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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:44 PM
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Bush Commutes Libby's Prison Term in CIA Leak Case
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:00 PM by Skinner
Source: Bloomberg

July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush commuted Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby's prison term in the CIA leak case, saying the 2 1/2 year prison term was ``excessive.''

Libby, 56, was convicted of lying to investigators probing the 2003 leak of CIA official Valerie Plame's identity. Backers of Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, had argued for a pardon. Bush acted after a U.S. appellate court today refused to let Libby stay out of prison during his appeal.

``My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby,'' Bush said in a statement. ``The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long- lasting.''

The president's action means that Libby's conviction still stands and he is still required to pay the $250,000 fine ordered by a federal judge.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2WQ_iYK.XEI&refer=home



Sorry...still looking. Not much info on tv but that's what the woman said.

Anyone else hearing anything?

There we go.

This sucks big time!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:44 PM
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1. IMPEACH!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:13 PM
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102. IMPEACH THE IMP!!!
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
204. Well..Harry & Nancy...
what more do you need to put impeachment back on the table?...AMERICA IS SOOOOOOOOOO PIIIIISSSSSSSEEEEDDDDDDDD!!!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #204
293. I told you. Nancy gave him a two year head start. He KNOWS there
won't be any consequences to his actions.

No one can stop them now.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #204
297. I'm certain, certain I say, that they are at this moment drafting a strongly worded letter
expressing their deep disappointment.

:evilfrown:
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #297
397. And they might actually SEND it, but
in the morning they'll probably feel all better. Worthless shit heaps. Reid and Pelosi sooooo disappointed me.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #297
411. Then they will apologize for it later in the week.
after a firm scolding by the media
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DemSoccerMom Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #297
513. They are almost certainly drafting the :"strongly wordered letter,"
but actualling SENDING it, well, that's a different story.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:30 PM
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265. BUSH MESSED UP!!!

Bush has now opened himself to a HUGE impetus for impeachment of his person after they're done with Cheney. What kind of message does it send to the White House when the president is convicting the convicted felons who actually WORKED for his administration. Typically these things are left to the successor of your party.

Does anyone have ANY doubt that Libby will be pardoned as Bush is on the way out should Bush not be removed from office??

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imagine1989 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #265
432. Pardon, likely, impeachment, think Ford
I agree with you entirely that by the end of Bush's term, a pardon for Libby is likely. No explanation necessary.

I also think you've got a very valid point concerning who should pardon Libby if Bush wants to give him a pardon. Traditionally, it has been the role of the successor to do so - its a safeguard created by tradition (think Ford pardoning Nixon). Clearly, however, Bush has no respect for the traditions of the office, especially those which are intended to preserve the authority, honor, and integrity of the office.

Are these grounds for impeachment? Breaking the traditions of the presidency are perhaps worth a censure, but not impeachment. Pardoning Libby? Fully within his constitutional powers, not even grounds for censure.

If you choose to take up the impeachment call, use Gitmo, attorney firings, wiretapping, or other issues that border on or are illegal. Libby's pardon just isn't constitutionally enough for impeachment. Otherwise Ford would have likely been out of office much quicker.

Before everyone begins attacking what I just wrote, please take this into consideration: I don't agree with commuting Libby's sentence at all. I rarely if ever agree with the Bush administration. But constitutionally speaking, I don't believe the commuting is grounds for impeachment. If you don't agree with my constitutional interpretation, fine. But don't attack me believing my position on the commuting of Libby's sentence is on Bush's side, because that would be 180 degrees in the wrong direction.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #432
497. Poppy Bush pardoned his own SECDEF, Cap Weinberger, to stop him from talking
Cap said he'd sing like a canary, that he wasn't gonna take the fall for ANYONE.

Seriously. That's how it went down.

This commutation isn't news for BushCo, it's in the way of a family tradition of sorts.
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cupcake Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
339. Very depressed
How can things like this keep happening?

I just don't understand it :(
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marandric Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #339
514. Very Depressed Also!
That is the big question. "How can things like this keep happening?" Why is this whole administration getting away with absolutely everything?
It's embarassing as a citizen of such an originally magnificent country built on great ideals to see it going down the proverbial crapper!
The argument in my mind is Treason vs. blow job!
Come on people! What has happened to this country is criminal! The whole administration needs to be grouped, bound and tossed into the fire. Where is our revolutionary pride? Do we no longer care?
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:20 PM
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359. Fitzgerald will seek to preserve convictions through appeals process
Fitzgerald's statement:

We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.
We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as "excessive." The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.
Although the Presidents decision eliminates Mr. Libbys sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.





http://dailykos.com/
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #359
473. It must be a much happier time these days if you're a freeper. Not much happiness here these days.
Nothing but bad news, day after day. The freeptards must be enjoying nonstop orgasms.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #1
521. Let's see--lying about a blow job, yet not convicted of anything
weighed against lying to cover-up knowledge of wrongdoing to protect a corrupt government official--and subsequently being CONVICTEDof obstruction of justice and lying to a grand jury... it would appear that the scales of justice have been tampered with, as well as common fucking sense.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
548. the rule of law only applies to the working class. In fact todays laws are made to preserve and
increase class differences
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:44 PM
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2. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:45 PM
Response to Original message
3. The get-out-of-jail-free scumbags are trying to provoke confrontation...daring to impeach. nt
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 04:58 PM by tiptoe
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #3
40. Yep. And they want it to go all the way to the USSC so that their power can be
be solidified.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
55. also */Cheney shows "support" for "loyalists" (i.e. fearful of potential "turners")
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:22 PM by tiptoe
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #40
83. Did it quickly post today's ruling, so Lib' wouldn't be tempted to turn to Fitz in pre-jail interim.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:25 PM by tiptoe
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #83
215. these $$%%!!**$$ scumbag Bushco asses, making their own laws
IMPEACH the Chimperor, NOW! m :grr:
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:45 PM
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4. I'll be goddamned
This is the last straw, goddamn it.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
29. Oh sure, you say that now...
There's never going to be a "last straw"...

(And I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'll bet
I won't be!)

Tesha
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #29
112. I hope you're proven wrong too.
nt
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #29
288. Oh, Tesha, I think you are so right...
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 06:46 PM by whereismyparty
And that is what makes this so infuriating. The lawlessness of this administration goes completely unchecked. And now, not even punishable.

Anyone remember the born again on death row that Bush refused to save when he was Gov? I'm not an advocate of the death penalty... but I thought for sure the work she was doing in prison and the outcry to spare her life would get her a reprieve...still, Bush didn't give her one. Libby's sentence, however, is too harsh. Go figure.

I say let's send the whole gang to the Hague. That'll show 'em what harsh is.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #288
294. Karla Fay Tucker (+/- spelling) (NT)
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #288
344. "And now, not even punishable"
What do you mean "and now"? Recall the Military Commissions Act of 2006? It immunizes the Bush administration and it's minions from prosecution for violating the Fourth Geneva Convention. Despite violating serious U.S. law, they cannot be prosecuted for torture nor violating the 4th GC rights of non-combatants in "war" (apparently Congress does not need to declare war for this to hold). Bush is now legally free to torture soldier and civilian alike if he decress that it is necessary. This is in your face business as usual. It spells d-i-c-t-a-t-o-r-s-h-i-p to me (at least the anti-democratic attempt to rise to that level by the Bush administration).

You refer to Tammy Faye Tucker in the second paragraph of your post. Expecting fair play and equality out of this dictatorship, and expressing surprise when it is not received -- well, Einstien once rightly defined "insanity" as doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. It just ain't going to happen.

Impeach-Convict-Imprison now, that's what I say. No less is required to restore our democracy.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:46 PM
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5. JUST NOW ON M$NBC!!!!!!!!!!
OMFG
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:47 PM
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6. Must have been in response to this
Federal appeals court rejects Libby request for prison delay
Michael Sung at 2:51 PM ET

The US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on Monday unanimously denied a motion by former US vice presidential aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby to delay his prison sentence pending appeal. The appeals court found that Libby did not demonstrate that his appeal raises a "substantial question." Libby, whose earlier request for a delay was rejected by the federal district court in June, may seek an intervention from the Supreme Court or receive a pardon from President Bush.

Libby's lawyers had argued that the conviction could likely be overturned on appeal because Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald did not have the authority to bring charges as Justice Department superiors had recused themselves from the investigation. Libby, the only official held legally responsible as a result of the probe into the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity , was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in March, and is expected to begin his 2 1/2-year prison sentence in the upcoming weeks. AP has more

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/07/federal-appeals-court-rejects-libby.php
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #6
114. You got it.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #6
216. nothing like * thumbing his snotnose at the US Appeals judges
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
285. Bush was going to do this whenever Libby faced imprisonment.
He just had to do it sooner rather than later. :mad: There was never a question, at least in my mind, that Libby was ever going to spend one second in prison. This kind of blows this morning's Washington Post "Bush pity party" out of the freaking water. It's just one more reason added to the hundreds already existing to HATE BUSH'S GUTS!

I just hope Plame gets a H-U-G-E settlement from her civil suit, one that will break the bastard. :grr: His butt kissing toadies will all chip in and bail his ass out of that too though. The scum sucking pig will probably get away with NO penalty at all out of this. It just goes to show what a two tiered justice system we have in this country. :mad:

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
306. I imagine that it was in response to LIBBY's response to appeals rejection.
Namely, "If I do time, I sing."
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #306
424. where did Libby say anything sounding like "if I do time, I sing"?
no sarcasm here. asking for real.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:54 AM
Response to Reply #424
493. In public? Never.
And even if I'm right, it might not be the sort of thing he'd ever have to say out loud.

I predict a cushy Carlysle-type job for Libby to negate the quarter-million in fines, and eventually a pardon to wipe out the actual convictions.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
387. You got it. It was clearly a response to that.
Bush already had his game plan in place. They didn't want Libby's case to go to the Supremes, because they would have ruled against Libby's appeal and that would have caused friction with the administration.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:47 PM
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7. The Rule of Law is officially dead.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #7
18. It's a friggin' mafia is what it is. They don't even care to hide it anymore.
Trillions of stolen dollars via the illegal war dumped into their cronies' pockets. Non-stop violations of the law and the constitution. And now "get-out-of-jail-free" cards. It's just insane.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Yup. They will do whatever they please--it's been proven time and time again
that there will be no consequences.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #18
244. New bumper sticker:
CRIME PAYS!
ASK ANY REPUBLICAN :mad:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
299. And this is going to empower every local good ole boy gang that
has created his own fiefdom.

We are doomed.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
143. They're parading it's severed head around on a pike right now. Gleefully. nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
146. I agree
and it shows Bush is involved in all of it We see it on his hands now
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
171. Legally bush had the right to do this this----morally, it sends a bad message!
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #171
210. There's an old saying...
Having the right to do something doesn't mean that doing it is right.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #171
218. morally??!!$$$ That is an oxymoronic word to use with the name bush
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #171
309. Message: "Libby et al. acted under orders." n/t
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 07:52 PM by Orsino
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AandP Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #7
428. Actually not
Even though this may be an unpopular decision and one I don't personally support the President was in the bounds of Constitutional authority to do what he did.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #428
447. a popup screen came up JUST right after I read the comment
and while I was mousing over to delete it, I thought, "guaranteed under 100 posts person" ---

shocking.

you want to point out the president was in bounds legally to do this -

no shit sherlock!

the point is - when grave crimes against a country are committed you don't use your power for wrong and your lack of anger says all we need to know about the author of the statement
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AandP Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #447
463. You act surprised
Edited on Tue Jul-03-07 12:02 AM by AandP
That Bush would do something like this, after all the shit he has pulled? I merely stated the obvious.People are yelling and screaming for impeachment...using your power is not a crime...stupid in this case but not an impeaceable crime.I understand that you are pissed off but don't take it out on me, I haven't done anything...
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #463
478. you just don't realize yet how many new accounts are set up for a flurry
of slanted "i don't really like the president, but they are doing....." filled in with apologist comments... if you're not one despite the same pattern - I take back my words.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #428
469. Yes, it was legal--what I MEAN by "the rule of law is dead" is that
a President's crony can be excused from a prison sentence, simply because he's a crony. This man was tried and convicted, appealed, and lost. How many of us would have been able to avoid jail under similar rulings? You? Me? This goes far beyond "unpopular". Libby did not just commit crimes related to the investigation, he was a major player in the crimes of waging war under false pretenses, and of outing a covert agent so Cheney could exact revenge. The commmuting of the sentence is yet another "fuck you" from the disgraceful, lawless cabal we live under, whom we are powerless to stop or bring to justice.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:47 PM
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8. Time to impeach these bastards.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:49 PM
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15. Tell that to Nancy "Impeachment Is Off The Table" Pelosi
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:08 PM by TechBear_Seattle
Do you think NOW they House will do something? I'm not holding my breath.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #15
74. I wonder if they took impeachment off the table because
they were afraid the MF'er would declare martial law and eliminate the congress?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #74
262. Think the MF'er won't find a way too do that even without the threat of Impeachment?
Just wait. After six + years, Nothing Shocks Me Anymore!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
80. hell no they won't!
I am so fucking infuriated by the completely complicit democrats in congress. :argh:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #15
194. I just called my brother
who lives in her district. He had not yet heard. I told him to call her office, which should still be open. She may listen better to people who are in her district.

If you have friends and family in her district, tell them to call.

I am sure San Francisco is going to be furious about this.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:48 PM
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9. Commuting a sentence
If I remember correctly, that means Libby still has a felony conviction and a criminal record, but he does not spend any time in jail? (A pardon would wipe the conviction.)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
48. Yes, he is still guilty. He still pays the quarter million dollar fine, he is still on probation,
and as a convicted felon, he loses his law license.

This is not a pardon. It's a way for Bush, though, to keep Libby's mouth well and firmly SHUT.

