Bonds indicted by BALCO Federal Grand Jury

[AllegroRondo]

Source: KTVU

Major League Baseball's all-time home run king Barry Bonds was indicted Thursday on perjury and obstruction justice charges, according to KTVU reporter Rita Williams.

The five-count indictment -- four counts of perjury and one of obstruciton of justice -- capped one of the longest federal grand jury investigations in Northern California history -- a proceeding that introduced the sports world to the acronym BALCO (Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative) and led to the downfall of American track and field world and Olympic champions Marion Jones, Kelli White and Tim Montgomery.

Read more: http://www.ktvu.com/news/14606146/detail.html

[sasquatch]

1. Woohoo

:woohoo:

[MADem]

2. Will he get an asterisk AND one of those daggers in the record book? nt

[sasquatch]

3. Or the record set completly aside

[MADem]

5. Well, he DID hit 'em. And he DID do it in major league games.

IF he is found to have used performance enhancers, I think it should be noted.

For part of the time he was using them, if he even was (I have to take the "innocent until proven guilty" road, even though he sure looked like he bulked like the Hulk in a hurry), they weren't illegal for part of that time, I don't think.

It can serve as a cautionary tale, at any rate.

[olddad56]

49. and he hit a lot of em against pitchers who were 'juiced'.

it is so common in professional athletics that they have a term for playing without using something. It's called 'playing naked'.

[MADem]

66. I go for putting him in the book, with a notation, for that reason, as well.

It permeated the game. This whole era will be known as the "tainted" era.

It's an important point you make!

[FredScuttle]

12. Based on what?

A federal indictment? I wasn't aware that impacted achivements on the playing field. Otherwise, Denny McLain and Pete Rose would have been erased from the books a long time ago.

[sasquatch]

14. Well ok, we'll wait until he's convicted, then we jump'em

[Oeditpus Rex]

24. You'll notice neither Rose nor McLain are in the Hall

That's despite Rose having more hits than anyone and McLain being the only pitcher since 1934 to win 30 games in a season.

I kinda think baseball doesn't want to honor players who've been threatened with or done time in the slammer.

How's that "impact" ya?

[FredScuttle]

47. I wasn't talking about the HOF

I was responding to the poster who wanted Bonds' HR record erased from the books

[TomInTib]

4. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

I used to coach National Select Teams of 15-18 year old kids.

It was appalling how many of those kids were juiced because "Barry does it".

[sasquatch]

6. I've heard that has been happening way to frequently lately

[TomInTib]

9. Those kids were tearing themselves up.

Constant hamstring and elbow problems.

My own son destroyed a very promising career.

Between the years of 15-18, he beat Josh Beckett every time they pitched against one another (maybe 9 or 10 games).

[sasquatch]

13. Your son was injecting and you didn't stop him?

[TomInTib]

16. I had no idea.

He's a lot smarter than I am.

Most of his damage came later.

He is, pound for pound, the most powerful person I have ever known. He didn't need it.

But he was looking for an edge.

To this day, we cannot discuss it without me just going crazy.

[sasquatch]

17. Is he in school?

[TomInTib]

18. No.

He is 27.

He had College scouts watching him from the time he was 12.

The Pros came around a few years later.

Then he dropped out of school to play year-round and the College scouts went away.

Blew out his Flexor tendon in rookie camp.

[Faygo Kid]

20. He would have made the Hall without it easily. But that wasn't enough.

No question, he was a great ballplayer in his early years, without steroids - but he was a jerk then, too.

Before and after. The greatest growth, believe it or not, was in his head size. Grotesque.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

7. King george Will Commute His Sentence

I'm sure the repubs will be in an uproar over this.

:sarcasm:

[MaineDem]

22. I just heard the BBC quoting George: "It's a sad day for baseball."

That idiot's (GWB) priorities are so fecking misplaced. It's a sad day 'cause Bonds is indicted? What do you call the situation in the whole world because of your own actions, you bloody fool!!!!!

[cboy4]

26. Why? The US Attorney that filed this case is a right

wing conservative who donated $2,000 to Bush-Cheney in 2004.

What a guy, wasting all of this tax payer money on this.

[SoFlaJet]

8. Screw Barry Bonds

I hate cheaters-next I want The Patriots to have *'s to be on their Lombardi Trophies.I put it at the feet of what has happened to this country since it was OK to steal a presidential election.

