Scouts' pick as speaker is patriot and partisan (Ollie North!)

[Ediacara]

Posted on Wed, Feb. 04, 2004

Scouts' pick as speaker is patriot and partisan
Oliver North was a Boy Scout. But some ask if the war hero and player in the Iran-contra scandal is the right choice to speak at Scouts fundraiser.

BY DANIEL de VISE
[email protected]


OLIVER NORTH

Four years ago, the Boy Scouts lost much of their local financial support by upholding a nationwide ban against gay Scouts. The avowedly apolitical group found itself widely shunned by liberals and embraced by conservatives.

Now, regrouping with the largest single fund-raising event in its history, the Scouts' South Florida Council is turning to Oliver North.

The keynote speaker planned for Thursday's fundraiser at the Signature Grand in Davie is a polarizing figure: retired Marine lieutenant colonel, decorated war hero, right-leaning radio host and central figure in the Iran contra arms-for-hostages scandal of the 1980s.

More at the Miami Herald

[ixion]

1. so now the boyscouts are supporting felons, eh?

Ollie North: the Good German of Iran-Contra

[SemperEadem]

33. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Are the parents just going to roll over and not protest choosing an ex-felon?

I'm shocked that the Boy Scouts have that much overblown arrogance to promote a treasonous traitor as an example of a moral leader for impressionable young children who should be shielded from such unsavory characters such as North.

[CBHagman]

2. The Most Happy Felon.

The wages of sin are supposed to be death. In this media and political climate, the wages of sin are pretty darn handsome. Just ask Oliver North, G. Gordon Liddy, and Lawrence Kudlow.

[drscm]

3. Rumor has it that he is a practicing hetero-sexual. I'm surprised

that the scouts are allowing him to speak.

[UpInArms]

4. the Boy Scouts have definitely become

one of the most insidious groups - seems akin to the Hitler Youth -

If you are unfamiliar with the criminal doings of Ollie North, I suggest this link:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/18/archive/

and this particular sub-link is indicative of most of the others:

From: Oliver North
To: John Poindexter
Re: Keeping it quiet
Date: 9/6/86

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09/06/86 15:31:36 To: NSJMP --CPUA

*** Reply to note of 09/02/86 16:03

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NOTE FROM: OLIVER NORTH Subject: Iran

Last night at 2330 our Project Democracy rep. in Costa Rica called to advise that the Arias Govt "was going to hold a press conference today (Saturday) announcing that an illegal support operation for the Contras had been taking place from an airfield in Costa Rica for over a year. The names of two Americans Secord and were going to be predominantly mentioned. I called to confirm the info and he returned call at 0030 verifying the info. I then had a conference call w/ Tambs, Abrams and Fiers and we agreed on the following sequence: -- North to call Pres. Arias and tell him that if the press conference were held, Arias wd never see a nickel of the $80M that McPhearson had promised him earlier on Friday. --Tambs then called Arias from his leave location in W. Va. and confirmed what I had said and suggested that Arias talk to Elliott for further confirmation. --Arias then got the same word from Elliott. -- At 0300 Arias called back to advise that there wd be no press conference and no team of reporters sent to the airfield. As a precaution, the Project a/c were flown to Ilopango last night and no project personnel remain in site at the field other than local guards (8). Fiers advises today that this operation vas timed to coincide w/ the Conference on our $100M and was directed by the Cubans. - but that I wd reconsider if things looked better next wk. I recognize that I was well beyond my charter in dealing w/ a head of state this way and in making threats/offers that may be impossible to deliver, but under the circumstances and w/ Elliott's concurrence - it seemed like the only thing we could do. Best of all, it seems to have worked. I believe that it is important that you or Al or both make a trip down there again as soon as the $100M is approved so that someone w/ more horsepower than I can look Arias - very aware of our resolve in making this project work. If Al were to go it wd be a good opportunity for him to become familiar w/ some of the faces which will be critical to this effort if it is to succeed. V/R North

GLOSSARY

Abrams - Elliott Abrams, U.S. assistant secretary of state (back)

Arias - Oscar Arias, Costa Rican president (back)

Fiers - Alan Fiers, CIA official (back)

Project Democracy - covert Contra support operation (back)

Tambs -- Lewis Tambs, U.S. ambassador to Costa Rica (back)



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[DBoon]

20. Is there an alternative to the scouts?

Is there some more progressive, environmentally oriented outdoors organization for youth? Sometimes I wish the Sierra Club could organize something like this....

[Kolesar]

21. "Scouting for all" was started as an alternative &sierra club

http://www.scoutingforall.org/

My Sierra Club group has members that take city kids who don't have transportation or other support on outdoor adventures. I think they call it "inner city outings". Several chapters do this.