He'll hand him the full pardon on his way out the door in 2009.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. The average Joe and Jane America will not differentiate between
the term "commute" and "pardon" It will be a pardon to them, no doubt about it.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #54
64. And that confusion *should* work to the Democrats' advantage
Assuming that the candidates actually use this. I have a very sinking feeling that Clinton et al. will instead chose to "play nice" and not make political hay on this very bright, clear day.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #64
81. I don't think the Dems even have to do more than...
point out the hypocrisy of this, the continuation of the cover-up by the bush admin, that kind of thing. The ads for the 2008 election should be VERY interesting though!

According to the results of a poll CNN had previous done on the question: Should Libby be pardoned

72% NO

19% YES

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #64
92. Serves no jail sentence...
Don't forget that Fred Thompson gave money to Scooter's defense fund. Don't know who put it together but wouldn't they use that money to pay his fines too?

Not much in the way of punishment
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #54
82. Yep...they'll get to scratch their heads or balls or butts about it in Jan 09, though
That's when the Monkey will give Scooter the FULL PARDON, so he gets his law license back....
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #82
140. The repercussions will not be toward bush but toward the
republicans up for election/re-election in 2008. The repubs tied themselves to bush tighter than superglue to skin and they will not be able to fix that even with radical surgery.

In the public's eye Libby was pardoned today, it is as simple as that.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #140
178. I agree
Pukes up for re-relection and those seeking presidency will answer for this. Everyone can relate to this - special treatment and all that.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #178
253. Wouldnt thant be great if the Congress could actually override a veto if they wanted.
Wouldn't be nice to have a Dem in the White House, 60%+ in the Senate and House. Im a dreamer though.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #178
269. I think every candidate needs to be put on record right now about whether the believe it was right
to commute scooter's jail time. On tapes that can be played over and over again until election day.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #140
185. Yep...22 GOP Senate seats are UP FOR GRABS in 2008... nt
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #140
201. The corporate media will spend a lot of time making it clear to them....
.... on this there will be no confusion.

Expect to hear 2 points alot

1) Libby was not pardoned and his conviction stands.
2) Bush has pardoned fewer people than any president in the last 100 years.

This will NOT work for the Dems.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #201
234. It won't work this time
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 06:13 PM by Spazito
The average American knows people who are convicted go to jail, Libby isn't going to jail because bush pardoned him. It is as simple as that.


The media, the talking heads can try and "explain" it all they want, it will not change the facts as the public will see them:

Libby was convicted and sentenced to prison
Libby is not going to prison because bush pardoned him


72% of the public said NO to any pardon, 72 % of the public doesn't care if you call it a "commutation" or a pardon, it will be seen as a pardon.

There is an irony here, regarding all the high-profile, very public calls for a pardon and that is:

Because of that very public call covered exhaustively by the media, the public have had time to decide whether they think it is right or wrong to do so, 72% think it is wrong.

If the libby supporters had been much quieter about this, the public would not have thought it through yet and, therefore, be more vulnerable to the sales pitch regarding bush's decision and then, maybe, your scenario might well have been the result.

Edited to improve my phrasing.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #234
259. That's what we ALWAYS say. n/t
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #201
240. And it cannot work for Hillary
because of all the pardons given at the end of Bill's term. She ducked the question a couple of weeks ago with Chris Matthews when he mentioned a pardon for Libby.


Just another reason to nominate Obama, in my opinion...

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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #240
260. But Obama said impeachment is NOT the thing to do
So Obama's not going to be much help. :(
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #260
405. You do tasmanian devils an injustice.
likening them to that ****, Ann (the ***) Coulter.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #201
280. you're probably right
but as far as point number 2, I suspect that the majority of a President's pardons are issued in his or her final days in office.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #280
526. That may be true, I don't know, but don't expect the corporate media to differentiate n/t
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ruralmom Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #201
453. Bush has pardoned fewer people than any president in the last 100 years.
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #453
477. Welcome to DU, ruralmom. What is your point? n/t
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #453
540. Well, he pardoned his little
take-it-in-the-ass-for-the-big-boys suckup, didn't he?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:38 AM
Response to Reply #201
489. The fact it's not a pardon is the point
Commuting the sentence of a crony - one that was prosecuted by a republican, sentenced by a republican, lost an appeal on grounds by two republicans - is the point. Everyone can relate to special treatment. I'm listening to TV right now and I hear the point you're trying to make (not a pardon)and it's being slammed for the farce it is (and more than one is saying he'll pardon at the end of his term). It's this administration, once again, thinking it's above the law. I disagree, this will work for the Dems
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #489
527. I hope you're right., but I'm afraid I am right...
... and I've rethought the issue some since yesterday. I think if it is going to work for the dems, the point to be made is, Bush has interfered in the workings of the law with this commutation to a degree other presidents have not.

A pardon is supposed to come at the end of a judicial process. After the wheels of justice has stopped turning. By commuting his sentence before the appeals had run out he has circumvented the process. We don't know what other facts would have come out had the process continued

- and that's the exact point of the commutation -

It might b e too complicated to be explained to the public, especially with a media dis-inclined to expose the president, but I think it's the angle with the best chance of success.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #527
554. The American people can be counted
on to have the distate of special treatment color their views. Look at the bloodlust for Paris Hilton. They didn't just want her in prison, they wanted her put in a pit with snakes. When they see the "elite" getting something they know they would never get, they see red.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #140
390. elections?
they've got that covered too! :grr: :mad:
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #82
507. Mary Matalin & husband,
James Carville, gave a legal fund raising for Libby in their home and raised several million $$$. Libby will be a wealthy man with all the taxpayers money, via neocons,RW, etc., money pouring into his bank account.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #54
118. Good point
Trying to explain that decision will cause more than a few eyes to glaze over.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #118
168. I don't know if you recall the total decimation of the B.C. NDP
party when they were led by Glen Clark and were in government but, imo, it is, in a sense, a mirror image of what is going to happen to the repubs in 2008.

Clark was Premier when he became embroiled in scandal:

Clark found in conflict over casino scandal

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/11/19/clarkconflict011119.html

Clark was found not guilty in a court of law but the public could differentiate and see Clark's ethics were sadly lacking.

This scandal was, for the public, the proverbial straw for the public and, even though Clark stepped down as Premier, in the next election the NDP party went from the a majority government to holding only TWO seats. The party is still trying to recover from this, I think it will quite a while before the voter will trust them enough to put them back in power.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #168
305. Of course I remember that
Clark deserved it. And I'm saying that as a lifelong NDP supporter.

Justice was done there. Too bad the party had to suffer the consequences as well.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #305
311. I agree, I voted for Clark and the NDP in the election that
brought them to power, I didn't, however, vote for them in the next election, they had already been caught lying about the finances of the province.

I think the repubs will pay the same price, in the 2008 US elections, as the NDP did in that election. It has the same feel, imo.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #54
256. The corporate media will take great pains to explain it ot them n/t
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #54
402.  But most of them don't give a damn...
...not so long as there's new footage of Paris Hilton home from prison. It won't matter to Reid and Pelosi--why should it matter to Joe and Jane?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #402
414. I don't think so this time....
bush's poll numbers are very bad, the public IS paying attention and, thanks to all the public, high-profile republicans calling for a pardon for Libby and the media giving them their full attention, the public has already digested this and 72% said NO to a pardon BEFORE bush actually moved on the issue.

They have already made up their minds and it is not in bush's, libby's or the republicans favor.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #414
419. "I don't think so this time...." -- that's what we say every time....
Bush gets caught drinking unicorn blood, everybody says "THIS time it's gonna stick," but it doesn't stick, and a new runaway bride comes onto the scene to amuse the rabble
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #419
423. Ahhh, but the difference is bush's poll numbers and the
poll numbers supporting the libby pardon, they reflect the 20 - 30 % of die-hards, the rest of America know what bush is now and, by extension, the republican politicians as well. There was an anger building BEFORE this decision by bush, his pardon (commutation) of Libby isn't going to diffuse that anger rather it will further inflame it.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #423
431. Don't get me wrong...I certainly hope you're right....
but in the past it hasn't mattered how unpopular he was, or how unpopular an idea was...he'd do whatever the eff he wanted, Dem politicians would huff and snort for a few minutes, and then the issue would disappear. Chick on NPR (when I first heard the story) was saying that he's already so unpopular that it's not like this is going to make anybody new hate him. It has certainly inflamed you and me, but my suspicions are that our congresscritters will probably fuss for a day or two and then they'll all bend over for Big Daddy Bush's next edict.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #431
444. I don't disagree with what you are saying, it will not affect bush
he is already done and, in a way, that will make those 72% who voted NO re pardon more likely to vent their anger at those who helped him all along the way, the republicans running for election/re-election in 2008, not to mention the Presidency itself.

This action will NOT help the successful republican candidate for the Presidency at all nor will it help republicans running for seats in the Senate and the House.

I have seen this happen twice under very similar circumstances in Canada, in both cases the public had finally had enough and the government was not only thrown out, they were decimated, they won very few seats.

The first case involved a Conservative government nationally, Brian Mulroney (a buddy of Reagan and daddy bush) was the Prime Minister until near the end, he stepped down but that did NOT diffuse the public, they went to the polls and threw out the Conservatives and the party died. We now have a party called the New Conservatives, an extreme party with little connection to the party that was.

The second case was a Provincial, like a State, election, the same thing happened the NDP(left) party was in government and public anger grew to the point, during their second term, that they not only lost the election, they went from being the government to holding just TWO seats.

I am getting a very strong sense that the palpable anger that caused the two above cases is also seething among the American public right now.

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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #444
451. I hope you're right...
I think people should be marching on the White House with pitchforks and torches right now.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:44 AM
Response to Reply #431
490. bush is irrelevant at this point
It's tying the candidates to him as tightly as we can. Even the people who used to support bush are tired of him and are tired of defending him. It's using the "same old, same old" argument. Just more of the same, no accountability for anyone. That's something people "get". And will not support. Perjury and obstruction are not traffic tickets.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #48
470. The pardon will come when the appeals process is finished.
Scooter was acting under orders, he will be saved. He will be rewarded for his loyalty to the administration.

I guess the sentence was commuted to time served -- by Judith Miller. Has she been interviewed? It might be interesting to hear what she has to say. That was real nice of her to go to jail for Scooter so he wouldn't have to.

We knew this was coming, Bush told he he would "take care of" the person who leaked. Now he has done just that -- taken care of Scooter.
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TexasLinda Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
50. That's correct.
Just saw it on Hardball. Libby's still a convicted felon, still has to pay the $200,000+ fine, and still loses his law license. Of course, the conviction could also be overturned on appeal. And if it isn't, Bush could still pardon Libby later.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #50
77. $200,000 fine? Barely counts as pocket change
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:07 PM by TechBear_Seattle
Loses his law license? The Repugs haven't practiced anything resembling law for a very long time, and who needs to be a lawyer when you can become an extremely well connected lobbyist or a public speaker travelling the conservative circuit talking about how he was almost sacrficed by "activist liberal judges" out to imprison true patriots?

I think Spazito is more correct than he realizes: For all intents and purposes, this is a pardon in all but name.
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #77
247. It might as well be a pardon--the average citizen will see it the same
either way.

Sorry, Scooter--you're being hung out to dry. Hope you get the full pardon as * walks out the door . . . .

It's a sad day for America. Do we have any rights left at all?
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #247
261. Pretty sick
Even Paris Hilton had to spend a FEW days behind bars. But it's not like you couldn't see this (and Bush's future pardon) coming a mile away. :mad:
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #77
284. "The Repugs haven't practiced anything resembling law for a very long time"
:rofl:


Thanks for the laugh on this otherwise dark day.

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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #284
462. Glad I could help
:toast:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #50
99. Can Libby's defense fund be used to pay the fine?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #99
156. Hell, his fine will be paid with tax $$$$$$$$ funneled to him (n/t)
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #99
183. well- it's his money now...i imagine he can do what he wants with it.
it's not like he was an elected official or anything.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #9
121. So they say.
He will have to pay a fine and this will stay on his record. That's it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #9
179. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
237. tHE PARDON WILL COME ON DECEMBER 25 2008..TRADITIONAL BUSH PARDON SEASON
I SO CANNOT WAIT FOR THESE CREATURES TO BE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #9
472. You indeed remember correctly...
Edited on Tue Jul-03-07 01:10 AM by Seabiscuit
And he still has to hand the bill for his $250K fine to Halliburton for payment out of the $10 billion in taxpayers' money the conveniently "lost".

And he's still going to be disbarred (if that hasn't already happened).
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:48 PM
Response to Original message
10. This is total bullshit. I hate Bush...hate him hate him hate him
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:48 PM
Response to Original message
11. we just heard this in our office too
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 04:50 PM by librechik
Go Bush! And take Libby with you...

:sarcasm:

And there goes the AP ALert buzzer!
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:48 PM
Response to Original message
12. Can we impeach now?
:grr:
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
13. I said he'd do this.
I'd be interested in finding out if it's true. I predicted this is exactly what he'd do months ago... "commute" his sentence down to "a small fine and time served" rather than pardon him.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #13
56. What do you think about this.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:00 PM by autorank
After I saw this, it occurred to me that Libby made a deal before the trial -

"No or no extended time and I'll take the fall. You can figure out compensation
for the fine later, a bag of cash maybe."


So when Judge Walton said, "It's off to jail sport" that nixed the deal since they figured he'd let
him stay out on bail while the appeal wound on. That would let * finish his term and after the election
he'd give a full pardon.

I'm sure this was planned out. That's the only thing these guys can plan, sleaze. Wars, environmental
policies, nah but sleaze and stealing elections, they're good to go.

Let's see what Fitzgerald does. He did include Roves name in that document.

Maybe he'll go after * for conspiracy to defraud the courts or something. It would be great if he had
them on that.