[YDogg]

10. amen

[calimary]

74. VERY good point.

Gaming the system was, in that moment, elevated not only to a high art but knocked the idea that crime doesn't pay and cheaters never prosper flat on its ass.

[YDogg]

11. what a damn shame

:sarcasm:

[Renew Deal]

15. A year overdue

:banghead:

[cboy4]

27. Yea, that's a shame. Ha Bleachers7?

LOL

[TheWraith]

19. You know, at first I didn't care about Barry Bonds.

I couldn't have cared less what he was doing, other than a general disapproval of people who try to cheat the rules. But every time I've seen the man on camera, or doing an interview, he's had such a profoundly arrogant, self-centered, egomaniacal quality about him that I can't help but develop an extreme loathing for the man and everything he represents.

[Historic NY]

21. his pins strips will have wide horizontal stripes..........

this guy has a head bigger than his brain. :yoiks:

[Pavulon]

23. I called the crap out of this one

man. Was a GD thread where someone (from SF) was saying barry was the greatest thing ever.

Throw him out of baseball, remove his name from the books, and he is a piece of shit.

If pete rose was banished for betting, barry should be banished for this.

Cheating bastard.

[cboy4]

29. I can tell you're the type of person who could never

serve on a jury.

The attorneys would burn two of their peremptory challenges on someone like yourself who is so quick to convict a person (you don't even know) before his day in court.

It's quite appalling actually.

[cboy4]

25. Gee, what a surprise. The US attorney that decided to

file this case today, because it was so difficult to find anything on Barry:

Is a Republican who donated $2,000 to Bush-Cheney in 2004.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=Sch...

Oh, you want to know why he's there?

Because he replaced Kevin Ryan, one of eight U.S. attorneys fired by Bush.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_adminis...

Yea, I'm sure Mr. Schools is fair and balanced.

:puke:

[Divine Discontent]

31. I wonder how I'm supposed to chat about this with you without you...

biting my head off.

:rofl:

You're a ferocious debater on here. But I wanna talk baseball with you. So, I'll venture into these shark infested waters and ask you some stuff.

I really dislike Bonds, and I find all steroid users to be horrible for organized sports.

The fact that Mr. Schools cannot give to the Bush Cheney re-election campaign and still be fair and balanced is an unfair charge by you, sir!

(now I'm lying with that one! you know better, but I totally agree with ya - anyone who replaced one of the fired attorney's and donated to lil' hitler's reelection cannot be trusted!)

if you would, enlighten me as to why I should not be disgusted with Bonds after reading what they stated today, that I felt was probably the case all along. My best friend loves him and watched the run up to the record being broken. I did not. And I absolutely love baseball. He kept me up to date with each homer, knowing I wasn't watching, but insisting, still, that it's baseball history that should be preserved. I cannot feel that way, maybe you can explain to me why I shouldn't feel this way, when everything is stacked against him?

[cboy4]

32. Oh it's a good thing you're my friend or you'd get it

The first obvious thing to point out is he doesn't play for your team.

I have always argued that I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking Bonds as long as the hate is not disproportionate to the other players who have admitted taking steroids, or are suspected of taking steroids.

Countless baseball players have been suspended for steroids or are under investigation but hardly anyone pays attention. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_suspended_for_steroids

Every person who speaks out against Bonds always has to add, "well, he's a jerk." So people think he takes steroids and they think he's a jerk, and then jeer him at stadiums as though Hitler was playing left field for the Giants.

I'm truly surprised nobody ever shot Bonds during a road game. The seething anger was so evident.

And for those of us in the Bay Area, we're like has everyone lost their minds? We watch home games with 40,000 in the seats in our beautiful waterfront stadium, and it's relaxing and mostly enjoyable.

And then the Giants go on the road, and it's like the Twilight Zone. I remember watching the Giants play the Astros in Houston on TV. Bonds got hit by a pitch, and the crowd cheered as though a child molester had just been convicted.

It was truly a sad display. These people who were purportedly so concerned about gamesmanship, fair play and honesty react that way in front of their little boys. It was appalling.

So just mark me down as someone who doesn't get the intense outrage.

And also mark me down as someone who is fiercely loyal toward people in his life, from Bill Clinton to Barry Bonds, and maybe even themartyred. I said maybe

You at least say you find all * users horrible for sports.

But other fans jeer Bonds, while they cheer on their own team's steroid player with a wink and a nod.

[Divine Discontent]

57. lol

I smiled at the subject title. lol..

