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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:27 PM
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Overtime Pay For Millions of Americans in Peril
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/oneworld/20040114/wl_oneworld/4536767841074121627&e=5

Oh Boy, another major screwing by the Bushitas. I spend $4,000 and 18 months to strengthen my skills in an area I hope to get a job in and that job title falls under this overtime cut.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:32 PM
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1. They completely ignore every effort by the working class to stop this. I
had signed up for 3 or 4 actions on this thru moveon and the movement affiliated with the AFL-CIO. Stacks and stacks of letters and petitions, hundreds of thousand of signatures, it's came up like 3 or 4 times and the pompous little bastard still got his way.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:39 PM
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2. I bet you many of those people will still vote for him
whoever does, deserves what it gets. Not all repukes are rich
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 07:49 PM
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3. Since it didn't work they way they wanted in congress
Edited on Wed Jan-14-04 07:50 PM by lovedems
now they are going to make it an administrative order which doesn't require congress approval at all.

I can't believe we are constantly spoon fed how close this election is going to be. They haven't stopped at ANYTHING to make their corporate donors happy.
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Gysgt213 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:04 PM
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4. They are also showing employers how to beat their system by
raising employee's pay so that they don't qualify for overtime pay.

http://www.unknownnews.net/040107ot.html
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:19 PM
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5. Yeah...could they be any more brazen?
Fuckers.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:57 PM
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10. It's not an administrative order
It's executive branch rulemaking. Dems and some Repugs in Congress tried to stop this rulemaking but it didn't make it through the closed-door process between the House and the Senate. Therefore it won't be in the omnibus bill when Congress returns next week.

All due to the Republican leadership, ahem, Frist and DeLay.

Did you read about the suggestions the dept of Labor came out with to try to make sure employers can screw their employees even further?

Came out last week while I was in LA.

I'll post a link.

s_m


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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:50 AM
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13. Thats what they've done
with their entire extremist agenda. If it doesn't pass Congress, push it through by executive order. The hypocrisy is beyond astounding.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:30 PM
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6. geez
we have got to get rid of this administration. Is there nothing we can do to try to protect the overtime laws? Why isn't this on the front page?
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:39 PM
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7. The Press is too busy with Michael Jackson
And Robert Blake, Pee Wee, Jeffrey Jones and Scott Peterson!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:46 PM
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8. This plan will eat up their Bush taxcut and then some
throw in health care premiums that rise by 15% a year, rising college tutitions, higher state and local taxes and you have the full impact of this "recovery" for working class people.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:47 PM
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9. Money is needed for the moon
We can't have people earning overtime....please, space exploration is what it's all about!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 11:00 PM
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11. So how does the Executive Branch trump the Fair Labor Standards Act
with an Executive Order? It's clear that rather than raising the labor standards in the rest of the world, Bush*s intent is to lower them here, so United States workers will be working at lower standards, as opposed to the rest of the world's labor market having its standards lifted. And, of course, should a worker refuse, a corporate human resources department can import a worker from Mexico, under Bush*s proposed immigration policy, to replace that worker. Looks like he has the details worked out ....

I wonder if the voting Republican world who would be impacted by such changes in the current overtime laws when denying that the God-like Bush* would steal an election dreamed he would steal from them, steal as in usurping legitimate overtime wages they legally earned. Fortunately for me, I don't recognize Bush*; likewise I disregard all his Executive Orders. The day my employer sees me at work performing tasks for them and not getting paid for it is the day he or she will be seeing things.

CNN featured an article in the Richmond Dispatch featuring a suggestion of the Labor Department to employers seeking to avoid paying overtime to lower-wage personnel to cut hourly wages, work their employees longer hours, and end up paying the same amount. If Bush* follows through with his determination to effect these changes, one way or another, it's going to be a horrendous sight to see, the reaction among the labor force that results.
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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:18 AM
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12. I truly, truly
and honestly hate this man. This is very sad indeed.

I can't think of anything else to say.

:-(
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:22 AM
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14. Cheap labor conservatives strike again.
And the pundits all scratch their heads and wonder why this corporate earnings "recovery" hasn't created a single job!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:39 AM
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15. this is your wonderful media at work --- it's too late -- did they share
this ahead of time on mainsream media -- NO.

Who does this benfit--business --- of course.

Screw the working people -- get rid of bush and take back your media.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:42 AM
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16. You people think it stops with overtime?
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 08:55 AM by LincolnMcGrath
I warned you, and it will soon be gone. They want it all. Head start, Unemployment insurance, Tort reform, Union Destruction.

I have breathed the same air as a *Compassionate Conservative* Senator, broke bread with him and his kin. I know what they are after.
"Why do we need unemployment insurance, The paper has jobs every day?" From the distinguished gentleman`s mouth.