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #56
162. Yup
There has to be a payoff for Bush to do this, and that payoff no doubt is the guarantee that Scooter keeps his mouth shut about Shooter.

Fitz must be pissed.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #162
181. And that's exactly how the dems should play it
Scooter protecting cheney from prosecution - what is he hiding....special treatment that nobody else would get....all while some innocent people are rotting down in Guantanamo.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #181
190. And a WHOLE SHITLOAD
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:43 PM by ProudDad
of innocent people are rotting away in the jails and prisons of the good ole' U.S. of fucking A.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:49 AM
Response to Reply #190
491. I just clicked on your link
These people are doing great work - kudos to you for being involved in it. Perhaps a spokesperson could make a statement about this?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #56
208. I'll bet Fred Fielding had that commutation document written for quite some time.
When Bush got back to the WH, he made a BEELINE for the OO and signed the thing. He probably didn't even stop to proofread it, because he'd already read it a week or two ago.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #208
292. In light of last week's WaPo series,
I suspect Darth was sitting behind *'s desk in the OO with his feet up on *'s etch-a-sketch holding a blue folder embossed with the prezdidental seal and just barked at his boy "sign this!"

After * crapped his pants, he got out his fancy Crayola Veto Pen, signed the commutation and proceeded to fellate his dark Lord.

BTW, that was a good one - * proofreading. :rofl:
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:49 PM
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14. SHIT!
!
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:49 PM
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16. I'm not surprised at all!!!
:mad:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:49 PM
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17. Oh fuck
Will the president now give Valerie Plame her career back?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:50 PM
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #19
39. Welcome to DU!!!
:hi:

You have a point;)
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:50 PM
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20. TANJ
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 04:52 PM by Greyskye
There Ain't No Justice.



IMPEACH NOW!
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angryxyouth Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #20
298. I love your animation, it is how I feel too.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 06:57 PM by angryxyouth
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:51 AM
Response to Reply #298
492. I laughed so hard at your animation
my cat ran over to see what was going on.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:50 PM
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21. Disgusting n/t
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:50 PM
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23. &@#%!!!!!!!!!!
&#%$!!! *@#%$^&*@!!!!!!!!
:grr: :grr: :grr:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:51 PM
Original message
Holy shit! I guess saner heads did NOT prevail
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:09 PM by Spazito
This is not going to go over well with moderate, real Republicans at all.

Edited to add: This certainly affirms to me Libby could destroy the bush cabal if he talked and that was his promise if he had to spend a day in jail.

CNN just talked about a poll they had previously done asking if Libby should be pardoned and the result of that poll was:

72% NO

19% YES

There are going to be political repercussions for this in the 2008 election and it is not going to be against the Democrats.

Edited to correct spelling error.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:51 PM
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24. Like a thief in the night
Remember how he said he'd get rid of anyone ratting out a CIA operative?

He'll pay for this, but not enough.

Criminals, every one of them.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:51 PM
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25. The dick told him to I betcha
and I also believe it was because scooter threatened to blow the whistle if he had to go to jail.

Had enough yet Nancy and Harry? Impeach right fucking now!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:33 PM
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393. of course the dick told him to do it
just like everything else! sticks a piece of paper and a pen in front him and he signs automatically. that goddam motherfucker!!!!! :mad:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:51 PM
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26. Unsurprising, and it only makes him look bad
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:51 PM
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27. Nothing says co-conspirators like this. The end is now upon these guys. IMPEACH.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
42. For what?? It SUCKS, but it's within his rights. He only commuted the JAIL portion of the sentence.
Not the fine, not the conviction itself, not the probation.

Scooter is still guilty, he just doesn't have to go to jail. He didn't pardon the guy.

It sucks, but it's Presidential perogative.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:15 PM
Original message
There's plenty to impeach him...
I had the same reaction. It's not about impeaching him for this, it's about he needs to be out of office so he doesn't keep this shit up.

But... I actually think I'm in the impeach Cheney only camp now even though I don't see how his crimes against this country can be ignored.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #42
199. HOW ABOUT IMPEACHING FOR THIS???
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/DocServer/NYT_IMPEACHBUSH_FINAL_3.pdf?docID=121

Illegal war of aggression against Iraq -- Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of Americans killed or wounded

Setup worldwide network of secret prisons where torture has become the norm...

Gave himself the power to wiretap, open the mail of, search and indefinitely detain any American he wishes to -- Against many Federal Laws.

Has confessed to the above in public forums.


and you're WAY OFF BASE:

He may have the POWER to perpetrate this type of perversion of justice but he sure as HELL doesn't have the RIGHT!!!



Get on board or get out of the way!!!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #199
245. None of that is "evidence" of a high crime or misdemeanor.
An ancient flyer for a protest is certainly not "evidence."

That "illegal war" was rubber stamped by Congress. In fact, the Congress recently agreed to continue funding it, including sixty one VERY LIBERAL (the most liberal) progressives in the House. So you can draw a line through that justification.

Those world wide secret prisons break no US law. He made sure of that--it's why they aren't US secret prisons. Strike two.

All that spying and wiretapping? Signing statements paved the way, with a national security justification. Strike three.

Every time he did anything, he either got Congress to give him the thumbs up, or he attached a "signing statement" to laws to make what is illegal, legal. You might not like that, but that IS what he did. He wasn't stupid that way--he covered his tracks brilliantly, and when he couldn't do it that way, he got someone else, like a Scooter Libby, to do his dirty work for him and take the fall for him if needed.

If Articles of Impeachment by some miracle appeared in the well of the Senate, how long do you think it would be before Bush found a way to insist that the Supreme Court stop the proceedings, based on some arcane interpretation of the law? And what do you suppose his Supreme buddies would do for him?

Absent that, and assuming the impossible happens, and Impeachment Articles DO make it to the Senate, who's your trial judge in an impeachment that won't happen? Chief Justice Roberts. I can just hear his favorite phrases now: "You're "OVERRULED."

"NO, you may NOT admit that into evidence--the defense's objections are SUSTAINED."

Now, unless Roberts gets a brain tumor that causes him to deviate from character, he's not going to bite the hand that feeds him, but let's just suppose he does. You think the GOP Senators are going to bite the hand that feeds them, either? The votes just aren't there to impeach the guy. And the purpose of impeachment isn't punishment, it's removal from office. Nothing more. So no matter what way you slice it, the end result is failure. He will not be removed.

I really understand your frustration, but getting mad at me and falsely insisting that I'm "way off base" because you don't like the realpolitik of the situation isn't going to change the facts on the ground here. So please don't insist that I go along with your pipe dreams or "get out of the way." I have a right to a differing view, and I will wager that my view is far more realistic than yours. You are free to disagree, but you aren't free to order me about...

:hi:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #245
296. I know we've had this conversation
(argument?) before, my friend.

The main point of disagreement I see between us is what I perceive as your insistence that "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" must rise to the level of a Criminal Offense and therefore must be against statute and provable "without reasonable doubt".

I believe that history and practice shows us that that is NOT the case. Impeachment is a political remedy that removes someone from office for "crimes" against the Constitution.

----------

For one precedent that's VERY applicable to shrub's "crimes" against the constitution, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" are admirably defined and that definition well applied in this wonderful speech by Barbara Jordan, one of Tricky Dick's inquisitors:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barbarajordanjudiciarystatement.htm

"The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men." And that's what we're talking about. In other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust."

"it is a misreading of the Constitution for any member here to assert that for a member to vote for an article of impeachment means that that member must be convinced that the President should be removed from office."

"It is designed to "bridle" the executive if he engages in excesses. "It is designed as a method of national inquest into the conduct of public men." The framers confided in the Congress the power if need be, to remove the President in order to strike a delicate balance between a President swollen with power and grown tyrannical, and preservation of the independence of the executive."

<and the big finish>

"James Madison again at the Constitutional Convention: "A President is impeachable if he attempts to subvert the Constitution." The Constitution charges the President with the task of taking care that the laws be faithfully executed, and yet the President has counseled his aides to commit perjury, willfully disregard the secrecy of grand jury proceedings, conceal surreptitious entry, attempt to compromise a federal judge, while publicly displaying his cooperation with the processes of criminal justice. "A President is impeachable if he attempts to subvert the Constitution."

"If the impeachment provision in the Constitution of the United States will not reach the offenses charged here, then perhaps that 18th-century Constitution should be abandoned to a 20th-century paper shredder.

"Has the President committed offenses, and planned, and directed, and acquiesced in a course of conduct which the Constitution will not tolerate? That's the question. We know that. We know the question. We should now forthwith proceed to answer the question. It is reason, and not passion, which must guide our deliberations, guide our debate, and guide our decision."

------------------------

This interpretation of the process and of the meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors", that furthered the resulted of the Articles of Impeachment against r.m.nixon, would surely be applicable to the shrub's actions against the Letter and Spirit of the Constitution.

------------------------

Thanks for replying. You are correct that letting scooter off the hook is probably not a "High Crime or Misdemeanor" in itself but added to *'s pattern of willful abrogation of the Letter and Spirit of the Constitution during his lamentable career as pResident would be one more brick in the wall.

:hi:
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #42
301. Is there anything you wouldn't give this administration a pass on?
How much more flagrantly must they abuse their positions? Prerogative or no, there are limits to decency (at least, I used to think so).
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #301
310. I'm not "giving the administration a pass" I'm just acknowledging reality
Our system of government permits the President to commute sentences and grant pardons.

There is NO 'evidence'--yet--of any high crimes or misdemeanors to impeach the Monkey. We know the guy has pulled some shit, but if Patrick Fitzgerald, who is no moke, couldn't get past Scooter Libby to the VP or the Oval Office, do you think anyone else is gonna, absent a smoking gun or two???

It's not really fair of you to shoot the messenger. I'm not thrilled that this asshole is getting away with this crap, but he IS getting away with it, and to pretend that he isn't doesn't help the situation.

We will see if Pat Leahy can get to the bastard by way of Dick Cheney. That looks like the only open avenue at this point in time.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #310
332. NO evidence of an impeachable offense?
Wow, I'll have two of whatever you're on. :crazy:

Articles of impeachment require nothing more than probable cause that an impeachable offense has been committed. Once the House has passed a resolution, the REAL investigations begin as the House "prosecutors" develop and build a case to be presented to the Senate (jury). As in most civil litigation, the "good stuff" comes out in depositions and sworn statements during discovery.

Yes, I know that, like the Clenis debacle, the alleged jurors will likely vote along party lines, but regardless of whether there is removal (conviction), all of the *co dirty laundry will have been aired.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #332
498. I'm not talking about what pundits say, or what you've read in an opinion column
You don't even have PROBABLE CAUSE, if you want to get down to it that way.

That "illegal war" business--Congress APPROVED that war. Gitmo or anything that happened offshore, that's WHY it happened offshore, to get around US law. And illegal surveillance and wiretaps--this Monkey isn't stupid, and neither is that bastard Gonzales (the Harvard Law degree was NOT wasted): that's why he ginned up all those signing statements, to make the illegal, legal.

Pardons and commutations aren't new to BushCo. Monkey learned this at Daddy's knee, ask Cap Weinberger, who demanded and received a pardon from Poppy while he was UNDER INDICTMENT. He threatened to sing, sing, sing if he wasn't let off the hook. And Poppy did it. And everyone cried foul, and after awhile, everyone forgot about it. Except me, maybe--I was around when that went down, and found it appalling.

How soon we all forget. I don't like it either, but our only hope of any real action is if Pat "Go Fuck Yourself" Leahy can make any headway on the subpoena business. What Bush did, like it or not, with Libby, was well within his perogative. I'll bet it gives him a short term bounce in the polls with his rabid base.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #498
534. I hope you're not a lawyer
Because if you don't think there's probable cause, you should hand in your bar card.

It doesn't matter where torture takes place, US treaties (e.g., the Geneva Conventions) are the supreme law of the land. See Article VI, US Const. Additionally, signing statements are more than likely illegal, but at the very least they do NOT change congressional intent nor the actual words of the legislation. They are meaningless - they do not make that which is illegal legal.
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-06-07 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #498
560. Lies
You write: You don't even have PROBABLE CAUSE, if you want to get down to it that way.

Was the Iraq war based on a lie or not?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #310
530. Respectfully
Your statement that there is "NO 'evidence'--yet--of any high crimes or misdemeanors" is sheer lunacy. This administration has committed war crimes in our name, eavesdropped on American citizens without warrant, tortured detainees subject to the Fourth Geneva Convention, criminally neglected to death citizens trapped by Katrina, lied about imminent threat as cover for a crony-profitable war, lied about the huge costs of the medicare pharmacy bill that funnels U.S. treasure into the hands of board room friends, tolerates the lack of justice in the outting of Valerie Plame, obstructed and stonewalled the investigation into 9-11, the list of political crimes and abuses of power go on and on.

A criminal offense is not required for impeachment. An abuse of the public trust is. The Bush administration is an abuser run amok. The absence of impeachment proceedings amounts to acceptance and complicity. America is betrayed.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #42
308. It's a power play. They're saying they are better than we are.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #308
312. You are right -- this is Monkey saying "Who cares what YOU think?" once again! nt
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #312
329. You know, I have teasingly said that if it wasn't for my liberal arts
degree, I'd be a peasant, but you know, tonight I really feel like there are peasants in America, and we are it.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #42
552. it is NOT his right to use this power to obstruct justice
as I suspect was happening here. It is abuse of a constitutional power for illegal ends, as far as I am concerned, and Fitzgerald should be after the administration with obstruction of justice charges like a harpy screaming for vengeance.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:52 PM
Response to Original message
28. I'm not surprised at all.
In fact, I'm rather shocked it took him this long. Asshole.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #28
63. The only thing that suprised me is that he did it on a Monday
and not the usual late Friday afternoon doldrums.
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SeattleVet Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #63
110. It's a holiday week, so they figure that *every* day is Friday.
Lots of people of vacations, taking time off from work with the mid-week holiday, so they get a free pass with so few actually watching what's going on.