I wanted to hear why you felt the way you do about him. I can understand the oddity of seeing a home game then watching on TV as themartyred starts screaming from the stands, "you steroid pig!" (OK I never said that, but I get *excited* just thinking of you gettin all upset! lol)

But in all seriousness. I respect your opinion, or I wouldn't have asked for it. I feel he's bad for the game, but if people, and you kindly noted about me, do not share the same disgust for ALL the hundreds of sports people who have used performance enhancing drugs, then they are clearly either just racist sob's, just hatin b/c it's not their team and it gives them an easy gripe, or they despise Bonds' personality.

Thanks again sweety-pie-guy (I have to sugar you up so you don't kick my ass)

lol... :hug:

[tabasco]

28. It always baffled me why someone who plays baseball for a living

is such a freaking jerk.

[sasquatch]

33. Because he has that personality that thinks the sun should rise and set-

on his ass.

[davidinalameda]

30. what a shame

NOT

glad to see that the Giants cut him loose before this hit the fan though

they're not in a position where they have to defend him now

[sasquatch]

34. I think they knew it was time to get away from him for good ASAP

[davidinalameda]

72. Magowan didn't get to where he is by being stupid

[MadHound]

35. No Hall of Fame for Bonds

And if Bud Selig wanted to return respect and integrity to the game, he would strip Bonds of both his home run records, along with stripping McGwire of his, and revert the records back to Hank Aaron and Roger Maris, both of whom we know didn't cheat. Leaving these records standing, especially if Bonds is convicted, is simply making a mockery of the sport.

[IndianaJones]

43. Hank Aaron used performance enhancing drugs. nt.

[MadHound]

51. Really, got any proof for that?

The only thing that I've seen that even barely hints that Aaron used performance enhancing drugs comes from an interview with a teammate of Aaron's, relief pitcher Tom House who admits to using them himself and then goes on to imply unnamed teammates used them too. No names, no direct evidence, nothing. Oh, I do remember a few accusations at the time, but you know who those were coming from? Racist assholes who knew nothing, but were pissed that a black man was beating out Ruth's record and were determined to bring Aaron's reputation down by any means possible, including lying their ass off and even sending in death threats.

By the by, unlike Bonds' career record, Aaron's took a natural statistical course, hitting better in the first half of his career when he was younger, and tapering off as he grew older. Bonds' career on the other hand saw his hitting take off in the second half of his career, better than what he was doing in the first half, defying the natural process of aging. Funny how his hitting improved about the same time his body started swelling up to gargantuan proportions, I wonder why:think::eyes:

[IndianaJones]

53. his book....and you might want to look at the tail end of his career...

when himself and a couple of teammates had a little spike in home runs.

[MadHound]

56. Ah yes, those infamous "greenies"

Low level amphetamine, pep pills that didn't add muscle bulk to your body(unlike steroids or HGH which is the issue with Bonds), which Aaron used for only one year, 1968(unlike Bonds, who has obviously been juicing for around a decade) and which decrease your concentration(which might explain why Aaron's homers were actually down for 1968(29 HRs for 1968 as opposed to 39 in '67 and 44 in '69). Oh, and what little "spike" are you talking about? That last three years of his career saw him hit 20, 12, and 10 home runs for the last three years of his career. Doesn't sound like a "spike" to me. Oh, one other thing, unlike Bonds and his juicing, the one season that Aaron used greenies, it wasn't against MLB rules(and that didn't change until the late seventies). Steroids and HGH have been illegal in the sport since Bonds started using them.

Sorry, but you're reaching here. Really, really reaching.

[IndianaJones]

58. Aaron hit 40 home runs at the age of 40. nt.

[MadHound]

60. Ah yes, the era when there was a boom in expansion teams.

And also, he hit thirty and forty plus home runs in the years before that. Not a spike of any kind. Oh, and again, unlike Bonds, he wasn't juicing, or lying to grand juries either.

Give it up, you're not proving a damn thing except how much of a desperate fanboy you are, trying to find any excuse to exonerate your hero.

[IndianaJones]

61. interesting excuse....2 of Aarons teammates in '73 hit over 40 home runs as well.

Around the same time as a congressional hearing into performance enhancing drugs. Mysteriously, their stats went down significantly the next season.

Bonds haters are funny.

[MadHound]

67. So you're saying that since Aaron and two of his teammates hit forty HRs in the same year

That they all must have been using some sort of performance enhancing drug? Wow, again, you have no proof of this, no evidence, nada. You're just grasping for anything to put Bonds in a better light.

