Police Academy Class Slogan: Cause PTSD

[Hissyspit]

Source: The News & Observer (NC)

Police academy class slogan: Cause PTSD

BOISE, Idaho - A state police academy leader has disavowed the slogan of the most recent graduating class urging one another to "go out and cause" post-traumatic stress disorder. Each class at the Idaho Police Officer Standards and Training Academy is allowed to choose a slogan that is printed on its graduation programs, and the class of 43 graduates came up with "Don't suffer from PTSD, go out and cause it."

According to the Veterans Association, tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers suffer from PTSD, which causes nightmares, flashbacks and physical symptoms that make sufferers feel as if they are reliving trauma, even many years later. Crime, accidents and other trauma can cause it in civilians.

Ada County Sheriff Gary Raney, who attended the Dec. 14 graduation, pointed out the slogan to the academy's director, Jeff Black, minutes before the ceremony began, Raney said. A photograph of the program was e-mailed anonymously to news outlets throughout the state.

"That's not something we encourage or condone," Black said. "It shouldn't have been there. It was inappropriate." Black said the class president was ex-military, and that the slogan "slipped in." He declined to identify the graduate. Black said future slogans would be vetted by academy leaders.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071226/ap_on_re_us/police_academy_slogan

[Heidi]

1. This attitude, and the tasers that accompany it, is extremely telling (and dangerous).

I would hope that law enforcement agencies would be reluctant to hire any academy graduate who supported that slogan. :thumbsdown:

[ThomCat]

29. I'm sure they chose it because they thought it

accurately conveyed the culture they were entering. It is very telling. But I think it tells us as much about the culture of the police acadamy, and the force, than about the individuals in that class.

I'll bet they have no problem finding jobs.

[LeftCoast]

2. Hmm...Looks like Idaho needs to rethink their psych eval

They sure picked a winning class this year. :eyes:

Good luck Idaho. With this crop of winners heading out the door, you'll need it.

[iaviate1]

3. self delete

[cornermouse]

4. I don't think I'll be driving through Idaho any time soon, if ever.

And you don't get much more law abiding than me.

[HardWorkingDem]

5. People around here need to take a breath, relax and chill a bit..

Wow. When I went through jump school, by choice, I got blood wings, now that is seen as hazing. Now there is this where some people got out of hand a bit, threw out a high school like "rah, rah" slogan and people are acting like it's the second coming of Bush.

Relax people. We liberals don't have to be this uptight.

[donsu]

21. yes we do

give them an inch they will take a yard

[tabasco]

28. The only way to go through jump school is by choice.

Jump school, where you prepare to do battle against America's enemies, is a lot different than a police academy, where you prepare to protect and serve the American people. It is a dangerous condition when the police view the people as the enemy. Sorry if you don't understand that.

"We liberals." LMAO. Liberals are hardly a monolithic block. Your statement makes it sound like you don't know what a liberal is.


I went through jump school and a lot of other schools, btw.

[HardWorkingDem]

32. Should ask before you jump to conclusions...

Try reading reply number 6.

As stated, people here need to relax a bit. This thing here is nothing more than an act of pumping people up in a way not too unlike that of cheerleaders at a sporting event.

And what I read is not what a took as a broad statement or concept of the cops seeing everybody as the enemy. And I should know, because I am one.

People here blowing a gasket here over this is like that time when public opinion made the creators of Hill Street Blues change the phrasing of their roll call sgt. He would say something like, "let's do it to them, before they do it to us." People whined and moaned about it and ended up getting it changed. Just like this non-story.

Now, I do take high offense at you accusing me of not knowing what a liberal is or is not. And one little more ditty: I have been in the military, in policing and have more than put in my time of existing in an environment lacking in liberals and over populated by Rethugs.

[cartach]

6. So What?

Noticed that the only group of people not listed as suffering from PTSD are the criminals.I'm sure that's all the slogan meant,just another way of saying that the goal should be to turn the tables on criminals, get tough on crime and make sure the bad guys feel the pressure instead of the other way around.To go on the offensive instead of being defensive.Anyone who has a problem with that better stick their head back up their ass and keep it there or at least never take off the rose colored glasses. And don't come up with comments about "fascist police state", tasers,police brutality,etc.Those certainly deserve discussion but definitely not in this context.If you don't support your local law enforcement when they want to assert themselves doing their job,then be resigned to complacency and let the criminals take over,if they already have'nt.

