Israeli planes attacking south Lebanon...just breaking cable news...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

MSNBC: "Israeli war planes have struck multiple targets inside of Lebanon"

[ewagner]

1. Oh-oh..........

Syria isn't going to like this at all!

[aquart]

9. Ugly scenario jumps into mind.

Israel attacks Lebanon prompting a response from Syria prompting intervention from the US?

Is this how George plans to get his numbers up after the SOTU.

We already know he wants to invade Syria and Iran with no money and no army (I say we give George a flightsuit and a gun and point him in the right direction).

He wants to make it an IMPERATIVE that we attack Syria (even though we have no money and no army).

George, even Hitler didn't invade till he had the draft and an arms buildup. (This is what happens when you only read the summary instead of the whole Mein Kampf.)

[ewagner]

14. Remember the post from a few days ago?

Sorry I didn't bookmark it. It showed an article from some middle-eastern journal that said Rummy has been urging Bush to take some sort of military action against Syria.

The source wasn't exactly the "gold standard" of credibility, but now you have to wonder.............

[pacifictiger]

27. The prince of darkness, PNAC's Richard Perle

was interviewed by Charlie Rose a few weeks ago & talked about Syria "lying." He had this awful knowing smirk on his face so I'm not surprised.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

44. "princess" of darkness maybe

the prince is way behind the curtain

[Wetzelbill]

Israel is aching to fight a proxy war against Syria for Bush

it's just that when Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad pushed for full out peace negotiations with Israel it made it a bit tough to flat out start a battle with them. They'll go the Lebanon route and hope the action provokes Syria's populace to call for Assad to get into the fight. Then Israel will proceed to kick Syria's ass for us.

[Just Me]

16. Yeah, the perfect PNAC "PUSH" to invade Syria,...

,...instigation is certainly a documented tactic. Your scenario is certainly a possibility.

[moof]

33. Thanks aquart, that last paragraph was funny.

George, even Hitler didn't invade till he had the draft and an arms buildup.
(This is what happens when you only read the summary instead of the whole
Mein Kampf.)

LOL LOL LOL

[Tinoire]

34. This is sick Aquart. Making me laugh in such a sad thread

but that was a classic! :toast: to you in an inappropriate place.

[Baclava]

12. Syria won't do crapola

Gotta let our Israeli friends get some...they've been tugging on the leash a long time...it's all part of "the deal"...

[aquart]

2. Oh, why?

[Wetzelbill]

5. because Israel leaders are PNAC-ish

Hell, they out PNAC the PNACers.

[Just Me]

3. Why?

Are they intending to "invade" and "occupy"?

[Aidoneus]

31. re-invade and re-occupy, you mean? (recap of what I have seen on this)

Not quite a day since the event but there has been no immediate retaliation by the Islamic Resistance to the IAF bombings as yet..

Apparently it was 3 air-to-surface rockets fired on two South Lebanon villages by the Israeli warplanes.

A post downstairs noted that there were televised reports of casualties, but these haven't been mentioned in reports elsewhere that I've seen.

Both UNIFIL & the Israelis (after lying about it first) have confirmed Hizbullah's side of the story about the intruding bulldozer.

Before the military's invading bulldozer was hit there was a series of Israeli warplanes that flew over Lebanese cities and deliberately breaking the sound barrier (scaring the shit out of anybody nearby with the *BOOM* that follows).

That's about it on this so far.. may be more small events within a day or two before it dies down again for a few weeks.

[lefty_mcduff]

4. Here we go...

This sabre-rattling has been going full tilt the last few days.

[Just Me]

6. I am having a REALLY bad feeling about this,...

,...will this be the final straw?

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

7. Ignore This!

Capturing Saddam brought peace and stability to the Middle East. Didn't you people get the memo?! Sheesh!!

[leftchick]

8. Here is a report...

<JERUSALEM - Israeli planes attacked Hezbollah targets in south Lebanon on Tuesday, an Israeli TV station reported, a day after the guerrilla group killed an Israeli soldier.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment on the report.

Channel Two TV said Israeli warplanes hit Hezbollah bases in the Bekaa Valley, the area of south Lebanon closest to the Syrian border. The report said at least four explosions were heard.