Well then let's grab this bull by the horns. Let's say that somehow, some way, irrefutable evidence turns up that Aaron was indeed pumping himself with enough steroids to kill a bull elephant. Let's say that he was popping enough greenies to power up a city block. Does that lessen the crime that Bonds has committed? Does that somehow excuse the fact that Bonds, under a bargain for immunity, lied under oath and obstructed justice, that he committed major felonies? No, it doesn't. Even if Aaron did all of these things that I'm hypothesizing, it still doesn't lessen the fact that Barry Bonds committed serious felonies. If you think that it does, then your since of ethics and morals is fucked up beyond all recognition.

But Aaron didn't use steroids, Aaron only used pills for that one year. And in comparison with Aaron, Bonds doesn't look like a hero or a superstar. He looks like a doped up athlete he cheated his way to fame and who committed major felonies to try and cover his ass. In another words, he looks like any other criminal loser. Some hero you're worshiping there pal.

[IndianaJones]

69. So, in other words, you hate Bonds. nt.

[MadHound]

70. LOL, how very typical

You are confronted with the reality of Bonds criminal deeds, and all you can come up with is that I hate Bonds:rofl: How sad, how typical, how fucking pathetic.

Let me ask you this, why are you so adamantly defending a man who has lied, cheated and committed crimes to get where he is? Why are you such a fanboy? Are you normally big fans of criminals? If so, why not go down to your local courthouse and defend the criminals there? Oh, I get it, Bonds is a superstar criminal, somebody whom you've invested your heart and soul into, and now that your trust has been betrayed by Bonds, you are in a state of denial. Well pal, you might as well get used to it, Bonds is a cheat and a crook.

I was in the same situation as you a few years back. I'm a Cardinals fan, have been since the days of Brock and Gibson. When McGwire made his run at the single season record, I was ecstatic, a Cardinal was going to hold this precious record. When he broke Maris' record and kept going, I was out of my mind. Then these rumors started, that McGwire was using andro, that he had cheated to get this record. At first I denied it, I thought, much like you do now, that it was just a bunch of sour grapes. Then, I caught McGwire on television, a few years after he retired. And I knew, I knew that those accusations were true, that the man had cheated. His once bulging frame was a shadow of its former self, he looked like a kid inside McGwire's body.

So I came to acceptance. I realized that, shamefully, McGwire had cheated while in the uniform of the Cardinals, and for this, I couldn't forgive him. Luckily, the Cardinals have taken that sour taste away by being the underdog winners of the '06 series.

You too will go through these stages. However given how great a state of denial you're in, your fall is going to be greater, and more painful. But at some point, whether it is when Bonds is found guilty, or when you see how much he shrinks after retirement, you will finally come to accept the fact that yes, Bonds is a liar, and a cheater. Good luck with that, and remember, always put the good of your team before the good of a player. And hey, maybe the Giants will win the series so that too can help ease the sting.

But frankly, the quicker you get to that point, the better for you it will be.

[Frank Cannon]

36. The entire sport of baseball needs an * next to it

As does every other professional sport. Trying to keep drugs out of sports is apparently as promising an undertaking as keeping drugs off the streets. Who knew.

Maybe one day, when it's simply acknowledged and accepted that every player is using some sort of artificial enhancement to try to reach the limits of performance, people will finally think about the absurdity of paying someone tens of millions of dollars to hit a ball with a bat.

[jacksonian]

37. and trying to stop it with legal persecution

makes as much sense as our fantastically successful war on drugs.

You are falling for Republican hype in believing drugs have anything to do with baseball performance. The truth is there are many reasons for the increase in homers in baseball, and with the advent of testing and social controls on the players, nothing has changed, balls still fly out of parks in huge numbers.

It is all a sham. Nobody who has studied the effects of drugs on baseball has found any real effect. Hitting homers is mostly the result of making contact - nearly every major league swing is fast enough to hit a homer, it is solid contact with pitches that does it, and drugs don't help you make contact.

The report I read today in the Chicago Tribune stated home runs have fallen dramatically since testing began. That is a lie, an outright lie. Why are they lying?

[MadHound]

39. LOL you have no clue about the effects of steroids,

Either that or you're simply another fanboy trying to defend the indefensible. Muscle mass means that you drive the ball further, swing the bat faster, run quicker, etc. etc. It is fucking cheating.

