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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:41 PM
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Breaking on CNN: Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Stategist for the Clinton Campaign
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 05:47 PM by maddezmom
Source: CNN

so far just a Breaking News Banner:

The chief strategist for Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, Mark Penn, is giving up that post, the campaign says.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/



Mark Penn is Out; Geoff Garin is In
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This statement just in from Hillary Clinton Campaign Manager Maggie Williams:

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.

Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward.


http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/penn_is_out_geoff_garin_is_in.html
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:43 PM
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1. so he can make more money?
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:06 PM
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98. If she's so ready to step in as Commander-in-Chief on Day one, ?why
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 02:07 PM by ShockediSay
has the organizational abilities in her campaign been so badly flawed since day one

and why are her negatives so high?

NB SuperD's

& why are lobbyists playing such a major role?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:46 PM
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2. A big fat rat trying to jump ship before the "official" loss. n/t
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amihol Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:47 PM
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3. :D
Nice point .D
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DavidMS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:56 PM
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6. He probably got pushed
This means that Clinton will be harder to beat, unfortunately.

There Were some articles about how a number of people on her campaign don't like him. I won't look for them though.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:01 PM
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11. Not necessarily, since it seems he will stay on as her polling guy and also
will continue to advise the campaign, though in an "unofficial" capacity.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:47 PM
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24. Perhaps he's remaining distantly affiliated in hopes that he will get paid ...
... the balance of his fees for his marvelous work.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:08 PM
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48. Harder to beat?
You can't get much easier to beat than someone who is already beat and doesn't have a chance of winning (legitimately, at least).
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #6
75. CLassic
Makes her HARDER TO BEat
Obama is beating her with everyone on board, and he leaves makes it easier?
Yikes hard to justify that
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:37 PM
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17. Not exactly.
It is a fatcat whore trying to salvage lobbying agreements with Columbia.

His game plan was to be connected to the next President, and thereby profit mightily from the influence he could sell. He knows that ain't gonna happen, so now he's jumping to Plan B, which is to try to save that Columbian lobbying agreement.

Next up, we'll see him and the other lobbyist whores trying to buddy up to Obama. It is critically important that we do everything possible to make sure Barack has adequate funding for his campaign so that he doesn't have to take any money from these bastards.
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sansatman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #17
88. It may be to late to save Obama...
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:56 AM
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97. I believe Penn has ties to the McCain campaign.
If the Hillary BIG MONEY crowd can't have Hillary, they will move to a Republican who won't close the door to Lobbyists.

The DLC has always preferred a Republican to a Progressive.
Business as usual.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
38. Big fat rat is right.
I hope Hillary stiffs him on what she owes him
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #38
83. Oooh! That would be so mean. She owes him several million dollars.
Not that any of her creditors are going to get their money. And THIS sort of management is supposed to convince us she would be a good chief executive???
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:53 PM
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4. Thank effing GOD!! nt
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:47 PM
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23. This is terrible news!
Now he'll have more time on his hands to advise companies on how to bust up or prevent unions. He'll have more time to protect the interests of all kinds of snakes, and get a few more contracts for Blackwater.

Come on Hillary! Give a guy a break!!! Everybody deserves a second chance!

:cry:
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. This gives the VOTERS time to take another long look ...
It's great news ... can't you hear the sound of voters changing their minds? ... I can ... ouch ... and right before Penn. ... oops ...
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:55 PM
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5. Anybody want to get that barn door?
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. 5 STARS !
:thumbsup:
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:57 PM
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8. delete
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 05:57 PM by jaysunb
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
16. DUzy!
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:27 PM by rocknation
:rofl:
rocknation
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #16
33. Thanx
I didn't get one last week and I feel so empty :rofl:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #33
50. Did I ever tell you that you're my fav(r)e?
Cuddles made a funny!! :hug:

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. Did I ever tell you that you are my Fav?
Who is that geek w/ Steph? :rofl:

Closing her eyes she is pretending to be happy ...
what acting!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #58
71. I dunno - -
some piece of meat that hangs out in the KOEB, I think. :rofl:
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #71
79. Trust me, she wouldn't be faking a smile if that was KO hugging her...
Or as Mama likes to call him - 'my future husband.' Her and the mooks make my drive to work a lot more enjoyable.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #5
31. LOL!!!
Beautiful horse by the way....

