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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:21 AM
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Rival Camps Plan Inevitable Merger: Clinton, Obama Supporters Discuss Combined Effort to Win in Nov.
Source: Washington Post, Page One

By Matthew Mosk and Chris Cillizza
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, May 18, 2008; Page A01

Top fundraisers for Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have begun private talks aimed at merging the two candidates' teams, not waiting for the Democratic nominating process to end before they start preparations for a hard-fought fall campaign. Despite Obama's apparently insurmountable lead in delegates needed to claim the nomination, aides to both candidates are resigned to the idea that the Democratic contest will continue at least through June 3, when Montana and South Dakota will cast the final votes of the primary season.

But in small gatherings around Washington and in planning sessions for party unity events in New York and Boston in coming weeks, fundraisers and surrogates from both camps are discussing how they can put aside the vitriol of the past 18 months and move forward to ensure that the eventual nominee has the resources to defeat Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in November....

***

Even with the work in top levels of the party to broker a detente between Obama and Clinton donors, both sides acknowledge there is much still to be done. Top fundraisers have invested not only their time and money but also their emotions in the primary battle. Major financial backers say the tensions have been particularly acute in recent weeks as frustrations have mounted in both camps....

***

Last week, the Democratic National Committee announced that both campaigns had signed a "joint fundraising agreement" creating a fund in which donations to each candidate could be pooled with contributions to the party and then used during the general election....

In addition to the fledgling attempts to merge the fundraising operations of Obama and Clinton, there is growing talk that the best -- and perhaps only -- way to truly mend the rift is for Obama to pick a top Clinton surrogate as his vice presidential nominee. "There's gale-force pressure for Obama to choose a Clinton loyalist as a running mate to heal the party but avoid putting her and her formidable baggage on the ticket," said one Obama ally in Washington. "You hear the names (Ohio Gov. Ted) Strickland, (Indiana Sen. Evan) Bayh, and (retired General) Wes Clark almost constantly, and it's no secret that Jim Johnson and Tom Daschle are purveyors of that wisdom."


She may be trailing, but Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has plenty of supporters and big donors. If Sen. Barack Obama wins the nomination, he will need them. (Elise Amendola/AP)

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/17/AR2008051702425.html?hpid=topnews
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:58 AM
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1. There's the "Inevitable" bullshit agian. First the carrot NOW THE STICK from the M$M.
  "You vill aksept Hillary on zee ticket, PROLE!"

PB
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:16 AM
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2. No, they're reporting people are saying not Hillary.
"pressure for Obama to choose a Clinton loyalist as a running mate to heal the party but avoid putting her and her formidable baggage on the ticket"
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:55 AM
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25. How much of a 'loyalist' is Wes Clark?
Didn't he urge her to drop out after NC? As an Obama supporter, I'd even consider being *happy* about a Wes Clark VP nod... and then there's always Bill Richardson, 'tho the Clinton clan is a bit miffed with him right now...


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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:27 AM
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3. What It's All About
Maybe there's nothing more sinister than planning the reunification of the Democratic Party in order to defeat John McCain and to put the Republican Party out of business for a decade or two.

Besides, hardly any of us Hillary supporters like to torture cats and eat babies.

--p!
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klebean Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:09 AM
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4. ditto Pigwidgeon n/t
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:23 AM
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5. Well said, all points.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:49 AM
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7. Thanks for not forgetting....

about those few(?) baby eating cat torturers who, even worse, have sworn allegiance to the government/corporate fascist cabal who have sold us out and stolen our countries good name with their enthusiastic collaboration during the unprovoked criminal military occupation of Iraq and condoning systemic torture among other atrocities they were/are complicit in supporting.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:36 AM
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6. Let him pick the best person for the job...Period!
No DLC cronies.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:22 AM
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8. Both camps finding common ground, planning cooperation?
Better not let GD-P know. They'll come after you with machetes.