But that's not what Bonds is being charged with now, is it. No, he is being charged with perjury, lying his ass off to the grand jury, while he had immunity even! And by those lies, he obstructed justice, which is another charge against him. Felonies my friend, felonies. What, you think that he should be able to commit criminal acts and get away with them, just because he's some sort of sports hero? Mmmm, nothing like hypocrisy in the morning.

Look, I'm sorry that you're main man has let you down. I'm sorry that he is, apparently a cheater and a liar, and perhaps fairly soon, a convict. But frankly, it is time for you to be honest with yourself and realize that the person that you're defending is all of the above. Besides, do you honestly think that Bonds would defend you as much as you're defending him? After all, he let one of his best friends rot in jail for a year because his friend went to bat for him. Yet Bonds just let him fucking rot in prison, hell of payback for Anderson's loyalty.

Hell of a sports idol you've got there, a cheater and a liar who will cut you loose to save his own neck. Yeah baby, hell of man ol' Barry is:eyes:

[jacksonian]

45. no, you read the papers too much

and fail to notice the lack of real scientific evidence.

The truth of the matter is that nearly every swing in ML baseball is fast enough to hit a home run IF CONTACT IS PROPERLY MADE. Increased muscle mass has a very indirect effect on bat speed, which is the only aspect of home run hitting controlled by exercise. The largest component of hitting for power comes from pitch recognition, none of which has twit to do with steriods.

Now if we were talking about an activity where body size, weight, and foot-pounds of strength where the important factors, ie, like being on an offensive line in football, you would have a point. But baseball doesn't work that way. The biggest and the strongest are not necessarily the best baseball players.

All of which convinces me that the people who want to convict for this nothing are the real cheats. You will never consider the real facts in this affair. You want to hate and now you got your opportunity, go for it - I certainly will never stop you. For the record I have no love for Bonds - but I see a railroading when it's in front of me, and that's a real cheat of out legal system.

I know too much about the physics of baseball to fooled by these rather emotional arguments.

[MadHound]

52. You may know something about the physics of baseball,

But you know absolutely nothing about the physics of the human body, and human musculature. Frankly, if strength had so little to do with hitting homers as you claim, then we would have twelve year olds, with their sharp eyes and quick reflexes, knocking them out of the pro parks with ease. Instead, we see in little league and into high school how the wall is pulled in to allow for these people with juvenile muscle structures to still hit one out of the park.

Sorry, but your assertion goes against the very physiological logistics of the human body and how it works. But I suppose some people will go to any lengths, deny any logic in order to protect their hero.

But hey, you're missing a huge point here, Bonds isn't being indicted for steroid use. He is being indicted for lying to a grand jury, and obstructing justice. He had been granted immunity for his testimony, yet he lied anyway. Nobody railroaded him on that, he opened his mouth and did it all on his own. What excuse do you have for that?

[BushOut06]

38. Another successful black athlete/entertainer being targeted for destruction

It's really hard to look at this without a skeptical eye. The past dozen years or so, there has been an assault on successful black athletes and entertainers. OJ, Kobe Bryant, Wesley Snipes, Michael Jackson, Michael Vick, Barry Bonds, etc.

Maybe some of these guys are complete assholes, and shouldn't be considered role models. And it's not merely the legal accusations against these people; rather, it's the furor that gets whipped up in the media, bringing all the closet racists to the surface. These cases make for excellent talk-show fodder, as people are all-too-willing to forego any assumption of innocence.

[MadHound]

40. So what are you saying?

That we shouldn't prosecute black athletes, no matter their crime, simply because they're black? Wow, what hypocrisy.

Oh, and if I remember right, OJ got off basically because of the fuck up of a racist cop. A killer walked free. Kobe got off also, as did Michael Jackson, who should probably be in jail for child molestation and abuse. Mmm-hmm, gotta love all that money to buy a special form of justice that isn't available to you or me, the kind that let's you get off scot free, even for the most heinous of crimes. Yes, yes, must suck to be a rich man, with access to the rich man's justice.

Bonds wouldn't be facing this mess if he had did one thing, tell the fucking truth. He had immunity, he wouldn't have been charged for any truth he spoke in front of that grand jury. Instead, he lied and obstructed justice. Oh, and he let his friend rot in jail for a year because Anderson went to bat for him. Nice guy that Barry.

Sorry, but this isn't about race, it's about justice. Now we get to see the spectacle of Barry getting that rich man's justice. Yeah, wish I could get some of that.

