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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:34 PM
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Urging drilling, House GOP members refuse to leave floor for recess
Source: The Raw Story

In a dramatic protest aimed at urging Congress to vote to drill for more oil within the US, House Republicans are refusing to leave the House floor despite a vote to adjourn the chamber early Friday afternoon.

Politico reports:

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the Democrats adjourned the House and turned off the light and killed the microphones, but Republicans are still on the floor talking gas prices.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess.

At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark. But as Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz..) was speaking, the lights went back on, and the microphones have been turned on as well.


Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Urging_drilling_House_GOP...
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:36 PM
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1. Just Grandstanding
Thats all that is................maybe we can see Rep Boner cry again...... :woohoo: :woohoo: :hi:
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:52 PM
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12. Stagecraft! Kabuki theatre!
Tell them better luck next time.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 03:15 PM
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35. YES! Stagecraft! - Call CNN!
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 02:22 PM
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28. HEY! Who turned out the lights!?
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blue52power Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:04 PM
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48. lol......now we can't see who is whining
They did nothing to stop the price of gas from going up for years and now they care.

Yeah right lol.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:54 PM
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107. "Somebody call Politico! I'm gonna hold my breath and turn blue!"
Grandstanding is exactly what it is: and it's pointless grandstanding -- like a bunch of actors doing repeated curtain calls after the audience has left the theater. They must be glad they have Politico to cover these vacuous noises
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:36 PM
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2. More ShowBoating By The Repugs Schilling For The Oil Companies And......
*Co.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:37 PM
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3. Republicans play hardball - I hope we don't cave AGAIN!
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:39 PM
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4. They can't do anything without the Dems there, can they?
Or rather, Dick and Dickless can't pull any executive strings like they did with recess appointments, can they?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:40 PM
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5. Good. Let them stay there until they starve to death
No one will care anyway.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:40 PM
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6. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington Wannabe's.
Knock yourself out fellas.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:41 PM
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7. Odd. Most children like to go out for recess...
:yoiks:

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:43 PM
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8. what's hurting the American economy
is our steadfast refusal to dump just 100 million into vertical algae reactor R&D. Within five years, easily, we could have it perfected and literally be on our way to complete self sufficiency.

It already works at rates between 30K and 100K gallons, theoretically out to 180K gallons per acre per yer with the right membranes and monocultures. It grows to 67% carbon dioxide by weight, essentially by removing CO2 from the atmosphere, so when it is burned again, it's CO2 neutral in terms of breakdown, and best of all the continuous model cost works out to something like $20 / barrel (not gallon) and more efficiencies in future development may make it even cheaper.

Filtered and feed-stock algae in turn provides raw protein for animal feed, so no part goes to waste.

What's left for R&D? Osmotic membrane tweaks for continuous processing and monoculture stability. These are itty bitty things that will certainly resolve with serious funding.

It's real tech, and it's inevitable that we'll end up using it, but not before everyone with oil stocks tries to finish destroying our planet.

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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:45 PM
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9. waa waa waa
give us are way or we will hold our breath!!!

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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:45 PM
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10. Good. If they want to stick around, it sounds like there's time to have hearings on impeachment.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:50 PM
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11. They are running scared because == "Jan. 2001, $1.47"
They so want to NOT have this yoke on their necks, that they have to mount propaganda exercises in the Halls of the People.
Not to mention distancing from Ted Stevens and BIG OIL corruption of the Republican Party!!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:56 PM
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13. They certainly are theatrical, aren't they?
Reminds me of their "walk out" a while back, when they conveniently had a podium and the press waiting for them outside.

If these people would put as much energy into governing as they do game playing, we might get some problems solved.

And the republicans accuse the Democrats of stagecraft!!
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 12:56 PM
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14. They haven't raked in enough profits yet.
So they are asking us to invest more in oil drilling with $4 dollars a gallon and talk about $10 dollars a gallon down the road. Drilling sounds just like the answer every motorist is looking for.