I say, "The first ten jobs are strippers/escorts, and the other four pay $6 pr hour."

"So you work two jobs!" screamed this compassionate child of fortune.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:45 AM
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17. it's his political philosophy
Leave no Millionaire Behind
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:58 AM
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18. Is it true: No more overtime at more than $22,100 a year?
Folks, that $10.83 an hour. It's lower than the average starting wage in Fargo, ND, but we're a hopeless frozen banana republic (sort of like my natal state of Louisiana, but with snow).

When people making a few bucks over ten an hour suddenly realise they can be forced to work as long as their employer likes for no overtime at $11 bucks an hour, I can only hope there is going to be a backlash of the sort requiring police protection and possibly the national guard.

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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:43 PM
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22. My understanding is that that is not true...
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 02:02 PM by Greyskye
It looks like the cutoff is at $65,000/year.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=655&u=/oneworld/20040114/wl_oneworld/4536767841074121627&printer=1

On edit:
My question is: Is this a guideline for companies, or an imposed 'regulation'? I'm trying to find out if this is going to affect me or not. I generally get a big chunk of my annual pay from overtime and doubletime. If my company has this imposed on it, I'll definitely be impacted. :grr: :( :grr:
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:54 PM
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23. That is my understanding also
n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:22 PM
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30. The rule isn't limited to over $65,000 a year, it jsut includes them.
It could apply to nurses, et al, making $35,000 a year being reclassifed as managers.

It is particularly egregious to nurses and other hourly medical people who could be charged with "deserting" their patients for not staying for longer hours.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:56 AM
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19. Kick
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:56 AM
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20. scumbags...
the whole lot of them! may they all rot in hell! :mad:
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:18 PM
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21. Kick
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:32 PM
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24. $%$%
Rep. Ralph Regula (R-Ohio), who chairs the committee, said in a letter to Obey in late October that he would not provide funds for projects in the districts of members of either party who voted against the bill, which he defended as "fair and balanced." He said that he had to make "priority choices within available funds to secure at least 218 votes" and that the tactic had been used by "both Democrats and Republicans throughout the history of the institution." A copy of the letter was obtained from Regula's staff.

"I am certainly not trying to intimidate members; I am simply trying to do the best I can within the funding available," Regula wrote.

The exact numbers of workers affected is unknown, because it would depend on how many companies seek to reclassify employees. For example, current rules classify workers "exempt" from overtime pay who use "discretion and judgment." The new rules would allow exemptions for workers who hold a "position of responsibility."

Critics say that could mean that employees who supervise as few as two workers could be denied overtime, including firefighters and police officers.

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aeon flux Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:47 PM
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25. Arnold's plan to reform worker's comp in California

entails cutting the modest benefits workers comp benefits received by workers injured on the job.

However, 99% of the waste and fraud in the worker's comp program is caused by the insurance companies, which Arnold turns a blind eye on.

So much for campagining as the big anti-special interest crusader.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:55 PM
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26. don't know what I'm more angry about
screwing workers out of overtime or that yahoo news prints democrat instead of democratic in the article. It's a deliberate misuse of the word by writers who know better. Any one else tired of this bs campaign by the right wingers?
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:44 PM
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27. ACTION ITEM! Senate vote Jan 20th
http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/voteforovertime/xs753d2fbtj7t


Yes, this will be the 5th time for me on filling one of these out. Not to mention my own e-mails directly. Beginning to feel it's a waste of time, but please contact your Senators if you want to try to stop this.
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BenFranklinUSA Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:10 PM
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28. Companies more willing to pay OT to low-scalers???
By not paying people over $65k their overtime, employers would be more willing to allow lesser paid folks to work for overtime pay?
I'll believe it when I see it.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:13 PM
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29. This ought to help the nursing shortage /sarcasm n/t
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 05:14 PM by GinaMaria
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Clyde39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:25 PM
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31. Nurses are not as important as the moon mission
We really NEED to spend billions to return to the moon.
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TheDalaiMama Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:47 PM
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32. Didn't you all get the memo? One thousand (1000) will benefit from this
it does not matter that 8000 will lose money. Goodbye Mr Boosh.
Take your time going...but hurry back!

dalai
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:18 PM
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33. I drove by a huge billboard with a message about cutting overtime
and a question for "Mr. Bush" I hope these are littering the landscape of every state in America. While I am not a fan of billboards this is a message that needs to be shouted over the heads of the media pundits.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:27 PM
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34. link dead
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:04 PM
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35. Here's a new link to story and link to EPI study
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 12:15 AM
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36. Will this force many to take on 2nd or 3rd jobs?
Another sad day for America under Bush.....I can't wait for it to end. It's almost as if there's a war between the "haves" and the "have nots" going on lately!
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