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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:14 PM
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Limbaugh's pill use not extraordinary, lawyer says
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7802396.htm

Rush Limbaugh's attorney mounted an offensive Monday, accusing Palm Beach County prosecutors of smear tactics and likening his client to any ordinary American with chronic pain.

''This nation is full of people who take medication every day and will do so for the rest of their lives,'' said Roy Black, speaking in a news conference in Miami.

Discussing the prescription-drug abuse allegations in unprecedented detail, Black reasoned that the quantity of medicine Limbaugh is accused of ingesting -- 1,800 pills in 210 days -- works out to roughly 8.5 pills a day, ``certainly not an outrageous amount.''

Black questioned the motives of Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry Krischer in releasing details last week of sensitive plea negotiations between Limbaugh and prosecutors.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:15 PM
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1. For an 800 pound gorilla!!!!!
This guy's a barrell of laughs!!!
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:51 AM
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22. "For an 800 pound gorilla!!!!!"
They Tell you he was just taking them for pain, but was he taking them for pain or grinding them up and snorting them for a high? Readers Digest did an article on this in January of 2002 ( I think that was the issue) , prior to the Rush Limbaugh news and according to the article oxycontin, once ground up and snorted up the nose gives a "rush" ( no pun intended, Readers Digest description) but continually takes a larger dosage to achieve the same results. Likewise, the article claimed oxycontin was 2nd to heroin in the drug of choice. Did he take so many pills for pain or was he snorting the stuff to get high? The fact that he needed such large doses suggests he was snorting it for euphoria. There is a big difference here, many homes have glue but not every home has people that sniff it - people need to distinguish what makes an addict different from normal people is not the drug of use but the way they use it.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:16 PM
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2. I was perscribed Oxycoton twice for surgery.
Neither time was perscribed that many pills a day
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:17 PM
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3. If Limbaugh Pleads Guilty to a Felony, He Can't Vote for W!!
If Limbaugh has to plead guilty to a felony, he won't be able to vote under Florida law. That will fix him just right!
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:28 PM
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10. Nope !!!

Your wrong. You see there is a loophole. If your a rich white guy you can ask the Governor (Jeb Bush) for a pardon and he will grant it. If your black, you can ask but don't hold your breath.

No what do you think the chances are that Rush will be pardoned irregardles of what happens???? This would have ZERO affect on voting. The people who vote Republican love Rush and want him freed (the hypocrisy is AMAZING!!!) Everyone who HATE Rush already vote Democrat.

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:17 PM
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4. Yes, millions will take pain medicine the rest of their lives
LEGALLY. with a valid prescription!
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:21 PM
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5. What was extrodinary was how much he was getting for the excess pills
...on e-bay!

Who knew there were so many dittohead junkies?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:22 PM
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6. Regular people dont get black market narcotics at a sleazy gas station...
...He got his maid to pick up thousands of $$$$$$$ worth of black market narcotics in a shady gas-station drug deal.

Illegal as hell and very poor community citizenship to say the least...
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:25 PM
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7. Not the number of pills ..

It's not the number of pills that count, it's the number of physicians that prescribe them.

I was popping about 6-10 a day at one point. But that was after having periodontal surgery. After that, no more. And only one doctor prescribed them.

Oh yeah, and I stopped taking the stuff after my gums healed. Oh yeah, and I didn't buy them off the street. Oh yeah, and I didn't threaten a maid with dismissal if she didn't get me more pills. Oh yeah, and I didn't bribe anyone into NOT telling them I was taking Vicadin.

I guess I'm special because I don't get high on opiates. I had half a bottle in my medicine cabinet for a year. I get high on speed like most Americans (coffee, tea, etc...) Myself, my fix is Adderall XR. And I have a prescription for it.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 06:22 AM
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23. The 1,800 pills were Hydrocodone...
...and you're right - no Dr would prescribe Hydrocodone for pain indefinitely, given they're highly addictive (and certainly not Oxycontin, either).
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celestia671 Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:27 PM
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8. I thought...
that he took more than that? I don't know, but when I was prescribed just plain old hydrocodone post surgery, all I needed for sufficient pain relief was about two-three a day.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:29 PM
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11. I think Lawyer Black was talking only of the "legally" prescribed
pills. Not those we know he was getting from the maid. Limbaugh's lucky he's not dead with the quantity he must've been taking.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:16 AM
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16. Not dead... but deaf.
One of the side effects of extreme Oxycontin abuse is hearing loss.

Imagine that.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:27 PM
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9. Ya, not extraordinary for....
....A blue whale who just had back surgery.....

If published accounts are accurate (and granted, they're from the National Enquirer), he should really be dead from overdose.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:31 PM
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12. He was crunching on Oxycontins like they were beer-nuts...
...he was buying THOUSANDS of them. You dont need that many narcotics pills unless you are really hooked...

I mean, he is an admitted JUNKIE- he took thousands of black-market narcotics...
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:26 AM
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13. This nation is full of people who take crack cocaine
So I guess it shouldn't be illegal?

Anything that a lot of people do shouldn't be illegal now?

