SFO wrong to drop BAE inquiry, court rules

[Eugene]

Source: The Guardian

11.45am BST update
SFO wrong to drop BAE inquiry, court rules

Peter Walker and agencies
guardian.co.uk, Thursday April 10 2008

The Serious Fraud Office (SFO) acted unlawfully in dropping
an investigation into alleged bribery in an arms deal between
BAE Systems and Saudi Arabia, the high court ruled today.

In a stunning victory for the activist groups that launched
the legal challenge, the two judges said Tony Blair's
government and the SFO caved in too readily to threats by
Saudi Arabia over intelligence sharing and trade.

In an often scathing judgement, Lord Justice Moses and
Justice Sullivan rejected the SFO's argument that it was
powerless to resist the Saudi threats.

"So bleak a picture of the impotence of the law invites at
least dismay, if not outrage," they said.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/10/bae.armstrade

[acmavm]

1. Good for the Brits! You won't see that kind of justice here in the

States anytime soon.

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. The thing is, we have no idea if this verdict will have any effect whatsoever

I doubt anyone will be prosecuted for anything, or lose their job. I'd be surprised if Tony Blair gets so much as a slap on the wrist for covering up the bribes.

[acmavm]

3. But at least you guys ACKNOWLEDGE when your leaders do

something shakey like this. We just have people who will lie to us or, in the case of our democratic congress, will help them get away with it.

[midnight]

4. I believe this too, but why?

[maddezmom]

5. kick

[Octafish]

6. UK wrong to halt Saudi arms probe (BAE)

Source: BBC

The High Court has ruled that the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) acted unlawfully by dropping a corruption inquiry into a £43bn Saudi arms deal.

In a hard-hitting ruling, two High Court judges described the SFO's decision as an "outrage".

Defence firm BAE was accused of making illegal payments to Saudi officials to secure contracts, but the firm maintains that it acted lawfully.

The SFO said national security would have been undermined by the inquiry.

The legal challenge had been made by Corner House and the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT).

'Failure of government'

In handing down the decision on Thursday, one of the judges, Lord Justice Moses, told the High Court that the SFO and the government had given into "blatant threats" that Saudi co-operation in the fight against terror would end unless the probe into corruption was halted.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7339231.stm

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Bandar Bush and Tony the Poodle may soon spend time in the dock at the Old Bailey.

, let alone the rest of their lives behind bars?

[seemslikeadream]

7. BAE = WAR PROFITEERS

BAE brings in a pair of Army contracts


http://www.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2007/08/27/daily5.html

A New Hampshire-based defense contractor reports it has won an $8 million federal research grant to develop a power amplifier for the U.S. Army.

A Merrimack, N.H., BAE Systems Inc. site is scheduled to develop a 160-watt gallium nitride amplifier to power communications and radar systems. The grant was awarded to BAE by the Defense Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for the U.S. Army Communications-Electronics Research, Development and Engineering Center, based in Fort Monmouth, N.J. BAE is expected to share the grant with Virginia-based materials science company Rohm and Haas Co. and the University of Colorado.


In a separate development, a Massachusetts-based unit of BAE reports it plans to develop night vision goggles for the U.S. Army for an undisclosed contract amount. The Program Executive Office Solider, based at Fort Belvoir, Va., commissioned the work, according to company officials.

BAE Systems Inc. is the U.S. subsidiary of United Kingdom-based BAE Systems PLC. BAE Systems Inc. is headquartered in Rockville, Md. BAE Systems Information & Electronic Systems Integration Inc., a business unit of BAE Systems, is based in Nashua, N.H. BAE Systems PLC employs 88,000 workers worldwide and reported 2006 annual sales of $25 billion. The largest North American BAE operating group is the Electronics & Integrated Solutions group.