[The Wizard]

11. The police have

an us versus them mentality, and anyone not involved in law enforcement is them. That's why this statement is dangerous. If you've ever been confronted by a cop with a chip on his shoulder at three in the morning you'd understand. They can shoot innocent people and get away with it by saying they saw a a shiny object or the victim made a sudden move. Remember when Guilani's hit men slaughtered an unarmed man who was taking out his wallet to show ID.
The Idaho State Police Academy just got caught, that's all.

[BlueIris]

12. Enjoy your stay here, man.

[baldguy]

15. Because most of the people the police deal with aren't criminals.

And even if they are - criminals are still citizens with rights.

No one ever said being a cop was easy. People who think of criminals as an enemy that DESERVES to be abused by the police shouldn't be police officers.

[pretzel4gore]

16. so we out psycho the psychos?

Norris and Bittaker, two far out crazies from long ago (back when the govmint hid its atrocities; preferred to let mr psychpath take ALL its credit! ho-hum) who liked em young and helpless (nyuck nyuck) would use pliers on the kids' faces! Talk about shock and aw shucks, eh? lol
(The nazis let their most vicious groupings use a 'deaths head' symbol- but after 1945, very few fat nazi buraucrats stood proudly at the sight of those deaths heads! indeed they all squirmed and pleaded that they had no ideea of such depravity being loosened, hahaha..the 'jolly roger' of pirate fame has today become the skull'n'bones of the secret society that nevertheless hides itself, despite its immense power...and no one sees the antithesis)
Ted bundy was a few years too early, i believe. Had ted postponed its gratification a bit, and allowed time to pass, he would have been the epitome of those causing creating PTSD! hey, he coulda been the president, ferchrissakes)
turns out, we're on the same page cartach!

[donsu]

22. it is not the job of the police to PUNISH - that is the courts job

nt

[acmavm]

7. If they couldn't get on with a police force they'd be behind bars somewhere.

They may end up that way regardless.

[cartach]

8. Have you had

a few run-ins with the law? Sounds like it.

[acmavm]

14. Hell no. Why would you make such an ignorant assumption?

By the way, that piece of valuable info was imparted to me by a homicide detective friend of my mother's years ago.

[Tempest]

30. Guess you don't remember some infamous police actions

Like Rampart in L.A.

Or the scandal when criminals were actually being accepted into police academies.

[EFerrari]

10. No kidding. Seeking to cause mental harm is a crime, isn't it?

[HardWorkingDem]

34. Thanks...

Glad you feel that way about cops......

Guess since people like to lump all cops into one group, I guess it's fair to assume folks like you must be people who live in protective shells and on islands called Fantasy.

After working with a wonderful family man who was murdered in the line of duty, I refuse anymore to stand by while fellow DU'ers misalign cops in broad manners such as what is going on in this thread.

I'm sick of it.

[acmavm]

36. You're welcome. Cops have become a big part of the problem

in this country. We had a 'riot' at the only anti-war demonstration we had here in Hooterville. You wanna know who started it? A female cop. A mounted patrol cop. She was a lying, miserable, troublemaking bitch. And they she had he 'guys' chase down people and arrest them. They got sent to jail. She is still out there stirring up shit.

There have been articles too numberous to mention about police corruption during the past year. And its thugs like these 'don't get pstd give pstd' that are at the heart of the problem.

Just because they wear that uni doesn't mean that they're superheros.

[HardWorkingDem]

38. And again, it's people like you...

that paint to many with a broad brush and vilify others for seemingly doing the same thing.

Show me ANYWHERE in ANY post I've made about these issues where I have defended blatant abuse of authority. Let me save you some time - you won't find one. And try to do the same when it comes to the word "superheroes".

But I'm sick and tired of people who jump to all the knee jerk responses of fascist, racist, murderer and so on.

What I've tried to do here in threads like these is offer a contrary opinion and show how there are reasons we do the things we do and often times people don't understand those reasons.

And there is corruption in everything.

[sarcasmo]

9. Fascism is alive and well and appears to be thriving in Boise, Idaho.

[Kolesar]

13. What's the matter with Idaho?

Their governor made a vow to go out an kill the first wolf once those shits legalize killing wolves.