What is it with this common sense crap anyway?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:13 AM
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23. Dare ya to post this in there.
It's like throwing raw meat in a front of a bunch of tigers.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:50 AM
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9. Richardson is about the only Hillary supporter I'd go for
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:52 AM
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13. Richardson endorsed Obama - and the Clinton campaign reacted quite nastily to it. nt
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:02 AM
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10. I find the joint funraising agreement troublesome - will HRC be able to pull out her $20 mill debt?
from the "joint" pool of money?
?

"Last week, the Democratic National Committee announced that both campaigns had signed a "joint fundraising agreement" creating a fund in which donations to each candidate could be pooled with contributions to the party and then used during the general election...."
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:05 AM
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11. The rich became rich on the backs of the poor.

Exploiting poor people is a classic road to mega-riches. Ask the Waltons!

The politically disconnected always pay a disproportionately large portion of the freight. Check out the regressive IRS tax code and the effect of the myriad other confiscatory tax schemes, often hidden, for graphic examples.

Pay up (and the rich would prefer you to also shut up) sheeple!

Most tax revenue is used to keep poor people in line in AmeriKKKa and around the world.

Ironic isn't it?

We are paying for our subjugation.

The best political system money can buy!!!


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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 AM
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21. No--according the DNC press release
The money would go toward the DNC and the general election--not the coffers of an individual candidate. (link)
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:14 AM
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12. OMG! An Outbreak of common sense in this Primary? Surely you jest!
Primaries are always painful but they ARE how any party self defines. In this particular primary it has been especially brutal but it does not change the fact that once the blasted thing is over the Dem party has to unify or die.

I find it all especially breathtaking because the stuff we are ALL fighting for (and about) is really only shades of difference rather than fundamental philosophical chasms. While I admit freely to being right in the thick of things in GDP, I also will lecture about watching a local Dem party self destruct based on ONE Primary six years ago.

There was one faction that refused to let it go and there was a lack of leadership to heal the breech. As a result, we still have a circular firing squad in the local party and gains made through unity are now in danger. I'd hate to see the DNC make that same rookie mistake.

I've been a Clarkie from WAY back, and I'd love to see the General on the ticket. Lord knows he'd erase any advantage McCain can claim from his military service, and frankly I have never heard anyone speak with such intelligence on foreign diplomacy.

YMMV.


Laura
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:10 AM
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14. I like the General. eom
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:28 AM
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15. Everybody sees the handwriting on the wall but Hillary.
I wish she would lead for once, instead of being led by opinion and circumstances.

The only one of the FOB&H I'd like to see as Obama's VP would be Wes Clark, because he's so damned smart and he's got the military credentials and Southern ties that could help in the GE.

Evan Bayh??? Blllllaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggg!!! :puke:
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:52 PM
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16. Hmmm ... merge with the team that blew 40 point leads ... EVERYWHERE !!!

Geez, this is a hard decision. Do you merge with a team that blew a forty point lead virtually everywhere (except West Virginia and Illinois) and is 20 million in the whole.

Hmmm... have to think hard about that one.

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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:51 PM
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19. "...in the whole" ---what?
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:21 PM
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26. Apples and oranges
One is about helping in the general campaign, filling in gaps from Obama's resume, and the other is campaigning and planning for the campaign expertise.

I personally don't think BO should take on HRC as VP - it invalidates his whole change shtick - but I do think it would be nice if he offerred her the next supreme court nomination. She'd be great at that and is certainly more qualified than Harriett Miers. Plus, coming from the Senate, I think she'd be a shoo-in. Promise her that, plus make Bill special ambassador, and you've got unity plus two strong people busy, not interferring, and even better doing constructive work for the company and administration.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:23 PM
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17. ABC: Obama, Clinton Fundraisers Looking to Fall Together
Obama, Clinton Fundraisers Looking to Fall Together
Fundraisers Are Talking While Candidates Are Still Trading Jabs

Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama may be locked in a state-by-state battle for the Democratic presidential nomination, but with no end in sight, the party's fundraisers aren't wasting any time.

Obama is poised to declare victory after the primaries on Tuesday.ABC News has learned that fundraisers for the two candidates are discussing how to merge their war chests into a single campaign focused on taking on Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona in November.