[callous taoboy]

5. Blaaaggghh

:puke:

[Braden]

6. what happened to scouts honor?

this man should be in prison or hanged.

[PaDUer]

16. I'm surprised that

some of the parents aren't saying anything about this! Are there more R's in the group than D's??

[SpiralHawk]

7. Achtung! ScouterKinderShockenTroopenofTomorrow !!!

I present to you a true representative of the fOurth Reich,
Fearless and jOllee,
kOlonel Oillee North, un bad-ass hombre,
minister of propoganda,
and tRuE bElieVer in wHat hE beLives in
(You are either with us, or you are against us).

Achtung ! Give kOlonel Oillie the sCouT sAlute -- Rooty toot toot !

Commence training of the New Youth Purity League now.

Ollie, would you please explain to our nattily uniformed kindercannonfodder, about how you gave Hawk anti-aircraft missles to Iran during the Iran-Contra sleaze ball scandal, and about how those missles are now in all likelihood pointed at our troops?

[Aristus]

8. OLiver North addressing the Boy Scouts?!! What next?

Let's see. Ollie North:

Trustworthy: No.
Loyal: Only to Reagan's criminal administration.
Helpful: NO.
Friendly: Only to Rush Limbaugh-loving AM radio fanatics.
Courteous: God, no!
Kind: Kind of what?
Obedient: Well, he did fall on the Iran-Contra grenade for Ronny and Co.
Cheerful: Okay, sure. If you commit multiple felonies and get away with it, who wouldn't be?
Thrifty: Sure. Unless it's with the taxpayers money. Buying military technology for a sworn enemy of the U.S.
Brave: No question about that. But fronting for the cowardly repukes tarnishes the memory of his courage.
Clean: Big Frickin' deal. Soap and water are cheap. His soul, though. Black, folks; just too black.
Reverent: Oh hell yes. Bowing down and worshipping at the altar of Ronald Reagan.

Ollie. If the Scouts adheredto their own standards, you would be run out of there!

[Ernesto]

9. Correct me if I'm wrong, but

Weren't the scouts originally conceived as a para military youth group around the time of WWI? Perhaps Hitler just swiped somthing from the US' playbook when he created his own youth movement prior to WWII. Think it over... little super patriots under the christian god, opposed to gays & athiests alike... Hmm, what could be a better breeding ground for facism?

[DBoon]

19. I thought it was Edwardian England

An attempt to militarize civilian British society to meet the challenge of Kaiser's Germany.

Bad juju regardless.

[dArKeR]

10. Old Ollie the Latin American Obituary Maker should be tried for murder

in the World Court and tried as a Pusher in the USA.

[CO Liberal]

11. As a Former Scout Myself....

...I will NEVER support the Scouts again. I stopped a few years ago because of their anti-gay stance. There's no excuse for them honoring a scumbag like Oliver North.

[RainDog]

13. I would not let my son join the scouts

because of their regressive attitudes.

that they have Ollie North, a proven traitor to democracy via his Iran/Contra actions...

known to have been in charge of drug-running operations from Central America...

well, at least he isn't gay, right!

[Timefortruth]

26. Now I wouldn't either, there is absolutely no way.

[suegeo]

30. Rumor has it Ollie and gang weren't just running drugs

In a recently published book (source below), I read that there were rumors of vivisectioned bodies popping up all over in Central America, right around the time of Ollie's reign of terror during the Iran-Contra wars.

Like, bodies of little orphaned kids, infants even. The bodies were missing organs. These organs were used in some kinda scheme for organ transplants for needy Saudis. Nasty ass sh-t. Sick sick sh-t.

The Saudis unwittingly got organs from America, all before AL GORE intro'd and got passed some laws regulating how organs got to people needing transplants.

Anyway, in return for the organs, the Saudis (looking to return a favor) supported Poppy Bush’s Desert Storm by allowing the U.S. military to use Saudi bases.

The parents of these boy scounts might be well advised to perform an inventory of their kid's vital organs before and after any meeting with Ollie North, the baby-killing, murdering, sick SOB.

***Source: Prophets without honor, by Strabala and Palecek. Chapter 19.

Oh, the same book devotes an entire chapter comparing Ole Ollie to Nazi Adolf Eichmann, one of the sick SOBs who helped design and carry out the final solution. The chapter makes a pretty good comparison, in my opinion.

Geez, reading about the sick things that Reagan's boy Ollie pulled is enough to drive you mad. Guess I'll go listen to some U2 songs or something in order to chill out. Just not that Miami song, or that WatchTower song....

[suegeo]

31. Some quotes from the book

Here are some quotes from the book.

