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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:38 AM
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Source: the hill



http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/terrorists-are-runn...

By Mike Soraghan
November 06, 2007



If violence is decreasing in Iraq, it may be because insurgents are running out of people to kill, House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) said Monday.
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Obey was responding to a question about reports touted by Republicans that security is improving in Iraq and that President Bushs surge strategy is working. He stressed that military success has not led to political reconciliation.........

As the Houses top appropriator, Obey has his hands on the nations purse strings, giving him a significant say on the war in Iraq.

In his speech Monday, he stuck by his pledge not to approve any more money for the war until President Bush changes course on Iraq. He also offered a spirited defense of a new surtax to pay for the Iraq war, admitting that he knew it wouldnt pass when he offered his support for the plan. But he said it highlighted the fact that Bush has loaded the cost of the war onto the national debt while pushing tax cuts tilted to the wealthy.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/terrorists-are-runn...
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galileo3000 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:43 AM
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1. This seems like a very strange comment.
I'm not smart enough to understand the intent of this one.
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baseballhead Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:21 AM
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2. It seems like a stupid comment
to make since plenty of people are dying over there every day.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:23 AM
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3. I think he's implying that the ethnic cleansing has largely run its course
For example, Baghdad is now something like 75% Shi'a, when before it was closer to 50-50 -- one estimate I read recently said 65% Sunni.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:32 AM
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4. That's how I would take it
Knowing Obey.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:34 AM
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5. i love Obey.
and he's from my state!
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:36 AM
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7. I hate Obey
Anyone who would say: "If violence is decreasing in Iraq, it may be because insurgents are running out of people to kill, is a monster.
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WilyWondr Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:41 PM
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11. I suppose you prefer the questioner's statement?
"that President Bushs surge strategy is working."

The questioner implied that the reason for the downturn in killings has been the "surge". Obey was responded with another possible reason for the downturn in killings may be a lack of "targets of opportunity".

Why do you think there has been a downturn in the killings in Iraq? Do you think the millions of people that have already left Iraq due to the violence would not have been the targets of violence had they stayed?
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:35 AM
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6. Wow.
I heard a sound-bite of this earlier, and it sounds factually dumb on Rep. Obey's part. Over 20 million people live and die in Iraq, as they have for many thousands of years.
Maybe Obey cranked up "Blackened" by Metallica one too many times!
It sounds like a pretty ignorant and ill-informed statement to me.
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:41 AM
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8. Context is good too;
Obey was responding to a question about reports touted by Republicans that security is improving in Iraq and that President Bushs surge strategy is working. He stressed that military success has not led to political reconciliation.

The issue has never been military, Obey said. The issue has always been political improvement.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:23 PM
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9. Obey is a complete idiot!
The British press is reporting that violence on civilians in Iraq remains unabated.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:26 PM
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10. Then the British press are the idiots
Iraqi civilian deaths are way down.

http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeathsByYear.aspx
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:09 PM
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12. icasualties.org undercounts civilian casualties, and they acknowledge that
There have been two Lancet reports and a Chatham House report showing that violence against civilians in Iraq continues unabated.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:55 PM
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16. The last Lancet report is more than a year old
I'll have to look for the date of the Chatham House report you're referring to.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:11 PM
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13. I'd like to find one graph about how many civilians flew (or walked) away.
I heard millions refugees (barely surviving in the desert sands beyond the borders).

Neat. Everythin's fine now for the fascists enablers... :sarcasm:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:12 PM
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14. Who's an idiot?
You should be at least as circumspect as the site you cite:

"This is not a complete list, nor can we verify these totals. This is simply a compilation of deaths reported by news agencies. Actual totals for Iraqi deaths are much higher than the numbers recorded on this site."
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 05:56 PM
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17. Even if they are higher than what is on the web site
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 05:56 PM by Tempest
The number reported by ALL agencies show they are declining.

Are you claiming all the reporting agencies are wrong?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:25 PM
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18. Who are the reporting agencies?
Name them, please.
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:50 PM
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15. Terrorists will always find civilians to murder
You can see it on a daily basis in Iraq:

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/1012/bre...

US airstrike kills 15 Iraqi civilians

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