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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:15 PM
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Kucinich 'seriously thinking' about forcing vote on Cheney impeachment
Source: Raw Story



Kucinich 'seriously thinking' about forcing vote on Cheney impeachment
Nick Juliano
Published: Friday September 28, 2007


Rep. Dennis Kucinich says he is so concerned about what he sees as the Bush administration's push for a war with Iran that he is considering using a parliamentary measure to force the House of Representatives to vote on impeaching Vice President Dick Cheney.

"We're preparing for another war, and they're going to destroy America," the Ohio Democrat said Thursday on the Ed Schultz show. "We have a government in place right now that has to be challenged. I'm seriously thinking about calling a privileged resolution on impeachment of the vice president and forcing a vote on the floor of the House."

A privileged resolution would force the full House to debate about whether to proceed with impeachment, but it remains unclear precisely how, when or whether Kucinich would be able to introduce such a resolution. Privileged measures "may be called up on the floor whenever another measure is not already pending" and the House agrees to consider it, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Read more: http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Kucinich_seriously_thinking_about_forcing_vote_0928.html
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:17 PM
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1. Do it Dennis!
:applause: :bounce:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:05 PM
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61. I'm in
Come on Dennis - let's get them out of their

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tMACzBomDK4
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:17 PM
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2. If he can do that he deserves the Democratic Nomination IMO
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:32 PM
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12. You know what, he really would. If he's the only one to bring the
resolution to the floor, he definitely would be the only one worth voting for. And I think a lot of people would take a second look at him if he did.

His politics aren't that far out there. He's pretty conservative in a lot of ways. I think that this would swing a lot of people.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:42 PM
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28. Lets hope he quits thinking and starts doing
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:42 PM
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64. Well.....
Except the forced buyback of all personal firearms. Pretty far out there. That as much as anything is the reason he'll never even smell a higher office.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:10 PM
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82. Kucinich is the only one who would bring any "real" change.
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Pierzin Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:52 AM
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54. Screw The Big Leaders!!! Support someone who's right
We need serious serious help here people. Hillary would not answer the questions in the weeks debate. We need to show our leaders war is not the answer. Arrogance, avarice and corruption have led USA to the sorry state it is in today.
Gravel and Dennis and Richardson are right. Get us out of Iraq now. ANd impeach the Mofos who have led us down the path to tyranny! No more triangulation by the DLC or DNC or whatever, do the right thing, and restore the Constitution!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:59 PM
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67. agree 199.99%
get it done and He da man
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:58 PM
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74. He's spinning his wheels.
Perhaps I am just being pessimistic, but neither Cheney or Bush will be impeached in the next year-and-a-half. The process is too long and drawn out, and there is not enough sentiment for it in congress, in either party. I believe that the more effort is spent in pursuing them will be effort not used against whoever the Republicans nominate next year. After all, Bush and Cheney will not be running again. We need to concentrate our efforts on another target.
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Pierzin Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:13 PM
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76. I just Pray Someone in Power ATTEMPTS IT, is all
It shames us all, IMO, that this dimwit war criminal has done all these horrible things to our nation, and our elected officials are doing next to nothing to get him out of power.:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:08 PM
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81. It's not a drawn out process. Can be completed in as little as 3 days
But this wouldn't get drawn out for months. They will or they won't very quickly because there is no hiding behind Executive privilege with impeachment. All information requested must be presented so Cheney would be forced to attempt a military 'cou' or go along quietly. It would go very fast. Successful or not...it would go fast.
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:02 AM
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96. You could be right; theoretically, at least.
But when has Congress ever done anything swiftly and efficiently? Look at how long the Clinton impeachment proceedings lasted. I could be remembering it being longer and more drawn out than it really was, though. When they impeached President Clinton, it seemed to take forever, with both sides legal maneuvering and playing for the media. I guess I just don't have much faith in our Congress-critters.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:30 PM
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92. He deserves it anyway.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:19 PM
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3. One critical element
is the timing of the choice. The only chance beyond a silenced, hopeless gesture is carrying the power of the moment full slam into nation's eye. There may not be such a moment, but this is too important not to be prudent.

