Obama Keeps Delegate Lead

[DeepModem Mom]

Source: NYT/AP

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 5, 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama survived defeats in three primaries Tuesday with his lead the delegate race essentially intact.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton netted only a 12-delegate pickup, despite winning primaries in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, according to an analysis of returns by The Associated Press. There were still 12 more delegates to be awarded.

In the overall race for the nomination, Obama had 1,562 delegates, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Clinton had 1,461. It takes 2,025 delegates to secure the Democratic nomination.

For the night, Clinton won at least 185 delegates and Obama won at least 173.

Clinton's victory in Ohio won her only 9 more delegates than Obama, with two delegates still to be awarded. In Texas, Clinton won four more delegates than Obama in the primary. But Obama trimmed Clinton's lead to a single Texas delegate in the party caucuses. There were still 10 delegates to be awarded in the caucuses....

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Campaign-Delegates.html

[Kittycat]

1. Great news... And with 10 delegates still out, that can improve his lead.

[truebrit71]

2. Plus the 58 total delegates up for grabs in the next two contests..

...we should see his substantial lead increase further...

[Bacchus39]

18. yeah, Mississippi is a given, not sure about Wyoming

he will be regaining the big "mo'" the media will be saying he lost all the next week.

[0007]

32. How many does Wyoming have, BTW?

[SoFlaJet]

4. must be frustrating to the Clintons

that after all the negative energy they used up they only gained a dozen delegates and still trail-I guess we'll be forced to endure a few more weeks of her but the end is coming. I sort of would like to see Obama get mean and nasty on their asses too-unlike a lot of people that don't want to see it. What's good for the goose and all

[underpants]

8. Just saw Hillary on CNN promoting herself and McCain over Obama

anything to win

[krkaufman]

9. Today? Again...??

If so... absolutely anything.

[underpants]

10. Link

at the 4:03 mark

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/03/05/chetry.clinton.interview.cnn


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4906517&mesg_id=4906517

[krkaufman]

13. Thanks for the links. n/t

[AlinPA]

21. Damn. She said it again. yuk

[Kikosexy2]

6. If Obama...

loses to Clinton...will everyone cry "Racism"? Will Obama supporters switch over to insane McCain or Nader?...if they do, wouldn't that be sooo chicken-sh*t?

[BearSquirrel2]

23. The nastier the campaign gets ...

The nastier this campaign gets, the more likely for supporters on either side to sit out the general election. Hillary crossed the line and apparently it wasn't a slip up because she did it again this morning. If Obama wins this nomination, she is DONE 100% in the Democratic establishment. She will be a member of the Joe Lieberman party!!!

[goforit]

25. Well, the way Hilary voted and supported all of Bush's laws(or crimes) she isn't

gonna get out because Bush wants to keep her in so that She will pound Obama in the ground
until he will be so weak to compete against McCain.

[Kikosexy2]

30. So basically...

you'll end up supporting Insane McCain whether you decide to vote or not?...If she does ends up to be the nominee, we should support her for the sake of the Democratic Party...otherwise, you'll be giving Karl Rove, McCain and Bushco exactly what they want...It's very stupid to turn your back on the party just because she's the nominee....How did I end up in a party of back-stabbers?....ugh!

[BearSquirrel2]

33. You read more than was there ...

I didn't say that I wouldn't bite down hard and pull the lever for Hillary. I'm saying you're going to piss a lot of people off and they won't if things get nasty between the two. It's starting to get nasty. Hillary endorsing McCain over Obama is getting nasty!!!!

[stillcool]

35. It's kind of funny that...

if you don't vote you suck. If you get to the polls and you can't vote, and say something about it you suck. If your vote doesn't count and you say something about it you suck. If the rules are broken and you complain you suck. Seems no matter, what you're going to suck, unless of course your candidate wins by any means possible..then your fucked.

[satireV]

7. Must be frustrating for you now...

.. that Obama is in the same situation as Sen Clinton...

It is mathematically impossible for Obama to win the nomination using selected delegates only.

He NOW has to depend on super delegates.

AND he knew this weeks ago... that's why he stopped whining about making super delegates follow the primary results. Because NOW..... Obama must get super delegates to vote AGAINST the primary results in order to get the delegates he needs.

Must be frustrating for you to be in this situation.

[Kikosexy2]

12. Don'cha ...

fear... Oprah is God! is near....and here to save Obama's day....

[satireV]

14. That should be the next step indeed.

Bring out Oprah once again. It worked to get him to this point.

Maybe Oprah can do it again.

[krkaufman]

15. You are distorting reality ....

... as a Clintonista is wont to do.

The candidates are not in the same situation.

First, Obama leads in what are called "pledged" delegates... and Hillary will not catch him. The nominating process will end with Obama having a majority of the "pledged" delegates, those delegates allocated based on primary and caucus voting.