I can think of less expensive methods of propelling my transportation. One method is pretty cheap and I'm thinking about it a little... It's the same propulsion system the "Flintstones" used in their cars. Fred Flintstone will use his feet to propel himself along the highways of Bedrock if you remember. But maybe peddle power would be an improvement?

The point I'm trying to make is why should anyone be paying money to propel a vehicle in the first place? How much do you spend to propel your bicycle? And we're supposed to be jumping to drill for prices that will jump to $10 bucks a gallon?
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. How much do you spend to propel your bicycle?
Check your grocery bills.


But of course, you also get benefits! Like a great tight ass!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 03:03 PM
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33. They want IMMEDIATE profits higher stock prices will bring.
If this bill passes oil and drilling stocks are going through the roof. Anybody with large holdings or bonuses tied to stock prices (CEOs) will make a fortune.
They don't give a rat's ass about reserves 20 years from now. They want their money now.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #33
96. And if Gramps can get his big oil kickbacks now, so can they.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:03 PM
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15. There's a basement not being used!
Edited on Fri Aug-01-08 01:04 PM by Uben
Let the bastards go down there!

Payback's a bitch!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:05 PM
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16. When it's something that directly effects HER district, Pelosi suddenly finds a spine.
God, I hate Pelosi.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. ????
Wouldn't this also affect other areas off the coast of California, Washington, and Oregon as well. So, what you're saying is that if Pelosi represented a district that was inland she wouldn't have a problem with offshore drilling?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:09 PM
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40. Yes. And I am also saying much MORE than that.
Pelosi is abusing her seat as Speaker merely to gain more power and prestige for herself within her district, rather than as Speaker of The People's House, representing all of America.

On NATIONAL issues she has abrogated her responsibilities to the point that she should be removed.

When something comes up that directly effects HER DISTRICT, she suddenly decides to do her job.

Pelosi can co engage in a solitary exercise of her rights under Lawrence v. Texas.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:08 PM
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17. The party of family values would rather have a temper tantrum than go home to their families?
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:09 PM
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18. do the oil companies pay their lackeys over-time?
maybe these repukes are just trying to make some extra $$$$....
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:18 PM
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19. Great campaign videos! This guy stayed late to do the oil companies' bidding. /eom
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. More likely with the MSM the way it is.
That it will show the Rethugs staying late to talk about the problem while the dem's go on vacation.

Raebrek!!!
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:30 PM
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20. So Republicans are capable of remaining in DC after noon on a Friday
Mr. Reid, please take note and call the Republicans out on their bluff the next time they want to filibuster something and MAKE THEM DO IT! Let C-Span record them being the tools we know them to be!

(Yeah I know this is the house but still...)

Regards
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:31 PM
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21. And to think these people are our lawmakers!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:45 PM
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24. As a punishment for supporting a fraudulent bill, they should be
required to stay in the building until 2018 when the oil from the new wells first goes online.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. when the oil from the new wells first goes online.
.... and sold to the highest bidder like China or India and not to the US.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #26
61. Exactly. So, not only will it be 10 years before the oil is pumped,
there is no guarantee that it will be sold to the U.S. It will be sold to the highest bidder.

What a sham the bill is.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 02:04 PM
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27. well they are now in their own element, like mushrooms
only difference is, they supply their own bullshit!

LOLOLOLOL :rofl:
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Wile E Coli Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 02:47 PM
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29. in the dark?
"At one point, the lights went off in the House and the
microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning
Republicans were talking in the dark."

Come on, they're republicans.  They were already in the dark.
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 02:51 PM
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30. When a tree falls in a forest
does it make a sound if no one is around?

Does a Republican make a sound, if no one else is around?
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 02:54 PM
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31. What a bunch of whiny crybabies
Without democrats there to yell at, they will soon be yelling at each other and pulling each other's hair out. Their anger only makes them look foolish. I wish I could see it and laugh. I'm sure that's what the visitors in the chambers are doing right now.