BAE already has an order from India for 66 BAE Hawk trainers, 42 of which are being built there.
Posted by seemslikeadream on Wed Aug-29-07 06:07 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aIVNGXZDbsww&refer=india

BAE Systems to Develop Enhanced Night-Vision Goggle For U.S. Army


http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070827005480&newsLang=en


LEXINGTON, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--BAE Systems will design and develop a digitally enhanced night-vision goggle as part of the U.S. Army’s Enhanced Night Vision Goggle program. This next-generation goggle will use digital imagery to improve soldier mobility and situational awareness under all lighting conditions and in the presence of battlefield obscurants.

The helmet-mounted goggle will digitally combine video imagery from a low-light-level visible sensor and an uncooled long-wave infrared sensor on a single color display located in front of the soldier's eye. This digital technology will provide improved image quality and will enable imagery to be shared among soldiers, improving platoon effectiveness.

“This program will demonstrate the maturity and effectiveness of digital fusion technology and its benefit to the warfighter,” said Margaret Kohin, Advanced Systems program director for BAE Systems in Lexington, Massachusetts. “Applying innovative technology to help our soldiers complete their missions is an objective BAE Systems stands behind every day.”

The contract is managed by the Program Executive Office Soldier at Fort Belvoir, Virginia.

BAE Systems will incorporate its uncooled MicroIR® microbolometer sensor technology in the enhanced goggle. This technology also is used in the thermal weapon sights the company supplies to the Army. BAE Systems has two microbolometer foundries and has delivered more than 50,000 microbolometer-based imagers to date.

About BAE Systems

BAE Systems is the premier global defense and aerospace company, delivering a full range of products and services for air, land, and naval forces, as well as advanced electronics, information technology solutions and customer support services. BAE Systems, with 96,000 employees worldwide, had 2006 sales that exceeded $27 billion on a pro forma basis, assuming BAE Systems had owned Armor Holdings Inc. for the whole of 2006.

1692661, $519 million deal to supply the U.S. military with 1,170 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles

http://www.thestreet.com/s/merger-bolsters-bae/newsanalysis/general/10375090.html?puc=googlefi

OKLAHOMA CITY -- With its huge buyout of Armor Holdings, U.K. defense contractor BAE Systems (BAESY - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr) may have very well gotten more than its money's worth.

Notably, just weeks before that transaction closed, Armor landed a surprise $519 million deal to supply the U.S. military with 1,170 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles. With similar MRAP business of its own, BAE has suddenly burst forward as a new leader in the multibillion-dollar MRAP game.

This story is the fourth installment in TheStreet.com's five-part series examining the top players in the multibillion-dollar MRAP bidding.

"In 2007 to date, BAE plus AH have captured ... No. 1 market share -- ahead of Force Protection (FRPT - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr) and International Military and Government," a unit of Navistar (NAVZ - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr), noted JPMorgan analyst Harry Breach, whose firm has investment banking ties to BAE. Moreover, "we believe that further MRAP awards are likely later this year."

BAE demos DSL-esque military radio protocol
Posted by seemslikeadream on Wed Aug-29-07 06:13 PM

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/20/bae_dsl_via_link_16 /

According to BAE, "the demonstration included Internet Protocol (IP) connectivity, Voice over IP, mobile ad-hoc networking, streaming video, and imagery."

The share price of BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence company, has risen 225 per cent.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article2337229.ece

Symon Hill, a spokesman for the Campaign Against Arms Trade, said: “We think that most of the British public will object to the idea that these companies are profiting from war. While Iraqi civilians and British soldiers are dying, there are companies profiting from it.”

Accusations of making money from war are seen as unfair by the businessmen who run Britain’s defence industry. While the industry in the United States is loaded with former generals and admirals, British executives tend to be engineers or entrepreneurs. They are not career soldiers and get frustrated when they are presented as warmongers.

Revealed: official passes that give BAE access to the top at the MoD



http://www.guardian.co.uk/baefiles/story/0,,2149644,00.html

Incestuous' relationship must end, says MP
Lobbyist among 38 given free access to ministry

Rob Evans and David Leigh
Thursday August 16, 2007
The Guardian


The Ministry of Defence has given security passes to 38 employees of the arms giant BAE, allowing them to go in and out of the ministry's headquarters as they please, it has been revealed.
The disclosure has triggered accusations that the relationship between the MoD and BAE is too close and allows the arms company to exert too much political influence over the government. The MoD is refusing to disclose the names of the BAE employees with the official passes, or why they were given them, saying the information would breach their privacy and security. However, it is known that one has been held by BAE's chief lobbyist, Julian Scopes. The pass gave him access to the top levels of the ministry, enabling him to lobby ministers and senior officials and promote BAE's commercial interests.