He will not be swayed by any other pressure than taking the best shot. That is my sense of this singularly faithful public servant.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:12 PM
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75. This should force house members to decide whether they are on the side of....
the people or on the side of corruption, particularly in light of Seymour Hersch's recent statements. This may not be covered too much in the MSM, but it should be viewed as a turning point of whether the government itself has turned against the will of the people.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:24 PM
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4. Sounds like the "hard looks" Bernie Sanders is always talking about
on Friday with Hartmann. I don't believe anything will come of this.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:43 PM
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10. I will tell you what comes of this...
No impeachment of the traitor and war criminal Cheney, due to
the Corrupt Republicans and the Turncoats among the Democrats
with a likely war with Iran. Like Hitler and Germany; the
traitor, war criminals Bush and Cheney will not be satisfied
until they destroy America. 
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:07 AM
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98. ,,,will not be satisfied until they destroy America
I hear this phrase and its variants alot, e.g. things like "George Bush wants to destroy America", etc. What satisfaction would Cheney and Bush have after destroying America? No, that is not there goal. They want to transform America into an authoritarian (if not totalitarian) state where leaders from within their class interest rule despite dissent, regardless of other class interests.

As long as they can march into imperial wars, enrich themselves and their friends, spy on political opposition, torture others to break the spirit of populations from whom the tortured are obtained -- as long as they can setup and run a Mussolini-like marriage of state and corporate power they are satisfied. They don't want to detroy America, they want to transform it into their own private play pen, their own distorted dystopia from hell.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:43 PM
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5. We need to get him on KO's Countdown first the day before so there will be Media Presence
Give em Hell Dennis!
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:48 PM
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18. Indeed!
I have talked to 2 people this week who have never even heard of Kucinich! I think they are fairly liberal people too.
That would bring him recognition.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:20 PM
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6. Better than nothing.
DK is one of the few who get it.

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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:24 PM
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7. Please do whatever it takes, Dennis...
You have 2/3 of the nation behind you. Please urge your colleagues in the House of Representatives to support you in this measure (...there are PLENTY of your peers who support this action.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:32 PM
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8. Why stop with Cheney?
Go for the big whee and take down Herr Decider. Whatever you do, Dennis, don't chicken out.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:04 PM
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22. Cheney first, then immediately follow with Boosh, like a one, two
...no chance to allow Booze Head to appoint and confirm a stand in VP. That brings Nancy Pelosi in as President and then she can slect a democratic VP and Congress has the veto proof vote to end the war, criminally prosecute all rethugs, neocons and Joe Lieberman, implement Homeowners and Bank Protection legislation and get our country and the government and the U.S. Constitution functioning and working again. All that must happen over the weeks and months following the new Democratic White House with numerous appointments regain peace and U.S. influence around the world.

Unfortunately there will be all those ReThug Koolaid drinkers who will have to be detoxified and reconditioned, but compassionate liberalism ought to be up to that challenge.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:37 PM
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9. I don't know his record for follow though.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 07:38 PM by superconnected
Is he someone who follows through or is he only "talk", like hillary and pelosi?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:03 PM
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11. He doesn't play:
http://kucinich.house.gov/Biography/

"In Congress, Kucinich has authored and co-sponsored legislation to create a national health care system, preserve Social Security, lower the costs of prescription drugs, provide economic development through infrastructure improvements, abolish the death penalty, provide universal prekindergarten to all 3, 4, and 5 year olds, create a Department of Peace, regulate genetically engineered foods, repeal the USA PATRIOT Act, and provide tax relief to working class families. "

Here's HR333
http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm

Here's HR1234 to end the war:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1234