[BushOut06]

44. It's about presumption of innocence

Why is it that there is such a rush to convict people? It seems to me, at least in the popular media, that there seems to be a presumption of guilt especially when it comes to black celebrities.

[jzodda]

46. Thats a legal standard and only applies in a court-room not in the court of public opinion

Life is not a courtroom and does not use the federal rules of evidence. The presumption of innocence is a legal standard and you can't expect the population to not make determinations on their own about what they believe in regards to an individual. People get convicted in the court of "life" all time time, and they don't have to be celebs either. As far as I am concerned Bonds is not only a bum, he is guilty as all hell. I read game of shadows and so I had a feeling this was coming for a long time.

As to race, I don't see the connection in this case. Its not the race, its the records. If Bonds were just some average ballplayer this would not even be a story but he is the record breaker and so its meaningful to the entire sport what he does and has done in the past. It would the same no matter what color his skin was. It does not help that Bonds has always been a pretty nasty guy, which just adds to the overall delight among media members who he has treated like garbage throughout his career.

[BushOut06]

48. Sorry, but I do see a difference - maybe not on this board, but it general public opinion

Like I said, some of these guys may be genuine assholes. Some of them may even be guilty, I don't know.

However, it does seem that in the "court of public opinion", black defendants are more apt to be presumed guilty than white defendants. A classic example would be the Duke lacrosse players. I remember listening to talk-shows at the time, and the overwhelming attitude was that these kids were innocent, and were getting a raw deal. Yet anytime there is a story about a black athlete, they're quick to pass judgment. For example, there was a case where a black University of Florida football player was recently arrested for breaking into an impound yard to retrieve his girlfriend's car. The state attorney's office dropped the charges against the kid, but we still had people calling into local talk shows demanding this kid be kicked off the team, thrown in jail, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[JeanGrey]

55. "Some" of them may be guilty, and you "don't know?"

Wow.

[BushOut06]

64. Is there a problem with that statement?

Yes, some of they "may" have been guilty. And yes, I don't know. Do you? Can you honestly look at a person and tell if they are guilty or not? I never said some of them WERE guilty.

[JeanGrey]

71. You bet there is a problem with it.

Some of them may even be guilty, I don't know - that was your statement. Mike Vick isn't guilty? O.J. Simpson isn't guilty? I'm sorry but you are playing the race card with saying "blacks" are being targeted. That is nonsense.

[jzodda]

42. LMAO The person who targeted bonds was himself and his trainers (and his needles)

Nah Bond's neck size and overall mass didn't just double overnight, his trainer is not sitting in jail refusing to testify. He could not have lied to the grand jury, its all made up. He could never have known what he was ingesting into his body since people who make $15 million a year making a living off their body and physical conditioning don't care or pay attention to what they take right? "Game of Shadows" a book that names names, dates, places and times could not be correct-since they are out to get Bonds right?

Poor Barry getting railroaded, I feel so bad for him!

[IndianaJones]

41. Praise the Justice Dept., they certainly get it right when it comes to african american athletes...

don't they?

[LanternWaste]

50. And cheats, too...

And cheats, too...

[sasquatch]

73. I call bullshit

[Bo]

54. ...they are not even saying how much this investigation cost !..another waste

...with so many problems we face why do we keep throwing money down the toilet on a 4 year investigation that no one cares about?

[IndianaJones]

59. lots of white people are outraged. money is no object. nt.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

62. I just dont get this one

I love BB but I just dont see the point of all the attention this is getting? like we dont have more serious issues, as a people, to address?

[CookCountyResident]

65. Professional sports in general

get WAY too much airtime. And kids then think these guys are "heros". I don't get it either.

[ryanmuegge]

63. Fuck all of this fake "moral outrage" about Bonds and 'roids.

This isn't so much about the act itself, as everybody claims it to be. This is primarily about Bonds' personality. People think he's a dick, so they hide behind the steroids and talk about how it "soils the reputation of the game" and shit, rather than just being honest and saying, "hey, the guy's an asshole, and I'm glad to see him get busted."

There's a lot of money at stake, and it should not be surprising that professional athletes will do whatever they can to get an edge. Everybody else would do the exact same thing when millions of dollars are at stake. The guy was an awesome baseball player before he started taking steroids, and anybody who says otherwise isn't being honest with themselves.

Besides, we're talking about a guy who just took some steroids to give himself a negligible boost in hitting power. He did not kill your puppy, rape your kid, or fuck with your pension.

[allisonthegreat]

68. Do you think he will use steroids again? n/t