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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:06 PM
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Illegal immigrant shot in Arizona desert
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 01:14 PM by JudiLyn
Illegal immigrant shot in Arizona desert

10:26 AM Mountain Standard Time on Friday, January 23, 2004


Associated Press Report

TUCSON -- An illegal immigrant from Mexico is hospitalized in Tucson in critical condition after being shot while walking through the desert.
The Pima County Sheriff's Department is investigating, but investigators don't know who shot the man nor have they identified a
motive.

The 23-year-old victim, his uncle and four other men had crossed the U.S.-Mexico border near Sasabe, Ariz., Monday.

About 3 a.m. the next morning -- while the group was in the desert -- the uncle said someone turned a bright light on them. In the next second, he said, he heard a shot and his nephew screaming.

As the men scattered, the uncle said the shooter turned off the flashlight and walked away.
(snip/)

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews200...
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On edit:

From same registration site, an article from yesterday:

Protesters greet Bush at Mesa town hall
President's visit "pointless" says 19-year-old student
08:10 AM Mountain Standard Time on Thursday, January 22, 2004

By Tina Tran / azfamily.com Staff


Taking his State of the Union message on the road, President Bush touted his domestic agenda before students and local leaders at Mesa Community College Wednesday.

One of the topics of discussion, which included a three-student panel, was Bush's proposed $250 million job-training program for community colleges. Democrats have criticized the plan as modest.

Patrick Fjeld, a junior at MCC and a former Arizona State University student, said he supports such funding, especially at the community college level.

"They -- the instructors -- are actually here to teach, not do research," Fjeld said, questioning how Bush would drum up the funds given the current deficit.

Nineteen-year-old Rachel Martin said she also supports the funding, but called the President's visit to MCC "pointless."

Martin said she doubted Bush's commitment to students, saying that only a handful were allowed to attend Bush's town hall, and that many MCC classes were actually canceled because of the visit.
(snip/...)

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews200...


Tina Tran/azfamily.com
Protesters gather outside President Bush's town hall meeting in Mesa Wednesday.


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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:15 PM
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1. Sounds like 'Ranch rescue'
from www.conwebwatch.com - If Only Biased Reporting Was Illegal

<snip>

Dougherty plays T-ball with the spokesman for a group called Ranch Rescue, a "citizen border group" whose stated goal is to "stem the daily flow of illegal aliens over America's southern border in the absence of adequate government patrols." It can probably be assumed that Dougherty didn't see fit to include any dissenting views of Ranch Rescue in his book, such as that of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which calls Ranch Rescue "a group of vigilantes ... They conduct paramilitary operations and equip themselves with high-powered assault rifles, handguns, night-vision devices, two-way radios, observation posts, flares, machetes, all-terrain vehicles, and trained attack dogs." The head of Ranch Rescue's Arizona branch, Casey Nethercott, was arrested for allegedly pistol-whipping and holding a Salvadoran couple against their will. Dougherty probably didn't put that in his book, either, especially since he quotes his Ranch dude as saying, "In every case, the one standard that we apply is that everything we do be within the law." (Dougherty lobs another softball to him on the vigilantism allegation, allowing him to dismiss it as "an uninformed opinion."

Also likely missing from Dougherty's book is what exactly Nethercott's Arizona operation is putting together -- which, according to local reports, seems to be a paramilitary operation, complete with guard towers, bunkers, barracks, a helicopter landing pad and indoor weapons range, not to mention gun-mounted dune buggies and .50-caliber sniper rifles with a range of up to two miles. As blogger David Neiwert (where all this first appeared) points out, "why, exactly, does it need a sniper rifle that can kill from two miles away?"

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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:20 PM
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2. Because INS won't secure the border to protect Americans.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:10 PM
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6. I didn't realize being an illegal immigrant was a death penalty offense.
I agree that the border needs to be defended and illegals deported.

I don't agree that lunatic fringe gun-toting lynch mobs should be allowed to fill in for the border patrol.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:44 PM
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7. Does Sound Like Ranch Rescue
This shooting could quite easily be the handiwork of Ranch Rescue, and I wouldn't be surprised if a competent, thorough criminal investigation would trace this back to those xenophobic nutcases (Assuming that we get such an investigation.

Unfortunately, there are also other possibilities, such as unaffiliated xenophobes or one group or the other of the immigrant and drug-smuggling gangs found along the border a long ways from law and order.
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monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 06:35 PM
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15. He might have "broken" the desert
He could have been there stealing sand, or rustling scorpions. I feel safer with these manly men riding around in the desert and shooting at families in the dark and running away. Why, a terrorist wouldn't think of crossing a great nation with such manly men.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 02:58 PM
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14. Here's how to win the War Against Illegal Aliens!
Lou Dobbs had a piece about a guy who makes $9/hr washing dishes

He shares a rented house with 9 other people, and he is happy!