"drill here, drill now, because our buddies at Exxon haven't made enough money this quarter!"
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 03:02 PM
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32. They've found a winning issue- and the complicit Dems have no good response
to the demogoguery, having dropped the ball on their own half hearted attempts to regulate speculation.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 03:04 PM
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34. Political theater at its finest
:D
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 03:39 PM
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36. Turn off the air conditioning
DC in August is a hell hole. Turn off the AC and let them stay there till they rot.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 03:47 PM
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37. Hey, they're GOP, plenty of drilling going on, unless the paiges have left too. n/t
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:02 PM
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38. Well, after all, that's what they are: a lot of gas.
I hope the Dems locked the doors from the outside when they left. ;-)
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:06 PM
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39. RANT ON.....
I guess everyone on this board is Rich, because I certainly have a problem with the gas at its current price. I have been programmed in an establishment that has made me a slave to gas. This is not my fault, there are no alternatives... I drive a 1999 Honda civic 4cyl.... I have 4 kids and make 35k per year...

My kids have to eat and for the that I have to work and for that I have to use gas if there was an affordable alternative to that then I would get it so ... To be honest I don't care what congress does to get the price down they just need to do something... Drill, Tax the Oil Companies, Raise the taxes on the Richer people... This Gas Tax hike, Gas Premium, Gas Windfall, Opec cartel driven, Wall Stree Speculators price at the pump has seriously caused me to cut back on Food for my Family.

Do whatever it takes to offset the price of Oil so that I can get to work and not have to take the very milk out of my kids cereal bowls to do it...

Why isn't our leadership taking care of people like me on this issue. The Democrats are supposed to help the little guy like me... How come not one politician is talking about subsidizing the lower income folks gas....

I will file for Gas stamps or gas cards whatever.... All you stuck up rich folks just keep paying the 4 or 5 or 6 or 10 dollar a gallon gas... Take your money and buy the carbon credits or whatever it is to make the environment better or the global warming end... Use that money and reduce those of us who's income bracket isn't up there down to a 1 or 2 per gallon .... Do whats fair and do whats right...

Not one single initiative that any politician has put forth is doing anything to lower the price of gas 1 cent....

And believe me when I tell you I am a 100 percent registered voting Democrat always have been but this Issue is going to break me.... and I may have to vote for the person that speaks to my needs.

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Offshore drilling isn't going to help
The Repubs just want everyone to think it will.

There are many better options and aids that no one is talking about or acting on, and that has me pissed at the entirety of Congress right along with you.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. I didn't say it would
I said Congress needs to do something. Lower the cost to lower income people...subsidize it

and if telling speculators that we will drill in every corner of the USA to increase production forces them to sell Gas contract short and lowers the price then that works for me too.... Whatever we have to do ... just do this is America Damnit..... Sometime I think I drifted off to a third world nation....
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. So you think locking ourselves into futile and costly efforts
...that won't do diddly-squat in the long run is justified if it lowers prices in the short term?

How about instead we go after the people who are artificially raising oil prices to get what they want?

I agreed with you on the need for Congress to do something. But I absolutely don't agree that using a garden hose on a forest fire is helpful. The oil companies have plenty of places they could be drilling right now. And there are alternative technologies available today that could make an enormous difference -- if we had leadership willing to stop bending over to protect the oil barons.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. No What I said is
Our party has controlled congress for going on 2 years now. They saw this train wreck coming and have Done nothing. NOTHING... Complaining about the oil companies profits or chastising them for not drilling on open land is not fixing the problem which is the cost of gas at the pump....

The Repukes use the issue as a politicial wedge but when the Democratic leadership says they won't even entertain the idea of drilling more oil it sets the markets up for increased prices. Speculators wont sell oil contracts short when they know no new oil is coming on to the market. So my business question is this

What does it hurt to open all of our land to drilling?

Using your own logic the oil companies won't drill on it anyway since they aren't drilling on open land now.... So there must be more to the issue then the simple logic you are trying to imply.

and in the mean time while we wait, wait, wait, for some miracle replacement for Cars.... Which by the way there are over 150 million of on the road in use in America and so here is some more simple logic.... Even if you came up with the super deluxe water powered vehicle today and put it to market and replaced cars at a rate of 1 million per year (well you do the math) So in the mean time my family has to suffer with the high prices and cut costs elsewhere.

