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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:39 AM
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Bush adviser Rove says he'll leave at end of August
Source: Marketwatch

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Karl Rove, President Bush's longtime political adviser, told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published on Monday that he's going to resign on Aug. 31 and return to Texas.

"I just think it's time," Rove said in the interview with the newspaper. "There's always something that can keep you here, and as much as I'd like to be here, I've got to do this for the sake of my family." Read interview at WSJ.com

Rove said he expects Democrats to give the 2008 presidential nomination to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, whom he described as "a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate."

He also said Republicans have "a very good chance" to hold onto the White House in next year's elections.

Read more: Bush adviser Rove says he'll leave at end of August
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:44 AM
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1. Damn, you're fast.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 03:44 AM by Nutmegger
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:16 AM
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77. Oh, what a BEAUTIFUL MORNING! Gonna sing my way through the housework!
Thanks for posting! :-)
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:06 AM
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107. Dont believe it for two seconds...
...he will be running the show as always. This is a ploy to avoid accountability.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #107
111. Only time will tell...
Thanks for your comments.
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #107
112. Rest assured

that there is more to that Rove story.

Unless he's raised so much money for his robber baron buddies that it's time to move on elsewhere. That so expect him to make a quick dash over to "K" Street lobbying or shift to military contracting firm that needs a boost.

It's blood money that drives Karl Rove and nothing more.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #112
226. There's always more
with this gang. I'm expecting the unexpected.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #107
146. C-Span This AM Made References That He's Looking To Hook Up With
Fred Thompson! "I want to spend more time with my family" is just the USUAL comment... this guy is a maniacal, evil opportunist and as they say... Leopards Don't Change Spots!"

Red Rover isn't one of those "senior citizens" likely to retire from politics in any way, shape or form! He's only clearing the way to do MORE DAMAGE to what he feels is his AMERIKA!!

He's a true CANCER that won't stop growing unless some ACID is poured directly into his BRAIN!!

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GMFORD Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #146
222. Letting Rove loose from
obligations to Bush just gives him the time to devise dirty tricks for somebody else in 08.

It's like when NYC was dumping its garbage in the harbor - sooner or later it washes ashore again.
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jfippse Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #222
261. Rove
When will Rove get a medal from Bush??????
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #146
242. That's the first thing I thought: which candidate is he going to work for?

Or are they throwing him under the bus so he has to testify before Congress, only to pardon him afterwards?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #146
277. Of course. They know each other from their Nixon days,
and F*T is supposed to announce his candidacy in early September. That fits the timeframe. Of course. That means F*T is willing to accept the responsibility and liability for the Iraq War fiasco. That doesn't sound very smart to me. But, considering the timing and the desperation of Repubs, I think it is the most likely explanation for Rove's resignation. They want to pull a Schwarzenegger. They hope people will be so mesmerized by the thought of a "star" running for president that they will vote for him. Just think of the campaign ads you could prepare based on scenes from Thompson's TV series. That goes for both sides of the campaign. Personally, I expect the Republicans to choose Thompson as their candidate. I think he has a certain following, but he looks really old and kind of gloomy. I don't think he will be easy to sell.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #107
151. I smell a Karen Hughes "event". n/t
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #151
174. Tell me she's not running for President
They might make Karen Hughs go against Hilary.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #151
175. Bill Clinton: Rove's emails (if revealed) may expose election fraud
Face it, there are many untold reasons for Rove's sudden departure and only happened when the time called for him to exit stage left --->NOW!! There is still the house vote regarding Bush's executive privilege rights upon the return of vacationing officials. Rove couldn't have chosen a better George Tenet moment.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #175
188. Election fraud. Yes, there must be iron clad evidence.
Rove is so slimy maybe he just ticked off someone like Exxon or one of *'s Arab buddies.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #175
223. Good point--the end of the month IS only two weeks away
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 12:50 PM by rocknation
Maybe something's about to pop which necessitates a hasty retreat on his part. I can dream, can't I?

:headbang:
rocknation
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #223
230. I'm dreaming with you
This smells of some crime or scandal that they can't avoid. Rove is the last person anyone would have predicted leaving the White House. I could have envisioned Laura leaving before Rove, even BARNEY!!!
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #107
161. You may be right on that.
dirty trickster that he is...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #161
192. Welcome to DU!
I'd certainly be suspicious. I AM suspicious.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #107
172. Yep, he'll be pulling Hillary's strings from afar.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #172
177. Rove: Hillary Clinton``a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate.''NT/
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #107
190. Yeah. No kidding. There's SOMETHING ELSE. Especially with these people
there's ALWAYS something ELSE. Something else they're not saying. Something else they're lying about. Something else they're covering up. There's ALWAYS something ELSE.

ALWAYS. They're too close to be separated. bush is still in a huge mess. This is presumably not a good time to lose an allies. And I'm not an expert on this, but I'd assume that any bush "protections" would still cover kkkarl - no matter where he might be. As long as bush is president, he'll be able to afford rove protection.

There's SOMETHING ELSE.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #190
211. I agree there must be "something else"...Why is he willing to give Hillary a bump?
Sure with his Hillary remark, hes rallying the conservative base, BUT hes also telling Americans that the BIG BAD CORRUPT REPUBLICANS DONT LIKE HILLARY...so through reverse psychology --everyone will $upport and vote for Hillary during the primaries.

I just keep thinking about Hillarys connection to Rupert Murdoch. Most campaign donations go to advertising through our corporate owned media.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #190
232. Always, always, always
It is so exhausting to have to second guess everything they do and say. It is like living in "opposite world" for six long maddening years!!!
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #107
194. Exactly...
"never mind that man behind the curtain...the wizard will see you now!"...he'll be on down-low still running things...just very hush-hush...
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #107
199. Yup. His umbilical cord is still attached to W. You can be sure that he is
not leaving because he no longer lives and breathes through Bush's lungs.
I'd guess he's leaving for one of two reasons:

1) All together now: "He fought the law, and the law won."
He knows what evidence the Dems have on him and is trying to cut his losses by quitting, hoping the Dems
will ease up once they think he's 'gone.'

2) He needs to concentrate full-time on rigging the next election, so he can do his evil deeds while Gonzo is still AG.

In any event, there is something up his sleeve.
There is ALWAYS something up his sleeve.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #199
234. I'm betting on your option 1
I think Rove knows what they know, which is possibly a LOT more than we know!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:49 AM
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2. Bush without Rove? That's like a baby without his mother's milk. Uh, no.
Didn't Karen Hughes supposedly resign in 2003? Yet she never really left the White House inner circle.
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #2
48. Re: like a baby without his mother's milk
So, point well made, any thoughts on who'll be the next surrogate supplier of love, affection and half an idea for Bush where to go from here?

Who's the yet unannounced but already decided replacement?
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #48
79. CondoSLEEZY Rice might drop off
I haven't seen much of her lately.
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #79
89. Re: Chief of Staff Rice
So, in other words, Rove keeps his job, gets paid under the table and doesn't exist if the heat turns up. They'll just have to let one 'Condo' burn down.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #89
155. That's a step down, AND she doesn't have the political skills.
She's a policy wonk. The job Rove holds is a brass knuckles assignment. Not for Condi.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #79
114. and her absence does NOT make the heart grow fonder, does it?
Actually, she has been doing her damage in the Muddle East quite well, thank her not at all.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #79
187. Probably not. She's trying to stay out of range of Henry Waxman.
If she's back in Washington, it's much harder to avoid his subpoenas.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #2
53. Rove will be gone officially,
but I don't expect Bush to stop relying on him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #2
124. That's like a body without
a bloodthirsty brain. The phone lines will be burning up between the chimphouse and Texas.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #124
235. And Rove without Bush is like a Brain without an Ass
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #124
251. Yeah. I'll bet that Bush is buying a lot of pre-paid calling cards for KKKarl. n/t
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #2
184. Rove has had six years to train an army of followers, the very thought of which terrifies me.
There are capable bodies ready to step in.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #2
209. You're naive if you think Bush will be without Rove for a second.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:52 AM
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3. I figure Karl will head back to Texas, buy a spread in Amarillo, and
open up that RV dealership he's always dreamed about.

You go, Karl.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:30 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. Aack!
He better not.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #3
35. can't wait to see those home-made commercials . . .
"c'mon down to Krazy-Karl's . . . . - best-danged deal money can buy . . . "
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:03 AM
Response to Reply #3
41. No, No, No, No, NO!
Don't want him!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #3
50. ....... and a big big hunting lodge for his pal cheney to come and visit!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
78. Well, I'm sure he's scoured the real estate with those satellite photos,
looking for the best piece of property that includes its own underground cave.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #78
185. as opposed to an aboveground cave?
thanks for the chuckle!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
92. That may be his dream, but Dubai or Paragualy may be his
future home for reasons of criminal expediency.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #3
127. I see ol' kkkarl with
Swiss bank accounts and in the Caymans with money at his disposal at the drop of his Texas hat.

he'll gorge on his petard.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #127
196. Maybe, but just until all the investigations are over. n/t
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:01 AM
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4. Yeah, sure he's "resigning"....
More like he's going "underground"....

