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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:09 AM
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Leak Severed a Link to Al-Qaeda's Secrets (by White House)
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 01:11 AM by RamboLiberal
Source: Washington Post

A small private intelligence company that monitors Islamic terrorist groups obtained a new Osama bin Laden video ahead of its official release last month, and around 10 a.m. on Sept. 7, it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release.

Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's Web site. By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide.

The founder of the company, the SITE Intelligence Group, says this premature disclosure tipped al-Qaeda to a security breach and destroyed a years-long surveillance operation that the company has used to intercept and pass along secret messages, videos and advance warnings of suicide bombings from the terrorist group's communications network.

"Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless," said Rita Katz, the firm's 44-year-old founder, who has garnered wide attention by publicizing statements and videos from extremist chat rooms and Web sites, while attracting controversy over the secrecy of SITE's methodology. Her firm provides intelligence about terrorist groups to a wide range of paying clients, including private firms and military and intelligence agencies from the United States and several other countries.

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By midafternoon, several television news networks reported obtaining copies of the transcript. A copy posted around 3 p.m. on Fox News's Web site referred to SITE and included page markers identical to those used by the group. "This confirms that the U.S. government was responsible for the leak of this document," Katz wrote in an e-mail to Leiter at 5 p.m.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...



:rofl: Fools! And lookee who got it first - Faux News!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:12 AM
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1. And they claim to be good on national security?
It seems there's just one mistake after another.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:16 AM
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2. more georgie's
midass touch.
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:40 AM
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21. Ah, once again we see the hand of the Antimatter Midas at work!
Everything he touches turns to shit.

mikey_the_rat
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:17 AM
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3. More Kabuki to re-inforce the notion that that WAS Bin Laden
Fie on it.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:35 AM
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19. yup
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:11 PM
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65. Note to self: If government releases an image of
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 02:12 PM by truedelphi
An Al Queda Boogeyman that doesn't even look like the Boogeyman in
question, rather than let us all relax, they will spook up this notion that


<Gasp The security around this White House is so shaky - horrors! the images of Bin Boogeyman were released prior to official approval - run for your lives!>

We saw this Black Flag Op Shit before, back when we saw Condi Rice saying they had no pre-911 intelligence - and then wehen she was FORCED by the 911 commission to reveal the early August '01 Intelligence report, <gasp and double gasp> Along came her shaking hands with the report that Bin Laden planned on flying planes into the major Amerrican skyscrapers.

Black flag ops work real well on the sheeple here at home.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:43 PM
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70. SITE
Sounds like the CIA's favorite newspaper, with an assist from the dubious source SITE, is reminding us to always fear the Boogie Man :scared:

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."~ William Colby
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:49 PM
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71. SITE Update
UPDATE: including more stuff on SITE

Attytood: Betrayal: How Bush's Iraq politics ruined our spying on bin Laden

Buzzflash has a different take
Bizarre, Bizarre Bushevik Relationship with an "Anti-Terrorist" Organization Called "SITE" That We've Been Meaning to Write a News Analysis About. Okay, This Group Called "SITE" is Allegedly Finding Stuff Out About Al-Qaeda Before the Bush Administration, Such as the Alleged Latest Osama Tape with the Photo-Shopped Beard. Now, the Woman Who Runs It -- Who Allegedly is Paid a Large Consulting Fee by The White House -- is Accusing the Bush Administration of Destroying Her "Sources" for Finding Out Things About the "Terrorists" That the Bush Administration Doesn't Know.

So, She Goes to the Washington Post Complaining that the Bush Administration is Undercutting the War on Terrorism, In Essence, by Leaking the Alleged Osama Tape Too Early After She Sent it To Them. Our Question is Why is this Small Private Organization Called "SITE" Allegedly Beating Our Intelligence Agencies to Information About Osama? Why Isn't the CIA The WH Source? Uh, This is Mind Boggling. And She Regularly Appears to be Supplying the Busheviks with "Secret" Information.