On Monday, Hezbollah guerrillas fired an anti-tank missile at an Israeli bulldozer clearing explosives, killing an Israeli soldier and seriously wounding another.>

Link...http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/breaking_news/7753263.htm

[aquart]

11. Okay, it's an armed response.

Weak countries have to respond swiftly and strongly after an assault. This is International Relations 101.

Syria can make a stink but what good would it do? Even a weakened US is a pain in the butt. Better to make a show of being wise and restrained and save it for the big confrontation that's sure to come if George is re-elected and gets his draft.

[truth2power]

24. Don'tmean to be picky, but...

I think it's re-appointed. :-)

[Mistress Quickly]

15. weren't there reports

that Iraq moved the WMD to the Bekaa Valley just before the start of Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL)?

How convenient.


Here:

snip>>

U.S. suspects Iraqi WMD in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley


SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Monday, August 25, 2003

U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have finally been located.

Unfortunately, getting to them will be nearly impossible for the United States and its allies, because the containers with the strategic materials are not in Iraq.

Instead they are located in Lebanon's heavily-fortified Bekaa Valley, swarming with Iranian and Syrian forces, and Hizbullah and ex-Iraqi agents, Geostrategy-Direct.com will report in Wednesday's new weekly edition.

>>> more

http://66.34.243.131/iran/html/article1090.html

[sistersofmercy]

20. Yes but Israel has made many "oops" targets in Lebanon in the past,

killing innocent civilians under the guise of targeting SUSPECTED terrorist. I knew this was coming Israel and Lebanon are in a water dispute and have been for a while.

[Aidoneus]

32. clumsy indeed

"oops, an ambulance..", "oops, a refugee camp", "oops, another ambulance", "oops, 80% of an entire city", "oops..." :eyes:

The water dispute seems to have winded down a bit, for now anyway. Sharon barked the usual series of threats at the time, thinking he could bully them around on such a petty matter, but the Lebanese stood up to him and went along with it anyway and nothing happened after that (Sharon's armed gangs popped off another rocket at Gaza and ripped up more homes in Rafah, so his base didn't feel too bad about him not lobbing rockets at the Lebanese again). Not forgotten, of course, just temporarily off the radar.

[truthspeaker]

10. It doesn't bother me when Israel attacks Hezbollah bases

It's just the cvilian-shooting, land-grabbing, settlement-building, and home-destrying operations I have a problem with.

Attacking groups who actually use force against Israel is OK by me.

[The Stranger]

17. You might want to think about whether there is a

connection between occupation and terrorism.

:think:

[truthspeaker]

21. there is

Israel will never know - or deserve- peace while the occupation continues. But that doesn't mean they should lay down their arms while groups like Hezbollah keep attacking them.

[leftchick]

13. Reuters link...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=7&u=/nm/20040120/ts_nm/mideast_dc

Holy cow.... they edited this story before I could even post it.
:wow:

[daleo]

18. The timing is certainly interesting

What with the State of the Union speech tonight. It's hard to say if they are coordinated though - you would think * wouldn't want anything raining on his parade. Still, it might fit in with the PNAC plan.

As for the idea that it is retaliation for an earlier event, is there a day that passes in the middle east that that claim couldn't be made by either side?

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. Not often

That Hezbollah manages to kill people with its many cross-border attacks. It did, Israel responded.

[loudnclear]

22. Just in time for the State of the Union...

When are we going to elect a government that is not controlled by Israel? That's the burning issue of this election.

When is the rest of the world going to stand up to the Israeli terrorists?

"Earlier, Lebanese President Emile Lahud said that a United Nations investigation had found that an Israeli military bulldozer hit by a Hizb Allah rocket was within south Lebanon at the time of the strike.

"The investigation carried out by the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) command has shown that the Israeli bulldozer was inside Lebanese territory," said Lahud in a statement on Tuesday. It came a day after an Israeli soldier died within the vehicle after the resistance group struck near the southern village of Marwahin."

What Israel will claim about these raids flies in the face of the facts on the ground!

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/489A8FF1-F56E-428D-A5E3-1F557CCA0133.htm

[tinnypriv]

23. Actually

The IDF has admitted that the soldier was killed in Lebanon.

That of course, is not a "cross-border" attack.

[Resistance]

26. oh hush, smart guy

you're always bringing facts into the debate ... sheesh! Will ya cut it out?