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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:38 PM
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16. I totally agree for him to go for it with an impeachment vote on the floor.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 09:48 PM by FREEWILL56
In doing this, even if it fails, it will expose all of the real traitors in our government for the people to see and it will give DK the airtime that the media has refused to do at times and force his way through the roadblocks setup by other democratic candidates. Force this vote and I promise before God to make a contribution to show I back what you are doing the very day I see you proceed with it. You are seeing things as they truly are in this world today and have shown not only guts, but wisdom too. The best that can happen is that justice will be served and this nation can start to reverse the pure antiAmerican bullshit flung at us from within and the damage to our country that the neocons and republicon robots have done. Safegards must be put into place to stop the likes of these fascist thugs from ever doing this again. We need to get this country back from these assholes and given back to its people along with the rights and principles set forth by our forefathers. YOU KNOW THIS. We need to try many of these in our government as traitors to the American people, it's government, and for the violations of our constitution they swore to uphold. Many also need to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Expose them for the devils they truly are.
DO IT DENNIS!!!!!!! GO FOR IT ALL AS YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW WHO HAS WHAT IT TAKES TO GET IT DONE!!!!!!!
:kick: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:15 PM
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83. His record is excellent. Look at what he's done already. Corporations
want to crush him. He can't be bought and has the perfect motivation for the work he does. No other competitive interests.

Voted against the AUMF, the MCA, the Patriot Act, FISA protect America act, against all funding for the war-occupation. Only candidate to agree to end NAFTA and withdraw us from the WTO. Only candidate to already have introduced single payer not for profit health care for everyone, plus articles of impeachment against Cheney for war crimes. Only candidate to agree to get all the troops out of Iraq within 3 mos and establish a Department of Peace. Only one out there calling out Cheney and Bush for trying to provoke Iran into a war.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:32 PM
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13. He persistently and consistently backs up his talk with action.
The previous response to your post points out some examples; I'll just add that there is no politician in the nation more likely to follow through with what he says he'll do.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:50 PM
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19. Oh , he's follow through!
He soldiered through the last election for President, getting only crumbs ( except for luscious Elizabeth) and is back for more, because like us he can't rest untill justice is brought!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:34 PM
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14. Would this mean HR333 would not be heard in Committee?
It seems the Committee should just schedule hearings.
If Conyers has the support in the Committee, it should follow the usual process and be fully heard.

There are other options for the House floor that will not end HR333 not?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:05 PM
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24. Yes, there are, but Mr. Kucinich thinks "Time Is Running Out" ...
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:06 PM by Amonester
So he (we, and the world) doesn't (and don't) have the luxury to wait until Cheney & Bush (both greedy chikenhawks) will have effectively succeeded to destroy the United States Of America forever (i.e. after their upcoming - and illegal - attack on Iran, followed by their unilateral imposition of Martial Law).

It's already been close to 11 months since Nov. '06 and, to say the least: time is running out (even faster, this "late").

GO GET THEM, MR. KUCINICH!!
HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR REAL!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:04 PM
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30. He's right - time is running out!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 11:05 PM by Seabiscuit
There should have been impeachment hearings years ago. The Bush/Cheney tenure is almost over by now (granted of course, there are still over 400 agonizing days to live through before their tenure runs its course absent impeachment).
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:37 PM
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15. Do it, Dennis, stop talking about it!
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republicansarewhores Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:38 PM
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17. Shit or get off the pot Dennis.
Stop "talking" and "considering" and FUCKING DO SOMETHING!

Funny thing Dennis doesn't realize, is that showing balls regarding this could put him in a much better position with the electorate and being ELECTABLE.

RAW
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:55 PM
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20. I disagree
I think he does know, DON"T make ASS umpions.
He's been waiting for others to join him on H Res. 333, and we just lost MAine and Oregon there. We marched to Allen. & Michaud's offices this week to press them to support the bill, and got the standard ( "more important business to take care of...") Same happened with Blumenauer in Oregon! ( 3 fairly liberal Reps.)
Next move? Force the issue.
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republicansarewhores Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:38 PM
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36. "ASSumptions"?
Please. Kucinich had a press conference MONTHS ago saying the same thing. What the fuck is taking him so long?