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. I got him on google images
:rofl:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #31
52. An Arabian, if my horsie sense is still working.
Beeyooteeful. :loveya:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:58 PM
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9. Hillary will be better off without this pile of shit
Ickes, Carville and Begala do not like him either BTW.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:44 PM
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20. what did he do?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:58 PM
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29. For starters?
He was spreading rumors that Obama was unelectable because he had used cocaine 25 years ago. Penn denied it, and just to be sure Penn made it real clear, several times, that he would not raise the "cocaine" issue about Obama. "With regard to this thing about Obama and 'cocaine'..."
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #29
76. that was disgusting for a democrat to do
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:20 PM
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100. a slimeball
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
43. The bad news is....
Karl Rove is replacing him.

Why have a half assed chief strategist, when you can have a complete ass.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #9
74. Without him? She's still got him. Just changed his title, is all.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:59 PM
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10. Should have happened a long time ago. n/t
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. what did he do?
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
80. He was lobbying for the Colombian government while working on her campaign
You know - 2300 murdered union members - that government. He was trying to help them push a "Free Trade" agreement between them and the US.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #80
99. shit - and this guys a Democrat?
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:10 PM
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12. Friends and foes of the Clinton campaign at last unified in their rejoicing.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:45 PM
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22. heh
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:15 PM
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13. Look again - He's not going anywhere, he'll "continue to provide polling & advice to the campaign."
All by design, all by design. :eyes:
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Hypocritical on Columbia Trade Deal
is at the heart of the Clinton Campaign... Fact or Opinion? You be the judge.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #13
63. Tweaking of titles, that's all this is. He is going no where
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 09:39 PM by Robbien
Bet he will still receives that big paycheck and as an added benefit, now he gets to blame the other guy for his errors.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:25 PM
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15. He "asked to give up his role," my
:kick:
rocknation
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:38 PM
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18. Well this should dominate at least the next 24 hour 'news cycle' with more negatives for
the clinton camp.

It's all good...
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. You bet it is ..
This puts insider corruption right out there for everyone to take another long look at ... they were saying ONE thing while making a deal with quite the opposite results at the same time ... I'd say this is IT for the Clintons ...
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. And diverts attention from her tax info released Friday night
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:54 PM by rainbow4321
...<sigh> if only the M$M were able to multi-task cuz goodness knows how much more dirt is buried in those tax files (i.e any offshore companies, Quello Fund that she used, etc..)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5388832&mesg_id=5388832
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. It looks like all the news on HILLARY is not helping her campaign ...
The main point she has coming across? ... money, money, money, insider, money, money, insider ... bye bye Hillary ... see ya! ...
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:53 PM
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27. Clinton supporters wanted him gone long ago... not sure why he was kept around....
Honestly, I don't get why he wasnt dumped long ago.

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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #27
45. Here's proof..
The REAL money makers don't need botox and all that superficial facade!
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:27 AM
Response to Reply #45
90. But you'd think he could afford a comb. (nt)
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:00 PM
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30. Can you spell:
- D-I-S-A-R-R-A-Y???

K&R!!!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:04 PM
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32. This is VERY GOOD NEWS... Now if Hillary has the "STUFF" we should be able to see it
and see if she can "STAND ON HER OWN" and what she's really about after her HANDLER is out of the way.