Now back to my original suggestion. Congress needs to pass a law that subsidizes lower income people's cost of gasoline. When Oprah and me pay the same amount for a gallon of gas which we both have the same exact need for then there is a problem in America. Nationalize it do whatever it takes but doing nothing is criminal and sorry to say it but Pelosi is doing nothing.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. "What does it hurt to open all of our land to drilling?"
That's where I stopped reading.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Of course you did
Because you are probably living a nice cushy lifestyle where the price of gas is a burden borne only by us common folk whom you have little care for anyway.... Why if we don't have Bread let us eat Cake Is that right?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. No, actually because I learned long ago
...not to waste my time trying to be reasonable with the unreasonable.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #53
66. So I am unreasonable
For doing the best that I can in taking care of my family, Unreasonable in asking the government to step in an help folks like me by doing whatever it takes to lower the cost of gas so I can continue my struggle....Well maybe I simply don't deserve to live in your reasoned world but your going to have to deal with the fact that there are MILLIONS of people like me out here and many of us are reaching a breaking point rather quickly.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #66
72. Sigh
No, you're unreasonable because you said "What does it hurt to open all of our land to drilling?" after I'd already said offshore drilling isn't going to help and called it a futile and costly effort, etc. You've obviously got it in your head that drilling up all of America in search of lower oil prices is worth it and you aren't listening to anything else. That's exactly the kind of desperate reaction the Repubs and the oil barons are counting on to give them what they want...the very same people who got us into this mess with terrorism and high oil prices.

But I guess you'll just have to find out on your own.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #72
106. Sigh, Sigh,
I can turn your same argument around on you too... Who are you to say that drilling is futile and costly that won't produce the desired effect of lower prices? You are so omnipotent and obviously got it in your head that not giving the Oil Companies carte blanche to drill in areas where many scientists and oil researches have said there are Billions of barrels of oil is the right thing to do... That I call flawed logic.... That I say what does it hurt? Who gets hurt by the Congress giving Oil Companies the rights to drill in Anwr and off the coasts? If that don't drill, if it doesn't produce we are no worse off for the effort but if it does and if the speculators that are selling oil contract futures see a move to find more oil the price may just market adjust and go down... Doing nothing is not the answer and that is my point.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #106
111. Facts say it
Acquaint yourself with them.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #111
112. He/She is not interested in them
It's easier to believe the lies than deal with the truth.

Regards
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #112
113. I know, I've just returned from a look through the archives
Same song for a while. If you disagree with offshore drilling you're an elitist in this one's book.

Unfortunately it's representative of the same selfish and unthinking "I want it now" voice across America that will play us ALL straight back into the hands of those who got us into this mess to begin with.

People have very short memories. What's that saying? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #113
114. During the week Thom Hartmann suggested that the Obama campaign
come up with a bumper-sticker type come-back. He suggested "Stop the addiction: Rebuild America"

I think Mr. Hartman may be right since logic and facts seem to get nowhere.

Regards
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #114
115. Even in the best of times
...logic and facts are too much for most people it seems. This person obviously cares about his/her children, but isn't considering their future.

It's aggravating.

On a lighter note, welcome to DU! (A little belatedly...) You're from my favorite city in the country. Hope to see you around the forum again.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #115
116. Thank you
I pop up here and there. I seem to get a spurt where I want to discuss then go quiet for a couple of weeks. Until my friends don't want to talk politics anymore. LOL

Well, I shan't go further. I had a rather -er spirited reply further down but it was a bit angry for my non-virginal ears. I've deleted it.

Regards
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #43
55. The Repubs voted down tax credits for renewable energy
AND they voted down subsidies for home heating oil.

So you're barking at the wrong party.

And if you're looking for immediate relief, it ain't there with either solution.

Please don't fall for the propaganda.