I hope he has the balls to do it instead of tease us for attention but I'm not gonna hold my breath with him or any of these impotent congresspeople we all elected last November hoping they'd actually represent the MAJORITY that elected them.

RAW
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:17 AM
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45. He did what he could do
and John Conyers held it back, so he got 20 cosigners, and Conyers STILL held it back.
Now apparently he's moving on to a more extreme measure.
Look him up and learn about him, he's not you average BS Congresscritter.
When he says something, half the time he's already doing it, and he ALWAYS means it.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:49 AM
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58. What's the story with Conyers anyway???
I met him in Detroit and we had a nice long conversation. I thought he was a stand up guy. If he's holding this back I've got to drive over to his office in The D and talk to him about this. Why in the world would he hold it up? Isn't he the guy that started Nixon's impeachment?

This confuses me.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:04 PM
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62. Threats?
There's "reliable talk" on Capital Hill that Pelosi threatened to take away his chairmanship if he put forward any impeachment resolutions. And that Pelosi is following the orders of Democratic "strategists" who assume that The Dems can ride to power by allowing Bush to continue killing our soldiers, Iraqis, and America.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #58
97. Rahm Emmanuel
He and Hoyer are running Congress these days with help from idjits Begala and Mary Matalin's husband.

They have them cowering in fear if they don't adhere to the GOP agenda.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:04 PM
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23. Well, Dennis is my choice anyway, but
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:06 PM by anotheryellowdog
I think there is something to what you say. Even though I would love to see him get the nomination, the fact is he's hardly a front runner. Aside from the fact that bringing impeachment to the floor of the House is the right thing to do, I think that given his present position as a candidate, he has very little to lose and perhaps a great deal to gain by doing it. Few if any of the others among the elected members of the party have any balls. It seems to me that guts are one of the few things that get the attention of Americans. If voters saw, among this sea of candidate rejects, someone who actually holds democratic principles and has the courage to stand up for them, I for one think they would be favorably impressed.

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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:04 PM
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21. He should do it.
I'm not kuch's biggest fan, but i really admire his drive for this. i wanna see an up or down vote on this in congress and force members to put themselves on record.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:07 PM
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31. On the record...hmmmf.
They do not give a flying fuck about no record.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:33 PM
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25. The time has come for a showdown
go for it Dennis
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:35 PM
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26. I believe in the need to reply to these criminals with impeachment !!!! What can we do to help . .
Kucinich with this . . . ?????


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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:41 PM
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27. This is real
I can't imagine a more important issue. There may be some doubt about impeaching Bush, but Cheney must be punished for the violence that he has commited against America.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:46 PM
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29. Oh please Dennis
please please do this. It would help on so many fronts. It would help you, us, and the world. I would do anything I could to help him in this matter.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:21 PM
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32. Dennis has probably already decided
Its time to separate Americans and the NWO participants

They won't like it but its something we must witness
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:21 PM
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33. Think harder, Dennis!
(seeing his eyes cross like Tim Conway's when Carol Burnett told him to think harder)!

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NoGodsNoMasters Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:24 PM
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34. Ballsy move...
I dig it, but the tough part isn't bringing the motion, it's getting congress behind it, if it were up to us it'd be done yesterday, but as we've seen since the democrats took congress, getting them to pull together and take a stand is easier said than done.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:30 PM
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35. IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
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DAMANgoldberg Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:18 AM
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37. Five Words...
Don't Sing It, Bring It!
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:52 AM
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38. Oh, I'm sure it will accomplish something
what a loser.

All the Democrats will vote against it
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:00 AM
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39. DO IT, Dennis!!!
PLEASE!!!