Then again...I wonder what's up with this need for "family time"? :eyes:
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #4
25. Families are always good for giving someone who "resigns" an excuse
Of course they might not even know what he looks like or remember his name, but "family" is the universal resignation reason
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:08 AM
Response to Reply #4
68. I believe you're on to something..
If anyone knows, what is the status of Rove with his subpoena:

"Last month, the US Senate issued a subpoena against him as part of an investigation into the sacking of eight federal prosecutors, but Mr Bush ordered him not to testify, citing executive privilege."

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but didn't a judge overturn the executive privilege claim? And Rove still has to honor the subpoena?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #4
132. kkkarl is sooo
cliche.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #4
193. Smells like it to me, too.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 10:53 AM by calimary
Maybe an attempt to get out of range. The White House Press Corpse is wherever bush is. Heaven forbid somebody starts asking pesky questions... if kkkarl's out of range, he can operate more effectively in shadow. Not as many big press guns in Texas. The biggies are all either in Washington or New York.

Besides, he's the "architect" of the latter-day "thousand year Reich," that dream of the permanent republi-CON majority that tilts the table for a generation or more - WHICH IS IN SERIOUS JEOPARDY NOW. Maybe he's going off to start working on that, more under the radar. Because it's quite endangered.

BTW - Pete Williams on MSNBC is now saying rove would still be protected as a top presidential aide, whether he's nearby or not. harriet miers still enjoys that protection, and she's been supposedly "out" of the game for some time.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:03 AM
Response to Original message
5. I think ol' Karl is gettin' ready...
...to make himself available for the Republican candidate in 2008...
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:06 AM
Response to Reply #5
22. That's my take as well, adsosletter.
We aren't rid of the fat pig just because he's leaving the White House. He's never really been a "presidential" adviser anyway, IMO. He's a political operative for the Rethug Party, pure and simple. He's just slithering off to become the brains behind the campaign of whoever gets the Rethug nomination for '08.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #22
126. I wonder who has requested his services.
And what an interesting campaign issue.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:13 AM
Response to Reply #5
24. My thoughts exactly. n/t
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #5
26. Exactly. The continuity of power is absolutely necessary to keep Imperial Amerika
"in higher, tighter and righter hands," to quote our First Emperor, Poppy Augustus (1984-1992).

You will see some combination of Loyal Bushie Comrades at the side of the next Emperor (unless the next Emperor of Amerika is permitted to be a Democrat, which I will simply not believe until I see it) which will be the real power in the naive and beholden Romney or Ghouli Imperium.

And Karl's resignation, which has absolutely nothing to do with what the Imperial Subjects of Amerika or our bootickling Imperial Congress want, is the logical step in terms of the Bush Imperium contiuing to keep Amerika a BushPutinist Nation, no matter who takes power.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #26
116. and MANer, WHITEr hands as well

No way they are going to let a female or a black man control the power in "this land of liberty."
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #116
167. I am afraid I have to agree with that assessment
I still wonder whether they'll allow a Democrat to even keep the Imperial Throne warm in '08, white or black.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #167
282. Right you are ~ they can't afford to have a Democrat
in the White House right now.

That would turn back all their dirty deeds for the last 8 years.
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Mensa Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #5
27. Yup, you nailed it.
Will it be Gingrich or Fred Thompson?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #27
59. Hey, doncha know junior has a brother named Jeb? And poppy
& Barbara are coming all over themselves that another one of their little monsters will be coming president.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #27
110. Fred. nt
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Banned_Wagon Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #110
162. Delete please, thanks n/t
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 09:56 AM by Banned_Wagon
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #5
62. Exactly... my first thought. We'll know who we're up against soon.
Whoever he takes under his wing... that's the guy who will get the nomination.

The good news is... everyone knows the tricks.
The bad news... catching clear, unmitigated evidence.

Somehow, somewhere, some day.... someone will come forward.

'Til then... never let KKKKarl out of the crosshairs.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #5
183. They just said that on CNN
That he wanted to help out with the O8 election.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #183
186. what do I win...a "get out of Gitmo free" card...?
...or a set of steak knives? Hmmmm....

:D
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:03 AM
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6. Hmmm...what shit is about to hit the fan?



Jump if you're feelin' froggy, Karl ;)











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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:23 AM
Response to Reply #6
83. Maybe they're worried about all the shit that would hit the fan if we got a Dem president
and overwhelming Dem majorities in 2008. Betcha anything Karl resurfaces as a campaign advisor for one of the GOP candidates.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:07 AM
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7. with bush brain leaving
who will be at the controls? Karen Hughes?

and will the cloak of executive priviledge still cover him?

all those who believe he's really leaving to spend more time with family, please raise a glass of kool-aid

off hand, two possible reasons for resignation:

1. making himself available to work for republic nominee/candidate

2. House/Senate committee(s) are getting too close for comfort and best to go hide

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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:13 AM
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74. The Brain Drain
Who's next? CondoSLEEZY Rice?

Nearly everyone from Bush's original cabinet is GONE!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:18 PM
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240. I think the "too close for comfort" option
smells right. Meanwhile, what diversion will the White House use this time to take our attention away from Rove's resignation? Be prepared for another faux foiled terrorist plot.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:17 AM
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8. 'one step ahead of the hangman'
is my interpretation.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:00 AM
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38. Really?
He's Teflon, so far. Could he simply have had enough DC for a while, or is there some fresh revelation coming that will force Congress to act?
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:21 AM
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9. Well well well...
...to paraphrase an old National Lampoon circa 1975, about Richard M. Nixon:

"THEY'VE FIRED THE SHIT HEARD ROUND THE WORLD."


Question: Now that Rove will be a private citizen, can he be compelled to testify before Congress, or is he still covered by "executive privilege" like Goodling, Miers, Gonzalez, etc.?

Sworn testimony before Congress is too good for this cockroach.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:33 AM
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30. With Bush/Cheney in power
there is no law.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:22 AM
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10. um possible. . . Maybe he'll leave like Rumsfeld did. . down the hall.
I can't imagine him actually leaving. Perhaps they've implanted s communication device so he can run GW from afar. . .
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:31 AM
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12. kinda scary
hmmm, must be something really bad coming down the pike for that pig to abandon his trough.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:22 AM
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145. right before september too
:(
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blueridgeliving Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:09 PM
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254. Agreed!
I agree totally. NO way is Rove "leaving" bush, bush would implode. He'll be around, all right. What do you think phones and email is for, anyway? Just one more way to escape ACCOUNTABILITY.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:14 PM
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270. So that's what they were doing during Bush's colonoscopy.
Implanting that device.
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Rottenmac Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:39 AM
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13. If he's quitting after all he's done
then the shit must REALLY be ready to hit the fan.

Im keeping my fingers crossed that something huge will happen; by huge i mean the wheels come off, the brakes fail, the engine kerplodes and then the tank goes new-q-lar.

I really REALLY want to see some blood and fur. Im tired of being polite about it. I wan this guy to burn bright, long and slow.

Oh, and pain. There has to be LOTS of pain.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:58 AM
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195. Welcome to DU!
There's something else at play here, definitely. These guys are ALWAYS up to something. There's NOTHING with any of 'em that's purely honest and straightforward. NOTHING. There's always an angle. There's ALWAYS something ELSE.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:46 AM
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14. Rove is leaving the building, not necessarily Bush & Co.
Expect even more stuff than before to happen off the record
in the Bush administration. As long as Rove remains outside
jail, he is still dangerous.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:03 AM
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42. and in jail too
many crime family people ran their operations from jail. It's still going on to day and if this ain't a crime syndicate I don't know what is.

KL
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:46 AM
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15. :tinfoilhat: ? maybe not.....
I highly doubt rove will just spend time with his family - most likely scenario is he will be on one of the republic's campaign... but who

consider this: Fred Thompson

- from various articles it's been said Thompson will "officially declare" around Labor Day. Rove's resignation is for end of August, this leaves him free to migrate from bush's brain to thompson's brain

- other articles have hinted Thompson is pretty tight with the bushies, and the bushies are encouraging him to run

and then there's this press release: a coincidence? wouldn't bet on that, talks between thompson and rove have probably been going on for a couple of months...

Fred Thompson Ready To Merge In Iowa
Washington D.C. 8/12/2007 10:52 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?storyid=20536&ret=news.aspx&cat=Politics


Past Senator Fred Thompson is planning to make his first Iowa tour as a presidential view next week, a growth that is anticipated to reset the Republican field in the caucus state in the arousal of the GOP straw survey in Ames on Saturday.

"Then the campaign for the caucuses begins," said John Maxwell, chief adviser to U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Ia. "There are going to be players leaving the stage after Saturday, and so it is going to be a new lineup."