If oil companies all started drilling in ANWR and off the coasts tomorrow, it STILL wouldn't affect the price much. There just isn't enough there to make a difference on the world market.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:38 PM
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44. Drilling won't help. They've already got millions of acres they don't drill on.
Tying up the leases and restricting access to public lands is what this game is about, trading in possibilities and unproven assets.......speculation. ANWR by some estimates will provide 20 days of supply at todays rate of consumption and will take 10 years to come on line. Could be more, make it 60 days. Drilling is not the answer, the only quick relief at the pump is allowing the speculators to steal your childrens future instead of their milk. Tough decision but drilling is not the answer.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #44
51. Flawed logic
If they don't drill on the land they have then what does it hurt to open up use of the land that they don't have.... This issue is not a logical winner for the Democrats. Congress needs to do something my solution is quite different I don't really care if gas is $100 a gallon if you can afford it pay for it but it needs to be prorated fairly.... When I have to take food out of my kids mouths to pay the increase in gas because I am a slave to this commodity then in fact my Freedom as an American is in jeoparday and for that I will revolt.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. I'm with you, Viva Chavez.....and Trudeau, back when Canada had a leader.
A countries resources belong to the people of that country. The use and exploitation of those resources should be servants to the people of that country. Let's revolt together, our countries resources should not be benefiting some inbred banking family in France.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. Talk about flawed logic!!!
If they don't drill on the land they have then what does it hurt to open up use of the land that they don't have.


Do you realize how little sense that makes? They already own millions of acres of undeveloped oil leases, but you want to open up even more for drilling? :wtf:

I understand that you're frustrated by the high prices, but the facts are that even if they open up the offshore areas for drilling that are now off-limits, it will be over 10 years before we see any of that oil, and even then there will be at the most a few pennies per gallon change in price.

This just after Exxon made over $1400 a second in PROFIT over the last quarter. And it's the Democrats fault? :eyes:

Good luck with your revolt.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:57 PM
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58. I agree with Greyskye.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. Again I just don't understand your logic
I am not arguing that the time frame to get oil out of the ground is at least 10 years and I know I am taking the environmental arguments out of this but, If you say that there are millions of acres of undeveloped oil leases that have oil on them and the Oil companies are not drilling on those lands then exactly what harm does it do to Open the ANWR and Coastal drilling to Oil Companies that will not drill...Further other arguments being made are that there is just not enough oil here (U.S.) to make a difference in the price then why is this even an issue on the Political stage? I think there must be trillions of barrels of oil on our own lands, compared to the rest of the world we barely pump any of our own supply using our own resources... What are we waiting for the world to run out so we can say AHA but we still have some here?

I agree with the other poster that said our natural resources are a right of the people. The oil in this country belongs to all of us not to some greedy oil executive. The government needs to take control of this resource, which we are all slaves too and manage/control the usage and distribution so as to make it fair for everyone.

My argument is strictly with people that are putting emotion in front of the pocketbook. This gas fiasco has seriously made me change the way I can alot money. It is hurting my family and my ability to get ahead and it is the responsibility of our elected leaders to understand this point and act on in to the benefit of us all.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #64
76. I don't get your logic
The gas and oil companies have leases that they're sitting on. There's no reason that the couldn't drill on them now yet we should give them more access to more land for them to not drill on?

I see no reason why congress shouldn't say "you drill on what you've got before you come demanding more land."

The truth is they're hoarding the leases most likely to make it easier to manipulate the markets.

Regards
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #76
99. Maybe the truth is ...
That there is not enough oil on those leased lands to make it profitable for them to drill.... hmmmm
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #99
102. Then they won't have any problem returning the leases in exchange for new ones right?
Since the ones they're holding are so unprofitable.

It worked out real well for Alaska. The lease sat for 31 years unused yet Exxon Mobil sued for $800M in damages after Alaska tried to take it back for non-use. $800M on a lease that must not have been profitable or they would have produced something on it.

Or maybe $800M is considered a pittance? I should have such a pittance.

