbermann and Matthews went too far.


Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:12 AM
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173. This just in...I drop MSNBC for election/debate night coverage!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:12 AM
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174. That's right
the only fun thing about watching them has been that we occasionally get a word in edgewise.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:12 AM
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175. I have Comcast which dropped already dropped MSNBC
No partisanship there :puke: but I would catch some of it online. These bastards never stop...
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:14 AM
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176. what absolute fucking bullshit.
... too opinionated to be seen as neutral in the heat of the presidential campaign ... " ?????


:wtf: :nuke: :wtf:
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:18 AM
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177. Too bad the P-word is sexist.
That's what I called them in my email. I hope everybody starts screaming at them,
big time.

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footinmouth Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:38 AM
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181. I love these guys
but I have to agree. I watched their convention coverage. I flipped around through CNN, FOX and MSNBC. I always went back to Chris and Keith because they left me in a happy place and told me what I wanted to hear. I knew it was only their perception, but it was the same as mine and I felt good. Looks like I'll have to watch the returns on cspan (yawn).
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:46 AM
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182. It Was Only a Matter of Time


It's not as if a DoD contractor like GE was going to mess around forever.

They're war profitters ... what can we expect?

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protect our future Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:49 AM
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183. Amazing, how our country is scammed into believing the myth
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 08:51 AM by protect our future
of the left-wing bias -- that it exists in the MSM -- when, in truth, a left-wing bias is NOT ALLOWED on your viewing screen if too many people might be exposed to it. A right-wing bias however is perfectly fine.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:02 AM
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184. I've Been Saying For Years Now... WE MUST UNITE Against This Kind Of Stuff!
Just writing them and expecting THEM to listen to us is really USELESS!! How many times have thousands upon thousands if not hundreds of thousands people written and only received the "standard reply" by them?

Goes something like, thank you for contacting us, we appreciates your interest and while we CAN'T answer every letter, blah, blah, blah!

If Repukes "steal" ANOTHER election, will people then begin to realize that nothing less than A REVOLUTION is the only answer?? I know, I've been saying it since forever, but I have NO OTHER answer... we will NEVER get our voices heard until we rise up. And I'm well AWARE that many, many of you think this is over the line, but give me another solution or some "alternative" action we can take to STOP THIS!!

I live in Florida and still vote, but I can't say I actually believe my vote has been counted for years now. I just heard a guy call in on C-Span saying that IF ANYONE WANTED "fair and balanced news" they should watch FOX NEWS!!

Puuullleeeezzze!!!!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:00 AM
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186. Boy, the M$M are doing all that they can to move people to the intertubes
for news, aren't they? I mean, who the hell would spend time watching Gregory? Only those people who'd prefer to watch Fox or its companion network CNN.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:08 AM
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188. I don't have a problem with it
As long as KO is still in the mix, having a seasoned journalist in the lead isn't necessarily a bad thing. Even Faux Noise keeps Hannity and their other bloviating jackasses out of the lead seat. Brit Hume - right winger that he is - is an experienced journalist who knows how to play the game.

KO is too prone to giving his opinion and no matter how right he is (and he was dead-fucking-on about the disgusting RNC 9/11 video) you can't let your opinion spill over into your reporting.

The upside of this is KO is now free to call it as he sees it. He doesn't have to be "objective" any longer and can spill his guts to the audience. I anxiously await hearing from a free Olbermann.

:popcorn:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:33 AM
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200. It's not like they are tying their tubes. This is okay by me too.
If anything, it adds credibility to KO's network and puts pressure on Faux to separate news and opinion.
The exec's know what they are doing, I'd say, and are acting in the interest of the Network.
They are distinguishing themselves in the faux-blather world of biased news reporting.

Olberman's strong point is his ability to express opinions.
He should be employed doing what he does best.
And, he probably agrees with this decision because of that.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:47 AM
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215. Time will tell
If Olbermann and Matthews agree with this decision how will we know? :shrug:
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:02 PM
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235. Still the major problem with this is...
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:03 PM by MessiahRp
This suggests that David Gregory is somehow unbiased (which has been far from the truth in his inability to stay neutral rather than support McCain on that Road to the White House show). Same as Fox suggesting Brit Hume is unbiased.

