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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 11:23 PM
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Kerry snaps up undecideds
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/primariescaucus/2004-01-19-kerry-momentum_x.htm

<snip>Until a few weeks ago, not many Iowans were convinced that the Massachusetts senator was "The Real Deal." Now, Kerry is in a tight battle with Howard Dean, Dick Gephardt and John Edwards in the Iowa caucuses for the Democratic presidential nomination. A poll published Sunday by The Des Moines Register showed Kerry leading the others, although the race is a statistical tie.

Kerry also picked up momentum in New Hampshire, site of the Jan. 27 primary. On Sunday, he won endorsements from The (Nashua) Telegraph and the Concord Monitor, which called him "the best prepared to be president."

"The worst days of his campaign are behind him," says Michael Meehan, a senior adviser to Kerry.

Few would have predicted Kerry's surge just weeks ago. The campaign had staff shake-ups, money problems and a confused message. Dean led in fundraising, polls and endorsements. snip

Kerry stresses his military record in speeches and claims the support of 10,000 Iowa veterans. At an event Saturday, he reunited with a man whose life he saved in Vietnam 35 years ago. Kerry won a Bronze Star for pulling Green Beret Jim Rassmann out of a river during a battle even though he himself was wounded.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:36 AM
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1. Feels like a lotta people are playing it safe.
But, to me, Kerry caved when it counted and he'll play nice like Gore did when these guys are playing for keeps.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 02:17 AM
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2. I agree
though I like Kerry's record on the environment (one of my top issues), when I saw him speaking today, it was like watching human sominex. He makes Gore look wildly charismatic by comparison. Without "mojo", it's hard to get anywhere with modern campaigns.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:15 AM
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5. I S'pose you like 'em HOT,ANGRY,Sputtering and Stupid?
:crazy: Go see the Dean for a class re-admit note!
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:13 AM
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4. OBVIOUSLY You don't Know KERRY at All, nor Theresa!
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 05:16 AM by GalleryGod
Did you see that "laughable" diatribe of a TV ad that a right wing group launched on The Guv'nuh !? Jon Stewart featured it.Get USED to it! And most of the SOUTHern, Nascar Dads agree with the ad.
:argh:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:50 AM
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3. Kerry is an even more unappealing candidate than Dukakis was.
He just comes across as the politician's politician.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 08:50 PM
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9. Are you saying he has an, er, charm deficit?
But seriously, Kerry has no touch. He crafts each utterance as if for a Kennedy School seminar.

Face to face with Bush, he'll get clobbered. Average Americans won't warm to him, and too few Dems will be bothered to turn out.

For a recent reality check on the Kerry-Dukakis-Mondale electability quotient -- the bankability of dullness -- merely look at the 2002 Minnesota Senate race. Following Wellstone's untimely death, Mondale was dusted off and wheeled out only to be soundly beaten by the dwarfish man-boy Coleman, a Dubya protege.

Bush had ushered Coleman around the Twin Cities, where the tiny Republican hopeful was heard to observe, "'God Bless America' is a prayer. And I believe George Bush is the answer to that prayer."

That's all it takes to beat a stodgy opponent. In the state of Humphrey, no less. Imagine the inelastic Kerry taking his act south, west, or even north!
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:44 PM
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11. I agree
Kerry is very unappealing. He comes off to me as too much of an insider.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:50 PM
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13. I concur.
I don't mind Kerry on most of the issues (IWR being an important exception), but I have serious doubts about his electability.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:26 AM
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19. Dukakis lost the election to Papa Bush because he wouldn't fight
back against the mudslinging Bush Sr's campaign threw at him, mainly it was the Willie Horton ads that caused his downward spiral. I happened to like Dukakis a great deal and have a deep respect for the man, I was completely appalled by the WH ads. Kerry will fight back, big difference.
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aeon flux Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:48 AM
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6. I am rooting for Dean or Edwards

Dean would be my first choice but given that we still have the South to contend with, I would gladly back Edwards because he can appeal to all voters, including Southerners. Edward's is like a Dean without the Northern liberal 'taint.' My dream ticket would be Dean/Edwards or Edwards/Dean.