;)

[bubblesby2002]

28. Thankyou

For pointing that out.....the soldier was IN Lebanon clearing mines when he was killed. I think that makes the story as little different.
IMHO

[jayfish]

25. You Might Want Read This Story.

Story From Post #13

-SNIP-
Earlier, the Israeli army changed its account of Monday's border incident and said the soldier killed by a Hizbollah anti-tank missile was several meters inside Lebanon, where a military bulldozer was clearing explosives planted by the group.


The army said initially the soldier had not entered Lebanon.
-SNIP-

Jay

Edited For Clarity

[Malva Zebrina]

29. Just like Bush responds to the resistance in Iraq.

[Aidoneus]

30. the only "cross-border" attack here was by Israel

The bulldozer crossed the border into Lebanese land before being attacked, just as its warplanes frequently do. Hizbullah were fully within their rights to fight this hostile invading unit, and did so successfully. They do not yet have the ability to take down invading IAF warplanes (that have in the past murdered many thousands of innocent people, something that cannot be said about Hizbullah regardless of whatever venom such a view is coated in), but perhaps in time.

--snip--
United Nations officials in Lebanon said the soldiers were "violating" Lebanese territory after crossing the UN demarcated border when they were attacked.

"Unifil (UN Interim Forces in Lebanon) can confirm that the Israeli bulldozer was on the Lebanese side when it was hit," said Unifil spokesman Milos Strugar.
--snip--
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3414431.stm

There are apparent threats of a re-invasion of Lebanon, and in that it is likely that many more thousands of people will be killed by the Israeli invaders. Dropping bombs on Lebanon was a sport that the Israeli military did not willingly give up, and may soon take back up again. You'd support and defend every minute of that, wouldn't you?

[Aidoneus]

35. Israeli jet swoops over Lebanon

Israeli jet swoops over Lebanon
Wednesday 21 January 2004

Israel violated Lebanese airspace again on Wednesday even as the Hizb Allah warned that it will respond to any more intrusions.

An Israeli fighter bomber flew over most of the south on Wednesday, particularly over the town of Nabatiya where it caused supersonic booms, police said.

Overnight, Israeli artillery gunners also fired 16 shells in the occupied Shebaa Farms, according to media reports, despite calls from US Secretary of State Colin Powell for both sides to avoid escalations.

These were the latest incidents after a flare-up of violence that started with Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace on Monday that drew anti- aircraft fire from Hizb Allah resistance fighters and UN condemnation.

--snip--

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F4E52E97-0E69-4A7D-943F-869F27F6EF87.htm

[pacifictiger]

36. just in ....

Sharon being investigated on bribery charges. Yessss! Lets hope he's on his way out.

[Aidoneus]

37. as nice as that sounds, that would be a pathetic end for him

he's been buried up to his neck in corpses throughout the whole of his career, but might end up brought down on corruption?! :eyes:

[psychopomp]

45. Think Al Capone n/t

[Aidoneus]

46. I was thinking that..

Seems a bit weasely to me.

Somebody like Saddam shouldn't be busted on a jaywalking charge, he should've been found swinging from a lampost. Likewise, a professional killer like Sharon shouldn't be brought down through the courts, but rather run through by the same sword he's been swinging for decades. Just a bit anti-climactic of an ending, is all.. would make for a disappointing end to the movie when it's made.

In what is probably the first time, and surely the last time, I agree with Blitz, in that swapping Papa Bear for a blatent fascist like Netanyahoo would not be a fair trade. While it's completely against his nature and not something to be expected, Sharon actually is the one figure that could pull something decent off and not be butchered for it the next day (his old friends will wait a week before putting him in a pine box for the "betrayal" that something decent would be seen as).

[0007]

38. Would Sharon "Wag the Dog?"

I just heard on the news that it doesn't look good.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. and he keeps all in the family like the BFEE...his son is involved too

[Blitz]

40. You prefer Netanyahu?

Because that's who you'll get if Sharon leaves or is forced out. The Israeli public made VERY clear in the last election that they are not going to move left right now. If anything, the major pull is to the right, which Sharon is fighting tooth and nail. In Israel right now, Sharon is a moderate.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. this may or may not be true...i have read some articles articulating ....

this but a majority of these are from the jerusalem post...and we all know who they support and the propaganda machine for the lukid party....i perfer Ha'aretz :shrug:

[lumpy]

42. If Sharon is a moderate

then Israel is worse off than we thought. At least Netanyahu might carry a little bit more respect.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. i agree

[Moderator]

47. Locking

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