Reading the entire chapter certainly demonstrates why that SOB Ollie found it necessary to draw up plans to imprison the angry peasants from the south (operation REXX??) in old military bases in the USA:

Anyway:

QUOTE

Not commonly known is that, as part of LlONSDEN's war mongering over oil, the CIA apparently developed a black market in organs for transplant. These were obtained by vivisection from orphans and from other Central American casualties during the Iran-Contra wars.

In fact, this black market discovery proved to be key to winning support from Saudi Arabia in the Middle East oil market for the future, and to neutralizing Saddam Hussein's power, granted earlier and recklessly by the CIA when Bush was its chief. By the second year of the Iran-Iraq war, US plans proved to be self-defeating when Hussein learned that Iran was receiving weapons from the US.

AND

. It seems several members of prominent Saudi families were afflicted with medical disorders requiring organ transplants. The US had the medical technology to perform the transplants, but the "spare parts", so to speak, were in short supply and, for the most part, were dedicated to cases in America.

The CIA logic was as gruesome as it was cold: there were lots of spare parts available from countless victims of war in Central America, including those from wounded or tortured rebels and children who had become orphaned and would die anyway. Why not use them, the LIONSDEN planners reasoned, and make America the hero of their Saudi friends?

AND

As a result of this LIONSDEN scenario, Iraq could be expected to invade Kuwait. Then the US could ride to the rescue from Saudi soil. Saudi Arabia would have three strong reasons to allow the US military to risk defiling Moslem soil territory: 1) A threat from an Arab neighbor to its oil resources and turf. 2) An ally and trading partner with the military strength to push Iraq back at minimal risk to Saudi lives. 3) A democratic power which had done the royal family a life-saving favor by providing special access to organ transplants.

To begin the plan's implementation, a LIONSDEN type network would be established in Central America to harvest organs from the very war victims the CIA was creating via Iran-Contra.

Activity began in the early '80s, before the US Congress passed the National Organ Transplant Act in October 1984. That act, sponsored by then-Senator Al Gore, (ASIDE: AL GORE!!!) forbids the establishment of organ-transplant businesses for profit. The ethical decency represented by Gore's action did not stop the CIA; it merely made their plans illegal. More daunting were the logistics. It would be difficult to hire transplant experts on the Q.T.; but specialists were certainly needed, to handle all the problems of matching tissue types and organ size, never mind the surgery itself. Even so, it didn't matter if unqualified doctors made mistakes, the organs would simply be discarded if necessary.

END QUOTES

The book then goes on to say the CIA recruited a doctor from FLORIDA to perform the organ removals from the little orphaned kids.

[Ediacara]

29. I am an Eagle Scout

and the recent actions of Boy Scouts has destroyed any fondness I once had for the group.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

38. Eagle Here too. Fuck the BSA. They are dead to me.

Oliver North, who no longer deserves the title Marine either, has the moral authority of a Grand Street whore in NYC. No, wait, at least she is making an honest living.

[NoKingGeorge]

12. Realley teaches them the importance of an Oath.!

This guy swore an Oath .Then when our elected officials passed a law (on our behalf) that some traitors disagreed with , he helped them , violating his Oath to uphold Our way of Government. I remember that Marine higher ups at the time said he was a disgrace. Still is.

[noonwitch]

14. I remember the good old days, when the Boy Scouts' ads featured

images of MLK and support from Gerald Ford. The ads were about how you never know what a Boy Scout will grow up to be-a great leader, a President, etc.
Now they have Ollie North as a spokesperson. I don't have any kids in the extended family who are scouts-my uncle took my cousins out when the troop started to teach them how to load and fire .22s. Funny how we never needed firearms skills in Girl Scouts.

[Kolesar]

15. I remember SOAR--"Save Our American Resources"

Their conservation program from the 1970s. My, how they have degenerated.

If I wanted to throw my Eagle Scout badge over a fence, where would I go to do it?

[Zhade]

28. Gerald Ford was not a good man.

Just ask the 200,000 dead in East Timor about that.

[Taeger]

17. Ollie could teach them ...

Ollie North could teach them a thing or two about drug smuggling. He has a lot of "special skills" like that. You just don't find that in "ordinary" speakers.

[CO Liberal]

18. The Latest Boy Scout Merit Badges - Inspired By Ollie North

"Lieing Before Congress"
"Shredding Secret Documents"
"Hiding Documents In Your Underwear"

[tom_paine]

22. Sounds like the Boy Scouts are aiming to be the Young Communists

of the Imperial Bushevik Regime.

One wonders when the Boy Scouts are going to be trained to spy on their neighbors?

20 years? Probably overly optimistic.

After LIHOP #2, all bets are off.

[Voltaire99]

23. Boy Scouts = Bush Youth

And Ollie is just the brownshirt for the job.