Were all these huge gaffe's in the Hillary Campaign due to Mark or to others who were "clueless" about how to run a "REAL CAMPAIGN...In THESE SPECIAL TIMES..." :shrug:

Hillary "on her own." It's a good thing. :D
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #32
56. Pay no attention to how she runs her campaign ... Just trust her to take on the presidency.
So what if she's proven that she can't manage people, isn't a good judge of character, can't delegate properly, misjudges important scenarios, and makes serious gaffes? All that doesn't matter for the presidency. Sheesh.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #56
84. So true. Her campaign has been FUBAR for months.
She wasn't even told that the money was all gone. And she'd like to be Chief Executive. It's really astonishing.
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green917 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #56
87. AMEN!
I couldn't have said it better myself!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #87
95. Welcome to DU, green917!
:toast: :hi:
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proust78 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:11 PM
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35. Has anyone won the nomination after replacing their TOP TWO campaign officials?
...during the primaries? Seems unlikely. First Penn is out, then Hillary is out after Penn(sylvania).
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. It's singalong time ...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJBxGsCJD3I

"Turn out the lights the party's over" ...
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:17 PM
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37. Damn - And he was doing such a great job of sinking her campaign
Obama is still ahead, and will probably remain ahead. I'm sure Penn's Columbia dealings were pissing off Clinton's union supporters.
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johnl235 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:25 PM
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39. Its not Penn thats was the problem
It was the candidate
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:26 PM
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40. :O
That's huge. Clinton is trying to show that she's willing to compromise with the left crowd.

I was afraid this would happen. Hillary acquiescing to the demands of the masses with a sigh of resignation and a soft plea of "now will you elect me?" And then the bullying electorate snorts, laughs, and says "no way lol!"

That would make me feel bad for her.

But instead she's trying to trick everyone by just changing his position. That makes me look at her exactly the same way as I did before.

Headscratcher though - why not just take his advice and not say anything about it?
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:46 AM
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86. "Hillary acquiescing to the demands of the masses "
Yes, God forbid the people have a voice! :eyes:
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #86
93. Not that, but the fact
that such an act would still not get her elected. Like a game of keep-away.

Of course, since she didn't actually give in, I don't care.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:27 PM
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41. I wouldn't rejoice too much, clinton supporters - he didn't make her lie repeatedly.
NT!

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Ztarbod Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:27 PM
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42. The news continues to be Hillary's pathetic management of her campaign
She is demonstrating why she is NOT ready to be president on day one.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:33 PM
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44. maybe she'll hire Karl Rove.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:42 PM
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46. The fat lady is practising her scales!!!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:58 PM
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47. God I hope she won't let him go. Just when the whole act started to go south.

But the news is bad for Hillary. She will be connected to words like "lobbyist", "money", etc. Not godd, not good. I'd be surprised if she won PA.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:20 PM
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49. Kinda Sorta Maybe NOT!
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=307141
CLINTON DROPS PENN, SORT OF...
After months of criticism and allegations of conflicts of interest swirling around Mark Penn, Hillary Clinton's "chief strategist," the Clinton Campaign announced on Sunday that Penn is losing his title. A terse statement from campaign manager Maggie Williams says:

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign. Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward.

Garin officially began polling for the campaign last month, a major sign that senior Clinton aides doubted not only Penn's judgment, but also his numbers. This announcement aims to reduce Penn's visibility, but obviously he will continue his high-paying job providing "polling and advice" to Sen. Clinton. Tweaking titles does nothing to address the serious questions about Penn's potential conflicts of interest, which The Nation's Ari Berman began reporting as far back as last
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:13 PM
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57. so he basically JUST GIVING UP HIS TITLE but still doing the same shit
kicking for the whole world to see :kick:
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FightTheRight89 Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:33 PM
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51. It's about time, Mark.
What a grade-A douche.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:45 PM
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53. "Giving up his post"?
Sheesh, can't anybody just get fired the old-fashioned way anymore?
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:32 PM
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81. Probably not in his case
She already owes him around $4 million. I see a lawsuit coming after the election is over.
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jjr5 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:51 PM
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54. The Clinton campaign has had so many problems already.
It has had way more problems than the Obama campaign. If you were looking at MSM only, even McCain gets away with looking better than she does. :(
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:03 PM
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55. You have to wonder
why Mark Penn and Burson-Marsteller were picked by the HC campaign in the first place. Penn and Burson-Marsteller have this unsavory connection to Blackwater, the BIG military supplier contract with Bush/Cheney,
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curiousdemo Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:19 PM
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59. Sex (Bill), Lies and Firing......