Each party eventually unifies its donor base, but what makes this move unusual is that the campaign is still hard-fought and relations are strained. The Clinton campaign confirmed the move, saying, "We believe Hillary Clinton will be that nominee."

Talk of a joint war chest comes as the two candidates prepare for an expected split decision in the primaries being held Tuesday.

Clinton will be in Kentucky, where the New York senator is expected to win handily.

more:http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4882281&page=1

CNN is saying Obama's camp is denying the rumor. :shrug:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:32 PM
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18. See? Even they know it WON'T be clinton.
Good.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:10 AM
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20. "Top fundraisers" do not equate to "campaign officials"
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:15 AM by rocknation
What the DNC has done in start up a new fund which will allow Obama and Clinton to raise money for the "general election and for the DNC"--NOT Hillary or Obama's "personal" campaign coffers. So I'm not surprised that the Obama camp is denying any involvement in these activities.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:31 AM
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22. The Associated Pukes, Wapo and a few others (Miama Herald on the South America left)
really need to studied closely for fascist/corporate spin, twist and manipulation, and the crap they are spewing made conscious, cuz they'll frackin poison your mind otherwise, with messages like YOU don't count, only the BIG DONORS count...

Follow the bouncing ball (in boldface): (= YOU don't count...) (also, = predictions that leave out the People; things as they will surely be, because that's the corporate rulers pre-written narrative...)

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"Top fundraisers for Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have begun private talks aimed at merging the two candidates' teams, not waiting for the Democratic nominating process to end before they start preparations for a hard-fought fall campaign. Despite Obama's apparently insurmountable lead in delegates needed to claim the nomination, aides to both candidates are resigned to the idea that the Democratic contest will continue at least through June 3, when Montana and South Dakota will cast the final votes of the primary season.

But in small gatherings around Washington and in planning sessions for party unity events in New York and Boston in coming weeks, fundraisers and surrogates from both camps are discussing how they can put aside the vitriol of the past 18 months and ("how they can") move forward to ensure that the eventual nominee has the resources to defeat Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in November....

***

Even with the work in top levels of the party to broker a detente between Obama and Clinton donors, both sides acknowledge there is much still to be done. Top fundraisers have invested not only their time and money but also their emotions in the primary battle. Major financial backers say the tensions have been particularly acute in recent weeks as frustrations have mounted in both camps....

***

Last week, the Democratic National Committee announced that both campaigns had signed a "joint fundraising agreement" creating a fund in which donations to each candidate could be pooled with contributions to the party and then used during the general election....

In addition to the fledgling attempts to merge the fundraising operations of Obama and Clinton, there is growing talk that the best -- and perhaps only -- way to truly mend the rift is for Obama to pick a top Clinton surrogate as his vice presidential nominee. "There's gale-force pressure for Obama to choose a Clinton loyalist as a running mate to heal the party but avoid putting her and her formidable baggage on the ticket," said one Obama ally in Washington. "You hear the names (Ohio Gov. Ted) Strickland, (Indiana Sen. Evan) Bayh, and (retired General) Wes Clark almost constantly, and it's no secret that Jim Johnson and Tom Daschle are purveyors of that wisdom."


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The message of this article is "Fuck you!" to the American People--"We still control everything--us and the BIG DONORS 'gathering in small groups' in Washington." I sense Beltway hysteria at the Washington Post. They can't control this amazing citizen activist movement that has arisen around the Obama campaign and that has replaced THEIR pick for our Democratic Party nominee with an insurgent who will, to a much greater extent than would be the case with their pick, be beholden to THE PEOPLE.

