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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:47 PM
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McCain criticizes adviser's ‘whiners’ remark
Source: Associated Press

BELLEVILLE, Mich. - John McCain sharply broke from an economic adviser who dubbed the United States "a nation of whiners" in a "mental recession" as the Republican presidential candidate sought to counter criticism that he's weak on the economy.

Sensing an opening, Democrat Barack Obama turned the remarks against his rival.

"I strongly disagree" with Phil Gramm's remarks, McCain told reporters in what amounted to nothing short of a smackdown against one of his top surrogates and longtime friends. "Phil Gramm does not speak for me. I speak for me."

The Republican presidential hopeful said a person who just lost a job or a mother struggling to pay for a child's education "isn't suffering from a mental recession."

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25628205/
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:50 PM
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1. heh. I love how the AP tries to spin it as more positive than it really is
"See what a maverick he is? He even breaks with an economic advisor?" Not just any economic advisor. His top economic advisor. And it should be "McCain reacts to advisers "whiners" remark" or "McCain campaign put on the defensive by economic advisor's "whiners" remark.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:52 PM
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4. He didn't just break but "sharply broke" n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:52 PM
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5. His top economic adviser who is supposed to help with his, "I don't know much..
..about the economy" problem. :rofl:
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:50 PM
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2. Too late dumbass....no one's going to hear your lame apology.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:52 PM
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3. Does that mean McCain is 'whining?'
:grr:
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:05 PM
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11. Of course...
And Ken Lay was probably whining as well.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:56 PM
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6. Make it real, McCain: kick that Gramm asshole off your team
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 04:57 PM by 0rganism
Until then, you're just a backpedaling politician with an asshole for a "top economic adviser."
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:04 PM
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7. Mental Recession Gramm has to go
He'll be missed. :cry:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:07 PM
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8. ..........

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:08 PM
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9. BWAHAHAHA nice use of a classic n/t
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:38 PM
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10. So if I get this right, my Mental Recession
is the reason my IRA has $16000.00 less than 6 weeks ago? And you bet I'm a whiner and proud of it. These morons don't have a clue and are totally out of touch! I need to go get my "Mental Recession" fixed. Will my medical insurance cover that?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:17 PM
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12. This is the same attitude that tells
victims of rape, of sexual abuse, of domestic violence, that they need to get over their "victim mentality."

When you're victimized, whether it's by a rapist, a sexual predator, a manipulative and abusive partner, a predatory lender, a fascist government, or a lying sack of never-did-an-honest-day's-work-in-his-whole-fucking-life chickenshit like Phil Gramm, you're a victim. You're entitled to complain, to whine, to seek redress.

It's the whining victimizers who need to SHUT THE FUCK UP.


Rot in hell, Phil Gramm, and your wife, too.



Tansy Gold
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:58 PM
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13. Is Graham yet another republicon Chickenhawk?
There are so many of them. Rich, arrogant, chickenhawks - sneering at the ordinary US citizens.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:33 PM
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14. Yes, of course he is.
Phil Gramm is lower than chickenshit. To call him chickenshit is an insult to chickens.

Following are some excerpts from one of my favorite descriptions of Gramm, along with two of his ilk: Dick Armey and the late and seriously unlamented Jesse Helms -- by the late and MUCH lamented Molly Ivins:

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/power_plays/2002/03/mean.html

Like Armey, Phil Gramm is fond of posing as a picked-upon outsider whenever he screws up. But Gramm has done far more damage to the public interest-and his record of hypocrisy is remarkable, even by Washington standards. Gramm has always posed as a right-wing populist, looking out for the little guy against the terrible Washington politicians who are wasting the hardworking taxpayer's dollar: His Everyman was Dicky Flatt, a printer in Mexia, Texas, and Gramm's supposed lodestar has been, "What would Dicky do?" In fact, Gramm has been an assiduous servant of large corporate interests, routinely supporting legislation that screwed the Dicky Flatts of the world.

Gramm both looks like a snapping turtle and has the personality of one. When he ran for president in 1996 and finished fifth in Iowa, all the profiles written of him included the line "Even his friends don't like him." Self-righteous and strident, Gramm demonized his opponents and used bitter, polarizing rhetoric. During a Senate debate over Social Security, a member pointed out that the proposal under consideration would hurt 80-year-old retirees. "Most people don't have the luxury of living to be 80 years old," Gramm scoffed, "so it's hard for me to feel sorry for them." Well, there is that.