This is THE Story that the WP Should be Investigating, Not Her Strange Whining to Them. What the Heck is "SITE" Doing Being Several Steps Ahead of the Combined Department of Homeland Security Intelligence Operation? Or are They Just a WH Propaganda Plant? A Very Strange Story Indeed. 10/9
BuzzFlash - Daily Headlines and Breaking News | Progressive News and Commentary with an Attitude


CRIMES AND CORRUPTION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS: Rita Katz, SITE and Bin Laden

The Common Ills: NYT: SITE gives Dexy translations, he gives them play -- None dare call it reporting
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:24 PM
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73. Thanks for the MEMRI
SITE - DEBKAfile - MEMRI

Selective Memri | World dispatch | Guardian Unlimited

MEMRI Loss

As we have known for some time now, MEMRI, short for the Middle East Media Research Institute, specializes in disinformation by distorting translations of film and print media stories originating in Arabic, Iranian and Turkish media. In essence, what MEMRI does is change the context of news stories by way of mistranslation and excision. Call it MEMRI loss, the deliberate mangling of media. MEMRI did this to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by turning a speech he delivered in 2005 into a racist and genocidal screed. MEMRI accomplished this through mistranslation. Not a day passes now we do not witness corporate media claims Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map. In fact, Ahmadinejad said the regime that is occupying Qods must be eliminated from the pages of history. He did not say Israel must be wiped off the map. But this engineered lie is repeated constantly by the corporate media and to such a degree it is now accepted as fact.

9/11: An Inside Job in the White House? (MEMRI plays the "limited hangout" game)
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DrBlix Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:36 PM
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84. Very strange story indeed
SITE and an Israeli intelligence front operation in Washington, MEMRI (the Middle East Media Research Institute), are closely linked.
.
MEMRI has been responsible for mis-translating several speeches made by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.
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SITE's director is Rita Katz, an Iraq-born Jew who moved to Israel after her father was executed by Saddam Hussein's government for spying for the Mossad.
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She emigrated to the United States from Israel in 1997.
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Katz worked for the US Treasury Department in its pursuit of Muslim charity funds in the United States in Operation Green Quest and as a consultant for the FBI.
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The main coordinator for Green Quest was the then-head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division, Michael Chertoff.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:42 PM
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92. That's very good
I wondered who made the Bin Laden tapes- I assumed it was Faux Noise Studios since they put forward Jack Bauer, Heroic Torturer at the suggestion of the CIA.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:23 AM
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4. Like for when of the Terra alerts before the 04 election they leaked that Pakistan had
captured an Al Qaeda computer guy who was then cooperating with ISI. The guy was immediately cut off and the highest level turn coat was exposed in the name of politics.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:26 AM
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5. ooops...sorry we leaked your fake movie. n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:30 AM
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6. Another act of this despicable administration that harms not only our current
intelligence, but adds more wreckage the next administration will have to clean up. Thank you again, sir.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:30 AM
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7. What incompetent assholes!
No matter the actual facts in the story, no matter how it unfolded, this administration has to be the ablolute worst in history, on any scale.

Hope this story gets picked up and blasted from the rooftops---sigh, like that'll happen.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:42 AM
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41. If it does
it will be written off as liberal propaganda, they (Reich) haven't spent all those years denigrating the left for nothing.
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micraphone Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:10 AM
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8. Whatif the leak was sanctioned
from the TOP? Ergo SITE is blown.

They don't/won't employ anyone loyal to *, obviously.

They destroy anything they can't control.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:26 AM
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45. The leak was probably done to divert attention from the flood of
bad news. Little or no thought is ever given to long term damage. That was quite clear in the Plame leak.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:13 PM
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66. Yes. Both leaks have about the same flavor, don't they?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:35 PM
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67. Feces?
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Yes, of the bovine variety.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:50 PM
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72. Exactly
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:01 AM
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9. bush is still the same fratboy-prankster that he always was.
The untrustworthy bushco cabal will make enemies of every single friend of the US, including our most vital contacts.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:38 AM
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10. Caca eaters!
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:56 AM
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11. Katz should name the 2 senior WH contacts. Who do YOU suppose they are?
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:31 AM
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18. I think they are referring to Fred Fielding and Joel Bagnal
She spoke first with White House counsel Fred F. Fielding, whom she had previously met, and then with Joel Bagnal, deputy assistant to the president for homeland security. Both expressed interest in obtaining a copy, and Bagnal suggested that she send a copy to Michael Leiter, who holds the No. 2 job at the National Counterterrorism Center.