It has loooong been known that neither candidate would cross the nomination threshold, of 2025 delegates, on pledged delegates alone, and I'm not aware of either campaign suggesting otherwise.

The difference is... the Clinton campaign will be behind in pledged delegates at the end of the nomination process and, to gain the nomination, would require that the superdelegates vote in such a way, in inverse proportion to the pledged delegates, to override the winner of the majority of pledged delegates... the party elders effectively overruling the aggregate will of the primary and caucus voters.

This is the situation.

[satireV]

24. Actually this was my analysis to begin with

But YOU, as an Obama royalist/sycophant/thrall left out the part that Obama is in the exact same situation. He can't get enough SDs to override the will of the people either, unless the SDs cross over as you mention they would have to do for Clinton.

But NOW the difference is Obama has stopped whining about how it is unfair for SDs to cross over, because to win NOW they would have to cross over for HIM.

I've seen some of your procrustean posts around and noted how they lack any real honesty to them and are ritualistic in the emotional fervor for Obama. I don;t trust you one bit because when you leave out ALL the items that relate to the issue you are lying. And you are deliberately and maliciously lying just like GOPer scum.

Now put me on your ignore list so you can remain ignorant since nothing anyone says will change your right wing tool mind.

[krkaufman]

26. Please enlighten me. Seriously.

Let's remove any built-in bias from the issue and throw-out the candidates and the current state, entirely.

So, assuming just 2 candidates, candidate A and candidate B ...

One candidate, let's say candidate A, ends-up with a pledged delegate majority at the end of the primary and caucus voting process.

For candidate A to win the nomination, the superdelegates must merely vote enough delegates for candidate A to put them over the nomination threshold, regardless of whether more superdelegates vote for candidate A or B. The superdelegate voting distribution may even be inverse to the pledged delegate distribution, but, in this case, the nominee reflects the aggregate "will of the voter" as expressed by the pledged delegate distribution.

For candidate B to win the nomination, however, the superdelegates must vote in an inverse distribution to the "will of the voter," and in such proportion to overcome the pledged delegate deficit between candidate B and candidate A. The resulting nominee reflects the will of the minority of the voters and the superdelegates, the party establishment.

This is reality, as defined by the DNC rules. And grade school math. Exactly where does emotion enter into it?

[stillcool]

37. I wouldn't be expecting an answer...

unless it's of the four-letter variety.

[krkaufman]

39. chuckle.

Yeah, I generally get silence when I respond patiently and rationally to such hysterical postings.

[stillcool]

36. wrong post

[aquart]

3. I'm sure that's a great comfort to him.

And to you all.

[tabasco]

19. He's winning the election.

I imagine he is pretty happy about that.

[indimuse]

5. David Sarota said they BOTH need Super's to win!

..on Ed Shultz today... where is big Eddie...ha ha ...

[krkaufman]

16. That became the reality weeks ago, I thought.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3210906&mesg_id=3211087

[FogerRox]

11. Didnt HRC need 57% ?

Of the 370 delegates HRC needed 57%, thats 211., she got about 52%, 191 delegates .

[krkaufman]

17. "need" is a relative thing.

She cannot catch Obama on pledged delegates (without ENORMOUS winning margins in every remaining state)... so her plan is to smear Obama and compel the superdelegates to override the winner of the pledged delegate majority.

[AlinPA]

20. Anyone know where I can get a list of the delegate counts in remaining primaries? Thanks.

[nxylas]

28. Try here

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

(scroll down to the bottom)

[AlinPA]

31. Many thanks! (checked out Wessex, nice, I'll read more later)

[CaseyStorm]

22. Get Out Now Hillary!

We need to focus on ONE candidate to beat McCain. You need to beg Obama to choose you as a VP candidate and stop hurting the party.

[Scurrilous]

27. Great news!

:thumbsup:

[rocktivity]

29. She had to score five 60 percent-plus wins to make yesterday really count

She scored only one, beat Obama in the Texas primary by only four percent, and saw Obama score 60% in the Texas caucus. Victory or not, that HAD to hurt. THEN she says, "As Ohio goes, so goes America!"

:rofl:
rocknation

[rocktivity]

38. UPDATE: As of 10:42PM EST on CNN.com

She had to score five 60 percent-plus wins to make yesterday really count. She scored only one NONE, beat Obama in the Texas primary by only four THREE percent, and saw Obama score 60% 56% with 40% counted in the Texas caucus. Victory or not, that HAD HAS to hurt. THEN she says, "As Ohio goes, so goes America!"

:rofl:
rocknation

[superconnected]

34. Thank goodness.

Hillary Rodham Bush Clinton was starting to scare me.