On another occasion, Gramm ridiculed a newspaper photo of poor people who were forced to cut corners to put food on the table. "Did you see the picture?" Gramm asked a crowd. "Here are these people who are skimping to avoid hunger and they are all fat!... We're the only nation in the world where all our poor people are fat." During the fight over health care reform, Gramm said, "We have to blow up this train and the rails and the trestle and kill everyone on board." When an elderly widow in Corsicana told him that cutting Medicare would make it more difficult for her to remain independent, Gramm said, "You haven't thought about a new husband, have you?"

. . .

Gramm, the great crusader against government spending, has spent his entire life on the government tit. He was born at a military hospital, raised on his father's Army pay, went to private school at Georgia Military Academy on military insurance after his father died, paid for his college tuition with same, got a National Defense Fellowship to graduate school, taught at a state-supported school, and made generous use of his Senate expense account. In 1987, a Dallas developer named Jerry Stiles flew a construction crew to Maryland to work on Gramm's summer home. Stiles spent $117,000 on the project but was kind enough to bill Gramm only $63,433. When Stiles got in trouble for misusing funds from a savings and loan he owned, Gramm did him some "routine" favors with regulators. Stiles was later convicted on 11 counts of conspiracy and bribery.

As a member of the Senate Finance Committee and the recipient of enormous banking contributions, Gramm did an even bigger favor for the financial industry in 1999 when he sponsored the Financial Services Modernization Act allowing banks, securities firms, and insurance companies to combine. The bill weakened the Community Reinvestment Act, which requires banks to help meet the credit needs of low- and moderate-income neighborhoods. Gramm described community groups that use the CRA as "protection rackets" that extort funds from the poor, powerless banks. The bill is also a disaster for the privacy of bank customers and weakens regulatory supervision. As Gramm proudly declared, "You're not going to find a single bank, insurance company, or securities company that will say they were hurt financially by this bill."




As I posted this, David Schuster filling in for Dan Abrams on "Verdict" has just reported that Gramm is now saying his "whiners" referred to the "leadership" of the country. We all know that is just plain bullshit -- apologies to all bulls, by the way -- and Gramm, like all of his wealthy shrugger compadres, hates and loathes little people. They want all of us to shut up and serve them and take our licks quietly, give up our rights and our possessions, even our dreams.

May they rot in fucking hell.



Tansy Gold

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:56 PM
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15. I suspected as much. Chickenhawkery - it's a Republicon tradition.
Ptooey...
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:10 PM
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16. $4.00+/gallon gas has nothing to do with the recession
And the occupation of Iraq and the Enroning of the economy has nothing to do with it: any economic distress you experience is purely in your head. After all, with Bush's massive tax cuts to the ownership class, we are in a golden age of permanent prosperity.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:21 AM
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17. Turtle Man is walking proof that we live in an unfair world
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:16 AM
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18. Gramm's Been The True Face of GOP/Conservative Economic Policy FOR YEARS!
Phil Gramm's been the true face of GOP/"Conservative" economic policy for YEARS--a social-darwinist attitude towards American poor and middle-class citizens, special favors for wealthy corporations, and de-regulation and funding cuts for the agencies that kept outfits like UBS, WorldCom, Enron, et al from plundering investors, employees, and US taxpayers alike.

Sadly, like the battered wives of abusive husbands who refuse to leave their abusive spouses, Texas voters have taken Gramm's stuff for years and kept re-electing him to the US Senate until Gramm retired to get even richer.

Whaddya bet that the Democratic leadership is going to let the matter of Phil Gramm's antics and attitudes drop instead of taking it and making it an issue?

:argh:

:dem:
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dazzlerazzle Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:01 PM
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19. McCain advisors
He should know better than use people like Phil Gramm and Carly Fiorina. Very soon one of the reporters with guts will ask Ms Fiorina if she still thinks outsourcing jobs to foreign markets is a good thing.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:02 PM
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20. Time for him to go just like Samantha Power, Rev. Wright, et al
Anything else would just be unthinkable.
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