Americans can beat illegal immigration if they will just be willing to change their lifestyles and work for a globally competitive wage at the jobs that need doing.

Maybe they won't make $9/hr, that is pretty high for dishwashing, but the point is that all work is dignified, even if it isn't what you went to school for. You will always have your schoolday memories, and the real benefits of education aren't about money.

Don't just complain! Start tomorrow. Instead of going to your overpaid desk job, call in Pro-American!

If you're unemployed, stop wasting your money on resumes and laundered shirts and get to work!

Go down to the local convenience store and take your place among those illegal aliens waiting for day work.

It's your birthright! claim it!

Other things you can do to win the war against illegal aliens:

Sell your house. Send the money to Washington to help pay for more soldiers to guard the borders and shoot the illegal aliens who try to get into America to steal American jobs.

Get together with family members or friends or neighbors and go in together on a one-bedroom apartment in a low income area that you can all share. To save space, get rid of bulky furniture and use plastic garbage bags. You'll save money, too!

The illegal aliens think you are weak. They think you can't live without your electricity and your telephones and your fancy food. Prove them wrong!

Beans and tortillas are inexpensive and nutritious. You will be able to feed your entire extended family for pennies a day! Every day, year in and year out!

Once you take these patriotic steps, you'll notice an added benefit - now you can travel light! Relocation isn't the big bugaboo it used to be! Spring is coming, and that means plenty of honest work in the open air - for the whole family! Many growers even provide housing and food, and take the cost right out of your wages - you won't even miss it!

Sure winning the war against illegal aliens will mean some changes, but those changes mean keeping American jobs safe for American workers and being a part of the exciting global economy, which means more good news for the war on terror!
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:23 PM
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3. Where are the articles that share how
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 01:24 PM by liberalnurse
campers and local prospectors get their throat slit when out in the desert having fun? Yes, this is why Arizona has an open gun carry law. The drug pack mules will take you home to the promised land.

I sure wouldn't be caught without a pistol out there either. In fact, I carried my 38 there in Tuscon when I was there with my family.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:37 PM
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5. Yes, where are the articles?
I've heard these stories too, and according to friends on the Arizona border, it's all bullshit.

It doesn't happen like you insinuate.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:35 PM
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4. I wish they would police the border
This is sad. I hate to hear about anyone getting shot. If rich assholes would stop using these people as slave labor we might be able to resolve this problem.
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Overkil Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:42 PM
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8. Could be a coyote too......
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 10:06 PM by Overkil
Coyotes are what they call the smugglers.....Kill one on the way and the rest will make sure to pay up when they get to the promised land. They find a few shot out in the desert execution style every month just west of phoenix.

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special03/articles/01...

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special03/articles/10...

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special03/articles/11...
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cjm2222 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:58 PM
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11. According to this article
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 12:00 AM by cjm2222
coyotes are getting far more aggressive and dangerous.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1035263/posts

On Edit: Ignore. The story is from a San Diego newspaper, but was on freerepublic.com. Sorry. Ignore--please.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:08 PM
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9. The final solution?
Create a problem so you have to solve it with a solution of your own design.

Create a massive illegal alien problem.

Solution:
National ID card and massive surveillance.

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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:41 PM
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10. Unfortunately this is nothing new
It's happened before on the border, witht he Fimbres Apache Expedition in the 30's

In 1930, the tiny band of Indians made international headlines when a
Mexican rancher named Francisco Fimbres started recruiting American
gunslingers to wipe them out, Meed said.


http://www.swanet.org/zarchives/gotcaliche/alldailyedit...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 02:08 PM
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13. Thanks so much. Never knew about this.
So sad.

From the article:

"They wouldn't have caught a single Indian anyway," said Pedro Fimbres, a
nephew of Francisco Fimbres who has converted his house in the village of
Colonia Juarez into a makeshift family museum. Enshrined under glass, his
prize exhibit is a blurry, 1931 Arizona Daily Star photo showing his
now-deceased uncle holding up a fistful of Apache scalps.
(snip)
So this was going on even in the 1930's. That's something to live down.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:14 PM
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16. Not many people do
I happened to see an article about the Fimbres Expedition in the newspaper a few years ago.

They were the last Indians to hold out against the US, fifty years after Geronimo.
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Adapter44 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:09 AM
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12. Bet money it's those gun nuts
that are patroling the area for "terrorists" coming across the border.
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