BAE - $368 million to build and refurbish naval weapon systems,


http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/user/anon/page/default.psml/js_panename/News+Information+Article+View ;jsessionid=1DC948DE7A201E05F88DA8A5F1D73E43.tomcat2?articleid=81859&showfull=false


BAE Systems Receives Navy Basic Ordering Agreement for Weapons and Support Services
(2007-08-24)
By: Copyright Business Wire 2007 , Business Wire

BAE Systems has received a Basic Ordering Agreement (BOA) from the U.S. Navy for up to $368 million to build and refurbish naval weapon systems, and provide support services over the next five years. Potential orders received under this BOA are expected later this year and will be carried out by BAE Systems' facilities in Minneapolis and Louisville.

"This agreement will give us the opportunity to continue to serve the U.S. Navy and provide our sailors with critical naval weapon systems and support services," said Dennis Morris, BAE Systems' president of Armament Systems.

The BOA covers a wide range of BAE Systems' programs including the transition of production of the Mk 110 57mm naval gun system; the overhaul, manufacture and upgrade of the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun for the Cruiser Modernization program, the Mk 75 76mm gun mount, the Mk 42 extended range guided missile handling mechanism, the Mk 32 surface vessel torpedo tubes (SVTT), and the Mk 36/53 decoy launcher systems (DLS); the manufacture of gun barrels; the overhaul of turbine pump ejection systems (TPES); and work associated with minor caliber guns.

"This BOA demonstrates to us that our employees have been successful in meeting the customer's needs -- and that's our priority - delivering solutions on time and on budget," said Morris.


BAE wins $8m US defense contract to develop GaN amplifier ELECTRONIC WARFARE

http://www.semiconductor-today.com/news_items/NEWS_2007/AUG_07/BAE_230807.htm

BAE wins $8m US defense contract to develop GaN amplifier
UK-based aerospace and defense contractor BAE Systems says that its Electronics & Integrated Solutions (E&IS) business in Merrimack, NH, USA has been awarded an $8m contract from the US Army Communications-Electronics Command to develop a 160 Watt gallium nitride power amplifier for communications, electronic warfare, and radar applications. Partnering BAE Systems on the program are materials supplier Rohm and Haas of Blacksburg, VI, USA and the University of Colorado.

The solid-state technology will replace the older traveling-wave vacuum tubes that are currently used to produce high-power radio frequency signals, and are intended to aid warfighters by more effectively disrupting enemy communications and radar signals, while protecting friendly communications.

“DARPA has identified BAE Systems’ GaN technology as an important material for future military applications in electronic warfare, radar, and air-to-ground, air-to-satellite, and ground-to-ground communications systems,” says Dr John Evans, the manager for DARPA’s Disruptive Manufacturing Technology program (through which it solicits proposals to reduce cost and time for production of military components). BAE Systems was chosen from among 40 bidders.

“Using this technology, we can develop systems that are significantly less expensive, more reliable, and lower in weight,” says Tony Immorlica, program manager of microwave device programs at BAE Systems. The first prototypes could be deployed by the end of the decade

Cannon for the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program


http://digital50.com/news/items/BW/2001/07/14/20070822005666/bae-systems-congressional-community-and-army-leaders-celebrate-inauguration-of-elgi.html

BAE Systems, Congressional, Community and Army Leaders Celebrate Inauguration of Elgin Site
ELGIN, Okla.-(Business Wire)-August 22, 2007 - BAE Systems held a special inaugural ceremony in Elgin, Oklahoma to initiate work on BAE Systems - Elgin Operations, a 150,000 square-foot facility. The BAE Systems - Elgin Operations facility will be built by the city of Elgin in the Ft. Sill Industrial Park, and is scheduled to open in early 2009. Work at the new facility will initially focus on production integration and assembly of the Non-Line-of-Sight (NLOS) Cannon for the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program.