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=1402840

If you believe that the oil companies are sitting on those leases because they're just not profitable I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Regards
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:27 PM
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63. Plus we export 33% of our oil as it is. Drilling won't make up the
difference. In the case of ANWR it'll cost the taxpayer big time, as Halliburtan and KBR will be brought out to build the infrastructure on thawing permafrost that is no longer.
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Meiko Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #39
59. I can barely
afford my own gas, why should I be paying for yours? Deal with it like everyone else.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. What are you talking about that reply is ignorant
You pay taxes like everyone else... my point is about fair distribution of a national asset so get a grip if you can barely afford gas then you should be on my side. Its the idiots that use up the resources with little care to the cost because they are the Haves.... Maybe if you actually had to take the food out of your kids mouths to pay for the gas to get you to work you would understand what I am saying so if in fact you haven't then STFU.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:22 PM
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42. The Oil Party=GOP... make it stick DU
this article is ammo... BIG TIME
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Hmmm...Grand Oil Party?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Greedy Oil Profiteers. n/t
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Meiko Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #42
60. That may be, but
I am sick of paying $4.50 a gallon for gas. What is the solution when we are sitting on a gazillion barrels of oil? Wind, electric? We are working on that already.It's time to drill.I know that it's not a popular option among certain people but it's time to face reality.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #60
73. We're sitting on a gazillion barrels of oil?
REALLY? Where?

There's no gazillion barrels of oil or anything even remotely approaching that expectation anywhere off the coast or in the continental US. ANWR will deliver a few cents drop in the price of oil for a year or so -- in 10 years. Meanwhile we'll be subsidizing the oil companies for that operation and their expensive new offshore drilling, on top of everything else we already subsidize for them.

In return I'm sure the speculators will be willing to shave a few dollars off the ever-increasing cost of a barrel now and then, just to make us feel better. Ask nicely and they might even let it last long enough to trickle down to your local gas station before they raise the price yet again!

I'm really not interested in paying for this misinformed, misguided pipe dream about ANWR and offshore drilling you and so many others share at the behest of the Repubs and the oil barons. In fact I've had it with being screwed by panicky, stupid Americans who don't know how to think for themselves and don't pay attention until trouble is sitting on their front doorstep. Eight years of that is quite enough, thank you very much.

For your children's sake, INFORM yourself.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #42
97. GOP=Greedy Oil Pirates. Says so on my 2003 protest sign.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 06:35 PM
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56. So gather up your jackets, and move it to the exits
Closing time - time for you to go out, go out into the world.
Closing time - turn the lights up over every boy and every girl.
Closing time - one last call for alcohol, so finish your whiskey or beer.
Closing time - you don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
Take me home...

Closing time - time for you to go back to the places you will be from.
Closing time - this room won't be open 'til your brothers or you sisters
come.
So gather up your jackets, and move it to the exits - I hope you have found
a
friend.
Closing time - every new beginning comes from some other beginning'send.

Yeah, I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
Take me home...

Closing time - time for you to go back to the places you will be from...

I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
Take me home...

Closing time - every new beginning comes from some other beginning'send...


Semisonic
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:23 PM
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62. Did Exxon promise each of them some home renovation? n/t
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:49 PM
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67. WELL, WELL, WELL,
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Magellan and Greyskye ....
Hmm seems that Our Democratic Presidential nominee just sided with me..... Gosh I can't wait to vote for him.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #69
74. Yes, panicky voters do tend to get the candidates' attention
Enjoy the "win". It certainly isn't one for America, but at this point it's hard to expect different.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #69
77. Doesn't mean he's right
I'm still voting for him but he's wrong, wrong, wrong.

Regards
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #77
98. However,
If by chance this does translate into lower gas prices then it is a small win for my family.... So if you haven't had to feed your kids chicken hot dogs and Ramen noodles because gas prices have taken a bite out of your grocery's then STFU about it.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:24 PM
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100. Why don't you?
STFU that is. Just because you "have" to feed your kids chicken hot dogs and ramen noodles doesn't make your opinion better than anyone else's.

You haven't said in your profile where you live, but this site might help you on the food front:

http://www.angelfoodministries.com

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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #98
104. Excuse me?
I'm not some heiress sitting on a fucking trust fund waiting for the next dividend check. I work for a living and I don't like the price of gas either. But I'm not going to allow myself to be fooled by the oil companies into giving them leases on new land to drill while they sit on leases they already have and do nothing with them. WTF, if I don't work I don't fucking eat either you know. Or do you think food just materializes from thin air for the rest of us?