The REAL story of the Obama campaign is absent from this article. It is YOUR story. It is the story of SMALL DONORS beating a big, rich peoples' money machine, and of millions of people rallying to a Peoples' candidate, many of them because they have nowhere else to go--there is no one left standing who OPPOSED THIS GODDAMNED WAR. SEVENTY PERCENT of the American people oppose this war, and the Beltway establishment not only shoved this war down our throats, they have been STONE DEAF to our demands to end it. So they will give you no credit. They hate you. They don't want rule by the People. They despise democracy. They want rule by global corporate predators. And they figure that, once the thing gets back into their clutches, inside the Beltway, they can control it, keep the war profiteers fat, maintain the Iraq "occupation" (war) to protect the oil contracts, maybe grab Venezuela's and Ecuador's oil by toppling their democratic governments, and consolidate their enormous gains under the Bush Junta.

One of their ways of maintaining control will likely be to shave Obama's mandate, using a combo of the Bushite-corporate controlled "trade secret" voting machines, and other techniques like Bushite voter purges, and non-stop corporate propaganda and manipulation. That's why they predict "a hard-fought campaign." Obama should wipe the sidewalk with McCain. The man is missing many brain cells. He has trouble putting simple declarative sentences together. He can't think on his feet. He's almost as bad as Bush. But...somehow...it's going to be close ("hard-fought"). So says the Washington Post's crystal ball.

All decisions will be made by "BIG DONORS" and "TOP FUNDRAISERS" in "SMALL" (elite, don't include you) "GATHERINGS" in Washington DC. Got that? And you will pay Hillary's debt through a "joint fund." And you will swallow a Hillary "surrogate" on the ticket. And you will shut up.

I am not against solutions, workable compromises, grass roots workers cooperating with each other, and all people having a voice in our party and our democracy. I am not against party leaders talking things out, and reaching decisions, after they've heard everyone. But this artificial "bitterness" that the corporate crapnews has narrated is mostly illusion. A tough campaign like this one has been a GOOD campaign. This is what democracy looks like--in case anyone had forgotten, or is too young to remember. Study up on the vitriol thrown at Thomas Jefferson in his campaigns for president, and at FDR, and at JFK (vicious anti-Catholicism). It's par for the course. There is no special "bitterness." This is politics. And this was furthermore a great campaign because really important principles were at issue, about our country's warmongering, about our policy in oil-rich South America, and about who is going to control this party--the people or the big donors and big bosses.

Whatever happens from this point on, the rebirth of democracy that has occurred in this primary fight is the BEST THING that has ever happened in American political life, in over half a century, and possibly in our entire history.

We must NEVER let these jerks at the Washington Post and their war profiteer buddies and their corporate puppetmasters disempower us again--like they are trying to do, in this typical article dripping with disempowering messages. Never, ever, ever again. Make it conscious. Fight it! The BIG DONORS have been DEFEATED...by YOU. By the grass roots. By the People. By our MILLION donations. YOU are calling the shots, at long last. The American People are back! And they are sweating this at the Washington Post. Believe me. Their fear couldn't be more apparent. And they are conniving to get YOU, the people, the grass roots, the voters, out of the power equation again. That is why YOU are NOT in this article.

Hillary supporters, please know that none of what I have said here is meant to dis your campaign work or your judgment of the candidates. Your activism has been magnificent. You made it a contest. You helped give us a fully vetted, fully tested, "been through the fire" candidate for November. All your work and support for Hillary Clinton helped us all to SEE the candidates better, and to understand our own party and our national political establishment much, much better. A primary campaign should be an education. It should help identify and hone policies. It is best when it includes sharp differences, and intelligent advocates. It should build organization. By your advocacy, you have done all this and more. I am not talking about YOU, for instance, when I say that Clinton is the WaPo's choice, and Obama's is the People's choice. I am just as angry at their leaving YOU out of this Beltway power trip, as I am at their leaving Obama's supporters out. Together with Obama supporters, you have shown the Republican Party up for what it is: an empty sack. WE had a real political contest. What did THEY have?

Let us all work now to re-establish the first principle of our democracy, the one that the Washington Post leaves out: rule of, by and for the People.
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vivalarevolucion77 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:43 AM
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24. I doubt this will happen
Michelle Obama reportedly opposes the "dream ticket". Souses doubtless have influence over their partners' decisions. We'll see.
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