---snip---

Thompson is likely to officially proclaim his application for the GOP nomination in September


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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:59 AM
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37. Didn't Fred Thompson hire Time Griffin
the vote-cging protege of Rove's
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:06 AM
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45. why have the protege when you can have the pro?
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 06:07 AM by radfringe
rove and thompson have most likely been talking for a few months, hired the protege as an interim, wouldn't be surprised if rove hasn't been working through the surrogate
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:18 PM
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266. I'll don my hat along with you.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 03:28 PM by TWriterD
I've been saying for quite a while now that Fred will enter the race. He's an insider dating back to Nixon and tight with the Bush/Baker cabal. The dumbasses who consider Bush (the silver-spoon, Ivy League cheerleader) a bad ass will think the same of Thompson -- it's all about the packaging. He'll appeal to the God, guns, and gays crowd the way Huckabee does, but without coming across as a milquetoast. So what if his wife is much younger, dresses like a mermaid and has big, possibly fake breasts? They'll tone down those puppies, dress her in Chanel and voila! - First Lady material. Female country singers will proclaim what a stud/gentleman he is. That's all it takes with these voters. And with Karl as his adviser, he'll see to it that the buses are lined up at the mega-churches to get these people to the polls. (Not to mention election fraud...)

At least if he announces, I won't have to sit through L&O re-runs with him in it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/13/business/media/13order.html?ref=business

Now that Mr. Thompson seems poised to re-enter politics as a Republican presidential candidate, his career will take another twist. In May, he asked NBC to release him from further Law & Order commitments; more recently, NBC said it was ready to stop showing reruns of the episodes he appears in because of federal equal time regulations for presidential candidates.

If Fred Thompson formally announces his intention to run for president, NBC will not schedule any further repeats of Law & Order featuring Mr. Thompson beyond those already scheduled, which conclude on Sept. 1, NBC said in a statement.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:47 AM
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16. I do not believe for one second that he's really taking himself out of the
game.

He's just up to something new.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:47 AM
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207. The key phrase in that is "up to something."
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 12:00 PM by calimary
Which he is. You don't just voluntarily step down from that ego-massaging loftiest of lofty heights unless there's something else going on.

1) "...More time with my family." Yeah. BULLSHIT. I believe that like I believe mark foley...

2) To escape Congressional heat. I wouldn't put too much into that. He knows it takes more than mere geography to get completely out of range. He will ALWAYS enjoy bush's protection as long as bush has ANY protection to offer - ie: as long as he remains a squatter in the Oval Office. Seen any suffering from harriet miers yet? Besides, he's probably gonna be on the phone with the White House 57-hundred times a day.

3) To work on somebody else's campaign - SOMEWHAT out of the limelight for now. Possibly. fred thompson's, maybe? Especially since the way is now clear for there to be only one thompson in the GOP race.

4) To get some distance from the press - maybe that's part of it. Out of sight, out of mind, especially when there's a new campaign and a whole new list of "usual suspects" to nosh upon. And the press, such as it is, is predominantly in Washington and New York (at least the press he's always been concerned with) and it's not likely somebody's going to assign some reporter to a 42/7 "rove watch" way out in the hinterlands away from the "action." WHICH IS PROBABLY EXACTLY THE WAY kkkarl WOULD PREFER.

5) Illness? That, it seems to me, would be the only truth behind any flabby excuses about going home to spend more time with the family. Perhaps he's been diagnosed with something. When's the last time anybody heard about him going to the doctor?

6) To strategize from a safe distance about somehow salvaging his dream of that "permanent republi-CON majority" that is now pretty much on life support.

7) To be perceived as going out "a winner" - Yes, there was November 2006, but with the conduct of the Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress, turns out that wasn't such a horrible jolt after all. Like they've really done a whole lot to reverse things since then... Yes, kkkarl stumbled on "THE math." But not by a lot. And if it's indeed true that at least three million votes were already fixed, he stopped the hemmorhaging that would have been far more certain if more Dems had been elected. He just didn't anticipate the much-greater-than-expected avalanches of voters descending on the polling places last fall. If he had, it would have been SIX million votes scammed. The fix WAS in last time. It just wasn't enough of one. And if anybody learns from mistakes, it's kkkarl.

8) There is also the point made elsewhere here and perhaps also on MSNBC this morning that rove has thus left "on his terms" rather than being dragged out, under arrest, by the Capitol Hill Police or some such, if Waxman or Conyers or SOMEBODY finally gets up the cojones to make one of their subpoenas stick. Which is doubtful, of course, but one can always hope, 'eh? Strategically and practically speaking, it's much easier to send the law down the street to the White House than have to dispatch some posse all the way out to Texas. That might be a discouraging factor to some of the weenies in Congress who really would rather not get roughed up that much.

9) Besides, he's always got friends at Pox Noise. I'll bet they're dangling a diamond-studded carrot in front of his nose, to get his kind of marquee value name and face on their airwaves as a senior political analyst or something. That would be a tasty bone to throw to the idiots who still worship boy george - and still eagerly gulp down the kool-aid. They're still around in sufficiently large numbers, and they still go to the polls as though the polls were churches.

You've always gotta remember, with these people, that NOTHING is ever as it seems. NOTHING should be taken at face value. There's ALWAYS an angle, ALWAYS an ulterior motive, ALWAYS something else going on below ground or beyond view. There's ALWAYS something fishy here. Nothing is EVER above board or straightforward with these bastards.

ALL roads will STILL lead to rove. This is just a diversion of some sort.

And if you're suspicious, GOOD. You're correct to be suspicious. We ALL should be. And we need to keep an eye on him, WHEREVER he is. I read a story recently about a man being bitten by a poisonous snake even after he'd chopped its head off. The fangs were still full of venom, and there was enough nerve activity to keep them moving - lethally enough.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:48 AM
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17. He probably won't be working on the Tommy Thompson campaign.
Seriously though, I have heard a few good explanations so far and I will throw in two of my own.

MONEY and POWER.

His current salary may be feeling a bit paltry these days and the private sector is where the big money is. By leaving now any firm hiring him would still gain some useful influence with Bush, though that influence is rapidly waning with lame-duck Bush.

It must be frustrating to someone like Rove to watch all that power continually slip from his grasp as the war in Iraq emboldens both Republicans and Democrats to stand up to Bush.

If I were to prioritize the possibilities I would have to go with the money.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:04 AM
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20. Power slipping from his grasp? Republicans and Democrats standing up to Bush?
Where? When? I must have missed something, but the last time I checked Congress couldn't do a thing to hold Gonzales, Rove etc. accountable because dictator Bush decides everything his administration does has to remain secret under the guise of 'executive privilege'. Also, Bush got what he wanted with his new spy-program, thanks to Democrats in Congress, and they continue to gibe Bush more money to sustain the war in Iraq.

Rove has to be arrested and convicted. Seriously. If HE doesn't deserve to go to prison, then who does??
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:37 AM
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33. Yes that's the way I see it. Is it as much as I want, NO.
I can actually remember the days of the rubber-stamp Congress, where odious legislation like the Patriot Act would be adopted without anyone reading it.

These days the Bush administration has to spend inordinate amounts of time deflecting criticism, answering to Congressional oversight (stonewalling makes you look guilty) and spending what political capital they have (usually by pushing all-in) just to get an legislative extension or keep an AG.

For those here that see their ONLY HOPE resting with impeachment may I remind you of what Bush recently spoke. He now maintains that Congress needs to spend more of its time on passing funding legislation and LESS on oversight investigation. He wouldn't be saying this if he and the Republicans weren't concerned about what those investigations would reveal and how that might effect the 2008 elections.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:21 AM
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82. What oversight?
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 07:22 AM by proud2Blib
They just caved on FISA. The worst president ever was given unprecedented powers to spy on anyone he wants with no oversight. They refuse to hold him accountable by starting impeachment hearings. Yet you say he is answering to Congressional oversight? Could have fooled me.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:55 AM
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104. Oversight and investigation is good, but nothing much is getting accomplished.
Subpoenas are handed out like candy, but everybody ignores them and... that's that. Bush cites executive privilege and that's it. Nobody is being held accountable. Impeachment IS the only solution. Nothing will get done until Bush and Cheney and Gonzales are impeached.

Just my two cents. :)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:00 AM
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39. Please spare us your divisive, off topic Democrat bashing
Theduckno2 was much more complete with his response. I recommend it.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:50 AM
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100. Please spare me your blackening of people who tell the truth.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #100
123. Your posts have nothing to do with Rove and you are changing the subject to attack Dems
The Rove story has nothing to do with the spying bill and you know it. I have seen this trend around DU of people seeding attacks on Democrats. For what purpose, I don't know. I suspect the worst.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:18 AM
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173. If you don't want to hear the truth, don't come to DU.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
75. Good point
I want to know if Rove is still protected by executive privilege if he no longer works at the WH.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:44 AM
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61. TT just ended his campaign
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/13/tommy_thompson_officially_ends_presidential_bid/

MILWAUKEE -- Former governor Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin is dropping out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, a campaign official said yesterday.

Thompson finished sixth among eleven candidates in this weekend's Republican straw poll in Iowa. He had said before the Iowa event that he would drop out of the race unless he finished first or second. (more....)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:56 AM
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18. Bush already lost his mind. There goes his brain
Does this mean Dubya's body is also on the way out of the White House before 01/20/2009? Same with the evil vampire Dick who hangs from the rafters at the Naval Observatory?




I suspect, maybe, yes. This can only hasten the process.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
:7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7 :7
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:21 AM
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80. LOL! Thanks for posting!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:02 AM
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19. Some one needs to watch where Karl goes after bu$h
Will he work behind the scenes putting the next republicon/neocon puppet in the office?