What more can you say about Hillary campaign. These people are delusional :silly:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:20 PM
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60. Fire me, for I have sinned!
Obviously the Clinton campaign did not have the foresight into what he was doing after all this time.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:25 PM
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61. Yah mean he's fired?
Breaking: Nixon has asked to give up his role as nation's chief executive.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:25 PM
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62. He probably hasn't been paid in weeks
Maybe a rash of people quitting the campaign will help Hillary's money woes. She won't have to pay them and won't be accused of stiffing them when she doesn't pay their past wages.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:43 PM
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64. "has ASKED to give up his role"?
Does he think they'd make him keep the title against his will?

I didn't think presidential campaigns did "stop loss".
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:44 PM
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65. How Clintonese ........ an Annoucement of a name change. n/t
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:49 PM
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66. Reuters...
Clinton's top strategist quits over lobbying conflict
Sun Apr 6, 2008 10:17pm EDT
By David Wiessler

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's chief political strategist, Mark Penn, stepped aside on Sunday after news that he lobbied for a free trade treaty with Colombia that Clinton opposes.

A meeting between Penn and Colombia's U.S. ambassador over the trade deal posed political problems for the campaign of the New York senator, who is vying with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama to become the Democratic nominee in the November election.

"After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as chief strategist of the Clinton campaign," the campaign manager, Maggie Williams, said in a statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0642976020080407?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:49 PM
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67. Was he responsible for this photo op?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:51 PM
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68. Penndejo. Seriously.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:52 PM
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69. Next, Hillary Clinton will set up a field office in Iowa.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:01 PM
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70. ZBIGNIEW NEXT !

please !

that would be awesome !!!

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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:24 PM
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72. The only thing changed is his title
It seems to me that the only thing changed is the title he's given when interfacing with the press.

Meanwhile the outrageous elephant in the room goes mostly unremarked. Two teams from the identical corporate lobbyist group are stategists in both the McCain and Clinton camps. However it comes at us, however we describe it, it is collusion at the very highest level of both the republican and democratic parties. It is the enemy of freedom. It is the enemy of anything but a feigned "democratic" difference. It should give anyone interested in the cause of freedom pause to think, then to act with all their political will to expose and exterminate it.

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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:36 PM
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82. Considering how well they've done for Clinton...
I want them to keep working for McCain.
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mathewsleep Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:41 PM
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73. i'm sure he was worth every million dollars he earned.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:57 PM
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77. Good
I hated looking at or listening to that friggin' weasel.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:08 PM
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78. Makes no FUCKING difference
for all I know this is all part of their master plan.

Penn traveling to Colombia should be looked at closely

he did not go there for NAFTA, my 9th sense says otherwise.

but thats just me......:think:

NOT THIS TIME!



you're not suppose to understand this
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superxero044 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:27 AM
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85. I would have to say
This is good news in general for everyone.

Hopefully the Clinton camp will become less negative
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:38 AM
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89. Wall Street Journal "Clinton Aide Sacked Over ... Colombia"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120752124724993417.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Clinton Aide Sacked Over Controversy On Colombia

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton replaced the longtime chief strategist of her struggling presidential campaign after the disclosure that he was working with Colombia's government to help win congressional approval of a trade pact that she opposes. The move comes two weeks before the pivotal Pennsylvania Democratic primary, where trade issues are likely to play a big role.

In a statement, campaign manager Maggie Williams said that "after the events of the last few days, Mark Penn asked to give up his role as chief strategist." Clinton campaign advisers made clear that he was all but forced out for what Mr. Penn on Friday conceded was "an error in judgment" in helping a client of his private, public-relations firm at the same time he held a top role in the campaign.


Probably far too late to save her campaign
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:45 AM
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94. The left hand knoweth not what the right hand doeth.
But when it findeth out, it is mightly pisseth offed.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:04 AM
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91. Background: Al Giordano on Narconews
Uribe’s Attack on Obama
The Far Right’s Spokesman in Latin America Is Worried About What Could Be Long Overdue Changes in US Policy

By Al Giordano
Special to The Narco News Bulletin

April 3, 2008

Colombian President Alvaro Uribe revealed his worry about the US presidential contest this week to the Bogotá daily El Tiempo: “I deplore that Senator Obama, aspiring to be president of the US, ignores Colombia’s efforts.”