And all the while these "unbiased" people as they are presented to the average viewer, carry water and protect John McCain it further waters down any responses to the BS given by Olbermann or Matthews if they get to respond at all on the panels because the audience will already be trained to believe that they are the partisans so they should respond negatively to anything McCain says even if it is an outright lie. The non-partisan, "fair" journalist David Gregory who is protecting McCain is doing so because he's being fair.

Aka the perception will be that attacks from McCain or even rebuttals to McCain lies will be partisan and Gregory's repeating talking points and smears will be legit because they come from the "balanced moderator".

There is a perception shift that will occur to the regular viewer who may not be as into politics as the people here on DU and that seems to be the suggested effect they want here.

Rp
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:09 AM
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190. Why the hell did MSNBC have to air their dirty laundry in public?
Makes them look like a bunch of fools! I hate to say it but they were a bit of an embarassment during the Dem convention beginning with the location of the stupid outdoor set.

But my gosh they needed to take them all in to a room and just lay down the law like any management would do and iron out the problems there. Not take the story to the NYT.

Stupid.

IMHO while I think KO may be a bit of a prima donna(probably can't stand some of the stupidity/bias he has to work with), Tweety and Scarborough are definitely prima donnas, I think there's a lot of jealousy of KO at the network and a lot of people out to get him. And that Brokaw and Williams are jealous of him and think him not in their league. News to those 2 - you're the old media. I doubt if network news in its current form will last the nest few years if the decade. KO and Rachel are the future of news/political talk.

Tells me the management is the biggest bunch of jerks!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:56 AM
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216. I liked the outdoor set at the convention
It made me feel like there really are people who care what happens in politics out there. Real people, average Americans, not only talking heads and networks. OK I'm sure some were plants but it seemed real enough. I thought maybe they got the idea from reality shows. Show democracy as it is, not all slicked up to project some image or other. Show some of The People. Great marketing idea, don't you think?
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:11 AM
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191. I e-mailed them...maybe we can force a change
I reminded them that KO is responsible for their ratings jump in the last few years, thanks largely to the Special Comments. Those of us on the left deserve a voice. As long as Billo has a job, KO should be untouchable. I won't boycott KO or Rachel, but they can cram the rest of the programming where the sun doesn't shine.
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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:13 AM
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192. Well, I will be boycotting MSNBC when it comes to the debates and
Election night coverage UNLESS this ruling change
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:23 AM
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196. Thanks to NBC for promoting CSpan !! CSpan Folks !!
Putting David Gregory in as debate anchor will help CSpan gain viewers. That's great.
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silex Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:11 AM
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202. I second that motion
because of the convention coverage I have never watched Cspan so much. Now I know I made the right move. :applause:
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JEB Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:32 AM
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199. Way to go NBC
Demote your hugely successful Reality Based anchor, Keith Olbermann. I'm sure you did this for business reasons and not to placate your Right Wing bosses. We can't let too much Truth be shown to the public. After all where would the GOP be if all their lies were exposed?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:18 AM
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205. Your headline calling Olbermann incendiary is not acceptable
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:20 AM by ooglymoogly
to me nor should it be, I hope, to anyone on DU.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:20 AM
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206. Since WHEN did telling the truth become incendiary????
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:21 AM by AnneD
This isn't America anymore and if McCain wins....the nail is in the coffin.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:12 PM
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231. When talking about the GOP, its only incendiary *because* its the truth.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:28 AM
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207. David Gregory is even more of a dolt than Wolf Blitzer
And that's saying something.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:29 AM
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208. Gregory's newfound love affair with HIMSELF, has made him even more dull and doddering.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:33 AM by ShortnFiery
:puke:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:40 AM
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214. Did Anyone Really Think the Corporate Owned Media would be unbiased?
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:41 AM by fascisthunter
People, not here, but in government had to have seen this coming.... corporations are controlled by corporate interests which favor Republicans and conservative corporate friendly democrats.