That is my biggest fear this Monday morning.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:21 AM
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81. Something bigger IS going on...
Has to be. No one gives up that much power and influence for "the family." What assignment has Rove been given for 2008? Like you, I really don't want to think about it either.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #81
180. Maybe it's "The Family" in "The Godfather" sense.
Karl is worse than the bloodiest mobster.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:04 AM
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130. Yeah. But who wants the reputation of Karl's new puppet?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #130
169. Another southern governor?
Mike, I am from Hope Arkansas too, Hukabee?

President Hukabee, that is just such a down home name all the good ol' boys will vote for him, Right?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
244. Setting up the next fascist leader is probably rather important to ALL of these people . . ..
considering all the "secrets" and fascist policies they've put into place and have to have protected --

OR -- they have to find a Democrat to do it for them . . .

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:05 AM
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21. Our Congressional Democrats
are WORTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See....I never doubted their goal and intent because I have patience. History has shown us before that to do it right, you also need not to be impulsive.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:33 PM
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245. You're so right
Our outrage can motivate us, but we have to be more than "right", we have to be smart and persistent. There is no room for impulsive shortcuts. The process has to be thorough, in depth, and legal. Otherwise it could all backfire and set us back years, even decades.

It may be slow, tedious, and often frustrating, but we will prevail if we maintain our focus.
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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:10 AM
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23. Link to WSJ
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118697458949295744.html?mod=googlenews_wsj">Wall Street Journal article about Rove and his departure on August 31, 2007.</a>
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:30 AM
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28. the President's brain is quitting
long overdue - does this mean that he can't claim executive privilege after he quits?
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:43 AM
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60. It doesn't matter
Bush will just pardon him.
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:32 AM
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29. Time to get downer and dirtier.
I know when our candidate finally emerges we'll see that sorry, slimy pile of regurgitation spreading his vile from one corner of our nation to the other. He'll have his little piggy snout up every RNC puppet. Gawd I hate these people.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:33 AM
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31. "Outlaws on the loose, "
"Runnin', runnin from the noose..."

Molly Hatchet
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:33 AM
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32. BIG DEAL
Am I supposed to jump and down for joy now? Unless he is going to prison after he "resigns" (wink wink) it doesn't mean a thing to me. All of this little crap is SO anti-climactic at this point. And where is he going? To watch over the SS when the next big hurricane or other catastrophe strikes and Bush invokes his dictator powers to the max? But this will be the big deal on these blogs today because at this point it is the best we got. How sad.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:39 AM
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34. he will be joining someone's campaign . . Fred's would be my guess
need to steal another election or two
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #34
201. Agree
Thompson is the pre-selected Wall Street/neocon replacement for Bush.
The people who own and operate the United States want another down-home sock puppet who will sign whatever they put in front of him.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #201
212. yep -exactly - certainly do not anyone
with a sense of morals or ethics . . .

and lazy-Fred fits that bill . . . right out of junior's image . . .
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:56 AM
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36. wow.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 05:58 AM by Maine-ah
though it sickens me to say this, but I think he's right about Hillary. Not that I have a solution or a suggustion for another candidate.....

here's what they're (FR) is saying....if you can stand it....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1880365/posts
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:03 AM
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40. Turd is going to find some swing state to manage a campaign to backstop GOP losses next year
He will probably work on a Senate race to keep the Democrats from getting a filibuster-proof majority. I am quite sure that he is going to have plenty of access to the corporate media to get next year's version of the perverted GOP message out to the public.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:05 AM
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43. Must be something in the wind
Like working on Ghouliani's or Romney's campaign?

Or maybe there's a resignation reason he's bowing out...like something he did illegally. Nah, he'd never get caught at something like that.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:29 AM
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181. This was my thought
The day after the straw poll in Iowa revealed that Romney might be viable...

www.scarebaby.com
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:05 AM
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44. WSJ: Rove says he'll resign Aug. 31: Bush was expected to make a statement Monday with Rove.


WASHINGTON Karl Rove, President Bush's close friend and chief political strategist, plans to leave the White House at the end of August, joining a lengthening line of senior officials heading for the exits in the final 1 1/2 years of the administration.


A longtime member of Bush's inner circle, Rove was nicknamed "the architect" by the president for designing the strategy that twice won him the White House.

Bush was expected to make a statement Monday with Rove.

"Obviously it's a big loss to us," White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said. "He's a great colleague, a good friend, and a brilliant mind. He will be greatly missed, but we know he wouldn't be going if he wasn't sure this was the right time to be giving more to his family, his wife Darby and their son. He will continue to be one of the president's greatest friends."

Since Democrats won control of Congress in November, some top administration officials have announced their resignations. Among those who have left are White House counselor Dan Bartlett, budget director Rob Portman, chief White House attorney Harriet Miers, political director Sara Taylor, deputy national security adviser J.D. Crouch and Meghan O'Sullivan, another deputy national security adviser who worked on Iraq. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was forced out immediately after the election as the unpopular war in Iraq dragged on.

Rove is expected to write a book after he leaves.

http://www.ajc.com/health/content/news/stories/2007/08/13/rove_0813.html

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:06 AM
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46. "Obviously it's a big loss to us," White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said.
"Obviously it's a big loss to us," White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said. "He's a great colleague, a good friend, and a brilliant mind. He will be greatly missed, but we know he wouldn't be going if he wasn't sure this was the right time to be giving more to his family, his wife Darby and their son. He will continue to be one of the president's greatest friends."

Since Democrats won control of Congress in November, some top administration officials have announced their resignations. Among those who have left are White House counselor Dan Bartlett, budget director Rob Portman, chief White House attorney Harriet Miers, political director Sara Taylor, deputy national security adviser J.D. Crouch and Meghan O'Sullivan, another deputy national security adviser who worked on Iraq. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was forced out immediately after the election as the unpopular war in Iraq dragged on.

Rove is expected to write a book after he leaves.

http://www.ajc.com/health/content/news/stories/2007/08/13/rove_0813.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:10 AM
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49. "this was the right time to be giving more to his family, his wife Darby and their son."
Bush was expected to make a statement Monday with Rove.

"Obviously it's a big loss to us," White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said. "He's a great colleague, a good friend, and a brilliant mind. He will be greatly missed, but we know he wouldn't be going if he wasn't sure this was the right time to be giving more to his family, his wife Darby and their son. He will continue to be one of the president's greatest friends."
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:04 PM
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260. Wife? Son? that's gotta be a typo n/t
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:08 AM
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47. May he rot and burn in hell
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AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:20 AM
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142. You took the words
right out of my mouth! :hi:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:24 AM
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178. Great minds think alike!
:D
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:28 AM
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51. WSJ: 'The Mark of Rove'


'The Mark of Rove'
By PAUL A. GIGOT
August 13, 2007; Page A15

Washington

These are the days of Republican doubt, with President Bush fighting an unpopular war, Congress in opposition hands, and a 2008 presidential field trailing Democrats in nearly every poll. But don't tell that to Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's political alter ego, who even as he prepares to resign from the White House after six and a half years sees recovery ahead.

Sitting in the book-lined living room of his townhome on Saturday afternoon, a relaxed, cheerful and typically rambunctious Mr. Rove hands over two sheets of paper on which he has tapped out a pair of outlines. One says "Up to Now," and summarizes what he thinks are the achievements to date of the Bush presidency. The second, "Months Ahead," lays out an agenda for the next year and a half.

"He will move back up in the polls," says Mr. Rove, who interrupts my reference to Mr. Bush's 30% approval rating by saying it's heading close to "40%," and "higher than Congress."

Looking ahead, he adds, "Iraq will be in a better place" as the surge continues. Come the autumn, too, "we'll see in the battle over FISA" -- the wiretapping of foreign terrorists -- "a fissure in the Democratic Party." Also in the fall, "the budget fight will have been fought to our advantage," helping the GOP restore, through a series of presidential vetoes, its brand name on spending restraint and taxes.

As for the Democrats, "They are likely to nominate a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate" by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Holding the White House for a third term is always difficult given the pent-up desire for change, he says, but "I think we've got a very good chance to do so."

If that quinella pays off, however, Mr. Rove will have to savor it from somewhere other than his West Wing office. He's resigning effective Aug. 31 -- 14 years after he began working with Mr. Bush on his campaign for Texas governor, 10 years after they began planning a White House run, and after 79 months in the political cockpit of a tumultuous presidency.
...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118697458949295744.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:31 AM
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54. ..Mr. Rove doesn't say, though others do, that this timing also allows him to leave on his own terms




...Mr. Rove doesn't say, though others do, that this timing also allows him to leave on his own terms. He has survived a probe by a remorseless special counsel, and lately a subpoena barrage from Democrats for whom he is the great white whale. He shows notable forbearance in declining to comment on prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who dragged him through five grand jury appearances. He won't even disclose his legal bills, except to quip that "every one has been paid" and that "it was worth every penny."

What about those who say he's leaving to avoid Congressional scrutiny? "I know they'll say that," he says, "But I'm not going to stay or leave based on whether it pleases the mob." He also knows he'll continue to be a target, even from afar, since belief in his influence over every Administration decision has become, well, faith-based.