By “efforts,” Uribe referred to his administration’s public relations campaign to improve Colombia’s deserved reputation as the hemisphere’s worst abuser of human rights, particularly as they apply to workers and unions. Senator Barack Obama, on Wednesday, had cited “the violence against unions in Colombia” as his primary reason for opposing a proposed US-Colombia “free trade” agreement.


Colombian President Alvaro Uribe with former US president Bill Clinton at the Clinton Global Initiative in New York, September 2007.
D.R. 2007 Reuters
That Uribe singled-out Obama is revealing: the Illinois senator’s rival for the Democratic nomination for president in the United States, Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, also says she opposes the US-Colombia “free trade” pact. That clearly doesn’t worry Uribe: the Clinton organization has a long history of backing – politically and economically – the Colombian far right, its narco-politicians and paramilitary death squads, of whom Uribe is supreme leader. In 2000, then-US president Bill Clinton went on Colombian national TV to announce “Plan Colombia,” the multi-billion dollar US military intervention that keeps Uribe and his repressive regime in power to this day.

The Associated Press has now run with the story in English, a reaction to Obama’s statement yesterday before the AFL-CIO of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia:

”I will oppose the Colombia Free Trade Agreement if President Bush insists on sending it to Congress because the violence against unions in Colombia would make a mockery of the very labor protections that we have insisted be included in these kinds of agreements.”

More extensively quoted in The Philadephia Bulletin, Obama added:

”So you can trust me when I say that whatever trade deals we negotiate when I’m president will be good for American workers, and that they’ll have strong labor and environmental protections that we’ll enforce.”

As conservative columnist Robert Novak noted in his column this week about the possibility that the Bush presidency won’t be able to steer a Colombian trade deal through Congress this year:

“It would humiliate Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, a free-trader and a bulwark against the spreading influence in Latin America of Venezuela’s leftist strongman, President Hugo Chavez.”

(For Novak, that’s apparently now the gold standard for trade agreements: not whether they help or hurt American and foreign workers and economies, but, rather, whether rejecting them might “humiliate” another country’s despot.)

Uribe – the emblem of narco-corruption and violent repression of unions and other social movements in Colombia and, indeed, all of Latin America – clearly believes Obama is serious about his positions toward the region that, if implemented by a US president, would ring in a sea change in US policy toward its neighbors in the Western Hemisphere.

The United States – under the Bush administration and the Clinton administration – turned a blind eye to the Colombian’s government’s tacit and explicit backing of paramilitary death squads, often funded by private sector companies and drug trafficking organizations, to break unions, farmer organizations, opposition political groups and assassinate leaders of all of them. As recently as last week, 24 leading religious and human rights groups signed a letter to the Colombian president denouncing statements by an official in his government that contributed to “a climate of political intolerance that fosters violence” toward union leaders.

More than 600 trade unionists have been assassinated under Uribe’s watch. Attacks on reporters have made Colombia the most dangerous country in the hemisphere for journalists, too.

Normally, statements by US politicians about the Colombia government’s widespread corruption and human rights violations haven’t bothered Uribe enough to speak aloud. Latin American oligarchs and strongmen have long counted on the doublespeak of US lawmakers to guarantee support for their regimes even while, during political campaigns, both Republicans and Democrats have said otherwise.

A Break with Failed US Policies

The prospect of an Obama presidency – the Illinois senator currently enjoys a prohibitive lead over rival Clinton in pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention next August, and unless there is a coup d’convention among party insider “superdelegates” he will be the nominee – has Uribe bothered not just because of the senator’s opposition to the trade agreement, but in the context of how, on overall US policy toward Latin America, Obama has repeatedly indicated a clear break from the Bush-Clinton-Bush consensus of the past twenty years. As president of the United States, Obama has said he will:

- Be willing to conduct face-to-face meetings, “without preconditions,” with Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez;