Regards
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:38 PM
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:23 PM
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110. Self delete
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 11:27 PM by Raineyb
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:50 PM
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68. Drill where and for what amounts....???? There is hardly any new oil deposits anywhere
within US Borders...all deposits are tiny compared to our thirst for it

Jimmy Carter was right...only now do we realize it...Even Sen John Warner said it...

Even if we hit a sizable amount...who owns it...them Oil Giants and they sell to the highest bidder....

We are a spoiled bunch and we don't want to accept that fact....we love our toys, large and small, we are addicted to diversion(FUN)

So the Pubs can ya ya all they want...the facts are there...we cannot control our consumption cept for one thing...the cost. The higher it goes, the lower the cosumption....we gatta let go of gross misuse of energy...at least reduce it....already we see a 15% drop....all non essential use is dropping....we need to go further

Fuck the Pubs...its a ploy to make Obama look bad.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. ? and you are ?
Some kind of expert on the amount of oil under the vast billions of acres of land that encompass the Good Ol' USA? Where is your logic the USSR is pulling billions of barrels out of their northern areas and coast lines.... Do you even have any idea how much coast line America has or how big Alaska actually is?

Obama agrees with it...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #70
71. At record prices doncha think that oil would be in the process of extraction?
I read what the experts say...and they say we ain't got all that much...to make a diff that is...our consumption is at record levels due to our expanding population...

and again I ask, who gets the oil? Not neccessarily us....they bid it out to the highest bidder.....

The World has 6.7 Billion...in a few years 8 billion...everyone wants energy....

We can forget the days of cheap oil....its gone....prices will rise as comsumption rises...

Its simple math
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:22 AM
Response to Reply #68
75. OUR oil is being extracted and sent overseas.
Because the profit is greatest that way. Energy is too vital to our national security and economy to be in private, greedy claws.
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #68
108. The ploy is working however.
To the average person, it makes sense, Oil prices too high, drill for more. The democrates aren't helping any. So far, unless I missed it, their energy strategy is "Live with it"
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. when this is done....the lies will be exposed
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bluevoter4life Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
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78. House GOP Revolts over gas prices
Source: The Politico

At the stroke of 5 on Friday afternoon, House Republicans ended their half-day protest on the darkened chamber floor with a round of God Bless America.

That capped a wild day in the chamber, where Republicans, aides and tourists broke all manner of House rules to protest the Democrats decision to leave Washington for the five-week August recess without voting on a measure to open new land to domestic oil and gas exploration.

The uproar began shortly before noon, after members cast their votes along party lines on the question of whether or not to adjourn for the day.

A small band of Republicans, protesting the decision to adjourn without an oil vote, started to speak from the welleven though the lights werent on, the microphones were turned off and most of their colleagues were scrambling to catch flights out of town.

An empty floor is one thing when TV cameras are there, but C-Spans cameras, which typically broadcast every word uttered on the floor of both chambers, were not allowed to broadcast the revolt since the chamber was officially closed for business.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12252.html



Feel that tingling Democrats? Don't be worried. That's the spine we've been waiting for you to develop.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
79. The Republicans are revolting!
Had to be said.

Funny how this little temper tantrum hasn't gotten nearly the attention and derisive laughter it deserves. Grown men acting like children and threatening to hold their breath until they turn blue. What was it Phil Gramm called us last week? Whiners? Seems he should have been looking at the party he switched into all those years ago.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
80. That's not spine, it's 100% political douche-baggery.
As if the Big Oil Party really wants to lower our gas prices. :eyes:
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
81. They're desperate. Grasping for some veneer of populism.
In hopes of saving their sorry hides in November.