"I'm a myth. There's the Mark of Rove," he says, with a bemused air. "I read about some of the things I'm supposed to have done, and I have to try not to laugh." He says the real target is Mr. Bush, whom many Democrats have never accepted as a legitimate president and "never will."

It is his long and personal relationship with Mr. Bush that has made Mr. Rove arguably the most influential White House aide of modern times. The president calls him to chat about politics on Sunday mornings, and they have a contest to see who can read the most books. (Mr. Rove is winning.) I've known Mr. Rove for 19 years and spoken to him hundreds of times. Yet I can't recall a single instance where he disclosed how his views differed from Mr. Bush's. Mr. Bolten hasn't decided on a replacement, and Mr. Rove's duties may yet be divided up.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:33 AM
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117. So, he thinks "We, the people" are the "mob"? Very unsurprising to see such hubris.
MKJ
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:28 AM
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87. no way near 40 percent--Rove in denial about that
Being in denial never helps. I think this is telling--that he's either missed or is bluffing about the true degree to which Americans disapprove of bush:

...my reference to Mr. Bush's 30% approval rating by saying it's heading close to "40%," and "higher than Congress."

This link shows the recent poll results. You take a look for yourself. There is no way his claim is substantiated by this compilation of polls:

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

Furthermore, his statement that Congressional approval ratings are lower than bush's begs the question. A very logical reason for Congressional approval ratings being so low is that the Congress has not done an effective job of standing up to these usurpers of democracy.



Cher
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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:29 AM
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52. He's like athlete's foot
You never really get rid of it.
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Administrator1 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:33 AM
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55. Ode to Karl
Mission Nearly Accomplished

"It's best that you be leavin', Karl,"
Said Richard with his custom snarl.

"I'm on my way. Don't worry, Dick.
Election's coming. Must be quick.
I'll find another way to screw 'em.
They won't know what happened to 'em."

"You know your orders? Got the plan?"
said Dick as he gave Karl his hand.

"Yes, Sir, I've got the plan right here.
My mission, Sir, is very clear:
To rove this land from sea to sea,
And finish off democracy."

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:10 AM
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198. Good one! Welcome to DU!
Anyone who takes this departure at face value is a lamb being led to the slaughter.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:35 AM
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56. FAUX news must be having a hissy fit with Rove giving his pomp to the WSJ.
After all they did for him.
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MikePorter Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:53 AM
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102. Not so much...
now that Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. owns the WSJ.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:55 AM
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210. Welcome to DU!
Maybe he was just giving the WSJ a nice forward thrust as a reward. He knew Pox Noise would get it, too. And I bet he's been in talks with roger ailes, also. Watch THAT space, for SURE. That would be a huge asset to their TV lineup to bring him on as a paid consultant. Talk about marquee value for the great unwashed - that "golden" 26 percent!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:36 AM
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57. He must be gearing up to steal another election. nt
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:04 AM
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66. Exactly! Rove now moves to his new job as the man behind ...
the curtain in the Foghorn Beauregard Thompson campaign.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:40 PM
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267. LOL! Foghorn and Mittens ("Small Varmints") Romney on the same ticket?
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blueridgeliving Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:38 AM
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58. ...and he's OUTTA HERE!
Thank you for the absolute best news one could possibly receive on a Monday morning. Well....except maybe that Impeachment proceedings had begun....oh, and perhaps that the planes had started flying to bring the troops home.....and then there's the whole Pakistan/Afghan thing.... But still grand news, just the same!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:26 AM
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84. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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blueridgeliving Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:51 PM
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224. Thanks, that's very neighborly of you!
Hey, thanks - that was my very first post! And my initiation was about ROVE LEAVING WHITE HOUSE, too! Not too shabby of a way to get started.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:22 AM
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176. Hi there! Let's move the furniture out to the walls so we can do the Happy Dance.
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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blueridgeliving Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:53 PM
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228. ...or we can just bounce around on our butt cheeks...
...in our chairs and dance that way. I'm too lazy to actually "move furniture" but I'll damn sure dance with you!

Nice pic.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:48 AM
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63. "The president calls him to chat about politics on Sunday mornings..."
And he still will. Karl's but a phone call away.

The one campaign he Won't be joining is TOMMY Thompson's, who threw in the towel this morning. Like he ever stood a chance in the first place. :eyes:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:58 AM
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64. Omg. The question is why.


Something huge must be going on for Rove to leave Bush. I wonder, if there are things in the myriad of investigations uncovered, we are yet to be told about...

I am sure there is MUCH MUCH more to this story.


Getting out the :popcorn:
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:09 AM
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109. He wants his office back in the Thompson WH. nt
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:33 AM
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148. Larry Flint maybe?
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:33 PM
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257. Much, much more!
Everything is starting to unravel. The old-timers in congress are pros and now that they have the power to investigate and hold hearings, they're going to be tenacious and unrelenting. They've got "something" and Rove knows it.
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krj44 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:59 AM
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65. this is blowing smoke,
he will be working behind the scenes with more liberty to do as he pleases,more illegal trash then ever,more dirt and did you catch that fatally flawed clinton,he`s right on the money,if the rethugs had a candidate they could blow clinton away.clinton better slap gen. clark on that ticket to cover her ass or we will be looking at 4 more years of rethug rule.rove has targeted 28 dems that are vunerable,doesn`t sound to me like he`s shutting it down.if you want to win you have to get into the gutter just like the rethug bastards,take nothing for granted.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:12 AM
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73. Don't think you're veiled threat to Sen. Clinton was missed.
MKJ
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:28 AM
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86. Yeah I missed it
What veiled threat?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:38 AM
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90. This one
"they could blow Clinton away".

MKJ
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:45 AM
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95. Rove said that
I thought you were claiming the poster here made a veiled threat.

Sorry if I misunderstood.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:07 AM
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108. To be honest, because the post has
no punctuation amid run on sentences, it was pretty hard to tell. I took from it that the poster him/herself was talking about the Republicans as they "blow away" the candidate, ostensibly as a rhetorical statement, however, the "slap" Wes Clark on her ticket to cover her "ass" was not much better.

MKJ
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:03 AM
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128. Thank you for your concern.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:18 AM
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141. I agree with you
he is running away, he is going away to run things from behind the curtain. Romney's campaign with Jeb as VP is my prediction.

Thar's money to be made from them thar Mormons and a power base not yet abused and taken advantage of and forgotten.

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krj44 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:10 AM
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166. i agree with you,
jeb will solidify the rethug ticket.
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me9399 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:45 PM
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250. maybe...
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 01:46 PM by me9399
don't forget the religious right haven't forgiven him because he didn't do enough to "save" Terri Schivao.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:06 AM
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67. Good early birthday present.
Although I wonder what fresh, new hell he'll start somewhere else. Personally, I thought Gonzo would go first.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:08 AM
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69. I'm glad he at least realizes this
From the WSJ article:

He says the real target is Mr. Bush, whom many Democrats have never accepted as a legitimate president and "never will."

When you maneuver a judicial coup or outright steal the office, you will never have legitimacy.
Never, ever, ever. I have never once called bush "President." Not once, not ever, nor will I ever in the future.



Cher
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:09 AM
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70. So Rove gets to just walk away like Rumsfeld...
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 07:10 AM by Solly Mack
Why is he leaving? What is he really up to?


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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:09 AM
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71. Good Riddance!!!!!
I don't know what the * White house will look like without rove, but I definitely look forward to it.
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:27 AM
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85. The White House Won't Look Different
but it'll sure smell better. I hope whatever cave he flaps off to has laid in a goodly supply of Febreeze.

I don't buy that 'more time with the family' crap. Unless they mean the Republican crime family.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:10 AM
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72. NOW you know why they're ramming Hillary down our throats...
ADD:

Rove said he expects Democrats to give the 2008 presidential nomination to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, whom he described as "a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate."

+

He also said Republicans have "a very good chance" to hold onto the White House in next year's elections.


Just what I've been saying. KKKarl isn't even bothering to lie about it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:29 AM
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88. BINGO!
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:23 AM
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202. I'll say "Bingo", too
although I've always felt that way. Hillary was "the front runner" long before people were even thinking about '08. Repukes said it so often, that now it's accepted as fact, and the people seem to be following along. I agree with his assessment of her, and if she isn't "fatally flawed", she will be by the time he gets done with her. UNLESS there is another reason he's leaving, and there could be many.

He could have lost a fight with Cheney, which to me would be the scariest reason - Rove's not the warmonger Cheney is. He could have some more legal problems on the way - the reason I'm hoping for, or he could just be leaving to begin helping destroy the dem candidates. The only thing I'm sure of is it's not to spend more time with his family.