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #63
248. Everyone is on vacation for the 4th, no one is watching TV
It's why we got treated to Rev. Sharpton on HARDBALL as host today. Tweety's off on vacation.
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Centered Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
128. yup
honestly raise your hand if you didn't see this coming...



/crickets....




look for the pardon at the end of term so he can practice law again. What really infuriates me is how much money did the US spend on all of this just to achieve such a predictable result. I am tired of this kind of stuff... throw them ALL (both sides) out and let's get some term limits on every political position in OUR government!!!
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:52 PM
Response to Original message
30. So I guess Scooter didn't squeal after all. n/t
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:53 PM
Response to Original message
31. Bush CRIME FAMILY steps in.
Fuck.

The truth is, it's George Bush who needs to be in prison anyway.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:53 PM
Response to Original message
32. The Bastard!
Impeachment Now!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:53 PM
Response to Original message
33. Treason: IOKIYAR
:grr:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
34. Well, now what do we do?
Besides tear our hair out and toss our tee-vees out the window.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:33 PM
Original message
Grease up and bend over?
:shrug: I just don't know anymore.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
35. He's only commuting the PRISON SENTENCE, not the quarter million dollar fine.
He is on probation and he loses his law license.

Bush frigging sliced the baby down the middle.

He is keeping him out of jail.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #35
72. The money is nothing to him
...drop in the bucket. None of this, outside of jail time, is proper PUBLIC punishment. The jail time would be a public humiliation.

This "compromise" is unacceptable.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #72
104. Oh, it's something to him, make no mistake. But what do you want to bet that Scooter's legal
defense fund swells to pay that fine and the million bucks or more he's racked up in legal fees now?

Whatcha wanna bet Scooter gets a decent-paying gig while he's on probation?

And whatcha wanna bet he gets a full pardon after the NOV08 elections?

And the sad bit is, it is ALL LEGAL. Bush is within his legal authority as President to do this.

And why did Bush do it?

Libby has a trophy wife and young kids. He needs money, he did not want to go to jail and not see his kids, and he was probably ready to open his mouth and SING to either shorten his sentence, or avoid it entirely.

Bush commuted to keep Libby's mouth well and truly SHUT.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #104
374. Really the money DOES mean nothing to them
$8.8 billion in cash went missing in Iraq. You don't think some loadmaster just wandered off with it?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #374
502. No, that went for tribal bribes and the obigato palm crossing of corrupt goverment officials and
contractors in-country.

Our BushCo government doesn't steal from the money that's in Iraq. They take it here, in the US, from the corporations and contractors who deal directly with the Pentagon...no need to go all the way to the Middle East for that dough. Ask Dick Cheney, or Bill Frist....
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #104
439. One months worth of consulting fees
from Brown & Root. Utterly insignificant.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #35
200. He'll be pardoned
in Jan of '09 -- and well paid off in the meantime and thereafter by his and your corporate masters...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #200
257. Oh, no doubt. And the excuse will be that he was a model citizen for the entire time
he was on probation. Hell, they'll probably gin up some bullshit little job at a charitable outfit so he can use that as a justifier in his application for pardon!

They gotta keep him happy, and loyal, after all. He needs money to keep that young wife and kids in the lifestyle they're accustomed to ...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #257
278. And to keep his mouth shut (n/t)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #278
287. Well, certainly--that will be the REAL reason!
But you can't trade pardons or commutations for silence. It's illegal. Why, BushCo would NEVER do such a thing!!!!!

Nudge, nudge...wink, wink.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:00 PM
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304. Say no more, say no more (n/t)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:54 PM
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36. Any Democrat who opposes impeachment after this should be recalled.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:05 PM by autorank
This is the beginning of the end of something, don't quite know what but things are going to
explode in our corner of the world and, as we who follow public opinion know, DU is pretty
mainstream (at least on elections and voting rights issues, Iraq, the environment).

This will be one of the most intense and productive periods in American history. We have three tracks
of ultimate truth going:

1) The world is dying - according to mainstream science. We're screwed unless we act in the next few
years and then we're still screwed to an extent.

2) We're monsters to each other and allow each other to suffer vis a vis our health care system - Sicko
is an indisputable argument proving that.

3) NO ONE can now deny this - Bush is utterly corrupt. Those 26% who still support him will dwindle by
20-30% so it will be only the 18% or so who always support the lunatic right (it was about 14% way back
who continued to support McCarthy after he was disgraced thoroughly).

On edit: Not worth the effort to recall them. They just need to be scared into doing the right
thing.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:23 PM
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255. I agree
If this doesn't get them to DO SOMETHING, I'm totally fucking done.

B*shco has gotten away with SO MUCH. And we've done little or nothing to stop it.
They are brazen - they don't give a crap!
So unless we stop them, the evil tour continues straight on to hell.
The voices of the people are crying out for action-
will our Democratic representation heed the call?
I pray they do, and soon.

I don't have alot of faith left.

The political system is FUCKED.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:23 PM
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362. Why hold hearings; issue subpoenas?
The Dems are rendered irrelevant. No GOP operative is ever going to go to jail with Bush in power. Just friggin' unbelievable!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:54 PM
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37. Link
http://qurl.com/zdf12

So far, I can only find this on Bloomberg.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:55 PM
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38. Why shouldn't he?
The Dems roll over and over for him- and the far right- again and again.

They've shown that they're afraid to do anything about it- and so the bully keeps hitting them.

It's gotten to the point where just have to laugh.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:56 PM
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41. This reeks of "special favors, special treatment"
The "Average Joe" goes to jail for small stuff.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:57 PM
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43. It's Iran-Contra all over again.
There was never any doubt that Scooter would be pardoned...they were hoping to run out the clock on appeal and do it going out the door...but Scooter probably was prepared to spill the beans if they didn't pardon him. There is no criminal justice when you are talking about these people.
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coyote Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:57 PM
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44. YAHOO Link:
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:57 PM
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45. Come on guys
You can't sit there and say that you're surprised that the "Decider in Chief" has done this. If Democrats were smart, they used this issue against every Republican in the next election.

Make them pay for everything they put this country through for the past six years.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:57 PM
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46. Dem's better begin Impeachment Proceedings NOW!
OR THEY WILL LOSE BIG!
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tenderheart Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:06 PM
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230. on what grounds? It was within his power to do it.
They can't impeach him just for kicks, you gotta have a reason. Besides spite.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:44 PM
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442. Yep, like a BJ.
:hi:
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 02:36 AM
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484. reasons
broke FISA laws. contempt for Constitution and rule of law. lying under oath to fitz ( not sure if he was under oath that time w/cheney ). doctoring intel and lying to American people to justify invasion of a sovereign country. use of torture ( before they changed their definition ). and I can think of many, many more. contempt of the Constitution would be the big one.
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insomnomaniacal Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:27 AM
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488. You want reasons?
We got reasons:

Lied in the State of the Union Address
On his watch, his people outed a covert CIA agent
He wire-tapped American citizens illegally
He hired a phony White House press corps member to toss him bananas

Now, do you think any of this is less serious than lying about a blow-job?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:57 PM
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47. Well, that was predictable.
Can't let little Scooter go to jail now, can we? Because he wasn't going to go to jail--he would've talked to in order to get his sentenced reduced. Bush had three choices: pardon him, commute his sentence, or have him whacked.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:10 PM
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87. & bu$h still has 1 & 3 left.
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:58 PM
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49. My Senators and Congressperson had better be howling on the floor ......
of their respective chambers over this. It's outrageous and the press had better confront the administration over this.

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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:59 PM
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51. I hate to say it: it's not an impeachable offense
The Constitution gives the right to the president to pardon/commute the sentence of anyone he damn well pleases: murderers, drug cartel kingpins, perjurers, etc. So charges of high crimes and misdemeanors would not fly here.

It's a huge political negative for him, however. Not that he cares. How much lower could he go, anyway. I totally expected this: just not so soon.

Next step: he'll hire Scooter back in the White House.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:18 PM
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115. The presidential pardon essentially puts the president above the law
It can set the stage for tyranny. Impeachment is the only procedure that can counteract that power.

When you get right down to it, what is impeachable is a matter for Congress to decide. I am sure they could come up with some appropriate charge, if they really wanted to.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:58 PM
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214. Except...as one legal scholar pointed out
If he commuted the sentence in order to prevent him from turning evidence against others he's guilty of obstruction of justice and the commutation is null-and-void.

You CANNOT commute/pardon people to give them incentive NOT to talk to prosecutors or law enforcement authorities.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:19 PM
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250. He explained his reasoning for the commutation in excruciating detail.
It included unreasonable harshness of the sentence, separation from wife and young children, and an assertion that the substantial fine, loss of law license, and two years of probation were a more appropriate sentence for his offense, in Bush's opinion.

He covered that track pretty well. But of course, he's very good at covering his tracks.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:43 PM
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441. doesn't he understand that he is an accessory?
just because he hs presidential powers it doesn't mean he is off the hook?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 07:03 AM
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501. I know that is what Joe Wilson said, but Bush's reasoning was very carefully justified
I'm not saying that it was SINCERE, but our system of government operates from the standpoint that the President is speaking openly and sincerely, even if he isn't.

Whoever wrote that thing (Fred Fielding, maybe--who USED to be John Dean's assistant, FWIW) dotted the i's and crossed the t's. The justification for commutation was plainly laid out. It's BushCo "compassion" ( :sarcasm: ) at it's finest, you see...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 10:20 PM
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558. It's like the Mafia boss paying the judge
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:39 PM
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336. You are completely missing that point.
This should be the "last straw" causing them to change their minds AWAY from taking impeachment "off the table" for the SCORES of impeachable offenses this administration has committed and toward impeaching the president for his criminal reign.

Just because this particular act isn't impeachable in and of itself doesn't mean it shouldn't add to the mountain of Bush bad actions that convinces the Democrats to go ahead and impeach him for all the things he CAN be impeached for.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:59 PM
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52. He and his cronies are above the law
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 04:59 PM by Christa
just underneath God :mad: :puke: :grr:
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Tulum_Moon Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:01 PM
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58. They are so fucking ubove the law!
I can't belive this. I feel like bursting out with tears! He get's away with EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 04:59 PM
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53. This bunch has no shame whatsoever and zero respect for
the rule of law. I'm so sick of them getting away with EVERYTHING.:mad:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:00 PM
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57. Bush is BRAZENNESS personified.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:05 PM
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73. not brazen; more a co-opted tool of a desperate VP. nt
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:28 PM by tiptoe
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:03 PM
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59. Congratulations BushCo! I officially loathe you more than I ever thought possible.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:03 PM by grace0418
It BOGGLES MY MIND why there is ANY hesitation on impeachment proceedings.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:03 PM
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60. Jail is for little people.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:04 PM by SimpleTrend
edit: Jail is for "low" criminals.

I wish it was sarcasm.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:03 PM
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61. This is what happens when you have nothing left to lose. Nobody could think less of Bush now anyway
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:13 PM
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103. I bet his poll numbers go up.....n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:20 PM
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251. You might be right. What are you thinking--a three to five point bounce? NT
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:37 PM
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372. Well it will be the base against everyone else: is there enough downside in everyone else
to offset the rise in his base.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:41 PM
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396. exactly
he doesn't give a flying rat's ass what we think, never has, but now less than ever. he's basically flipping the bird at us.

putrid piece of shite. :grr:
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:03 PM
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62. BASTARD! Fucking Bastard.
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XNGH Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:04 PM
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65. Mafia
The Bush family of crime strikes again ...
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:04 PM
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66. Time to write your congressman
and see if they now will vote for impeachment.. I'll let you know what mine says later..
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:04 PM
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67. MAFIA!!
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:04 PM
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68. As much as I was prepared for this, I'm still floored by it.
If this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back, there won't ever be one.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:05 PM
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69. IMPEACH THE FUCKING KING BOY!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:05 PM
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70. Protesters go to jail in Maine ...

while the bush crony, the convicted felon goes free.


Why, didn't this same thing happen when bush was the governor of Texas.


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:05 PM
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71. IMPEACH, INDICT, IMPRISON.
goddammit.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:09 PM
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383. What'd I miss?
Did we have a temp worker from FreepMate get fired already?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:06 PM
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75. WHAT????!!!!!
If we can impeach a president for lying about a blow job, this asshole deserves to rot in jail!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

dg
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:07 PM
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78. Time NOW for a constitutional Ammendment! NO MORE PARDONS...
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:08 PM by calipendence
... for members of YOUR or past administrations or any entities (U.S. Attorneys, etc.) that you've had the "privilege" of appointing".

We need to get the Rethuglicans on board with supporting a veto-proof majority on this! Tell them if they don't, we will push to impeach Bush and Cheney simultaneously, and make SURE that the voters of the 22 Republican senators up for re-election in states are shown to have voted against apprehending criminals and bringing them to justice for the 2008 election.

The next pardon they issue will also tack ON a trip to the Hague after impeachment for them to "plead their case" against war crimes!
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:39 PM
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281. I believe ...

I believe that either house of Congress should be able to veto any pardon/commutation by a simple majority vote within 90 days. I believe that the executive should be unable to issue pardons as of the night before election night till the end of their term.

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:30 PM
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366. I believe it was Arlen Specter who had raised this idea
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 08:32 PM by jamesinca
The idea of a Constitutional amendment to give Congress some oversight on Presidential pardons after the Mark Rich pardon in January 2001 by President Clinton. Orrin Hatch also had an opinion on this at the time. I am curious it they are of the same mind today?

It is curious that Rudy was the prosecutor and Scooter was the defense attorney on the Rich case back in 1983.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:07 PM
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79. Another example of how corrupt the Republican Party has become
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:10 PM by daleo
Libby will probably have his fine paid by a right wing devotee, and will have a cushy job all ready to go. Bush will pardon him on the way out.