– Visit four Latin American countries in his first year in office, mentioning Brazil, Chile, Argentina and – much to the dismay of Uribe and other rightists – Bolivia, where democratic leftist Evo Morales is president. The way Obama described his plan to go to South America provided an especially striking contrast to the Clinton-Bush doctrines of demonizing countries (and their leaders) that disagree with Washington over trade issues:

“The starting point is to rebuild the alliances that have been frayed in the past several years, to travel early to key countries like Brazil, Argentina, Chile, but also Bolivia—countries where the assumption is that we don’t have common interests. I think that we do.’’
– Ease the US embargo of Cuba to allow Cuban immigrants in the US to send money and visit family members on the island.

His Democratic rival, Senator Clinton, and the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona, both cling to a failed status quo in the United States’ anti-democracy policies of imposition toward its neighbors to the South. Clinton, last summer, went so far as to call Obama’s willingness to meet with US-shunned world leaders like Chavez and then-Cuban leader Fidel Castro as “naïve and frankly irresponsible,” and her campaign reiterated – after Obama’s call last August to ease the Cuban embargo – that Senator Clinton, if president, would make no changes to US-Cuban policy.

These are not radical positions by Obama, nor is his opposition to a US-Colombia “free trade” agreement – indeed, they are now mainstream not only among foreign policy analysts and members of the US Congress, but even, in the case of easing the Cuba embargo, among a majority of Cuban-American immigrants in the US - and so Uribe’s vocal panic over Obama’s frontrunner status in the US presidential contest deserves a closer look. What has Uribe so worried?

Since Senator Clinton also claims to oppose the same trade agreement, Uribe’s choice to place singular negative focus on Obama’s statement let the cat out of the bag. Simply put: Uribe (and other leaders of the Latin American far right) accurately perceive that Clinton’s stated opposition is a hollow campaign promise during party primaries that would (in the increasingly unlikely chance she becomes US president) be shoved aside to instead resume the disastrous Latin American policies of the first Clinton administration.

The Uribe regime, after all, continues a chummy friendship with Bill Clinton, granting him the government’s “Colombia Is Passion” Award last June. That, during the same 2007 spring when former vice president Al Gore cancelled his appearance at a Miami environmental conference because he did not want to share a podium with Uribe, the hemisphere’s poster boy for state-sponsored terrorism, narco-trafficking, and assassinations of opposition political, labor and social movement leaders. Angela Montoya, representing the awards committee, told AP that former president “Clinton is Colombia’s best tourism minister because every time he opens his mouth to talk about the country he’s helping to improve our country’s image without even realizing it.”

Bill Clinton returned the favor by hosting Uribe as a “featured attendee” at the Clinton Global Initiative annual meeting in New York last September.

The Clinton Doctrine: Support for Atrocity

Last month, the government of Ecuador charged that Uribe violated international law by sending the Colombian Armed Forces into Ecuadorian territory in its hunt for guerrilla soldiers of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC, in its Spanish initials). When Uribe’s troops arrived, they massacred twenty people in their sleep, including at least three civilians: Mexican university students that had attended a conference in Ecuador and then accepted an invitation to visit the guerrilla camp. Senator Hillary Clinton was quick to back the Colombian president unconditionally by supporting his military attack and by condemning, instead, the defensive-but-peaceful mobilization by Venezuela Armed Forces to protect its own borders at that uncertain moment:

”Hugo Chavez’s order yesterday to send ten battalions to the Colombian border is unwarranted and dangerous. The Colombian state has every right to defend itself against drug trafficking terrorist organizations that have kidnapped innocent civilians, including American citizens. By praising and supporting the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, Chavez is openly siding with terrorists that threaten Colombian democracy and the peace and security of the region. Rather than criticizing Colombia’s actions in combating terrorist groups in the border regions, Venezuela and Ecuador should work with their neighbor to ensure that their territories no longer serve as safe havens for terrorist groups. After reviewing this situation, I am hopeful that the government of Ecuador will determine that its interests lie in closer cooperation with Colombia on this issue…”

That statement provides proof-positive of Senator Clinton’s bent when it comes to US policy in Latin America: to use any crisis to prop-up the Colombian leader while attempting to forward the related agenda of demonizing Venezuela for the problems that Colombia causes in the region. Clinton’s instincts on Colombia are identical to those of the Bush administration and those of the Clinton administration before it: continuance of a doctrine that is hostile to human rights and democracy in the region.