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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:39 PM
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275. Hmm, "lost a fight with Cheney." That's interesting.
Dim Son always seems "off," but he was really off during his pre-vacation press conference. And during that interview with Cavuto where he said something like, "IF the bridges need repaired...". I'm still stumped as to how to describe his demeanor (need to dig up some threads) because it seemed to go beyond his normal contempt/slouching/arrogance. Perhaps he was spanked by Cheney, Rove is now out (although he'll still be up to his nefarious deeds), and Dim Son ran to the safety of Mommy and Daddy where he was all smiles for the camera and President Sarkozy.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:52 PM
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227. And I'll raise your Bingo.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:16 PM
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237. He KNOWS that corporate America will make her the nominee
one way or another they'll have one of their own in the White House.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:16 AM
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76. The Myth of Karl Rove
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 07:26 AM by erpowers
There really is a myth about Karl Rove; however, the myth does not involved things he was supposed to have done but did not do. The myth of Rove deal with him being credited with being better than he actually is. This morning Chris Matthews gave Rove credit for using supposed Clinton fatigue to help Bush win in 2000. The problem with that is that Al Gore won the general election by 500,000 votes. In addition, although Rove did seem to accomplish things he is and was beatable, people just did not take him on as much as they should have.

On another note I do not believe Rove is leaving because he would have had to committ to 16 more months if he stayed after Labor Day. I also do not believe Rove wants to spend more time with his family. I contend the Republican and Bush have realized how much of a drag Rove will be on the Republican ticket and have decided to get rid of him before election time. I contend the Republicans feel getting rid of Rove is one of the only things they can do if they hope to even have a chance against whoever becomes the Democratic Candidate.

Finally, I contend Rove's remarks about Hillary Clinton are just meant to scare Democrats. Rove is realizing that Clinton has the ability to get the women's vote and can come out on top of all the Republican contenders. Rove is now realizing how hard it will be to win in 2008 and are now trying to scare Democrats.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:16 AM
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139. I agree, Rove is given too much credit...
We must remember that Gore won in 2000, only to be denied the White House due to 5 Bush toadies on the Supreme Court. And Bush "won" in 2004 due to secret Republican code on secret Republican voting machines owned by Republican companies run by Republicans who had publicly announced they would do their best to deliver votes to Republicans. Rove had nothing to do with either one of these "victories."

Rove is a thug, a liar, and a cheat. If thuggery, lying, and cheating is welcomed in American politics, then we must give him his due. But, I suspect a vast majority of Americans will see (and do see) the folly of this course of action and will reject this kind of politics for one based on debate and compromise. After all, if Rove is such a genius, then the Democrats would not have won so handedly last November.

I suspect Rove et al see something on the horizon that will prove to be Rove's downfall. He's too much a egotist and power monger to bow out now for "family reasons."
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:39 AM
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91. Great new. The bastard hears the hounds baying at his heels.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:43 AM
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93. Rove is not immune from subpoenas even in Texas
In Texas, however, he will be much closer to
the Mexican border, should he feel a sudden
need to to buy a one-way ticket to Cuernavaca.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:43 AM
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94. that bastard ain't going anywhere
the heat is getting so close so he is running to Texas but he will just be operating bush's puppet strings remontely
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:47 AM
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96. First Bush lost his pet poodle; now he's losing his brain...
but at least he still has his dick!
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:50 AM
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97. Prezident Bush loses his mind.
again
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:50 AM
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98. lol! Rove sees a HUGE repug loss comin next election and wants
to separate himself from it as being apart of HIS legacy. Too late, fathead, you are TOTALLY a reason for the coming dem sweep. So thanks! And don't let the door hit you in the arse....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:43 PM
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247. Possibly after this last election, Rove was on his way out -- ????? And it took this long????
Maybe you can't steal all of the elections all of the time . . . ???
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:44 PM
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248. Keep in mind, VOTESCAM has been going on since mid-late 1960's . . . and it took all this time
to get the word out -- !!!!

See: VOTESCAM website . . . from the book --
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:50 AM
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99. Thanks to the miracle
of modern technology you can live anywhere and still be an enemy of the U.S.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:52 AM
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101. Rove to resign
Source: AP

Karl Rove, President Bush's close friend and chief political strategist, plans to leave the White House at the end of August, joining a lengthening line of senior officials heading for the exits in the final 1 1/2 years of the administration. -snip

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/rove_resigning;_ylt=ApQhxzmn1kykX6x1pNmPa86s0NUE
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:55 AM
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103. I'll believe it when I see it!
Until then, I'll STILL carry a wooden stake and a vial of holy water with me just in case...
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 07:56 AM
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105. Wow! Blink your eyes and you miss it. I hadn't been off of DU for 5 minutes and this happens! n/t
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:03 AM
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106. can you say
packing for Paraguay?


i knew you could.
dp
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:37 AM
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118. He'll be playing poker with Kenny Boy in the Carribbean on Sept. 1st.
Or maybe he took his legal fees fund and bought a home on the Palms in Dubai.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:17 AM
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113. He thought he was serving his country, but then
he got a look at the "long-buried," now outed Cheney video. OOPs, it wasn't about COUNTRY after all, just Cheney's opportunistic change of mind, and now everyone knows it, for sure.

The imaginings seem endless: Time to go hunt up a less obvious neo-PATRIOT to advise. Can't help but wonder just what FIX is in????????????? Like football's 2-minute drill=A Ninety Day Miracle.

Reminder to self: The rats that jump carry plague.

Poor Tony--hiking up the stress, i.e, dealing with a brainless BUSH could kill him! It's a damn shame that one doesn't spend more time, while he's got it, with his family.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:24 AM
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115. Rove Is Going To Texas Because--
I suspect that Rove is heading to Texas because he thinks that it'll be easier to get out of the country when the stuff finally hits the fan.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:44 AM
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119. Emptywheel's Guesses On Why Rove Resigned
Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Emptywheel's Guesses On Why Rove Resigned
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1575090#1575090
1575090, Emptywheel's Guesses On Why Rove Resigned
Posted by kpete on Mon Aug-13-07 07:49 AM

My Guesses on Why Rove Resigned
by emptywheel


The Sheriff Is Coming


.........................

Rove is leaving just three steps ahead of one of the many sheriffs that have him in their sites. These include:

The Abramoff Investigation

We know Rove is tied in with everyone tied in with the Abramoff inevstigattion. We know that Susan Ralston, Rove's Assistant was closely involved--and it appears that she has been refused immunity, even though some of her testimony about Abramoff appears to be quite interesting. Novak, at least, thinks Ralston would get to Rove. So it's possible that Rove is one of the ultimate targets of the Abramoff investigation.

The OSC Investigation

This is easy. We know Rove is a target of the OSC investigation into the politicization of anything and everything in the entire government. We know he did, in fact, politicize anything and everything. The ultimate outcome of an OSC investigation would consist of Scott Bloch explaining that Rove did politicize anything and everything and recommending that Bush should fire him, but then to have Bush sit on that recommendation as he has with Lurita Doan. But perhaps Rove is leaving anyway, in an attempt to prevent us all from learning how closely our government resembles that of a one-party state, like maybe the old Soviet Union.

The Iglesias Investigation

But I'm most interested in the possibility that Rove is rushing out just two steps ahead of the Iglesias investigation. HJC is collecting a great deal of evidence that DOJ employees covered up the real reasons for the Iglesias firing ... and that the real reason for the firing had everything to do with politicizing the judiciary. It not only has evidence that Will Moschella, Paul McNulty, and Alberto Gonzales lied about the reasons for Iglesias' firing, it appears that Moschella, at least, is getting downright cooperative (and note, McNulty is going to be out of DOJ at almost the same time as Rove will be out of the WH).

If this is the reason Rove is quitting, it's not just that BushCo wants him out before he's officially indicted. After all, it's not just Rove--but Bush, too--who was involved in firing Iglesias. So Rove may be leaving as part of a firewall approach in an attempt to save Bush. If it comes to it, Rove may admit to having Iglesias fired in an attempt to politicize the entire judiciary to hide the fact that--in this specific case, at least--but was involved in that process, too.

more at:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/08/three-guesses-w.html#more
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:45 AM
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120. What a guy
F*cks up the whole country and walks away. A criminal without a conscious. He figured out how to rig the vote and got away with it.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:45 AM
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121. I won't believe it until Leopold reports it. -nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:52 AM
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122. His Paraguay estate must be finished. nt
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:56 AM
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125. Guess he has to go to work on his dirty stunts for the
2008 election steal! Needs to sharpen his claws!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:04 AM
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He didn't think the Dems would win in 2006 either, did he? n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:04 AM
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129. Right. He'll leave like an STD will leave.....
:argh:
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:05 AM
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131. Rove is like a bad penny, or Chalabi.
He's always gonna be "around".:puke:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:12 AM
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133.  Rove says he was not forced to quit
Source: CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Karl Rove said Monday his resignation as President Bush's senior political adviser was not forced and that he plans to spend his post-White House career writing a book and teaching.

Karl Rove was dubbed by President Bush as "the architect."

Perhaps Bush's most powerful White House aide, Rove submitted his resignation to Bush on Friday, he told CNN's Suzanne Malveaux in an e-mail.

When asked for his reaction to those who say he's being "run out of town," Rove responded, "That sounds like the rooster claiming to have called up the sun."



Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/13/rove.resign/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:12 AM
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134. Considering that Rove quit school to work for Don Segretti...
Which wingnut "school" will hire him to teach?

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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:12 AM
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136. The Pat Robinson school of law.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:36 AM
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150. Or Liberty U?
I suppose the opportunities are endless for KKKarl.