This is a brand new Rush!
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:40 AM
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14. Yeah…and it’s your ordinary American…
That checks into the Betty Ford Clinic for detox….:eyes:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 12:47 AM
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15. One pill every two waking hours for eight straight months
And that's just the amount that they had no choice but to admit to - "certainly not an outrageous amount". Even with a prescription that would be a pretty outrageous amount. But to imagine that this hypocrite, who had gone on record on nearly a daily basis about the evils of drug use, was knocking back pills at this rate (at a minimum) at the very same time...the mind boggles.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:20 AM
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17. One pill lasts 12 hours, btw...
I looked up Oxycontin on the web and it says one pill will stay at an effective dose in the system for up to 12 hours. It's somewhere in this page:

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/oxycontin/default.htm

Oh... and there's tons of warnings about the addictiveness of the stuff as well.
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 01:39 AM
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18. Yeah and they dont call it Hillbilly Heroin for a reason..
Boy Rush's lawyers are working overtime to spin this.
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Kucinich04 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:13 AM
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19. Oh, 8.5 OC 80's is a whole different deal ... trust me ...
The Ear Thing, and Why I think the Old Rush will soon be gone...

Seeing as how Oxy's come in 20, 40, and 80 mg pills, which equals 4, 8, and 16 regular Percocets (in terms of drug content but with NO tylenol or other crap), most of you have no idea what you're speaking of here. This is NOTHING like taking 8.5 generic vicodins. OC is straight up pure "cancer-patient-just-waiting-to-go" opiate bliss. The shit is pure dope. It can crushed and sniffed, crushed and eaten, put up your backside, or even shot up, apparently. If he were talking all 80's, it'd be the equivalent of 8.5*16=136 Percs a day. This would be much like a 'gram a day' heroin habit in overall effect.

OC's are just a whole different ballgame than the stuff 95% of America associates with 'pain pills'. They are concentrated (an 80 is no bigger than an advil) little troublemakers from hell, that can put into your body in quantities only limited by your tolerance. Which comes QUICK - in fact, many people take that many 80's when they are real addicts. BTW, taking this amount, if left untreated, would kill an opiate-naive person within 2 hours. Yet a junkie not only does fine on it, he needs close to this amount each day just to feel a little better than 'normal'.

If he were to 'quit' a habit like that cold turkey, it would have gone through "The TRAINSPOTTING Experience", if you catch my drift. Nobody would put themselves through that on purpose. I guarantee Rush would not have been able to handle it, and would have gone the easier route of 'managed withdrawal'. This I bet is going on to this day. He's probably did the rapid detox (again), was medicated for the 30 days, then came out with a script of Bupe or m-Done's. He would have to in order to still be functioning. You cannot come back that fast from a longtime habit at anywhere near that level of dope.

If he'd have gone 'turkey off that dose of Oxy, he would've come out SO humbled and drained, he would've had to call in sick at least another month, which he never did. It would have been awhile before he could've been "rush" again (he may yet still not even be rush anymore if he truly gets sober...)

Why? Well, if you spent YEARS, all high off your ass, doing an act like 'Radio rush', then keep alive that destructive persona (that you portray as 'yourself' like Rush does) AFTER you get clean? Good LUCK keeping clean. Sobriety demands RIGOROUS honesty in all ones affairs. Simply put, I believe he WILL end up dead if he continues to perform as "Rush Limbaugh". Not only because you have to change your life in order to get sober, but beause lying is too big a part of who that "Rush" is.

IF the police and his doc decided to make his life (too) easy, they'd put him on a short leash - they'd have put him on a tapering program with weekly-lowering doses of OC. Which is REAL hard for a real addict to do. There's an unfortunate chance he would 'blow it' (due to the 'pain' - real or imagined, or dopesickness, perhaps a day when he's cut back a little too much) eventually. If he retains any access to 'more' drugs beyond what they have him on, he may be powerless to stop himself. And seeing as how you could never put it past a rich prick like Rush to 'work it', esp. in Jeb's FLA, I'd say he retains 'access'. Money and fame can get you pretty far in the whole 'drub procuring' world... Good chance lardass would blow it, trust me. Out of arrogance, partly, but also because the sickness is STRONG with OC. Very strong.

One way or another, it's likely that Rush the lying bloviator IS going to be GOING AWAY. I bet that character is mostly a creation of the drugs. Rush (the man) will either exorcise the evil Rush and hence stop doing this act, or the evil Radio Rush will take win out, who eventually will take Rush (the man) OUT.

Lastly, about the damn EAR thing? There is NO PROOF, I repeat, NO PROOF that opiates cause damage to the ears. They may decrease hearing while in use, due to their numbing qualities, but they DO NOT damage ears or hearing. If OC damaged hearing, every junkie on the street would be deaf. Yet they are not. There was a scare that Vicodin could hurt your ears, never proven. If Vicodin caused this problem, I'd bet it's really the APAP, not the hydrocodone. OC DOES NOT CAUSE EAR TROUBLE, period.

Actually, opiates are generally totally harmless to your body of themselves. They are just artificial dopamine. There is no safer drug in the world than an opiate, when used as directed. It's the addiction and lifestyle that kill ya!

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 06:36 AM
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24. Google Vicodin+deafness
I got pages and pages of hits. This one was interesting:

It was just two months after the FDA was notified for the second time of the connection between the abuse of Vicodin and hearing loss, that conservative radio pundit Rush Limbaugh announced to his audience that he had gone almost totally deaf over the period of several months. The cause, according to Limbaugh's doctors, was Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease (AIED), which wasn't responding to normal treatment.

more at:

http://www.alternativeapproaches.com/news_index99.html
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dno Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 04:50 AM
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20. He must be joking right!
I'm getting dizzy from the spin!
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george_w_snatch Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 05:29 AM
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21. please make this guy do some time
can you just imagine how many suitors are lining up to take him on a 'date'?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 07:39 AM
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25. We're talking Oxycontins here, not Altoids, Roy...
Oxys are what, 1, maybe 2 every 6 hours?

He's struggling, and struggling poorly...
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