[Snappy]

24. A role model for Neo Fascist Youth

Next they will invite Pointdextor to lecture on the
concept of "Pluasible Denial", his special expertise.

[David Zephyr]

25. Scouts Honor = Lying Felon?

Oh well, homophobes will be homophobes.

[llmart]

27. Does anyone have any survey numbers

on how many boys are in the scouts today vs. say, in the 50's and 60's? I just have a feeling that it isn't as popular as it used to be. In my little community there doesn't seem to be a very large number.

I hate to punish the kids because they're too young to understand, but I won't buy popcorn from them any more since the organization became homophobic.

[Norbert]

32. They had help in their decision.

I doub't if they made this decision on their own. None of these kids were alive during Iran/Contra and the subsequent hearings.

[soup]

34. Decisions... decisions...

from the article:
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Despite North's heroism as a soldier, ''he knowingly and deliberately and unapologetically engaged in covert actions that undermined our constitutional democracy, and has to date failed to either express contrition or remorse for those actions,'' said Tony Alfieri, law professor and director of the Center for Ethics and Public Service at the University of Miami.

Be that as it may, Patti Trick of Coconut Creek, whose 10-year-old son Joseph is a Scout, said she'd much rather have him look to Oliver North than ``some of the other role models out there.

''Who do you want your son to be more like?'' Trick asked. ``Oliver North or Justin Timberlake?''
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um, none of the above, thank you very much.

[young_at_heart]

35. My eagle scout (during the 50's) husband is mad

It literally makes him sick that this is what the Boy Scouts now stand for. How on earth can anyone call North patriotic. Just watching him on TV during the Iran/Contra hearings turned my stomach.

[Toucano]

36. Shame on the scouts.

Their transformation into the Nazi Youth is complete with this action.

Get your children outta' there!

[Octafish]

37. Cocaine Ollie North, BFEE Agent of C.O.N.

Ollie North, Superfly:

This is Your Goverment On Drugs

Excerpted from Conspiracies, Cover-Ups and Crimes

by Jonathan Vankin

(Continued from previous page)

The military literally let their Mafia henchmen get away with murder. Vizzini killed the police chief in Villaba, where, thanks to the Americans, the mobster was mayor. In American occupation headquarters, one of the best employees was Vito Genovese, who eventually inherited Luciano's New York operation. The Genovese crime family is one of New York's five families, among the most formidable mob syndicates in the country. After the war, military intelligence sprang Luciano from prison and had him deported along with a legion of his organized crime associates. From abroad, Luciano and Co. founded what might as well be called Heroin, Inc., an illegal multinational corporation. Havana, Cuba, became Luciano's hub of operations. When Luciano himself was forced out of Cuba, he turned management chores over to Santos Trafficante, the Miami boss.

Trafficante grew into one of the most powerful~maybe the most powerful-godfather in the country. When the CIA wanted to assassinate Fidel Castro, Trafficante was one of the mobsters it turned to. In 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations recommended Trafficante as one of the "certain individuals" in organized crime bearing investigation in connection with the John F. Kennedy assassination.

Between 1946, when Luciano set up his heroin shop, and 1952, the addict total in the U.S. tripled, then jumped to 150,000 by 1965, due primarily to the efforts of Luciano's new operation. Six years later, that number had doubled and nearly doubled again, the addict population topping half a million. The epidemic is often attributed to the Woodstock generation and the proliferation of hedonistic hippies, but the CIA's partnership with opium-growing Laotian warlords probably has as much to do with it. The CIA's covert operation in Laos during the Vietnam War remains the largest it has ever staged. The "Golden Triangle," Laos, northern Thailand, and Burma, is where seventy percent of the world's opium comes from. Much of the raw opium goes to Marseilles and Sicily, where Corsican and Mafia gangs have laboratories to turn it into heroin for sale by the Luciano-founded crime syndicate. The CIA's own thinly disguised cover airline, Air America, flew raw opium in and out of Laos, as a way of financing the illegal Laotian war without going to Congress. Much of the heroin manufactured from the CIA-couriered base was sold to American servicemen in Southeast Asia, who developed a widespread heroin problem.

In the fall of 1990, a book called Kiss The Boys Goodbye, coauthored by intelligence expert William Stevenson and his wife Monica (a former "60 Minutes" reporter), documented how the CIA and the military quashed investigations into POWs left in Vietnam after the war. Many of the POWs, the book says, wereinvolved in CIA drug operations, which is why the government wasnone too eager to get them home. Conservative billionaire and later presidet candidate H. Ross Perot was charged by President Reagan with scouting out leftover POWs. Frustrated, he told then vice president George Bush, "I go looking for prisoners, but I spend all my time discovering the government has been moving drugs around the world."

CONTINUED...

http://www.conspire.com/drugscia2.html