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:18 AM
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12. line up! Who did it! My stepdad'a favorite saying when us girls had done something wrong
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 05:19 AM by notadmblnd
and we knew a whipping was coming. He took us by the arm and went down the line with a belt till one of us confessed to the deed. I think it's what needs to be done here.

from the article:
She spoke first with White House counsel Fred F. Fielding, whom she had previously met, and then with Joel Bagnal, deputy assistant to the president for homeland security. Both expressed interest in obtaining a copy, and Bagnal suggested that she send a copy to Michael Leiter, who holds the No. 2 job at the National Counterterrorism Center.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:50 AM
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49. My dear, they leaked it intentionally
If Linda Tripp (WH secretary w/ Delta Force ties) and Clinton's own taped/eavesdropped WH phone conversations w/Monica were leaked to GOPers, just think of the fun n games they're (NSA, DIA, CIA et al) having with the M/I complex's need for war and Iraq.

DoD wanted this since the Nixon era early '70s,
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/200...

and OBL is a front FOR this activity. Real jihadis or phony jihadis is the legitimate question.
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:05 PM
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53. agreed n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:02 AM
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13. Another bogus ploy to rehabilitate a bogus tape.
SITE probably registered onto a phony AlQ site run by US military intelligence.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:31 AM
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17. Sorta like newcomer to the CIA, Casey, falling for the CIA's own black ops.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #17
25. This administration is noted for floating propaganda
then then referencing their own propaganda as fact.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:52 AM
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50. You meant 'catapulting' the propaganda
Bush: "You Have To Keep Repeating Things To Catapult The Propaganda"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2005/260505newb...
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:30 AM
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14. 
Source: Washington Post / MSNBC

Leak severs link to al-Qaedas secrets
Firm says Bush administrations handling of video ruined its spying efforts
By Joby Warrick - Washington Post 10/9/07

A small private intelligence company that monitors Islamic terrorist groups obtained a new Osama bin Laden video ahead of its official release last month, and around 10 a.m. on Sept. 7, it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release.

Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's Web site. By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide.

The founder of the company, the SITE Intelligence Group, says this premature disclosure tipped al-Qaeda to a security breach and destroyed a years-long surveillance operation that the company has used to intercept and pass along secret messages, videos and advance warnings of suicide bombings from the terrorist group's communications network.




Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21186181 /



More proof of this misadministration's incompetence and gross negligence.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:30 AM
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15. This can't be true. The video was thouroughly debunked by hundreds of people here.
How could all of those video experts be wrong?
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:16 AM
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37. Hmm--Neocons promise not to leak--leak anyway
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 09:18 AM by kingofalldems
Your response---trash DUers.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #37
43. Yep, ripping tinfoil off of heads could be a fulltime job.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:17 PM
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54. This proves nothing, if anything, it proves that the Fake Video came from Al Queda...
...and not the U.S. Government, but it's still a FAKE VIDEO!

If I was a true Aluminum Foil Hat wearer I might also suggest that this Report of this blown leak was also bogus, which would show a way that the U.S. Government is trying to confuse the pseudo-investigative reporters/bloggers in to thinking that the fake video DID come from Al Quida and NOT the U.S. Government or U.S. Government Contractors here, setting up a a back story.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. Yeah, wasn't there a big funeral ceremony for bin Ladin a ways back...

in Pakistan, then this news later got covered up?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #54
94. We still don't know where it came from
Comments by Arabic speakers about this and other tapes sounding like they were written first in English and then translated into Arabic make me wonder why Al Qaeda would go that route.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:28 AM
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95. That's interesting. I'd personally love to know where the "As-Sahab Media" production facility is...
...because, the real tapes they produce are very sharp and clean and look like they are produced at a very "high-end" production house. Find that production facility and you will probably unravel major portions of the mystery. My guess is Qatar.

Here's a link to down-loadable copies of some of the real Al-Quida videos at the Internet Movie Database, so people here can see what I mean:

<http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22As... >
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:59 PM
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80. What does this story have to do with the actual veracity of the video?
Leaked videos can be leaked as easily as genuine ones. The fact that the administration leaked a video does nothing to imply that it is genuine. Quite the opposite, in our experience. The faker something is, the more likely it will be leaked. See: Rather-gate.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #80
86. It is only a leak if the rest of the story is correct.
The entire story as about the leaking of a video that undermined the efforts and methods of a private company that had a backdoor to a secretive network of websites. If this isn't true, there is no story because the veracity of the initial claim has been challenged.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:54 PM
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93. That is faulty logic. A leak is a leak.
This private company may or may not have obtained a genuine tape from genuine channels. We don't have enough information to verify that or not. However, the sources accuse the Bush administration of disregarding a promise to keep the video's existence a secret. That's the story.