[Octafish]

10. Bandar Bush = BFEE Petrobank

Thanks, 'Dreamy. It's more than BAE.



The guy knows how to turn a buck.
Plus, Bandar knows how to turn a Bush to make a buck.
Guess that makes him "management."

[seemslikeadream]

13. Trail of the Dove

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iuFyWX3Rz8

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jIPMQSpiiE

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dclFejuvrwg

An exclusive interview with one of Britain's leading investigative journalists and a former insider, the Trail of the Dove reveals the extent of surcharges, commissions and the $100 millon secret fund used by the UK's leading arms firm, BAE Systems, to grease the wheels of the biggest arms deals in British history.

Al-Yamamah 'The Dove' is the name of a series of massive arms sales by the United Kingdom to Saudi Arabia. It is Britain's largest ever export agreement, and the prime contractor has been BAE Systems and its predecessor British Aerospace, which earned £43 billion in 20 years.

Both the UK's National Audit Office (report never released) and The Serious Fraud Office (halted) conducted investigations into corruption allegations. Trail of the Dove has also had access to ministry of defence secret documents and ambassadorial official correspondence that shows the level of corruption in the British arms trade.


New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tibaAAS5Zk

New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMnIBMm9HBQ

New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEwJ72VCrzI

NOW WE KNOW WHY:- Tony Blair has defended the government's decision to halt the Serious Fraud Office's (SFO) investigation into alleged bribery surrounding BAE Systems' contracts with Saudi Arabia.

The prime minister told the House of Commons continuing the investigation would have damaged the UK's relationship with Saudi Arabia.

However, he refuted allegations the attorney general Lord Goldsmith had attempted to block a subsequent Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) investigation as "completely and totally unfair and wrong".

It had been alleged Lord Goldsmith had warned officials not to disclose information to the OECD investigation.

Quizzed in prime minister's questions, Mr Blair defended the decision not to pursue an inquiry.

He said: "First of all these allegations are strenuously denied by the Saudi royal family, secondly if we were then going to conduct an investigation then that might last two, three years into these allegations that frankly I think would lead absolutely nowhere.

"What it would lead to is the complete wreckage of a relationship that is of fundamental importance of the security of this country, to the state of the Middle East, and to our relationship with countries in the Middle East."

Mr Blair continued: "I was asked for my advice as to what damage this investigation would do if it continued. I gave that advice because of the huge importance of working with Saudi Arabia on the Middle East peace process, on counter-terrorism, on the situation in the Middle East.

"I stick by that, and the idea frankly that such an investigation could be conducted without doing damage to our relationship is cloud cuckoo land, which after all is the natural habitat of the Liberal Democrats."

The Liberal Democrats have called on Mr Blair to confirm what he knew about the alleged bribery and when -- noting that bribery of a foreign official became illegal in 2002.

Since 1985, BAE Systems has signed £43 billion worth of arms contract with Saudi Arabia. But it was alleged these were agreed in return for payments totalling £1 billion to Prince Bander.

The government halted a SFO investigation in December 2006 and the case has since been investigated by the OECD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwdJpJkyKg



Former Saudi Ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar bin Sultan received hundreds of millions of pounds in secret payments from Britain's top defence manufacturer with the knowledge of Prime Minister Tony Blair's government, according to the BBC.
The payments made by BAE Systems were actually a conduit to Bandar for his role in the multi-billion al-Yamamah arms agreement, Britain's biggest ever export deal signed in 1985, the state-funded broadcaster said it had learned Thursday.
The alleged bribes were said to have been discovered during a year-long inquiry conducted by Britain's Serious Fraud Office (SFO), but which was abruptly halted last December after Blair said the investigation was a threat to national security.
The dropping of the investigation also came amid concerns that it might jeopardize a new multi-billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia to supply Eurofighters.
The BBC said that the payments, believed to total more than Pnds one billion (Dlrs 1.9 bn), were sent to two Saudi embassy accounts in Washington, were written into the government-to-government arms deal contract in secret annexes.
Allegations previously made in the British press have also suggested that Mark Thatcher, son of the British prime minister at the time, was also involved in the deal.
The al-Yamamah deal included the supply of more than 100 Tornado aircraft and is estimated to have been worth over Pnds 40 billion (Dlrs 78 bn) over more than a decade.
The new claims, to be made in the BBC's current affairs Panorama programme next Monday prompted the head of parliament's committee which investigates strategic exports, Labour MP Roger Berry, to call for a proper investigation into the allegations.
Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable said that if ministers in either the present or previous governments were involved there should be a "major parliamentary inquiry".
"It is one thing for a company to have engaged in alleged corruption overseas. It is another thing if British government ministers have approved it," Cable said. (more) (less)

[Lint Head]

8. The Saudis threatened Blair if he didn't 'call off the dogs'.

:dem:

[Octafish]

11. All these connected Aspens.

The BAE Files

Can't wait to see their arspens in the sling.

[angstlessk]

9. The headline says 'Wrong'...the article says 'UNLAWFUL' a crime in other words

I recon it is 'wrong' to rob a bank, but they never post headlines to say 'Joe Schmuckatellie wrong to deprive bank of its funds' NEVER SEEN IT...NEVER WILL!

[Octafish]

12. Good catch.

Unlike America's Corporate McPravda, BBC won't presume that the State would not change the law to match whatever its policies, no matter how tortured.

Either way, you're a hell of an editor and writer. "Joe Schmuckatellie." Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

[seemslikeadream]

14. BAE Considers Outsiders for Chief Executive Post,

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=a6rcEpxQDHoM&refer=uk

BAE Considers Outsiders for Chief Executive Post, Times Says

By Sarah Shannon

April 11 (Bloomberg) -- BAE Systems Plc, Europe's largest defence company, is considering several external candidates for chief executive officer, the London-based Times reported, without saying where it obtained the information.

Two Americans and three people from the U.K. and Europe are being considered, according to the newspaper. Ian King, the company's chief operating officer, may be the only internal candidate, the Times said.

One of the U.S. candidates is Chris Kubasik, executive vice president of Lockheed Martin Corp., while in the U.K., Andrew Inglis, chief executive of BP Plc's exploration and production division, is being considered, the Times said.

The company announced in October that Chief Executive Officer Mike Turner will leave in August after he turns 60.

[Octafish]

15. Kubasick is big into Star Wars in a big way.

Way big. W Big.

$38 Billion in FYI07.

Imagine what he could do fixin' up Yurp for SDI.

Warmonger-Size me.

[bobthedrummer]

16. Riggs Bank, Jonathan Bush-it's like a serial nightmare with no ending

except that it's real.

Here's an archived babylonsister thread about these unaccountable human monsters that some of US have followed for too long-we know who these @#%^$#%^*&() are +_)(*&^%$# as well as their accomplices in the 105th, 106th, 107th, 108th, 109th and 110th Congresses. No big secret why no one has heeded the urgent messages from we the people.

"BAE faces criminal inquiry in US over #1bn payments to Saudi's Prince Bandar" (started by babylonsister 6-14-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1110367

Any fools going to give their Economic Stimulus Package checks to these (*&^%$ @@@%^^^ers that busted out The United States of America now doing business as HOMELAND (tm)?

Or do you want to purchase something that can directly alter the direction these )^@#-=+'s and their cohorts have hijacked US to?

[bobthedrummer]

17. "BAE row may lead to revolt over attorney general's powers" by Andrew Sparrow (4-11-08 Guardian)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/apr/11/defence.foreignpolicy

[Octafish]

19. Think they've already got this kind of legislation on the books in the good ol' USA.

From The Guardian:

But a draft bill published last month would give the attorney general the power to halt a prosecution of this kind on the grounds of national security. In theory an order of this kind would not be subject to judicial review, but experts are divided as to whether or not it could in practice be challenged.