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:12 AM
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135. Wow, so Bolten didn't give him the "ultimatum"?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:12 AM
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137. further in the article...
<snip>

But one of Bush's most trusted advisers claimed his hand was forced when Bolten announced that any senior staff working past Labor Day would be expected to stay on until the end of Bush's term.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:40 AM
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153. And You Believe This Stuff?? Rove PROBABLY Thought Up That Line
to begin with... DIRECTED Bolten to make the statement and THEY are ALL laughing their asses off if ANYONE really thinks Rove is going to remove himself from RUINING this country further!!

Have we not learned ANYTHING YET???? I bet everyone at the WH is checking EVERY single Democratic or Independent Blog for reaction!

Well, here's to you Red Roiver... LIAR, LIAR Pants on FIRE! I wish I may I wish I might, I wish you'd remove yourself from our sight!

Folks, this guy is the REAL DAMIEN!!


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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:55 PM
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252. Yeah, but he has a bad case of hubris. Which would seem to mean that he very much wants to leave an
impression that HE alone controls his destiny.

So, anything suggestive of others telling him what to do will get a quick response in the negative from dough boy. MKJ
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:12 AM
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138. forgive me for leaving the house yesterday but when did this happen?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:50 AM
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160. He likens himself to a celstial body at the center of our solar system?
Can anyone say ego?

Nice one, karl, but consider that your analogy puts you in space and leaves the rooster alive and well right here on Earth.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:17 AM
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140. don't believe it. He will continue to be an active force in the background
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he is jumping on board with the rudy campaign

The better question is, will Congress pursue him to testify before Congress?

I wouldn't be on that either


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EnricoFermi Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:21 AM
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143. Bush Alone


Bored, and was inspired to make this in the limited amount of time I had. Sorry about the blurred images and poor quality. I have to get to work.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:21 AM
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144. don't panic: it's just time to switch over to working for the RNC again
does it every election cycle
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:32 AM
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147. He must have read the
Atlantic Monthly article that just came out a few days ago. Called the Rove Presidency and it pinned him to a wall. If you can read it please do.

The Rove Presidency

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200709/karl-rove
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:33 AM
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149. Going in the shadows to steal 2008 - like Karen Hughes did with 2004
These criminals never let go of power...Richard Perle never left either.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:40 AM
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152. Rove endorses HRC as the only worthy opponent. News at 11. n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:49 AM
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159. Spot ON!!! Rover Has Probably Been Collecting REAMS & REAMS
of information for the SMEAR! Truth or not, you can rest assured that these people won't STOP until "swift-boating" looks like a riding a tube down the Peace River!!

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times... the Repukes want Hillary Clinton roasted AND tarred! JUST WATCH!!

Even though I'm not a supporter of Clinton, this has been a strategy they've pursued since Bill Clinton was elected! THIS was my FIRST reason for not supporting Hillary Clinton, others have followed, but mark my words... THE SHOW IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!!!

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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:17 AM
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171. The *real* show won't begin until after the primary.
They don't want to say anything that might jeopardize their plans.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:30 AM
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182. Again I Agree... Let MSM Keep Anointing Clinton... Then Begin
Stage One! There is NO reason that I can see that these people will EVER cry "Uncle!" And what is even MORE unfortunate is that DEMOCRATS even when elected still have blinders on!

I don't like "playing dirty" but if you don't want to be taken down, I guess they had better get into the mud with them! Personally, even though I will vote if she gets the election, THAT'S all I'll do! I've stopped working locally AND other than blogging I don't see much else I can do.

I've gone to too many meetings, signed too many petitions, worked on too many campaigns, walked in too many Marches, donated far too much money and STILL here we sit! Barring a Revolution I've found my voice doesn't mean a thing!


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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:19 PM
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256. Yep, the media have been pushing Hillary Clinton on us

for years because she's the person the GOP most wants to run against.

Anyone who thinks of the Clintons as Democrats should recall that Bill is fast friends with Poppy Bush. Bar has even called him "another son," which makes him a brother to Dubya, Jeb, Neil, and oh, hell, who's the other one? The guy who owns the security firm that "secured" the World Trade Center so well. Marvin, that's it. Neil, remember, was one of the bad guys in the Savings & Loan scandal which robbed thousands, maybe millions, of Americans while enriching guys like Neil. Now he makes educational software targeted to help schools meet the "No Child Left Behind" law his brother mandate but doesn't fund. And I think everyone knows how Jeb helped steal enough votes in Florida to make it possible for SCOTUS to hand Dubya the Oval Office.

Another Clinton presidency would be farther to the right than the first one, and never forget that Bill gave us NAFTA, which even Poppy wouldn't push.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:41 AM
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154. Resigning to spend more time with his....DEFENSE TEAM, perhaps? NT
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:47 AM
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156. Yawn--so he'll just start operating behind the scenes again
Just like Rumsfeld and God knows who else.

:boring:
rocknation
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:47 AM
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157. I wake up to Democracy Now, Best news in a long time. Now to Jail with him
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:48 AM
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158. American voters dislike Rove, so they think that by
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 09:49 AM by tblue37
moving him underground--like Cheney in his undisclosed location--they will lessen the Republican Party's negatives. But he will still be running things. Rove is like Cheney. The two of them are always running things--and ruining things.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:02 PM
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215. I took as another rat jumping ship.
Everyone except DUH-bya would come out smelling like a rose. And the "legacy" can crash and burn solo.

The report said Chimpy looked solemn about the whole thing. I think he's being abandoned. What say you?

:shrug:
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:53 AM
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163. Bush did say he'd fire the leaker
And maybe Rove did turn state's evidence. And maybe what Carville predicted has come to pass: people won't say Karl Rove's name without spitting.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:54 AM
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164. good chance my ass
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:55 AM
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165. thank GAWD
but there should be no rest for this man. prosecute, prosecute, prosecute.

finally he's leaving. but he needs to go to jail.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:12 AM
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168. Rove: Hillary Clinton,``a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate.''nt/
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:15 AM
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170. Martin Lewis on Huffington Post: "Give Karl Rove The Ultimate Gift!"
Give the gift that will eclipse Rove's election "victories" of 2000 and 2004.

A staggering landslide against the diseased politics of personal destruction so successfully prosecuted by Rove.

---

There is no point in us crying over the spilled milk of Rove's "electoral" achievements. The man who learned all about the electoral process as a young acolyte of Richard Nixon loyalist Donald Segretti (the CREEP operative who proudly called his campaign tricks "rat-fucking") -- and as a colleague of Lee Atwater -- was wickedly cunning and successful. The eight-year aberrant interregnum of George W. Bush is a crime for which Rove will have to answer to his maker for.

While Donald Segretti was convicted for his Watergate crimes and landed in prison -- and Lee Atwater had the good grace to repent for his sins before succumbing to a brain tumor -- Rove is retiring intact and with nothing serious threatening his future apart from his ever-expanding waistline. But as the plump Gauleiter of the Bush era retires to the Texas where he first learned to apply slime and mud in pursuit of power, the final chapter in his story has not yet been written.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/give-karl-rove-the-ultima_b_60154.html
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:28 AM
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179. He will be sharpening his knives for '08 though.
Watch out here folks. I'm sure Rove will be spending A LOT of time sharpening his knives for '08 now that he'll be free from his White House job. He'll be working hard for the R's and is already working up strategy on how to take back Congress and keep the White House. Admittedly he's savvy as hell. Kerry lost last time only because Rove ran a better campaign for Bush. (Kerry would have won if he'd had a better campaign. His was wishy washy and wimpy until too close to the end. He and his people should have jammed it to Bush and Rove HARD!)

So get ready for a rumble folks. It's gonna be one hell of fight! But a very winnable one. WE CAN AND MUST DEFEAT ROVE AND THE R's IN '08.
WE MUST UNITE LIKE HELL AND RALLY AROUND OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND ALL OF OUR CANDIDATES LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!!! NO MORE REPUBLICAN RULE IN WASHINTON!!!!
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:45 AM
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191. Oh man, that is probably the most logical answer. Sick.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:29 PM
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278. We beat him in 2006, in spite of his super secret polling numbers.
Indicating a Republcan sweep.

:-) MKJ
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:44 AM
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189. I don't think he'll work OPENLY for the GOP candidates or nominee--
that would just be plain stupid. Everyone sorta knows his tricks by now, and no one would want to be tied too closely to the Chimpster way of doing things. I'm sure he'll keep quietly pulling some strings somewhere, until the law finally (hopefully) catches up with him. The book deal will cover his legal fees. We're giving him too much credit--he's not a genius, just willing to fight dirtier and sneakier than Democrats. He helped drive the GOP into the ground. I don't think they're going to be shedding too many tears as he walks away from the wreckage.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:00 AM
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197. As they say in the Mafia...He like many others in this administration
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 11:02 AM by ooglymoogly
are going to the mattresses to direct the annihilation of the opposition.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:19 AM
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200. He will still have is input behind the scene.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 11:21 AM by smiley_glad_hands
He operates best in the shadows.

On edit: He quite possibly still has his hands on the election machinery. You think the network he has built will just up and disapear?
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:40 AM
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203. What a wonderful way to start the day!
Yaahooo!!!