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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Hmmm... Sounds like "I'm not happy with the money we are getting to produce bin Laden videos."
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:37 AM
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32. Yep.
n/t
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:36 AM
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20. This made it to my local radio station
WTIC AM 1080 in Hartford, CT - a 50,000 watt station and home to the Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity shows.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:02 AM
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27. That should send up a red flag.
We need more laws to combat leaks.

Some bushbot will float a bill soon.
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:50 AM
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22. Fearless Leader Bush: "I don't remember, I don't Know Nuttin....!!".
:nuke:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:55 AM
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23. I don't believe this
More spin now that no one but their base even believes that there are tapes from Bin Laden. That False News received this talking point first is no surprise.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:58 AM
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24. The question unasked . . .
Why didn't the administration's crack homeland security people find this first? What are we spending all those billions for, if not to get the absolute best intelligence? Or are we in such a hall of mirrors that this is some desperate attempt to provide some legitimacy (even while making the administration look bad) to the bogus bin Laden tape?
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Summer93 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #24
40. Hammer hits nail
You've got it! If all this sureillence is so superior why didn't they already have it?
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:01 AM
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26. Didn't the govt also push for premature arrests of some British "terrorists"
that, in effect, compromised the British surveillance of the group.
I beleie it was either to distract from some BushCo scandal or it was just before the election.
More saber-rattling incompetence on the part of the mental midgets in this administration.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:12 AM
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28. No sympathy.
Who on earth would invest 5 years in an OBL intelligence operation and then trust a desperate Bushco to keep it secret? This "intelligence" company is the victim of its own ignorance.

Or, alternatively, they invented this blame Bush scheme as an excuse for paltry results despite a bloated gov't contract.

:shrug:
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Andy Canuck Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:15 AM
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29. Its time to use FISA on the White House
to find out what they are really doing! Or at the very least find out who the treasonous terrorist is who leaked the information.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:18 AM
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30. I'm sure Rush and O'Reilly will lead with this so the Responsibility Prez can be held responsible.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:27 AM
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31. Of course they destroyed the surveillance operation,
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 08:39 AM by kokono
Why would the white house want the fake video company traced to it's source.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:38 AM
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33. Yet another treasonous act..
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:54 AM
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34. Wonder if they have secret links to production companies too?
Unpublished headline: Fielding to secure secret out-of-court settlement for leak??? Blames Iranian hackers!

What delicious BS passes for authentic news, huh??? Who's on Your Network...LOL
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:05 AM
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35. Bush doesn't want to catch Osama bin Laden because then they will have to leave.
They need him and al-Qaeda so they have the excuse to continue to occupy Arab lands so they can take the oil.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:54 AM
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51. See post 49
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:08 AM
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36. Now I want to see this on the evening news.
I want it on the big three networks and CNN and FOX as well as on Countdown, where I'm pretty sure it will appear. And I want key Senators as well as the presidential candidates to say something in the media. There is no excuse for compromising national security. None.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:38 AM
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38. ..No matter who is playing what games with whom, you don't throw Fred
Fielding's name around whether trick or fact? Strange. Unless he's doing more on the spy side in addition to providing legal counsel, why would he be involved in taking a call from SITE? Is he in on the ME spy operation? How many independent U.S. spy companies are there? It would seem that this WH would want control on spying? Sounds as though the spying is electronic? The WH allows independent electronic spying that is completely (or somewhat) out of their control? What does SITE do with all their information - feed it to the WH, but without leaks ... until now? Why go to the press?

Is this a CIA, DIA, ICE, State Dept out-sourced company?

Smelly.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:04 AM
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39. Hmmm, the public didn't buy the tape as being real so, now,
there is this pathetic attempt to clean up SITE's reputation. This stinks of more propaganda, imo.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:48 AM
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42. It's clearly Bill Clinton's fault
I'm not sure about the gory details, but rest assured that Sean Hannity and Anne Coulter will be shedding light on this latest liberal abomination.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:09 AM
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44. Wreckin'
er, Reckon there'll be a "RUSH" to judgement on this??? Friggin' Dillweed Dolts!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:29 AM
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46. Agree they are fools and one must ask the obvious ?
They wanted to destroy this Site intelligence group

and they did
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:44 AM
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48. real good question
i looked through the site and read a bit about the woman behind this..there`s a long list of characters who`d want this site ruined..maybe someone was getting to close to the real truth about our dealings in the middle east and central asia. remember central asia and the war in the middle east are linked together
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:41 AM
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47. Page 410 Body of Secrets by James Bamford shows NSA being loose wOBL phone
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 11:43 AM by EVDebs
By trying to impress visitors,

(paperback) "To impress cleared visitors, NSA analysts occasionally play audiotapes of Bin Laden talking to his mother over an INMARSAT connection."