On edit: It reminds me of Syriana - "we need the illusion of due dilligence".
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:09 PM
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84. Bush is looking more like NIXON every day
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:55 PM
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209. Aw, Gee
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:56 PM by ProudDad
That's a rather nasty thing to say about dick nixon...

* is SOOOOOOOOO MUCH WORSE....

nixon isn't in the same criminal ball park with this bush fuck...



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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:07 PM
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232. Well, he's got Fred Fielding, Nixon's attorney, working for him
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 06:08 PM by Penndems
If The Village Idiot hired back every other living Nixon Administration staffer, the picture would be complete. It would be a veritable Nixon redux.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:09 PM
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85. I just heard this on the news.
And just finished cursing at the news story. Will any of these criminals--and I'm referring to members of the administration right up to the top--ever be held accountable for any of the awful things that they do? When? When? When?
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:10 PM
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88. Lame Duck Walking. IMPEACH NOW!!
You damn well better like toast Chimpy.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:11 PM
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90. Chimpy's Statement
The United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit today rejected Lewis Libbys request to remain free on bail while pursuing his appeals for the serious convictions of perjury and obstruction of justice. As a result, Mr. Libby will be required to turn himself over to the Bureau of Prisons to begin serving his prison sentence. I have said throughout this process that it would not be appropriate to comment or intervene in this case until Mr. Libbys appeals have been exhausted. But with the denial of bail being upheld and incarceration imminent, I believe it is now important to react to that decision. From the very beginning of the investigation into the leaking of Valerie Plames name, I made it clear to the White House staff and anyone serving in my administration that I expected full cooperation with the Justice Department. Dozens of White House staff and administration officials dutifully cooperated. After the investigation was under way, the Justice Department appointed United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois Patrick Fitzgerald as a Special Counsel in charge of the case. Mr. Fitzgerald is a highly qualified, professional prosecutor who carried out his responsibilities as charged. This case has generated significant commentary and debate. Critics of the investigation have argued that a special counsel should not have been appointed, nor should the investigation have been pursued after the Justice Department learned who leaked Ms. Plames name to columnist Robert Novak. Furthermore, the critics point out that neither Mr. Libby nor anyone else has been charged with violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act, which were the original subjects of the investigation. Finally, critics say the punishment does not fit the crime: Mr. Libby was a first-time offender with years of exceptional public service and was handed a harsh sentence based in part on allegations never presented to the jury. Others point out that a jury of citizens weighed all the evidence and listened to all the testimony and found Mr. Libby guilty of perjury and obstructing justice. They argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable. They say that had Mr. Libby only told the truth, he would have never been indicted in the first place. Both critics and defenders of this investigation have made important points. I have made my own evaluation. In preparing for the decision I am announcing today, I have carefully weighed these arguments and the circumstances surrounding this case. Mr. Libby was sentenced to thirty months of prison, two years of probation, and a $250,000 fine. In making the sentencing decision, the district court rejected the advice of the probation office, which recommended a lesser sentence and the consideration of factors that could have led to a sentence of home confinement or probation. I respect the jurys verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libbys sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison. My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby. The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged. His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting. The Constitution gives the President the power of clemency to be used when he deems it to be warranted. It is my judgment that a commutation of the prison term in Mr. Libbys case is an appropriate exercise of this power.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003579.php
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:11 PM
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91. I'm so tired of this bullshit. nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:12 PM
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93. That's Bush saying "Fuck you" to justice
Libby was convicted of NUMEROUS crimes beyond a shadow of a doubt.

OMG, the backlash will be severe.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:24 AM
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475. I wonder how all those conservative justices feel?
Aside from betrayed.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:12 PM
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94. Paris Hilton spends more time in the slammer than Scooter.
What's wrong with this picture?

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:15 PM
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105. That may be the single most salient line I've heard yet
and it's beyond scary.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:15 PM
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106. That's the amusing IRONY of it all. And it's a good talking point, worth repeating. NT
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:18 PM
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:22 PM
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132. Everything is wrong with this picture
Not since his daddy has there been a more egregious travesty of justice.

Scooter now joins the illustrious club of convicted felons let off by a Bush.
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GrimReefa Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:33 PM
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545. And not only that, but....
Edited on Tue Jul-03-07 01:34 PM by GrimReefa
...when Paris Hilton got out of jail early, the media (and their sheep, the public) went ballistic. This time, not so much.

In fact, anyone else think it's odd that BushCo would do this right as the Daily Show and Colbert Report went on vacation? Now they know that no one will be paying attention to this story at all.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:12 PM
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95. until these criminal rat bastards are impeached
NOTHING will change and excesses will continue as the norm.
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chiffon Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:12 PM
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96. Unfrickinbelievable!!!
Does the madness ever cease?

I mean really, this is so wrong!!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:12 PM
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98. It's done, let's just work to get these thieving mother fuckers out and forever
We can't reverse it, but we can damn sure rub it in their faces during the debates.
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Wink Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:13 PM
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100. %&#[email protected]$ Scumbags
There needs to be a law that a presidential pardon can not include direct subordinates or anyone in the White House staff. It's obstruction of justice, plain and simple.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:44 PM
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191. In a sane world, this actually serves a useful function.
In a sane world, this actually serves a useful function.

Presidential pardons and commutations of the sitting
Presidential staff prevents a political vendetta
from being pursued against that President.

It does presume, though, that the President is acting
in good faith (a presumption that doesn't seem to
always hold true).

Tesha
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:13 PM
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101. Within 15 minutes
after posting that Bush looked calm and reflective(WAPO) means we are about to get screwed.

Don't be surprised if it is about to get a lot worse. The MSM shrugging this off as usual?
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krj44 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:15 PM
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107. going free and probably
got about 5 mil. and darth dick is probably involved.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:15 PM
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108. IMPEACH NOW or STEP ASIDE!
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:15 PM
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109. I called my Rep. (Betty Sutton) please call yours! n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #109
385. Done at 4:00
and will do it again. I want to hear what my rep thinks on the whole matter.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:17 PM
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111. I'm glad that DU exists
When I heard that I Libby was commuted I ran to my computer for comfort to hear all you guys discussing this latest incident. I think it would break my spirit if I didn't have my like minded thinking friends saying what I am thinking. Is this shit designed to feel like a big kick in the guts to the 70% of Americans' who hate everything about the last 7 years? Well, I ran to all of you, for a hug. I want to offer all of you one back. I wish I could have two strong, manly arms, to hold me while I cry about injustice. I offer all of you two, warm, womanly arms, to hold you like a mother. I hug you DU. And pat you on the back.:cry: :hug: :grouphug: :pals: :loveya:
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deepthought42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #111
173. Me too...
I'm so pissed right now...but I'm glad I'm here... :hug:
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mdelaguna2000 Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:29 PM
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365. Likewise.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:17 PM
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113. To my right wing friend Mitch at The Swamp
Fuck you!
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NW_BEAST Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:18 PM
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116. WTF???
Um....Can I lie to the Feds now too?
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:18 PM
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117. Fuck bush, fuck cheney, fuck 'em all
I just called Senator Grassley's office and left a scathing message. I said that while I realize that the Senate or House can't do anything about this, he (Grassley) should still speak out against it, just because he is a "law and order" type of guy. Will he? Hell no. But If I contact the White House,. ol' Bluzmann may cease to exist. This is just horseshit. IMPEACH NOW!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:18 PM
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119. Yukky night for news....Duncan Hunter called Anne Coulter a great American
...and John Edwards said mean things to Cheney at their debate, so there :sarcasm:

(as told to Al Sharpton guest host for Matthews on Hardball tonight)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #119
126. He's paying her back for endorsing him earlier...
Which kind of figures! He's got an uninvestigated list of criminal acts longer than just about anyone in congress! It figures that she'd like to get a criminal in as president!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:19 PM
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122. Very CONVENIENTLY released right after most congress critters' offices were closed in DC!
They KNOW this will bring down their switchboard!!!
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 03:25 PM
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551. when I called the wh yesterday,
that is exactly what I said to the person who answered the phone.. of course I added that this is another way to mute the voices of the American citizens, but that too, was no surprise. I ended by telling her, I'm unemployed and hers would be one of the jobs I'd turn down flat. I like to sleep at night with a clear mind.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:20 PM
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123. ***Washington Post link & excerpt:
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:24 PM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/02/AR2007070200927.html?referrer=email

Bush Commutes Libby Prison Sentence


By MATT APUZZO
The Associated Press
Monday, July 2, 2007; 5:56 PM

WASHINGTON -- President Bush commuted the sentence of former aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Monday, sparing him from a 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case. Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, according to a senior White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision had not been announced.

Bush's move came hours after a federal appeals panel ruled Libby could not delay his prison term in the CIA leak case. That decision put the pressure on the president, who had been sidestepping calls by Libby's allies to pardon the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney.

Libby was convicted in March of lying to authorities and obstructing the investigation into the 2003 leak of CIA operative's identity. He was the highest-ranking White House official ordered to prison since the Iran-Contra affair.


My interpretation: Bush can't let Libby and the other enabling, criminal scumbags who know damning truths about this administration get squeezed too hard. They can't all have airplane or highway accidents or surprise suicides. If they start talking, the dam will break and this administration's stranglehold on the country will become outed for what it really is. Coverups can only go so far.

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:21 PM
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124. Sonofabitch!
Dammit!:mad: This is pure bullshit:argh:
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:21 PM
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125. Rule of Law? Anyone? Impeach this monster already!
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:21 PM
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127. September, 2003
"If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is and if the person has violated the law, the person will be taken care of," Bush said.

:rofl:

Yeah, right.

:hurts:
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:22 PM
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129. outfuckingrageous.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:22 PM
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130. TO HELL WITH THIS ENTIRE GANG OF CRIMINALS...
there are MORE of US than there are of THEM
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Black Adder Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:22 PM
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131. This was probably arranged long ago.
Keep your mouth shut regarding anyone elses involvement (e.g. Cheney) and you'll never do time...
Once it became clear that could not be done thru the appeals process, Plan "B" kicked in..
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:23 PM
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133. Deleted message
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:23 PM
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134. The appropriate response would have the SS at my door within hours,
so I'm just gonna keep my fingers quiet.

Oh, yeah, and this is ONE MORE REASON TO IMPEACH the fucker.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:24 PM
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135. No surprise here. He would have done this after the election if the
sentencing could have been delayed but with this situation, he had to act now.

Now it will be interesting what the reaction of our Dem leaders will be.

Bush has been able to do anything with them before this, so lets see what their reaction will be on this one.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:24 PM
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136. Bush just hit a new low in his approval rating before this. He's really going to challenge Nixon


graphics from pollkatz.com
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pcboss49 Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #136
147. How low can he go?
I expect the poll numbers to hit below 20 before he is out of office after this move.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #147
155. Bush could care less about the poll numbers. Why should he?
He doesn't care if he hurts his party, or any one else.
And he loves being hated, it makes him feel noble and misunderstood.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:41 PM
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186. Nixon got into the low 20s. I think Bush will equal that "accomplishment" if not exceed it. Graph:

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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #186
224. A vivid picture!
Thanks.
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #186
482. yah, but the fairness doctrine was in effect when Nixon was in office
so the higher numbers for Bush are based on people being given false info. -- would be nice to see a graph that corrects for Fox listeners for example
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:24 PM
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137. My take is Libby has Cheney by the short hairs and was going to squeal.
The hit he is taking now, is nothing compared to what Libby would have brought to bear.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:24 PM
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138. Bush gives the finger to the American system of justice.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:25 PM by mnhtnbb
What did we expect? After all, the Constitution is only a piece of paper.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #138
150. Amerikan justice system was compromised when Bush was given
...the presidency by SCOTUS in 2000. Bush just gave the country the finger
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:24 PM
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139. Now that is allowing a criminal activity to go unpunished to keep
...Libby from talking as to exactly who put him up to the leak. Was it KKKarl Rove? Was it Dick Cheney? Was it George Bush himself? All three?

This is outrageous and most certainly impeachable as a crime was committed.:wtf:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:25 PM
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141. FRAMED BY ROVE?? Former AL Dem Governor led from court in handcuffs directly to jail

FRAMED BY ROVE?? Former AL Dem Governor led from court in handcuffs directly to jail

Why is Libby given such deferential treatment?
How about commuting former Democratic governor, Don Siegelman?

Did Karl Rove and Bush USAs railroad a leading Dem? Compare this:

GO TO JAIL NOW: Former AL Dem Governor gets 7 years despite ROVE frame-up claim.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1224046
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:25 PM
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142. Oh, I'll call my senators and my rep.
I'll call. But I am so sick of calling, and so angry I am crying.

I knock on doors. I make phone calls. I raise money. I vote. What do they do for me and my country?

I am going out to the corn crib to get a pitchfork and a torch. I am going to Washington if I have to go by myself.

Hey Agent Mike: I won't torch anything or poke anyone. My protest will be symbolic. But I can't answer for some of my countrymen. We are up to HERE.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:26 PM
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144. damn
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:26 PM
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145. can't afford to have scooter singing like abramoff....
total fucking crime family. F U George W. Bush !!!!!!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:27 PM
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148. Fucking SOB's and Tucker Carlson SOB Your DAD Paid THIS...and YOU ASSHOLE ARE THERE ON MSNBC
REPORTING...WITH NO DISCLAIMER! FUCK YOU SOB'S! RULE OF LAW! RULE OF LAW ONLY APPLIES TO PAY OFFS TO REPUGS. :puke:
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bkcc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:27 PM
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149. Dare I say IMPEACH?
If people don't see Bush for the shithead he is now, they never will.
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:27 PM
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151. Enough
I never chime in but enough is enough.  What could possibly
next?  Saving the word "Pardon" for the VP I
suppose.  
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #151
221. Welcome to DU Juan_de_la_Dem. .
I wish we could've met under happier circumstances!
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:28 PM
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152. And why shouldn't * commute Libby's sentence? * is teflon. * can do anything, and Dems just sit.