SOMEBODY stand up!!!
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blind_dog Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:32 AM
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40. Kusinich and the War
The unfortunate thing is that nobody takes Kusinich as a serious candidate, while all along he has stood out as the ONLY one who seems to have the guts to say what he means and stand by what he says. I just wish more of our "candidates" could be so frank and just and tell it like it is....not only does Cheney deserve impeachment, the President himself ought to answer the call. The right wing Impeached Clinton for a personal indiscretion, but these guys just keep getting away with things that are very scary. I worry about our Republic and hope that our Democrats will wake up and stand up to these guys. I can't stand to see one more soldier dying for an unjust war. Just looking at Bush sickens me, I can't get that "Mission Accomplished" banner out of my mind and all the kids who have died or been maimed since then, that is blood on his hands and he should be held accountable.
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blind_dog Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:35 AM
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41. duh
I apologize for misspelling Kucinich
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:45 AM
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42. Go, go, go, go, go, go!!! Do it NOW!!!
Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate that has the guts to take them on. Such a shame he doesn't get the credit he deserves. Whether or not America is ready for a black or a woman...what about a short man?????
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:45 AM
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43. Not only right, good and critically important to impeach DeadEye Dick
Ias well as, subsequently, convict (in the Senate), indict, try, convict (in criminal court) and incarcerate him)

but I get a laugh sometimes picturing Curious George saying:

"Wait a minute! Ahm just as big a criminal as Big Dick! I okayed the torture thing! Hey, Ahm the deCIDEr!! I want some 'peachmint too!"


(It's good that that makes me laugh a little . . . not much else does these days.)


Go Dennis! At least we can say we fought the good fight!
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:56 AM
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44. Just Do It, DK
And you'll get me "seriously thinking" about voting for you in the Dem primary.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:42 AM
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46. If he does it, I may shift my vote to him.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:54 AM
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47. k+r
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:38 AM
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48. That's Worth A Donation. But ...
He Still Comes Up "Short"

Sure, he's best of a bad lot BUT...

...you can't "defund" anything with a regime perfectly prepared to fund lawlessly.

...and you can't "stand against this (p)Resident" by only impeaching cheney.

...and you can't command Euphemedia attention if you don't say "torture" and "war crimes."

This is why he's gaining no traction.

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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:56 AM
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49. Please, Please,Please,Please, Act before its too late... n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:29 AM
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50. Do it now.
Get everyone on the record. Those who don't think Cheney rule is such a bad thing should be made to say so.
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Jonathan Pollard Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:21 AM
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51. Please do
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 08:22 AM by Jonathan Pollard
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GeminiProgressive Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:48 AM
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52. if he does..
I will support him in the primary.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:50 AM
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53. He should wait just a little longer.
Dickie regularly does or says something to piss off the people. It's like the change in seasons. The way news cycles and pressure work, if it is brought up the day after dickie royally fucks up next, it could sail through. If the media is all over him, the focus will be there.

Another shoe is bound to fall. Dickhead is as corrupt as one can get. The pile of evidence for impeachment, indictment and conviction is high. His list of high crimes, treasons and abuses is long.

BUT, nobody does nothin in DC without pressure and press. Wait a while, I have no doubt that something will put the focus all on dickie, soon. And then, DK can run away with it, and be a national hero.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:55 PM
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66. Yah , like marshal law.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:05 PM
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85. Though Cheney is scum, I think he's laying low right now.
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 06:13 PM by FREEWILL56
We can't wait and we have to roll with what fuckups he's allready comiitted.
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Frogger Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:01 AM
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55. I'll believe it
when I see it. Maybe he will; maybe he want, but based on the past performances of the Democratic Party leadership, forgive me if i'm a little cynical.

I think he is just pandering to the base with no real intention of doing so. And if he is not, I don't think Pelosi will let it go through.

could be wrong, though. We'll see.:-(
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:05 PM
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80. "pandering to the base"? educate yourself on his H.R. 333 and get back to us
He "did something" a long time ago and now has, what? 20 co-signers? The bill has been "in committee" and now he is talking about forcing the issue. if ONLY The People would get militantly behind him, perhaps something would "get done." I hear a lot of "just do it, Dennis," without a whole lot of offers of doing whatever it would take to get behind him. How much are YOU willing to do?
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Maryland Liberal Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:34 AM
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56. Dennis is da man
The man has guts
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:54 AM
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57. Somebody do something!
This would be the best thing Dennis could do. The surge of support he'd get from the frustrated public would put him at the forefront.