You now see the privileged deciding what we, the average American citizen will and can see for news coverage. That's fascist control of our media....
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:01 PM
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218. I called! everyone else please call and say "viewer comment line, please"
then tell them you're ticked off/offended/disgusted that Olbermann and Matthews have been yanked from hosting and that was the only reason you watch MSNBC.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:05 PM
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219.  212-664-4444 212-664-4444 212-664-4444 CALL CALL CALL
ask for viewer comment line.

I thought the number would have been given in this thread by now
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:13 PM
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220. Tell MSNBC off
email msnbc that they are major cowards for benching Keith & Chris.

email NBC that you will only watch Keith and Chris and NEVER NBC!!!

email microsoft and complain

Tivo or set your satellite to record only Keith NEVER brokaw (right wing tool)
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:19 PM
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221. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:23 PM
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222. THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW tonight at 9 !!!!!
Hope you knock the socks off Hannity tonight Rachel. Your brilliant tenacity is admirable, you are a fresh voice to the msm. Hannity and his minions spout deceit and deception which has sadly become "The American Way" www.samsva.org
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:04 PM
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227. I will only support Keith and Rachel and then the TV goes off.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 01:05 PM by alyce douglas
Keith has Obama on tonite too.
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Dinosaur13 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:09 PM
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229. It's actually a good thing and i'll tell you why.
First of all, I love KO and he is not going away. Countdown is the one program that makes it worth even having a TV. He will be moved to the pundit desk with Rachael and Pat Buchanan. Have you seen Rachael in that setting?

He'll be able to say exactly what's on his mind, which is the best thing that could have possibly happened.

peace and steady on.
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TxBlue Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:33 PM
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232. Support Keith Olbermann and Sign Petition to bring him back!!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bringback /

NY Times has reported that NBC is taking Keith Olbermann off anchor duties from election night coverage. Seems to be due to Mcnasty operatives whining to NBC execs that they were afraid coverage was not unbiased. Read more here:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_removes...

This is so bogus. What is this?? Smells of r o v ian m af i a

BTW I really like Keith O. and Rachel M. They are replacing Keith with David Gregory. Ick! and boring and a k r ov e drone. Please go to this site and sign this petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bringback /

If they get rid of Keith there really wont be unbiased reporting!
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:49 PM
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233. Email with complaints
viewerservices@msnbc.com, countdown@msnbc.com, hardball@msnbc.com, letters@msnbc.com
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:04 PM
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236. Some thoughts
Hi all, I am a long-time lurker and short-time poster on DU. Media bias is probably one of the most frequently discussed topics I've seen on here, at least since finding DU in 2004.

The way I see it is pretty simple Media is a business. Just like if I owned a lemonade stand or sold widgets on the internet. You're creating a product that people want to buy. Media is no different; it is profitable and creates a product that the consumer finds value in. So why do we always demand that it behave differently than any other business? Would we like every newspaper and news show to be non-biased? Sure, it'd be great if the public could be informed without political commentary. But if you started your own newspaper, would you appreciate people screaming bloody murder for regulations and laws to change the way you do business simply because they don't like what you say? Big Media is really just your town newspaper on a larger scale; they're both businesses. They both are creating a product for profit. Big Media has a legal right to disseminate what they want; is it morally right? No. Do we always like what they say? No. Do the repukes? No. But we can't force them through laws, regulations and "media fairness" rules to think our way. We need to 1) speak with our dollars against their advertisers and 2)create a product that people want. Fox News and RW radio have thrived on this by creating a product that hate mongering war-lovers enjoy; we've somewhat done the same with Olbermann, but for some reason Air America never got even close to the popularity of RW radio. I know we're selling a message that people believe in, so what's the deal? Is it just not sexy or entertaining enough because we don't purposely stir up hate in our listeners and viewers like RW radio and falafel boy?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:41 PM
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239. Welp there goes their ratings ...down the drain.
:puke:
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ciking724 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:54 PM
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240. Maybe Warren Buffet can put up money for new cable news network
Maybe Warren Buffet can put up money for new cable news network and use Keith and Chris as anchors. Buffet is an Obama support and, therefore, sane. It would pull viewers from all the other major networks, just like CNN did over a decade ago.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:04 PM
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241. Actually CNN just took the high road which faux isn't about to do.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:05 PM by superconnected
They didn't want to be the left wing equivalent to fox (biased news) and I think they're right.