If they're doing this on a regular basis, and guys like Sen Shelby leak NSA info to CNN and Fox Snooze, what is the general public left to believe ? They aren't taking security clearly seriously enough...therefore, is this what they WANT to have leaked ? Por que ?

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:55 AM
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52. Let's face facts (Especially, our lurker buddies), The Bush Admin is a gaggle of traitors
Is there length that they will not got to hurt this country?

I mean really.

They're handed lead against someone who attacked OUR COUNTRY and then they promptly destroy its usefulness.

These people are simply the worse people ever to run the government.

If they were in charge 60 years ago, everybody on the East Coast would be speaking German, on the West Coast speaking Japanese and we'd have concentration camps in between.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:19 PM
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55. We're talking about the fake video I presume.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:32 PM
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57. No reason for the fake producers to be SITE
They MAY be trying to do their job and defend this country, but the videos that they "discover" are planted for them to discover. Planted so the info could be leaked if/as needed. Indignant, they cry, "You're blowing our cover!" The WH chuckles, knowing SITE is just a tool in the political operation they like to call "The Global War on Terror." SITE doesn't know the GWOT is produced in some guy's basement; the WH wouldn't *want* them to know, to help ensure deniability.

Who knows; maybe SITE was getting close to figuring out that their "source" was feeding them stuff that came from a basement in New Jersey instead of a hideout in Pakistan. Now that that "source" has had their "cover" "blown," SITE won't be surprised that they won't get more videos from them. Later, some other contractor will start getting videos from a "different" "source"--right on time and really reliable.

OBL is such a really useful engine!

:eyes:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:24 PM
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56. We all know the video was a fake. What if the administration wanted to end this "small private"
investigation company's snooping into terror? They'd simply leak information about the video and then have their psy-ops fake al-queasy sources pretend to cut off ties and eliminate the snooping problem. Basically, the risk the administration/cia runs is that an external "private investigator" could easily uncover that there is no al queasy and it's all be fabricated by our own people to keep this war going at a rate of billion$ a week, to continue bush/cheney's world domination plan of stealing the US Treasury blind.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:33 PM
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58. leaked from within the Bush administration
The founder of the company, the SITE Intelligence Group, says this premature disclosure tipped al-Qaeda to a security breach and destroyed a years-long surveillance operation that the company has used to intercept and pass along secret messages, videos and advance warnings of suicide bombings from the terrorist group's communications network.

TREASON
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:35 PM
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59. Well there you go
Katz tried to collaborate with the White House and her company gets burned, so badly that it could take years to recover and the world is less safe. Why don't people learn that this is an evil, incompetent, megalomania-cal administration. Just like Brewster Jennings they don't care what they destroy with their self-serving politics.
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DrBlix Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:41 PM
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87. Rita Katz
Wonder if KO will air this part of this story, CNN didn't.
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SITE and an Israeli intelligence front operation in Washington, MEMRI (the Middle East Media Research Institute), are closely linked.
.
MEMRI has been responsible for mis-translating several speeches made by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.
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SITE's director is Rita Katz, an Iraq-born Jew who moved to Israel after her father was executed by Saddam Hussein's government for spying for the Mossad.
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She emigrated to the United States from Israel in 1997.
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Katz worked for the US Treasury Department in its pursuit of Muslim charity funds in the United States in Operation Green Quest and as a consultant for the FBI.
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The main coordinator for Green Quest was the then-head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division, Michael Chertoff.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:42 PM
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60. DUMB ASSES! ASS HATS! ETC! ETC! ETC!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:46 PM
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62. What, they believed that the Administration really cared about stopping terrorism?
No, the Bushistas only care about using terrorism, or claims of terrorism, for their own political ends. Any illusions that the Bushistas would keep from destroying secret sources should have been destroyed by the Valerie Plame affair.