Unfortunately it'd also put him in the cross hairs of the psycho-killers.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:51 AM
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59. DENNIS! Stay away from small planes. Stay away from hotel balconies.
Dont' go anywhere alone. Get some serious body guards working for you 24/7.

RIP - Wellstone.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:54 AM
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60. What's this "thinkin' about it" shit?? DO ITand stop messin' with us. nm
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:22 PM
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63. About time a Dem showed some balls and stood up to the Emperor
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:48 PM
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65. Less zen contemplation. More action.
Get it DONE, dude. The world is running a wee bit short on time.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:35 PM
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68. Go for it! Please!!!!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:49 PM
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69. Stop thinking and start acting!
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:02 PM
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70. wasn't this bill crafted in April?
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 03:02 PM by bluedog
whats taking this man so long?.......he talks the talk ..now he has to walk the walk......
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:03 PM
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71. GIT R DUN! Denny
All the usual side shows stealing from what actually is going on.
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ocd liberal Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:11 PM
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72. YEAH!!!
Dennis:

Please save the USA.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:40 PM
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73. Dennis, you're a prince & a true patriot, too often lost among the corrupt
collaborators controlling our party. Give 'em Hell!
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:27 PM
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77. Actually Kucinich is the only member of the House running, and so he
is the only candidate capable of bring the impeachment to the floor of the House, where impeachment must begin.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:32 PM
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78. oh for goodness sakes! just do it!
That goes for all the democrats - no more of this "threatening to" or "stern warnings" or "seriously thinking about" stuff. Stop talking about it and just do it!!!
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roxnev Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 04:36 PM
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79. The only Democrat
Running for president that shows GUTS and LEADERSHIP
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:49 PM
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87. who is foolish to rush
clear headed Dems would rather let bush-cheney make it easier to win the next elections for US. without polarizing the nation. it is a foolish endevour just now. I see it as a grab for attention.
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spirit of wine Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:36 PM
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84. Maybe this is being timed with other serious news
that will make people also reconsider their political points of view, and join us even more so. Friday closed out the end of the year for the fiscal season, now these politicians that see running this country like a business (which I personally cannot stand) will vote for another $190 billion for this occupation and if they want to keep their jobs they have to know we are giving them a lot of heat not to do it. Lest they join us on the unemployment line. Dollar crashing big time, price of food going up we have to change direction.

Do it Dennis!
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:46 PM
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86. Are you all wanting to paralize our nation?
if so go DK! I would like to see dick-n-george in handcuffs as much as anybody. adjust your aluminum hats people! impeaching cheney and bushie now would only serve to vapor lock our country. their are simply not enough votes to do it. besides It would not end the mess in iraq. it would further disrupt our economy. simply a bad idea right now. it would serve the democratic cause if they thought they got away with it. the next prez should simply arrest them on the podium at the next inaugural. it seems to me that DK is trying to rally the far left of our party, and gain some recognition. this is dangerous stuff. I for one have the patience to 1) ELECT A DEM AS PREZ. 2) Get FIRM control of BOTH houses of congress 3) arrest them both! hold them as enemy combatants indefinitely. 4) see them both convicted and shot.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:58 PM
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88. mmmmmmmmmm
arresting Bush and Cheney from the podium immediately after being sworn in.

....

that visual brought a smile to my face

Thanks :D
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:12 PM
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89. Your Welcome
I imagine it when I get frustrated and or angry. helps me to go to sleep.:toast:
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:27 PM
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93. Arrest them, charge them, convict them, shoot them...
Do you really think anyone will pursue it after they have left office? Once again we will be told it is better for the nation to just move onto better things. The way we did with Nixon. Which is how we ended up with the Bushes. And I shudder to think who we may end up with as a result of moving onto better things after the Bushes.