Oh, RIGHT. This is one of those situations where we Democrats are supposed to have PATIENCE with the Beltway Dems and the status quo and the pansy-ass making nice-nice. :sarcasm:


:banghead:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:29 PM
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153. Just heard from Rachel Maddow
A commutation cannot be challenged by any court.

Scooter will never see a second behind bars for this sentence.

Ever.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #153
300. Then all Fitz has to do is prepare to unseal new indictments
to include Scooter, Rove, Cheney and Chimp.

They will all go to the Hague.
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pcboss49 Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:30 PM
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154. Maybe this will force more senator's on the impeach Cheney bandwagon.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #154
161. Yes. You KNOW Cheney is behind this
Impeach the bastard. God knows there are enough charges now.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:31 PM
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157. Now Bush is part of the cover up.
Not that it matters.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:31 PM
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158. please come by and post in the IMPEACHMENT thread
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:32 PM by seemslikeadream
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:31 PM
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159. i called my senators; couldn't leave a message for durbin
but i did for obama

a tearful message

asking him if we can IMPEACH THESE ASSHOLES NOW?? ASKING HIM IF HE CAN SAY THE "I" WORD NOW???
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:31 PM
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160. freepers are so happy that Libby was commuted
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:32 PM
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163. He fucking did it
the mother fucker did it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:33 PM
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164. I just heard on the abc evening news. damm!
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:34 PM
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165. IMPEACH NOW
It is time to remove tyranny.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:34 PM
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166. It's a good thing Bush isn't still texas gov
Libby would've been executed.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:35 PM
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167. Are U SERIOUS???????????
The fuck is going on??? :grr:
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:35 PM
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169. I am sick over this.
Just add it to the list of things to be sick over.

Where is the rule of law? Obviously, laws are meant to be broken by those who have connections in high places.

Argggggh!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:35 PM
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170. Bush argues that the sentence was too harsh??? 30 months with good behavior
would be a piece of cake.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:36 PM
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172. Is there anybody left who doesn't think Bush HAS to be IMPEACHED!
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:41 PM
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187. Our Dem leaders, or most of them yet. Do you think this will change
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:42 PM by EV_Ares
any minds of the Dem powers that be?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:41 PM
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188. The dumbfuck freeps are stupidly happy about this
They are too brainless to understand the ramifications of a president who says fuck you to the entire country and justice system.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #188
276. The Freeps Are Celebrating
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 06:38 PM by Megahurtz
because their Fearless Leader has given them numerous examples that it's okay
to be cheats, liars, thieves, and con artists. That way they can all continue
to treat people the same way and get off scott free.
Get wealthy by conning, cheating, stealing and lie your way out of it
while leaving helpless victims in the dust.

Or better yet just become an Iraq War contractor and make Billions off of killing people.

What a great example for America. :sarcasm:

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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:37 PM
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174. Meanwhile, the former (D) Governor of Alabama has to spend 7 years in prison
for asking a crook to donate to a state educational lottery fund.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:37 PM
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175. Why should a president be allowed to ever interfere like this?
Doesn't seem like a proper system of "checks and balances" when one man can step in and overrule any judgement. That's supposed to be what appeals courts are for, and they already told Libby to piss off.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #175
384. Presidents have always had the power to pardon. not sure how many people have been
pardoned in the last six years but others have wielded the pardon pen early and often.

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm#january202001
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:37 PM
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176. Conyers: Bush Decision "Inconsistent with Rule of Law"
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:39 PM by RamboLiberal
Just out from House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-MI):

"Until now, it appeared that the President merely turned a blind eye to a high ranking Administration official leaking classified information. The President's action today makes it clear that he condones such activity. This decision is inconsistent with the rule of law and sends a horrible signal to the American people and our intelligence operatives who place their lives at risk everyday. Now that the White House can no longer argue that there is a pending criminal investigation, I expect them to be fully forthcoming with the American people about the circumstances that led to this leak and the President's decision today."
Update: According to a senior aide at the House Judiciary Committee, the committee is planning a hearing on the commutation, "as early as next week."

Schumer on Bush Commutation of Libby Sentence
By Paul Kiel - July 2, 2007, 6:32 PM
From Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY):

As Independence Day nears, we are reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003581.php
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:40 PM
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182. Does Conyers really believe what he said here? "I expect them to
be fully forthcoming with the American people about the circumstances that led to this leak and the President's decision today."

If he really believes that, then he is more naive than I thought.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:43 PM
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460. It's that veneer of professionalism
They still don't get that this is a fucking 8-year coup.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:18 PM
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319. Althought the power of the pardon is almost absolute, I think this should be investigated
For a good read on the procedures regarding pardons, check out http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardons3.htm

Sadly, though, the procedures are merely "advisory". According to that site, Clinton also ignored the "advice" of 18 CFR 1.1-1.10.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:37 PM
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177. abc said he did it a moments he stepped off the plane from K. Maine.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:40 PM
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184. WHAT WILL THE DEMS DO?
Sorry to scream, but that is the question.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:46 PM
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195. I have the same thought.
Just wondering if "impeachment is off the table" still.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:42 PM
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189. IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!!!!!!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:27 AM
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468. The Turks agree! :)
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:44 PM
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192. What effect if any will this have on the 08 election?
Will people just ignore this because technically it is legal or will they see it for what it obviously is? Is the election too far away for it to matter?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:45 PM
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193. Too bad Libby didn't have a dime bag on him
He would have gone away for much longer with no chance of parole. Breaching national security is of no concern it appears. :eyes:
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TommyPaine Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:43 PM
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398. So true that - minor drug possession vs. treason?
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 09:45 PM by TommyPaine
Well, I expected no different. You make a good, and very sickening point though - a treasonous offense vs. a minor drug offense, which is worse? Our government is rotting from the inside. We're a nation run by thugs. I trust your garden-variety street corner drug dealer more than our executive branch.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:06 PM
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452. I just posted this earlier -- what our justice system does to those nailed for a pot offense.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:46 PM
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196. Impeach. Indict. Imprison.
And then send them to The Hague.



The Palace of Peace
The Hague
Home of the International Criminal Court

Photo from the Dossier Nederland (Holland)
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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:47 PM
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197. IMPEACH - WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN NOW. SEE LINK BELOW
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #197
364. Thank you so much for that great link. I sent notes to eveyone who is
supposed to represent me.
I started each note with "Impeachment NOW"!!!
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tomjetland Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 10:10 AM
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531. Write to whom?
What do I do now that I live in the gerrymandered congressional district of one F. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI)? Write to representatives from different districts? Write him, tell him I didn't vote for him and that I think he's a dunderhead, and then tell him to impeach?
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:49 PM
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198. Impeach
this rat bastard now. What a disgrace to our country!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:52 PM
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202. Free Alabama former-Governor Don Siegelman. NOW! TONIGHT.
Framed by Rove.
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:52 PM
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203. Now I understand... it's Compassion for Conservatives
IMPEACH.

Another year and a half of Bush and Cheney is the excessive punishment.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:54 PM
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205. someone help me pick my jaw up off the ground?
I can't even think of a word to describe how pissed this makes me. What a goddamned mockery. I know Scooter wasn't convicted of leaking Plames name but can you fucking imagine if it had been someone in a Democratic White House who leaked a covert spy? There would be executions I'm sure of it.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:54 PM
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206. Once again...Prison time and Obeying the Law do NOT apply to the politically powerful
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:55 PM by rpannier
On edit:

The 250,000 dollar fine is negligible. He's raised millions for his defense. He already has the money to pay the fine and even if he didn't have the money, he has enough friends to pay the fine for him.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:54 PM
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207. The toothless,tigress/tiger
if Nancy and the rest of the dems let that lawless,criminal get away with this pardon,all of you are cowards.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:56 PM
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211. That Stupid Bastard.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 05:57 PM
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213. That son of a bitch
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 05:59 PM by Penndems
Libby's sentence was "too excessive"? It wasn't excessive ENOUGH!


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:00 PM
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217. Reid: "Disgraceful. The Libby conviction was one small glimmer of justice which has now been undone"
Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Reid: "Disgraceful. The Libby conviction was one small glimmer of justice which has now been undone"
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1232013#1232013
1232013, Reid: "Disgraceful. The Libby conviction was one small glimmer of justice which has now been undone"
Posted by Bluebear on Mon Jul-02-07 05:43 PM
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:01 PM
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219. and this comes as a shock??
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:02 PM
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220. It was CLINTON'S FAULT
He must have left some of those "get out of jail free" cards lying around when he left.


DAMN CLINTON!!!!







:sarcasm:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:15 PM
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386. be careful what you say
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:24 PM
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542. What's your point? (n/t)
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:03 PM
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222. heard this way down here in Guadalajara, MX.
Bullshit, says I.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:03 PM
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223. where is H2Oman, our Libby guru? We need his talking, er, blogging head
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:03 PM
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225. Bush is an arrogant, no-good bastard.
How I hate that man.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:04 PM
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226. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:04 PM
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227. Ohhh noooo!!! Can't the Attorney General do something?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:13 PM
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239. WHY YEST I THINK HE CAN...HE IS DROPING TROU AND BENDING OVER...
AS WE RANT!
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browndog Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:04 PM
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228. Fed Up In the Military
For security reasons I won't say which service, but what I can say is that I'm on active duty and am terribly ashamed of this belligerent commander-in-thief. He's stolen the hopes of so many, and without so much as a hint of remorse moves forward with wanton disregard for the very bedrock of human dignity and our justice system. You will be held accountable sir...
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:22 PM
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252. Welcome to DU, Soldier
:hi: :patriot:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:11 PM
Original message
yes, a big welcome to you
thanks for your comments
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:36 PM
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334. HEY!
Thank you for your service, browndog. :hug:

History will hold him accountable, though it may take awhile.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:06 PM
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229. Will Bush do the same for everyone else convicted of perjury?
Of course not, typical GOP hypocrisy. Laws are for other people.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:07 PM
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231. It should be quite clear to most Free Thinking Americans
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 06:09 PM by TheWatcher
That we are living under a burgeoning Mafioso Rule, and a blossoming Police State.

No Rule Of Law, No Justice, No Accountability for crimes.

Our government is completely out of control and the Interests of the People, hell The People THEMSELVES are no longer being represented, we have no voice, we have no choice, and this is merely the latest example of insanity run amok.

Please, all of you, wake up to the reality of what you are facing.

Bush and his cabal are not going to be Impeached, and no one is going to come to our aid.

NONE of our leadership from either party are listening to us.

I know many at DU do not care for me, or people who make statements like this.

But I DO love this country, and we must come to grips with what is unfolding.

This is NOT about Democrats VS. Republicans.

OUR ENTIRE GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED US. Both Parties.

Something needs to be done.

There is nothing wrong with holding out hope that somehow, somewhere, someway, that some entity within this out of control government will rise up and do the right thing.

But with each passing day, the atrocities and the trampling of the Constitution and the fabric of our Nation continues unabated, and there aren't really any signs that it is being resisted.

Even if you think this Post is completely full of shit, most of you, if you are honest with yourselves, know something is very, VERY wrong.

The question is simple: What are we going to do?

Because our leaders have left us.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #231
286. i'm listening. and i'm agreeing.
:kick:


disgusted, beyond words.
dp
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FannieandGladys Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #231
448. scooter
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 11:36 PM by FannieandGladys
I agree. My American history is a little fuzzy (I think it's in the Declaration of Independence), but I believe we have reached the point that our government is no longer functioning in the way it was intended, and therefore it is the responsibility of We the People to take it back, by whatever means necessary. I am nearly 45 years old and I have never seen our government more broken. No one in Washington is listening. "Of the people, for the people, by the people", Ha!
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:09 PM
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233. HYE PELOSI...YOU BETTER PUT IMPEACHMENT BACK ON THE TABLE!
IMPEACHMENT IMPEACHMENT. THAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY TOPIC OF DISCUSION FORM NOW ON UNTIL THE END OF THIS TRAVESTY. IMPEACHMENT IMPEACHMENT IMPEACHMNET!!!
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:11 PM
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235. ugly ugly miss administration.. nothing worse than this cabal
It is wrong to pardon this crap. It is wrong wrong wrong wrong. Liars. Cheaters.
Ambasador wilson was just on cnn speaking to this followed by some lube job calling him a liar. utterly wrong. wrong.
Our country is gone.
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19jet54 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:12 PM
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236. The pardon will come on the last day of office...
... a good little soldier doing the work of his master & takes a bullet for him.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:12 PM
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238. I'm happy he did it because there...
are Republicans who do believe in the rule of law.

More votes to impeach his ass.
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:14 PM
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242. I'm sort of happy too
I had sensed some apathy on the left since the '06 election. This is the kind of thing that reminds us all just what we are fighting against.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:13 PM
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241. The Dem response? Schedule a vote on a non-binding resolution condemning Dubya's action
And then fail to actually get the votes needed to pass it.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:14 PM
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243. Here is Bush as Gov. of TX on the issue of clemency
I dont believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own, unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware, or evidence that the trial was somehow unfair.

http://www.thepoorman.net/2007/07/02/justice/

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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:15 PM
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246. How many more straws will it take before this camels back breaks?
Joe Wilson was just on CNN saying that this is the most corrupt administration top to bottom. When will this stop, or are we just entering the next phase of American life as we know it?
:paranoid: :mad: :wtf: :wow:
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:18 PM
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249. This will continue unless the dems cast out their own, and put in people who
WILL do whats right - ie impeach and bring us out of iraq.