Any other firm that might have any means of obtaining secret info should keep it as far away from the Administration as possible.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:50 PM
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63. The Obvious Truth
Georgie couldn't wait to blab.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:06 PM
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64. No surprise. They don't care really care about terrorism anyway.
It's only a politicized public relations issue for them. Just a pretext to ram through more unpopular and extreme pre-exisitng economic, educational, foreign policy, and domestic surveillance policies when the opportunity conveniently arises.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:37 PM
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68. OK this is such a f-up of gigantic proportions!
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 02:38 PM by themartyred
we actually HAD a covert way/person to get within their plans/videos and it was BLOWN by the White House???

HEY!

CALL NANCY!


Oh wait... She has no interest in anything being put on tables, it looks cluttered.


Well, at least I feel good in knowing the Shrub White House is so damn good at international affairs. :sarcasm: (as if needed)
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:30 PM
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74. Politics over security... AGAIN. n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:42 PM
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75. A fool and his intelligence gathering abilities are soon parted
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 03:50 PM by ooglymoogly
Trusting bush with secrets is like entrusting a child to a child molester.
This is not the first intelligence gathering apparatus the Shitler admin. has made impotent.
-there will be no intelligence but Shitlers manipulated intelligence- period
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:49 PM
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76. Just like the Plame case
the Bush WH was willing to destroy an intelligence operation for PR benefit.

Then again, they probably want those intelligence operations destroyed.

Private intelligence gathering companies should be illegal. If they had information that was incriminating to Bush or his allies in the ME, there's no means for Congress to retrieve and review the information.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:59 PM
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77. Bush deliberately derailed the "Techniques that took years to develop". ...
Why? Because they don't want the true backers to Al Qaeda (read: the CIA and Bush adminstration) revealed.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:39 PM
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78. Wait- you mean that obviously phony "Bin Laden" really WAS Bin Laden?
...Uh Huh.

Coulda fooled me.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:55 PM
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79. (by White House)
Where does it say that?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:05 PM
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81. I was using it as news media uses it
I know the poor White House(building) sure gets a ton of blame for what it's stupid inhabitant and his evil minions do. I really hope the White House is haunting Bushie - there was a story in the book Dead Certain that Chimpy thought he saw spirits one night and was freaked in the White House during Poppy's term.
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Daphne Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:10 PM
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82. My god, the stupidity of this administration never ceases to amaze me.
They think they are Machiavellian and sly but they're more like a high school group who think they have it over everyone because they play football or are cute.

Morons.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:21 PM
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83. Is this a cover-up of faking the video?
Since when did anyone accept the video as authentic?
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:49 PM
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85. Just another piece of dis-mis-information from the wapo. Pi$$ on it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:47 PM
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88. Some people might consider that leak to be bordering on treason.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:51 PM
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89. This is just sick! It shows the disrespect from Bushies for anything that is credible!
I am sure most of us are not surprised by this "Brownie" move by the Bushies! It is just one more sick move on their parts that shows how little respect they have for real intelligence! They don't want to catch the terrorist very quickly as it would take their billion dollar contracts away! :argh:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:08 PM
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90. Now tell me again ...
whose being conned by terrorists?

NBC-Brian Williams 'Thanks God Dick Cheney Was IN Office On 9/11', speaks for the clueless.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:27 PM
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91. Was it the fat OBL or skinny OBL video made in the WH basement
btw
don't they routinely shut down jihadi websites all the time ?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:30 AM
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96. It was the 2004 Robot bin Laden on the tape they are talking about here...
...except they trimmed and died the beard.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:24 PM
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97. when will Peppy Perino get her facts straight?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:34 PM
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98. Why assume SITE is anything more than a fake?
As others have posted here, SITE has some connections to groups that have vested interests in continuing the fear factor concerning al q. as others have suggested, maybe SITE is the intermediary for propaganda they are "allowed" to find... the middleman for psy ops/propaganda.

maybe this "leak" was about shutting down SITE's ability to provide fake videos. when was the video supposed to be released?

maybe this "leak" was something to make al q think they had one less spy apparatus to worry about... tho calling al q one thing seems facile at this point.

and, donning my tin foil, maybe the video coincides with a black op that some fear in the portland area.

anyway, my point is the rush to assume SITE is "the good guy" in this situation is knee-jerk b/c the Bush admin. is on "the other side" of this moment. Why was Fox news the first to have this info and broadcast it? Does anyone here really think Fox News would release information that would harm the Bushies? I find that hard to believe, knowing they get their daily talking points from the RNC.

This seems more like psy ops to me, not a real issue. I don't know the purpose for it, but the players aren't on the opposite side in this thing.
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