[pretzel4gore]

18. Where's a Werewolf when you need one?

i notice, after a 20 year or so year hiatus, the shit-on-the-forest types have recently been highlighting stories about wolves menacing poor human beings, and even whales causing grief, endangering precious lives etc. Werewolves always seemed frightening, mainly because it was as a child they were featured in bedtime stories etc (really, you rarely heard about Werewolves anywhere else except kids' horror stories)...nevertheless, i'd pay good money to have a nice old blood-fanged go through walls, leap highest mountain type Werewolf visit that vicious son of a bitch guvner!
lol

[Kolesar]

19. Yes, that is very illustrative and creative.

The population of the wolves introduced into Yellowstone has become so high that the bush* administration has found a rationale to "delist" them from the endangered species list.

This is at the urging of the ranchers, but it is moreso due to the lazy hunters who claim that the wolves are killing their "trophy" species: bighorned sheep. The smart people in Montana have adopted a plan to protect the wolves, but the politicians in Idaho and Wyoming are using this as an issue to demagogue for a few more votes and campaign contributions.

These folks follow the issue. Peace: www.defendersofwildlife.com

[Summer93]

17. Gone are the days

I remember when a lost child would be comforted and returned to their parent with kindness. My little brother rode his purple plush donkey too far from home and the police brought him home because they knew where he lived, his mother was the local church organist. That happened in the early 60's.

Those days are gone. Now I read in the news that they arrest children. When did the police lose the ability to talk, to use common sense and reason. Now there is only force as the only solution. It is so saddening.

When will the pendulum begin to swing back to people caring for people?

[donsu]

20. are sadists drawn to be police officers? Sexists? Racists?

nt

[T Wolf]

23. Ding Ding. Winner of easiest question of the year award. Survey says, "Yes!"

[HardWorkingDem]

33. Sick of it....typical DU response anymore...

if you don't agree 100 percent, you are a "fascist", "sexist", "racist", et cetera...

It grows old here....

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

37. Oh, for fuxake...

[pattmarty]

24. Hey, how about "death to all cops"? Seems like a winning slogan.

[acmavm]

25. How about using some common sense? And group that adopts

that as their 'slogan' needs to be kicked off the force yesterday.

[Maestro]

26. Disgusting!

I thought the police were here to serve and protect the citizenry! :eyes: How long before one of these graduates beats a person or shoots someone?

[IDemo]

27. It's entertaining to jump on the entire state of Idaho for the actions of a few now and then here,

Isn't it?

Contrary to the popular belief on DU, most of the population here does not embrace hate groups or criminally violent cops. To try and draw a connection between the stupid actions of one over-zealous police academy graduate and the rest of the state is exactly the same thing intellectually as you pretend to hate: ignorant prejudice.

[Tempest]

31. As a friend of mine who lives in Idaho says

Idaho is where whackos go to live in the woods.

He sends me daily local news reports of Idaho behaving badly.

The list of what's wrong with Idaho is long.

You can start with the governor and work your way down.

[IDemo]

35. Thanks for that incisive analysis

I have lived here for 38 years and consider myself very well acquainted with the history and culture. The vast majority are appalled at the image of one big Klan rally some would paint this state with.

To say there haven't been problems in the past would be dishonest, but even then, they represented a very tiny percentage of the state population as a whole. The Aryan Nations compound was turned into a "peace park" after the Southern Poverty Law Center won a $6.3 million judgment against the group for shooting at a woman and her son while they drove by. There are still some smaller groups around the state, but nowhere near the number found in California, for example.

And nobody is trying to defend the governor or our illustrious congressional delegation, who are all certifiable wackos. Jim Risch will likely replace Wide-Stance after the next election, so that will continue.

[dysfunctional press]

39. if one graduate is responsible- he needs to be dismissed.

if the whole class came up with the slogan- they ALL need to be booted.

if the academy wants to retain any integrity, that is.

[goodgd_yall]

40. You said it

I think too often, a slap on the wrist--if even that--is what happens to those who show they're not fit to enforce the law.

[undergroundpanther]

41. They might as well

Be proud to say they go out and abuse people.

PSTD is psychiatric INJURY .And Injury one gets from being around abusive people,(narcissists,psychopaths authoritarians, in other words bullies), abusive situations caused by abusive people,( situations being,threatened at knife point,being battered,bullied, raped or participating in a war) or natural disasters,accidents.
Now the cops want to cause PSTD?

Fuck them, than if they think PSTD is something to joke about..let them suffer PSTD and after they endure it for a few years ,let's see if they want to inflict the kind of shit on others,like what I suffer though once they find their own lives fucked up beyond repair.
Oh I forgot people with no emotions can't feel enough to be hurt that way.