I like what Kerry has to say, but he is not a great speaker, which is his major weakness. You need the ability to inspire people if you're going to defeat Bush, and Kerry simply lacks that crucial trait.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 06:25 AM
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7. Excellent!
People are paying attention.

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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 06:30 AM
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8. Kerry / Edwards ticket would be nice
It's a safe ticket and anyone that goes up against Bush is going to get torn apart by the right wing press anyways.

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aeon flux Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:42 PM
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10. Is it me or does Kerry sound like the guy from Nightline
In other words, snooze-inducing.

I can't imagine how Kerry was able to carry Iowa as CNN just reported. He's so boring. I was expecting Dean or Edwards to win it, but Kerry? Give me a break. I might be worng, but it seems to me that Kerry has as much chance against Bush as Ted Koppel does (if he were running).



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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:48 PM
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12. MSNBC Reporting that Gephardt will drop out tomorrow
Here's hoping he backs Edwards.

Kerry will be Gore II... running an ineffectual campain.


Edwards, Clark, Dean, then Kerry ... in that order... have the best chance to beat W.




Dean
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 09:56 PM
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14. It will be interesting to see who Gephardt backs. He does have a lot
of the unions...
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 10:49 PM
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15. I don't understand the Kerry rebound.
On this board -- if you believe the various polls -- Kerry consistently polled third or fourth. Now I know DU'ers are not your typical voters, but how does this grass root movement gather such strength without trends in that direction?

I'm not surprised that Edwards soared because he really did run a positive campaign and a lot of people -- particularly little old ladies -- don't like negative campaigning.

But Kerry campaigned negatively up to the end, including a sideswipe at Dean -- used by Tweety tonight -- by commenting that it's "important for a candidate to have his family behind him."
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 11:25 PM
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16. Maybe Kerry has more of an ace in the hole with VETS than it appears
And maybe those vets are more influential with other voters than we give them credit for?

Vietnam Vets no doubt, but maybe the Korean vets, and the WWII vets are saying look at him, he volunteered & fought in an unpopular war, then he opposed it. A lot of those vets have sons and grandsons that they don't want drafted by a lying Bush administration, and word has got around on Bush's dodge of real military service--and just look at the two guys, Bush and Kerry---really, who is a REAL veteran going to vote for? And who is a REAL veteran going to tell his relatives and friends to vote for? Maybe that is what happened in Iowa.

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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 04:07 AM
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18. Re: Maybe Kerry has more of an ace in the hole with VETS than it appears
A lot of those vets have sons and grandsons that they don't want drafted by a lying Bush administration, and word has got around on Bush's dodge of real military service--and just look at the two guys, Bush and Kerry---really, who is a REAL veteran going to vote for?

Kerry's being a vet is one thing, but I think his record on Veteran issues compared to bush's is also something to consider. bush's using the soldiers as campaign props and then turning around and cutting, or trying to cut, benefits is disgusting. It should be a high profile issue no matter who gets nominated for the Dems.
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 11:28 PM
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17. "Kerry" is going to take some getting used to --
He hasn't reached many DUers -- especially me. But the handwriting is on the wall. This election change tonight when I saw Howard Dean go kinda beserk and hoarse and waaay-over-the-top in a W.W.F. way on TV when he came in third, and I see Wesley Clark in the rear view mirror and I'm startimg to think this race is still wide-open.
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kclown Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:05 AM
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22. Don't forget Clark just about endorsed Kerry recently n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:33 AM
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20. I expect Kerry and Edwards picked up some votes that..
would have gone to Clark if he were running in Iowa. Should make New Hampshire interesting.
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Kbick Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:40 AM
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21. Maybe Iowa was MLK jr's revenge.
I know Dean support "States Rights" and South Carolina's right to fly the confederate flag.

So maybe Iowa was MLK jr's revenge.

It would have been a sad day if the Democrat who won on MLK jr's holiday supported "States Rights".


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