And yeah I love those anchors but they belong on Air America not on a national news channel toting their own (and my) values. News should not be politically biased.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:09 PM
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242. Let me get this straight...KO keeps Countdown, right?
If that's correct I'll save my fight.

We should all know by now that live coverage of the political events are best watched on C-Span, PBS or online. Without the talking head interruptions and yes, that means KO as well. If I tune in to hear Obama I don't want to hear Keith speaking over him.

I'd rather KO in an arena where he can speak freely and have my full attention.

MSNBC has made it much easier for me to define my viewing schedule...KO, Maddow and that's all she wrote.

I have to say, corporate media denial is far scarier than the oft-sniffed at "low information voters".


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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:12 PM
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243. I hate MSNBC ownership
They get rid of Donahue who had the highest rated show on their network because he would be an uncomfortable face. Can they figure out why they had the highest ratings during DNC.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:05 PM
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247. Too bad Redford wouldn't expand Sundance to include a News Channel.
He could even team with George Soros - at least for the financial end of things.

Put Michael Moore on as an anchor. Al Gore as news director.

All truth all the time no matter who it pisses off.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:16 PM
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248. Well, that sucks...
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 05:17 PM by latte_liberal_86
Keith and Chris (and Keith in particular..)were the two damn best anchors, at least out of the MSM's coverage. And the McSame crowd has the nerve to bitch about "the liberal media bias"? What the fuck ever! :grr:

Thank God they will still be allowed to be commentators, though. Otherwise, it would be off to C-Span for me...

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JfortheDonks Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:50 PM
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249. What Happened To Free Speech?!
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 05:54 PM by JfortheDonks
I don't care if they are news anchors, or what their positions are there, Keith and Chris should be allowed a little freedom of speech. Listening to "Morning Joe" is enough to gag everyone, too, but yet, we have to digest "that", don't we?! I love both Keith and Chris - you guys ROCK!!! Yeah, thank God they can at least be commentators.
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:58 PM
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250. For REAL news watch PBS's Jim Lehrer
I was waiting for this ax to fall. I really loved Countdown with KO! The commentary was GREAT!
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The Craw Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:17 PM
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252. So MSNBC wants to tack to the radical right? I'm sure they'll bring back Michael Savage
If I wanted to watch the right wing scum propaganda network, I'd watch FOX. Is MSNBC aiming to fire Kieth? If McCain gets elected, don't be shocked if Keith Olbermann mysteriously disappears and is never seen again- many of these reich wingers have long been calling for his-and our arrests for speaking the truth.
If so, Rachel's show may be short lived....What's next- bringing in racist right wing scum like Michael Savage?
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:55 PM
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256. MSNBC is going to regret this when the next ratings book comes out.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:35 AM
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259. Incendiary?
Okay, I can see using the adjective for Olbermann, given his hard-hitting segments on his show on MSNBC. He's partisan and makes no bones about it. It's one reason he's so popular -- sorta like the right wing partisans. People really do prefer someone who takes a stand, to someone who mealy-mouths around. But I digress.

Matthews??? He has been a right wing tool half the time, and when he's been overtly partisan, it has been during intra-party squabbling like during the Democratic primary when he was rabidly anti-Clinton.

And now he's being described as an "incendiary" host? WTF?

Oh, right. Instead of promoting Republics and the Bush administration, he has veered a bit to the center and now, when the Republics outright lie, he calls them on it. And then there was the "To hell with my critics" thing, where he (rightly) noted what a great speech Obama made at the Democratic convention. I guess that makes him incendiary. I guess the truth, er, burns or something.
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