Reminded me very much of the tantrum those Rethug operatives threw when they tried to stop the 2000 recount. Pounding on the windows at the Miami-Dade Board of Elections.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
82. I hope someone got it all on video .. LOL ...
so the Dem Committee Chairs can replay it for all to see whenever one of those GOP slimebags starts whinning about Code Pinks signs or t-shirts being in "violation of House rules".
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
83. Politico - Fox News of the Web.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #83
87. Yep- precisely why it was formed
so that the corporate media could claim to be tapping into the netroots.
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
84. The pukes had 6 years with control of both houses and the prez.
So why didn't they legislate off shore drilling then? Just asking.

It was not in their best interests that's why.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
85. They certainly do....
...in this and more.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
86. head line should read: GOP puts on a dog and pony show
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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
88. Oh, the irony......
"...At the stroke of 5 on Friday afternoon, House Republicans ended their half-day protest on the darkened chamber floor with a round of God Bless America.

I wonder if the Gawdtards know that song was written by an atheist?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
89. They certainly are revolting, and I don't mean rebellious.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
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90. LOL n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
91. the republicons had to do their "little drama queen routine" (--randi rhodes) n/t
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
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92. Fuck the republicans these are the same repugs who voted against tax breaks for alternative energy
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:21 AM by GreenTea
a few days ago....but want to give the oil companies tax breaks, drilling and everything else the oil companies want, as they continue to gouge us at the pump for the largest profits ever as their product pollutes & kills....fuck the republicans!
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
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93. The House GOP Did NOT Revolt over gas prices
They 'revolted' over off shore drilling, which the Dems would not discuss at all unless there was comprehensive energy policies discussed, including alternative energy sources.

I'm so tired of this crap. The M$M reports this like it is the Dems who are stonewalling, when it is the Repubs who won't discuss anything but off shore drilling and more leases, when the oil companies haven't utilized all of the leases or drilling permits they already have.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
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94. I say they should drill to their hearts content
here off Palm Beach Florida,
It's just a short jaunt to the Atlantic Ocean on this property owned by Forbes Four Hundred Richest in America member Nelson Peltz. Situated on North County Road near the fabled Breakers Hotel, the estate features a French Regency-style, 44,000-square-foot main residence, plus a 16,000-square-foot guest house, two swimming pools, a tennis court and a movie theater. Ned Monell of Sotheby's International Realty in Palm Beach has the listing.

And here off Southampton, N.Y.,
Originally built for the DuPont family in 1927, this nearly ten-acre property commands prime oceanfront in Southampton. The estate features a 55,000-square-foot Gothic castle with 12 bedrooms and 18 bathrooms. Situated on 9.7 acres, the property has a tennis court and swimming pool. Real-estate developer Francesco Galesi is the seller. He acquired the property in 1992 for $2.3 million after its owner, financier Barry Trupin, went bankrupt. During Trupin's ownership the property was known as Dragon's Head. The owner's daughter, Christina Galesi of Sotheby's International Realty in Bridgehampton, has the listing.

And also here off Hawaii's Big Island,
You can be the real Big Kahuna in this oceanfront residence located on the grounds of the Four Seasons Hualalai Resort on the Kona-Kohala coast of Hawaii's Big Island. The property offers views of the 18th hole of the Hualalai Golf Course, the Kohala Mountains and Maui in the distance.
Built in 1999, the 4,100-square-foot house has four bedrooms and four bathrooms, but it's situated on only half an acre, public records show. The property does have its own swimming pool and an ancient Hawaiian fishpond.

Now that's what I call off shore drilling that you can live with.









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penndragon69 Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #78
95. What a bunch of Fucking whiners!
The stonewalling, filibustering rethugs are shouting in the dark again.
That pretty much sums up the state of the rethugnican party.
Bitching and moaning to a handful of rabid ditto Buttheads.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #78
103. Chucklenuts denounced the Democrats leaving Washington, I heard this morning.
In a radio address. From Maine.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #103
117. Someone forgot to tell the giggling murder the meaning of irony did they?
But then it's not really something you can draw a picture of.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:31 PM
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101. If they don't secure land-drilling rights for Exxon/Mobile before Bush leaves office their screwed..
and that's what this whole thing is about, don't forget, they keep reminding us it would take 10 years before the US. would see a drop of oil and the fuckers are saying; "we'll also be selling the oil to China"
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