It's going to be a great week!

One down, several to go.

:party: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :party:
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:41 AM
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204. Sorry...this doesn't make any sense at all. Why now?
The timing is strange. Not like he is really under the gun for anything.. I'm really at a loss as to why now? Maybe there isn't much else to be done here...congress pretty much gave them FISA, he's covered on the 'executive priviledge' thing...so it seems.... This just smells to high heaven... can't figure what's in it for * and Karl by this.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:13 PM
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255. I'm thinking maybe they released this news on a Mon. (instead of in the Fri. "dump")
to give it more play - because Bush has no intentions of letting Gonzales go
until Bush's term is up, so Rove volunteered to "leave" now, to give Dems something
to feel good about.

Bush doesn't need Rove now - no more elections for him - so he's donated him
to the party, to gain some of that famous 'political capitol' he's squandered and
depleted. By turning Rove back over to the tribe, Bush hopes his altruism will garner
some favor from all the Repubs who've turned and are turning against him!

Whaddya think?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:42 AM
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205. Na na na... na na na... hey hey hey... GOOD BYE!!!
So long Rove! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:44 AM
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206. I think someone on the other thread got it right. A scandal is about to erupt.
and Rove needs to be distanced from the WH before it does.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:45 PM
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249. That was my first reaction
Something is about to erupt, accompanying by some bogus terrorist alert.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:54 AM
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208. SO WHAT?? THIS ISN'T ANY KIND OF VICTORY AT ALL.
This is not any kind of victory. Rove is gearing up for the 2008 race. His formally leaving the white house helps Bush in the public light, but Rove is still free to provide the EXACT SAME SERVICES HE ALWAYS HAS in private.

The only victory would be a criminal conviction and jail time for Rove. That would do something to stop his work. As it stands, he's just changing locations, doing the exact same work he always has, only now he can do it almost totally outside of the light of media scrutiny.

Yet another win for the White House.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:56 AM
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213. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, KKKarl.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I would wish that this freak would catch a VERY BAD SOCIAL DISEASE in his rendezvouses with Gannon and have a lingering, painful death estranged from family and friends, but that would be uncharitable. I'm sure the Karma Fairy has a treat or two in store for him anyway.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:00 PM
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214. Can he be made to testify Sept. 1?
He can't hide behind the mantra.....
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:16 PM
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238. His evil energy won't go away until he's dead. He's going to be behind
the scenes so he can do more. Believe me, he'll be able to get much more done. His job will be to ensure that the Repug. of their choice gets in in '08 to cover up the abhorrent activities they engaged in and to further their neo-con agenda both domestically and through out the world. His obession isn't money, it's power. He's as addicted to power as a herion addict is to smack and I'm not exaggerating one bit. God help us all.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:41 PM
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258. Contrary to what he believes he IS mortal.
No one lives forever, unless of course he is Satan himself!

It is all just a big game for him and winning at any cost is his mantra.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:12 PM
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216. Leaves with his teeny tiny tail
'tween his chubby widdle legs. Now if the Dems would just FIGHT and take advantage of this situation.

I think I may have a 'GOOD RIDDANCE' PARTY on August 31!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:14 PM
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217. When Rove leaves his position he will no longer be able to claim White House immunity
...so congress can grab the little shit by his curly tail on the way out of the White House!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:34 PM
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218. Um... the term's up one year after he leaves, he can go 7, but for his "family"
he has to step down just before it's over? WTF?

sounds like he's fleeing the sinking ship - does he think that will protect him? will it?
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:39 PM
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219. Rove describes Hillary as "Fatally Flawed"?
How the hell would he describe Shrub?
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:39 PM
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220. Hope the door doesn't hit him in the ginormous ass on the way out!
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:41 PM
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221. He Already Did All the Damage....................n/t
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:52 PM
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225. Who is he trying to fool. You can't quit the Mob!
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blueridgeliving Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:06 PM
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233. OUCH!
I wish I'd said that.....
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:56 PM
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229. Another criminal walks away thanks to the democrat cowards in congress
nothing has changed so forget the celebration.
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blueridgeliving Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:11 PM
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263. Sure something "has changed"
...mainly that the White House now houses one less stinking pile of shit. I'd say that was cause for "celebration."
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:01 PM
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231. I still want to see him frog marched out
of the white house along with gonzo and put in jail. Throw Cheney in the mix and I will celebrate forever.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:13 PM
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236. He must know the indictment is coming.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 09:01 AM
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279. Don't they say politicians only work a few minutes a day?
If so, the 24 business hours might be up just about now. I think you may be on to something.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:17 PM
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239. Maybe Nancy flashed him
and he got scared.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:22 PM
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241. Real Reason: He doesn't feel capable of dealing with the Sept. report.
And he knows it's all downhill from there.

A rat deserting a sinking ship.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:30 PM
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243. Nov elections coming up and bush ratings down.
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 01:31 PM by superconnected
affecting all repukes. Time to oust someone.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 01:35 PM
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246. Isn't he fair game now?
No longer under the umbrella of "executive privilege", or will that extend to anyone and all things that have ever worked with this administration?
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:07 PM
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253. nope
he claims he will STILL be under that priviledge and besides... i see this as a way for them to pardon him....
we should still wait until shrub is outa office before we persue legal actions
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 02:44 PM
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259. Couple reasons, maybe

1. It is illegal to campaign while working on federal payroll and time. This frees him up, to unleash his slime upon the election process.

2. Bush will look more like the "compassionate Conservative", softening the Rethuglican image.

3. If he is indited, there still would be time to pardon him.

4. Probably will be paid by GOP (GOD-AWFUL OLD PRICKS), and only a phone call away for advising bush.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:01 PM
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276. All I know is justice must be served at some point
I don't care if it takes until the bastard is 100 years old. He CANNOT be allowed to get away with what he's done.

Too many times in the past we've turned a blind eye to the bullshit these sort of people committ and that was a huge mistake.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:09 PM
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262. Evil
will the gutless dems let this evil bastard off the hook?
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:11 PM
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264. Big deal
I wanted that tubby bastard dragged out kicking and screaming. This is no victory.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:17 PM
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265. FAMILY?????
You mean leaving for his rethuglican family mafia! he will be, with the newfound permission to wiretap at will or hide behind false executive privilege to break the law at will, deep in a protected location in TX wiretapping all the senators & congressmen from a disclosed location, finding out all the good on them and working for the republican nominee in the spring to help them win, and to gain back congress by spilling as much dirt as he can on anyone regardless if it's just twisted information... I don't trust them as far as I can see them! And even then I don't trust them!


He's not going anywhere, just back to the actual place they really run the country from - TX!
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:44 PM
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268. Hartmann was talking this morning about the millions
of dollars that Rove will make in the real world selling his
access to Bush over the next 16 monthts.

This is so unsatisfying. I wanted the frog march, dammit.

:grr:
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 03:54 PM
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269. Nothing will change...
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:17 PM
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271. Bush adviser says he'll leave to spend more time with his boyfriend.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:22 PM
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272.  Rove leaves more second-term blues for White House
Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Rove leaves more second-term blues for White House
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2952448#2952448
2952448, Rove leaves more second-term blues for White House
Posted by rodeodance on Mon Aug-13-07 04:21 PM

Source: reuters




Rove leaves more second-term blues for White House

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
Reuters
Monday, August 13, 2007; 3:41 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The resignation of Karl Rove, architect of President George W. Bush's election triumphs and a crucial behind-the-scenes policy guru, is the latest sign of the White House's diminished agenda and shattered dreams of a Republican super-majority, analysts said.

...........

With Democrats in control of Congress and brimming with optimism about the 2008 White House race, Rove's talk of a lasting and historic shift to Republican dominance seems long ago.
..........

BUSH ISOLATED
..........

But White House spokesman Tony Snow said Rove's resignation was not a sign the administration was starting to count down the days to the end on January 20, 2009.

"If you take a look, the president's got a pretty aggressive domestic agenda and there's a lot of stuff to be done on foreign policy," Snow said. "As the president has said many times, he's going to sprint to the tape."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/13/AR2007081300791.html?tid=informbox
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:24 PM
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273. "Goodbye, good riddance," Democratic presidential contender John Edwards said in a statement.
"The idea you could govern by appealing to the Republican base was simply wrong," Jillson said. "The independents drifted away until all they had was the base."

Rove told reporters traveling to Texas with the president he viewed November's election results as a temporary setback for Republicans. He said he would not take an "official" role with any 2008 Republican presidential campaign, but left the door open for an unofficial consulting position.

Democrats, happy to see Rove go, condemned him for increasing political partisanship and divisiveness in Washington.

"Goodbye, good riddance," Democratic presidential contender John Edwards said in a statement.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:29 PM
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274. Darn.When he finally gets frog-marched, it won't be out of the White House!
"More time with his family" my ass.

I won't be doing my Schadenfreude Dance until I see more evidence of an actual downfall for the pasty evil git.

Hekate

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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 01:31 PM
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281. Next will be Gonzales
Then, we will be getting somewhere.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 01:30 PM
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280. It's a good thing because..
he maybe will put his tired ideas on to the Repuke nominee for President.
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