We better hope we don't have this on the books here.
Going by the way Congress cowers before the mighty Chimperror, though,
it's not a good bet.

[bobthedrummer]

23. It is a crime to conceal crimes behind a national security classification-but the BFEE privatized

everything to get around that, in addition to the appointment of loyal Bushies to supervisors and leaders everywhere (all branches of the government). Then the son of a Bush took on the role of the Decider in the Global War on Terror after 9/11 (only 8 months after being installed as POTUS) yet he was manipulated by the Cheney/Rumsfeld neocon crazies and their own operatives...

I call that a coup, brother.

[Octafish]

18. BAe bribery is just the tip of the iceberg.

Like a Colorado aspen, all this stuff connects back through to the same class of turd Duke Cunningham was serving. George and Bandar Bush.

DUer LeveyMG has a good handle on things:

Cunningham Bribery - Foggo (CIA)-MZM Cases Linked to Saudi Slush Fund Scandal

PS: More the merrier, I like to say. Sorry I didn't see your thread, Eugene. I searched under Saudi + BAE. Very glad to have found it!

[bluesmail]

20. I rec'd this post and it said I had already sooo

K&R

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Tories join Brown in bid to block fraud investigations

Conservatives back PM in seeking power to halt BAE-style corruption inquiries

Gordon Brown yesterday won Conservative backing for a move that would allow the government to block future criminal investigations such as the corruption case against the arms company BAE Systems.

Despite scathing criticism in the high court on Thursday, the Tories have chosen to support Downing Street in facing down critics who are keen for the BAE investigation to be reopened.

Brown is said by Downing Street to have been totally behind Tony Blair in pressing Robert Wardle, the director of the Serious Fraud Office, to drop the investigation into secret payments by the arms company to Saudi Arabia. In Thursday's judgment, the high court rejected claims that the inquiry had had to be closed down for security reasons because "lives were at risk" if Britain no longer received intelligence on national security from Saudi Arabia.
...
This means he (the Tory shadow Attorney General) will be backing in principle the constitutional renewal bill which gives Lady Scotland, the attorney general, the right to block inquiries that threaten the national interest, thereby ensuring the government can get the measure through the Commons this year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/12/bae.defence

So the guilty parties (Tory government up to 1997, Labour after that) close ranks to prevent the investigation of the bribes they oversaw. With that parliamentary majority that gives them, they'll be able to push that through, whatever the Labour backbenchers and Lib Dems do.

[bobthedrummer]

22. "BAE corruption investigation switches to Tanzania" by David Leigh and Rob Evans (4-12-08 Guardian)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/12/bae.baesystemsbusiness

I know a little bit about the US Ambassador to Tanzania, former US 8th District Congressman Republican Mark Green (his father, Jeremy Green, was a South African doctor) who withdrew from his Congressional reelection campaign in 2006 to run for Governor of Wisconsin and refused to return the illegal campaign contributions he had received from out of state-he just kept the $$$ and chilled out for a year then was appointed to be Ambassador to Tanzania.

I may post a bit about seemingly unrelated corruption later-because it is how the BFEE does "business".
It is related, we are talking about a real metaconspiracy-the BFEE.

Edited for spelling correction.

[bobthedrummer]

25. Not to go off topic here but US subsidiary BAE Systems, Inc is part of the domestic spying apparatus

and all those military business folks involved in Bush/Cheney et al's privatized intelligence networks are getting contracts to guard against the terrorists, terrorist supporters, potentially terrorist parents, homegrown potential radicals, domestic potential dissidents, possible domestic bitterness supporters, etc.

BAE Systems, Inc is involved with domestic spy satellite systems. I've got an active thread with a lot of history about these private intelligence groups that some might want to review.

"U.S. Reconnaissance Satellites: Domestic Targets" (started 4-12-2008)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x352054

on edit: spelling corrections

[bobthedrummer]

24. kick

[bobthedrummer]

26. Call out for updates-kick