Obama’s response – while it offered banal rhetorical support to the Colombian government – was far less bellicose in tone and substance, urging cooperation in the region “to ensure that events not spiral out of control,” and laying the responsibility, equally, upon all three governments involved:

”The Colombian people have suffered for more than four decades at the hands of a brutal terrorist insurgency, and the Colombian government has every right to defend itself against the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). The recent targeted killing of a senior FARC leader must not be used as a pretense to ratchet up tensions or to threaten the stability of the region. The presidents of Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela have a responsibility to ensure that events not spiral out of control, and to peacefully address any disputes through active diplomacy with the help of international actors.”

Uribe’s statement this week against Obama was more a response to the senator’s call for “diplomacy” in the region – a concept Uribe considers threatening to his US-propped hold on power – than to Obama’s opposition to a trade agreement that so far doesn’t have the votes to get through the US Congress with or without Obama’s opposition. It wasn’t that Obama opposed the trade agreement that bothered Uribe so vocally. It was Obama’s public tying of the agreement to human rights and respect for union organizations that had Uribe apoplectic.

Uribe’s statement against Obama inadvertently tipped his – and Senator Clinton’s – hand on US-Latin America policy, especially as the Bush administration now pushes the extension of Plan Colombia into a new country with an almost identical proposal for a “Plan Mexico.”

And this, too, comes at an hour when Senator Clinton’s conflicting statements about her claim of having opposed, during the Clinton White House, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) – when recently released White House documents reveal that she, in fact, lobbied for the treaty’s passage – are getting increased public and press scrutiny in upcoming primary states of Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, each of which lost more than 20,000 manufacturing jobs because of NAFTA.

Rhetoric vs. Record

Here’s a newly-released video compilation – by The Jed Report – of Senator Clinton’s dishonest claims about having opposed NAFTA, juxtaposed against her documented record of advocacy in making the agreement law:

NAFTA, in addition to putting hundreds of thousands of US laborers out of work when the companies closed their (unionized) shops to open sweatshops in Mexico, simultaneously displaced hundreds of thousands of Mexican farmers from their lands through its agricultural provisions, causing the mass exodus of millions of Mexican immigrants toward the United States over the past 13 years.

Uribe, with his attack this week on Obama, makes it clear which side of the “free trade” barricades he believes his old friends, the Clintons, are really on: the side of continuing the status quo of US military and economic support for his regime’s widespread violation of human rights, in exchange for allowing multinationals (read: campaign and Clinton foundation donors) to loot his country’s human and natural resources.

It’s not just that Senators Clinton and Obama have differences in their position papers regarding Latin America. (This correspondent has too long a history of reporting on politicians – as they campaign and, then, once they win public office – to believe anything their policy wonks put out during a campaign.) It’s their diametrically opposed instincts in response to crisis that are far more telling. Uribe’s worry is not based on how the different Democratic presidential rivals fill out issue-group questionnaires. It is, rather, his very perceptive assessment of their gut reactions when it comes to US-Latin America policy: whether the next US president will pursue the continuance of a failed set of policies that bolster violent regimes like Uribe’s, and greatly harm authentic democracy and human rights in Latin America, or whether – as the Colombian president now openly frets – a new set of policies more in tune with today’s reality than with the Cold War obsessions of the last century marks a new hemispheric doctrine.

In that light, Uribe’s Obamaphobia has a silver lining: What causes Uribe to fear the likely Democratic nominee for president of the United States is that even he believes a change is gonna come.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:26 AM
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92. Hmmm... Friday Nite Dump of the tax returns. Now Monday resignation.
Do you think the Tax Returns will miss the news cycle?
I wonder what's in those stacks?
Hmmmm.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:23 AM
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96. One less RAT WORM DLC FREE TRADER helping to destroy
America.
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