You have to wonder why Pelosi is so adamant that impeachment is off the table. One thing is for sure. It has nothing to do with concern for the nation. If one Supreme Court justice steps down or dies, Bush will forever change this nation by ensuring a Supreme Court that is tied to an agenda instead of the Constitution. That in itself should be sufficient reason to impeach now. Given the number of Democratic lapdogs Bush has in Congress, he could and would easily get a nominee approved. They have to have someone. That is the reality. And that should concern everyone. Should one justice step down or die prior to October 2008, it is doubtful anyone could stop his nominee. Home free perhaps after that point because a new president would be elected the following month. But then Bush would probably insist that it was his constitutional obligation, not just his right, to appoint since he had not left office. To ensure his legacy survived. Do the American people really want another archconservative on the Supreme Court?

The only way to make sure his legacy, and his father's legacy, does not survive is impeachment and conviction. And if it took shutting down this country in order to ensure he was removed from office, so be it.

As for your argument about the economic impact, perhaps you are one of the few who is doing well and not worried. You are in a small minority. For the rest of us, the majority, the economy is not good. And we are slipping further and further into economic oblivion. Keeping Bush in office will most likely ensure we continue to slip further and further into economic oblivion. With a little help from Congress. When will certain Democrats learn "bipartisanship" with this administration is merely concession to the minority which is not why we elected a majority. We elected a majority in order to force issues with the minority. This Congress, a Democratic Congress, seems intent on placating believing there is political advantage in doing so. For them perhaps. But certainly not for the American people.

As for impeachment being a Democratic cause, it is not. It is a constitutional cause that affects all of us. As Americans. Democrats, Republicans, Independents. All of us. The Constitution is about the people. Not about political parties. Or partisan politics.

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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:45 PM
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90. "seriously thinking"??...let me know when he gets to "probably will"...
seriously thinking...gimme a break.

Either do it or shut up.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:11 PM
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91. he did it a long time ago. educate yourself on H.R. 333
he intro'd a bill back in, what? April? to impeach Cheney and now has, what? 20 co-signers? The bill has been "in committee" and now he is talking about forcing the issue. if ONLY The People would get militantly behind him, perhaps something would "get done." I hear a lot of "just do it, Dennis," without a whole lot of offers of doing whatever it would take to get behind him. How much are YOU willing to do?
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:49 PM
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94. Call your representative!
Call the representatives in your city and/or your county. All of them. Call all of them in your state if you have time. You may not think a representative from San Franciso will care what you think if you live in Los Angeles but you know what? They do. You may know people in San Francisco. And in fact, tell them that you do. How do they know you don't? They don't. So you tell a little lie if you really don't. In some cases, there really is a noble lie for a noble cause. When it really does help other people instead of just yourself.

If they are Democrats, tell them if they do not sign on to this, you will ask others to support a challenger in the next primary and they won't even have a chance to run again unless they run as an Independent and remind them of how angry everyone is at Joe Lieberman who ran as an Independent and probably will not be elected again. Not by Democrats.

If they are Republicans, tell them how angry people really are. Angry enough to vote for a Democrat next time. They have no way of knowing whether you are a Republican or a Democrat unless you tell them. And you don't need to. Just call and tell them off, bang those pots and pans as Molly Ivins would say, and then hang up.

The first couple of calls they ignore. If enough people call, they start logging them. And some Republicans will get worried as well as some Democrats. And some might have some conscience about them. And while not signing on to HR 333, might vote for it. To save themselves with their constituents.

In the end, the party does not elect them. The money does not elect them. The people do. And occasionally enough people get fed up that the people do not. And they know that. They just don't really think about it. Until the phones start ringing. And they hear the pots and pans banging.

If everyone really did love Molly Ivins then everyone should pick up the phone and start banging the pots and pans. What better way to remember her but to do what she asked us to do?

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:59 PM
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95. YES!!!
Please, Dennis!
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