The first person we need to throw out is Pelosi.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:23 PM
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323. I think the first person who ought to be thrown out
is George W Bush. Pelosi isn't even on the list.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:23 PM
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254. Too bad he doesn't think Genaro Wilson's sentence is excessive... nt
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BEZERKO Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:26 PM
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258. This typical of the Moron from Midland's administration...
doing a news dump on the American public just before a weekend or a holliday!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:29 PM
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263. quelle surprise -- one thing you have to say for republick party members
is that they stick together, vote together, watch each others backs.

dems will always be eating republick dust until they can figure out to make them pay.




:shrug:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:29 PM
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264. Not Friday? Oh, pre-4ofJ.
Got it.*


And post#6.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:31 PM
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266. I am so fucking angry I don't even know what to say
I left for a walk at 6:20 and had no idea -- in fact for some reason I was in a great mood. "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" was on my iPod and it cheered me up. Then I get home and my husband gives me the news. He's a real kidder so I didn't believe him at first. When I realized it was true all I could do was shout "You've got to be fucking kidding me!"

Everytime I think these guys can't surprise me anymore, they do.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:31 PM
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267. it's an INDISPUTABLE fact now: worst. president.ever.
no one in history comes close to his level of incompetence and callousness.

William Henry Harrison had a more accomplished term and it was 30 days long!
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:34 PM
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270. can he still be pardoned?
g
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:33 PM
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268. They just do whatever they want
This is more evidence that this administration just does whatever they feel like. There is no transparency, no respect for rule of law, no respect for the authority of Congress, no respect for the wishes of the American people. Fortunately I think that this is an issue that if played correctly will only play into the Dems hands in 2008.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:34 PM
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271. right before 4th of July
Justice for everyone and let freedom ring, not.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:35 PM
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272. Talk is cheap....
Well as usual, everyone is saying all "the right things", except they neglect to say what they intend to do about it. Kind of the equivalent of "sending a strongly worded message".

Here's what they had to say...


Melanie Sloan, legal counsel to Joe and Valerie Wilson
First, President Bush said any person who leaked would no longer work in his administration. Nonetheless, Scooter Libby didnt leave office until he was indicted and Karl Rove works in the White House even today. More recently, the vice president ignored an executive order protecting classified information, claiming he isnt really part of the executive branch. Clearly, this is anadministration that believes leaking classified information for political ends is justified and that the law is what applies to other people.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and presidential candidate
This decision to commute the sentence of a man who compromised our national security cements the legacy of an Administration characterized by a politics of cynicism and division, one that has consistently placed itself and its ideology above the law. This is exactly the kind of politics we must change so we can begin restoring the American peoples faith in a government that puts the countrys progress ahead of the bitter partisanship of recent years.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York
As Independence Day nears, we are reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada
The Presidents decision to commute Mr. Libbys sentence is disgraceful. Libbys conviction was the one faint glimmer of accountability for White House efforts to manipulate intelligence and silence critics of the Iraq War. Now, even that small bit of justice has been undone. Judge Walton correctly determined that Libby deserved to be imprisoned for lying about a matter ofnational security. The Constitution gives President Bush the power to commute sentences, but history will judge him harshly for using that power to benefit his own Vice Presidents Chief of Staff who was convicted of such a serious violation of law.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California
The Presidents commutation of Scooter Libbys prison sentence does not serve justice, condones criminal conduct, and is a betrayal of trust of the American people. The President said he would hold accountable anyone involved in the Valerie Plame leak case. By his action today, the President shows his word is not to be believed. He has abandoned all sense of fairness when it comes to justice, he has failed to uphold the rule of law, and he has failed to hold his Administration accountable.

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, and presidential candidate
Last week Vice President Cheney asserted that he was beyond the reach of the law. Today, President Bush demonstrated the lengths he would go to, ensuring that even aides to Dick Cheney are beyond the judgment of the law. It is time for the American people to be heard I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.

Former Sen. John Edwards, presidential candidate
Only a president clinically incapable of understanding that mistakes have consequences could take the action he did today. President Bush has just sent exactly the wrong signal to the country and the world. In George Bushs America, it is apparently okay to misuse intelligence for political gain, mislead prosecutors and lie to the FBI. George Bush and his cronies think they are above the law and the rest of us live with the consequences. The cause of equal justice in America took a serious blow today.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, presidential candidate
Its a sad day when the President commutes the sentence of a public official who deliberately and blatantly betrayed the public trust and obstructed an important federal investigation, said Governor Richardson. This administration clearly believes its officials are above the law, from ignoring FISA laws when eavesdropping on US citizens, to the abuse of classified material, to ignoring the Geneva Conventions and international law with secret prisons and torturing prisoners.

There is a reason we have laws and why we expect our Presidents to obey them. Institutions have a collective wisdom greater than that of any one individual. The arrogance of this administrations disdain for the law and its belief it operates with impunity are breathtaking.

Will the President also commute the sentences of others who obstructed justice and lied to grand juries, or only those who act to protect President Bush and Vice President Cheney?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 02:14 AM
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481. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 01:06 PM
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544. Talk is cheap boys. Ewwww, flood the Whitehouse with calls... ya, Joe, that'll work. n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:35 PM
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273. This deserves impeachment & imprisonment of the whole lot of them.
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Libby, all the way down the line.

Bush Sr called those who would expose CIA assets as "the most insideous of traitors". In order to function the CIA must be able to have agents who are covert, and can be assured that they will be so in spite of the whims the the transient occupants of the Executive.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:35 PM
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274. So Gov. Bush wouldn't commute death sentences in Texas,
but somehow Pres. (sic) Bush manages to locate his compassion for Scooter because his sentence was "excessive."

Damn you to hell, asshole!
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:11 PM
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421. Do you recall that
Then Gov. Bush was caught by a conservative commentator mocking Karla Faye Tucker's plea for clemency:

(From Wikipedia) "In 1999, during the 2000 Republican Presidential primary race, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson interviewed Bush for Talk Magazine (September 1999, p. 106). Excerpt from this interview is quoted below:

In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them", he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'" I must look shocked ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel because he immediately stops smirking.

Bush has LONG been the smirking chimp, AND a monstrous, heartless creature.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 12:46 AM
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471. Apparently, he has been saving up his compassion for just this occasion
because it sure as hell wasn't in evidence while governor of Texas:

This past week The Chicago Tribune published a compelling report on an investigation of all 131 death cases in Governor Bush's time. It made chilling reading.

In one-third of those cases, the report showed, the lawyer who represented the death penalty defendant at trial or on appeal had been or was later disbarred or otherwise sanctioned. In 40 cases the lawyers presented no evidence at all or only one witness at the sentencing phase of the trial.

In 29 cases, the prosecution used testimony from a psychiatrist who -- based on a hypothetical question about the defendant's past -- predicted he would commit future violence. Most of those psychiatrists testified without having examined the defendant: a practice condemned professionally as unethical.

Other witnesses included one who was temporarily released from a psychiatric ward to testify, a pathologist who had admitted faking autopsies and a judge who had been reprimanded for lying about his credentials.

Asked about the Tribune study, Governor Bush said, "We've adequately answered innocence or guilt" in every case. The defendants, he said, "had full access to a fair trial."

There are two ways of understanding that comment. Either Governor Bush was contemptuous of the facts or, on a matter of life and death, he did not care.


http://www.commondreams.org/views/061700-102.htm

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:36 PM
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275. Cute he does this on July 2
so it can sink into the news hole under all of the patriotic BULLSHIT that's going to flood the MSM for the next 2 days.

Clever...


PISS ON ALL FLAGS!!!!
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:36 PM
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277. FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKERS!
that is all.

:mad:
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:38 PM
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279. disgusted, yes, but not surprised... we all knew this was coming, right?
Scooty knows where at least a few of the bodies are buried. The bushistas aren't going to let his loyalty languish in a federal prison, waiting for an expose'.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:40 PM
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282. Fuck impeachment. Storm the Blight House. Frog-march the Bewsh Administration OUT.
Every last one of them. I'm fucking sick of this shit. We're the laughingstock of the world because we're too civilized, fearful and iPod-addled. Bewsh's Blackguard would fire on it's own citizens should we stand up for ourselves. This really IS like something from an Upton Sinclair novel.

The sooner these stains leave OUR office, the better off this country will be.

Has there ever been a more desperado, outlaw president? Has there EVER been a more criminal, rogue. completely above-the-law tin-pot dictatorship ru(i)nning this country? The Reagan Administration planted the dynamite, 41 lit the fuse, Clinton extinguished it, but * TNT'd the US pretty much beyond repair.

You just torched whatever legacy you hadn't, asshole. Your bought-and-paid-for historians will not bullshit your accomplishments the way they did for Reagan. You'll survive your term unscathed because you were lucky enough to have a Tricky Dick to learn from and a media to elevate your two-dollar ass.

Long live the Corporate President. Plutocracy Uber Alles!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:40 PM
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bluecrush Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:45 PM
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289. Didn't we really expect this to happen?
The writing was on the wall but it's still an outrage. Could you imagine John Murtha's response had he been elected House Speaker?
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Handsome Pete Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:45 PM
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290. This could be a good thing....
George just handed the Democratic party the big stick that they need to club the Republican party over the head during the 08 elections.

The main reason the the Repugs took power in the first place was that the Democratic party had lost the perceived "moral high ground"... aka Monicagate and the Clinton impeachment hearings. Now, Scooter Libby is the poster boy for Republican corruption and lawlessness, whether he likes it or not.

In my (feeble) mind, George just drove a big, fat stake into the dark heart of the Republican party. They'll never be able to retake the moral high ground.

So maybe, just maybe, George has royally fvcked the GOP. I think so; for what that's worth.


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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:10 PM
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355. oh please
I understand your point, but the Dems haven't been handed anything they haven't been handed 100 times before. This is just the latest [email protected] by GWB. The Dems need to act NOW, not just sit around until 2008. They have to stop this criminal administration NOW.
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imagine1989 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:34 PM
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434. The silver lining perhaps!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:51 PM
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291. My mouth, just hit the ground.
I'm not believing this.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:54 PM
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295. The monarchy has been restored. Happy Fourth, everyone. n/t
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:58 PM
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302. Joseph Wilson is right: accessory to the crime
But that crime sort of pales in the face of all of Bush's other crimes.
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mtowngman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 06:59 PM
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303. I bet Libby flat out told them "If I go to jail I talk" nt
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:03 PM
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307. Contact Madam Speaker and tell her...
To IMPEACH Bushco, Inc.

It is high time that she put impeachment on the table. Tell her that WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND IT!
No longer will we stand while this administration runs roughshod on our Constitution and its laws. We must act, and let our elected officials know that we will no longer stand for these lawbreakers who are running our country.
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CorruptedLamb Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:10 PM
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313. I'm confused
Please do not go out of control on this post. I am a conservative that reads DU often, and just want a couple of answers, hopefully in a non-flaming response. I just want to know where is the outrage for who "actually" outed a CIA agent? Richard Armitage...

Think for just a minute, will you want to serve in an administration, with the knowledge that you will go to prison if ever forget a conversation? Better keep your Blackberry log! And, you think that Nixon was paranoid by recording everything? Expect every phone call to be recorded, every e-mail to be screened, every moment to be scrutinized. If you want to live in that environment go for it! Me? I will stay in the private sector! Until that is illegal as well!
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:54 PM
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342. I think there is no outrage at Armitage
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 07:59 PM by creeksneakers2
because its believed that Armitage was just a gossip and wasn't part of the effort to destroy every critic and punish every questioner. Its not just the outing of the agent,its the system that lied us into war and how it operated. I still think Armitage, Libby and Rove all should have been tried for releasing classified information.

Libby did not forget. Libby used that defense and it was overcome by mountains of evidence. A jury decided this, and took a great deal of time deliberating to make sure they got the right verdict.

Why would anybody go into public service? It takes an enormous ego. Your private life will be pried apart. No matter how hard you work for the public, most of them will say you are a dirty politician and a crook. The ego overcomes this, as most people in politics believe that they alone have a lock on the truth and they are heroes for protecting America.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:50 PM
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407. Oh please...not this shit again
Armitage was told by Libby - itself an unauthorized disclosure and part of the conspiracy. Armitage is either a remarkable conman (having convinced a federal prosecutor that he didn't know what the hell he was doing) or a doddering old fool, who was told a piece of information by the scheming Scooter Libby who knew damn well that Armitage was a doddering old fool who would blab it to the nearest passerby.

Fitzgerald couldn't figure out which BECAUSE LIBBY PERJURED HIMSELF AND OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE ON THAT VERY QUESTION. Do you get it now? Can you clear the cobwebs away from your dried up brain for the 20 seconds it takes tom comprehend what fucking OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE EVEN MEANS? Or are you so fucking stupid and ideologically fixated that you can pretend that you don't understand the concept of obstructing justice? Fitzgerald was unable to determine the status of Armitage's actions, or the status of a conspiracy whereby Armitage received such information PRECISELY BECAUSE Libby obstructed justice. Get it?
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:51 PM
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409. Libby didn't 'forget', he fabricated a false scenario to mislead investigators
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 09:54 PM by wishlist
You must not have followed the trial or you would know that the evidence was clear that he didn't 'forget' but blatantly lied about how he found out about Plame's CIA identity saying he found out from journalists when in fact he was the crucial first person who revealed her identity to several people in the Administration who subsequently leaked to journalists as did he, in part of what appears to be a concerted effort to leak her identity under VP Cheney's directive. His dishonesty resulting in his perjury and obstruction of justice convictions is the reason the prosecutor was not able to pin down any more serious charges.

As you must recall Martha Stewart served time for lying to FBI in a matter that she thought was a private investment, so Libby was certainly not held to some higher standard or excessive sentence considering the seriousness of the Plame case.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:11 PM
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314. UNFRIGGIN BELIEVABLE!!!
I just don't know what to say!!

:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:






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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:15 PM
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315. This of course is why they must be removed from power and those who have access to power, now.
And not only that, they would have immolated Clinton if they could have.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:15 PM
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316. bush/cheney to libby: aww, heckuva job scooter--pie!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:15 PM
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:05 PM
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418. THAT Was Very Good!! Just About Says It All! n/t
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:17 PM
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318. ITMFA. Period.
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HappyWeasel Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:19 PM
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320. Another moral line has been crossed. 2008 will either be now or never for America.
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 04:09 AM
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487. Disagree. The moral line was crossed long ago.....
2004 I'm thinking, maybe even 2000.

But.....I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:20 PM
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321. They WH has really upped the ante now
So, what's the response? Send the marshall's to arrest those that have ignored subpoenas? :shrug:

Right before 4th of July too (Independence Day, of course)....how ironic

This has turned into a real pissin' contest that's for sure.

Unbelievable.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:21 PM
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322. Sigh. Saw it coming not one, but ten miles away.
They're scum. All of them. Scum.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:24 PM
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324. And the timing -- before the holiday. DAMN HIM!
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Paula Sims Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:24 PM
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325. Call me "pessimistic"
but anyone else think that after a while this will no longer be a "topic" of conversation???
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:26 PM
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326. Yes. That's why it's up to us to remind people.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 07:26 PM by Winebrat
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Paula Sims Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:32 PM
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331. I meant to say
that it might be replaced by something "else", something that the "simpletons" can wrap their "moranic" minds around.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:26 PM
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:26 PM
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328. HAHAHAHA!
I didn't think he'd go near this one. The arrogance, politics, and stupidity of this will go down in history.

Libby was the fall guy; it's true, but all of this nonsense in the effort to protect Dick...

:rofl:

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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:31 PM
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330. And nobody here saw it coming?
OF COURSE Scooter was not going to spend one more day in jail if Bush could help it.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:39 PM
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335. I didn't think Bush would go near it.
It may be his ultimate undoing in terms of history.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:32 PM
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333. Laws are for commoners
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:43 PM
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337. Another step on the path
1. Bush was under considerable right wing pressure to pardon Libby before this. If Bush didn't pardon him then, and only commuted Libby's sentence now, the White House must have had polling or a focus group that told them a pardon would come back to hurt them badly.

2. Democrats are unified now on labeling Bush as a person who holds himself above the law. The press can't ignore this.

3. Congress subpoenaed the White House. The White House will refuse to comply. A showdown is coming.

4. These two stunts together will alert the sleeping public to the fact that fascism is approaching. Bush will clearly be putting himself beyond the control of anyone, making himself a near dictator. Most of the public, other than the wingheads, will be outraged.

5. Republicans will be forced to choose backing the president and satisfying the right wing or writing off 70% of the public. GOP starts to split.

6. Unanswered subpoenas lead to contempt proceedings.

7. Bush responds to contempt issues with a refusal to prosecute or pardons.

8. Crisis. Republicans must choose.

9. Enough votes for impeachment.

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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:59 PM
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348. your keyboard to God's ears...
I don't see it.

No one can stop these people if they are not willing to fight. Right now there does not seem to be enough will anywhere to create a power block big and loud enough to tackle them.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:00 PM
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379. Showdown is coming however...
This has all happened too slowly... There was not enough up front movement towards impeachment right after the NOV elections.... IMHO we will have a POTUS Elect before the Senate delivers a guilty verdict..... Fighting from this position makes the matter of impeachment moot to many politicians on our side.
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celloise Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:43 PM
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338. What's with all this "we can't impeach" business?
If Congress has impeached over a presidential BJ, this should be a piece of cake.
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slestak Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:50 PM
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340. Motherfucker! n/t
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:53 PM
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341. Bush gives us the finger
Once again, Bush/Cheney say fuck you and exerts their power to do whatever the fuck they want.

Once upon a time, I'd be really angry but I won't waste my energy. This is par for the course and I'm not holding my breath for them to stop.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:55 PM
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343. Bastards
Poor Fitz - all that work for nothing.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:10 PM
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354. Not necessarily...
:shrug:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:31 PM
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367. How so?
This is totally legal, BTW. Fitz can't convict Libby again. It's the end of the road. All he can do is preserve the convictions from appeals, which Libby won't bother making now that he's escaped jail.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:56 PM
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345. FUCK.THAT.SHIT!!!!
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:57 PM
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346. wow.
i cant believe im actually surprised by this. they continue to outdo themselves.
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 07:58 PM
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347. Opens the door to put them all under oath
There is so much duplicity in this. To commute a sentence to protect your own interests is criminal and sham justice. You knew it was coming. Now it is time for congress to use this act to open a new inquiry and put them ALL under oath and require them to testify about their roles and involvement in the entire episode.
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:00 PM
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349. If it's "excessive", why not just REDUCE his sentence?
Hmmmmm? Answer that, Bush. So he thinks 30 months is excessive so he reduces it to zero. Un-fucking-believable.

I respect the jurys verdict, Bush said in a statement. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libbys sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison.

And what was all that stuff we heard about "activist judges", who take the law into their own hand? What about that one, Shrubby? I mean, if he respected the law he would let it take it's course instead of being an activist President. I don't hear any freepers complaining about him being activist. *cricket sounds on free republic*
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 06:23 AM
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496. 30 months for four felonies
doesn't sound too "excessive" to me.

I'll just remember that if --God forbid-- anyone in my family gets convicted of a felony.

What a great precedent for future criminals!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:01 PM
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350. "prison sentence... excessive" -- gee, do we need a minumum mandatory for high crimes, now?
talk about "trivializing" crime!
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:01 PM
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351. GDFSOB
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:04 PM
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352. Bush obstructing justice . . . again.
Gosh, I hope they keep impeachment off the table.

We can't afford to have justice in this country at a time of war.
Not like this.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:10 PM
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353. HEY YOU FREEPER BASTARDS
I don't want to hear you screaming about RULE OF LAW ever again - your repuke bastards are the most criminal bunch to EVER occupy the White House
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:13 PM
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356. Mike Malloy - Paris Hilton spent more time in jail
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 08:15 PM by diamidue
than Libby will. Lying to a Federal Investigator is not all that important evidently.
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 08:51 AM
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517. And Martha Stewart
They had to make Martha and Paris examples of this justice syatem. What irony!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:15 PM
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357. I was hoping this was some sort of joke... My stomach just sank to my feet.
There is absolutely nothing that this administration will not stoop to.
Are we doomed? :puke: :scared: :cry:
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:17 PM
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358. Criminals pardoning criminals.....
What a EFFING great civics lesson for my kids.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:23 PM
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360. I am in tears... this is the end of justice
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:23 PM
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361. And what will the Democrats do about this?

***************CRICKETS**************


And to think I couldn't have possibly loathed that war criminal any more.

How dumb of me.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:23 PM
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363. I'm Shocked! Shocked, I Tell Ya!
NOT!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:32 PM
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368. When gangsters rule the government, criminals enjoy the most freedom.
Can't come up with anything more profound than that right now; too pissed.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:32 PM
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369. Aside: Washington Journal should be interesting in the morning (n/t)
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:02 PM
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449. RE: Aside: Washington Journal should be interesting in the morning
Also, KO mentioned that he will have a opinion piece tomorrow calling for Bush and Cheney's resignations. The only guy in the MSM who gets it.
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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:35 PM
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370. Not Surprising At All: Like father (Poppy), like son (Chimpy)....
Fitz, seek condolences from one Lawrence Walsh.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:37 PM
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371. Protecting criminals, if they are buddies, WTF!
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:38 PM
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373. If 30 months is excessive, what is zero months?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:41 PM
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375. Finally! It was like waiting for the proverbial shoe to drop...
We all knew it was coming.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:42 PM
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376. It was either commute the sentence or Libby was going to tell all. n/t
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:51 PM
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I say we march on Washington and demand that the whole lot of
them be thrown in jail!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:09 PM
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420. I'm In For That... Too Bad So Many Others Don't Feel The Same Way!!
I say let them stay right where they are and let's just storm "OUR" WH like nothing they've EVER SEEN!

I can wish anyway!

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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:51 PM
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377. Bush and Cheney should go to jail, serve 30 YEARS for treason
they should serve all the sentences of their crony crooks combined...
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 08:59 PM
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378. I have a workable solution -
Every democrat or progressive in the country let's start it today - refuse to go to the mall shopping until Bush takes back his order.

Absolutely no new purchases!

Watch the economy and the stock market going down.

It will work in just a few months.

Everybody, do you hear me?

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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:03 PM
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381. I'm In... I say lets crash the economy too...thats really the only thing..
that seems to get Pubbies attention anyway.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:08 PM
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382. Crashing the economy
would lead to chaos which would give Bush the perfect opportunity to call for martial law....
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lparsons Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:50 PM
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406. I only wish it would work
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 09:50 PM by lparsons
But this sounds too much like the chain e-mails that go around to not buy gas on a certain day nationwide to bring down the oil companies. I like the way you think, though! Obviously hitting them in their pocketbooks is the most direct way to get noticed. I'm just not sure that there are enough people in the country to do it this way. Even if 1/2 the country stopped going to the malls, I don't know that it would really have much of an impact on these goons.
Remember, they all have money invested overseas, as well. Its not like they care enough about Joe American to actually see that he has a job and can spend money here.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 08:34 PM
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556. It will if 1/2 of the population stop shopping
It didn't matter if 'they' all have money invested overseas. If half the population refuse to buy, these 'they' will lose big time.



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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:02 PM
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380. Why is anyone surprised?
This is EXACTLY why so many of us have been screaming IMPEACH around here for months!
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:24 PM
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388. Can't say it was hard to see comming.
Oh how I hate being right about these degenerate scumbags all the time...
:banghead:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 11:03 PM
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450. I guessed this would happen as soon as Libby went to trial. It's all for show.
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 11:04 PM by file83
This $250,000 fine Libby has to pay, he will get back one way or another from his corporate cronies. Shit, he'll probably make that back in 5 guest appearances at various corporate retreats.

As far as the "felony" record - it'll just proves to future "employers" how far he's willing to stick his neck out for the "common good" (corporate/political corruption). In-other-words, it'll help him get work.

So, without the jail time, Libby basically gets away with the crime of obstructing justice in the investigation of crimes of treason. Great message.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:27 PM
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389. Be patient my friends
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 09:29 PM by KCdemocrat
This is another reason why the Dems will be running both the congress and the WH. And we'll have the 60 votes needed to get things done. Take a deep breath and imagine what's to come. Do not fret, our time will come. Peace.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:00 PM
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416. I Also Wish PEACE... But What Is So Very Disconcerting Is The Fact
that things are in such a mess it's going to be a SUPER tough job trying to clean up just what's on the surface.

All the phone calls, petitions and letters just aren't going to be enough. In many ways IMPEACHMENT is just an EASY WAY OUT for these monsters. I don't know what it's like in the WH these days, but I'm thinking they've just become immunized to any attacks and will stonewall harder than ever! Their legacy will go down in history as the VERY WORST America has ever experienced, but with their kind of money, when it's all said and done... they have enough of it stuffed and stashed in so many places that it will be all the comfort they need.

And yes, I do realize they can do even more damage but why let them slink away? I seriously doubt that any of it fazes them! To think that they have fooled so many with their "act" of being true Christians is beyond my comprehension. There is NOTHING Christian about them and they must be laughing all the way to the bank! They bear the mark of Satan on their foreheads and they wear it proudly!

Because of how our so called Democracy works, all we have left is to PRESSURE the Democrats in Congress enough so they will make the rest of their time in office sheer MISERY! We should unite and begin a real Revolution even if many don't think protesting in the streets makes any difference! They can't arrest ALL of us. My boiling point was reached a long time ago, and it would be nice to see a REAL UPRISING, because even with all the hearings and subpoenas they will simply wait it out until they have to leave! The legal system is much too cumbersome and slow and THEY KNOW IT!

My anger runneth OVER!!

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12 12 2000 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:29 PM
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391. 'GOP' stands for...
Gangsters On the Potomac. Make no mistake - this was a mafia-style intervention to keep Libby quiet, and equates with all the other thug-like actions by this criminal crowd since the election theft of 2000, the atrocity against democracy from which every other mind-bending assault against the people of this country and the world has ensued over the last 6 years. What do you expect from a crowd that strong-armed its way into office, using 'brown-shirts' (with suits and ties) to shut down a legal recount of the votes in Miami for instance, not to mention wrongfully purging tens of thousands of legitimate voters, mostly Democrat, from the rolls? These are gangsters, folks, fascists, (im-)pure and simple. And we've been fucked ever since.
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nc_gadfly Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:33 PM
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392. Even though we all figured something like this would happen...
Edited on Mon Jul-02-07 09:35 PM by nc_gadfly
...I can't help feel enraged by this. But I'm trying to stay civil.

You know who else is feeling the rage? I'm going to try and leave work early to tune into MSNBC at 9pm eastern.

The response by the dems is pretty much what I expected. What I'm waiting to see is how republicans are going to handle this--especially the ones running for Dubya's job. There is no way in hell he can stump for any of them--he's a total liability now.

So how low are the poll numbers going to go you think?

Oh, and I have a tee-shirt with a big upside-down American flag on it. Make no mistake I'll be sporting it on Wednesday.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:36 PM
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394. Did Bush ever commute a sentence for a death row inmate while
he was Governor of Texas?

Like a women or a retarded person, or even an innocent one? Or does he just commute rich, white guys.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:52 PM
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410. Bush commuted the death sentence of Henry Lee Lucas.
"Lucas's sentence was commuted to life in prison in 1998 by then-Governor George W. Bush. His was the only death penalty case among the 153 that came across George W. Bush's desk in his tenure as Texas Governor (including that of Karla Faye Tucker) in which Governor Bush intervened and commuted the death sentence."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lee_Lucas

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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 10:36 PM
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437. Whoa! Is all I have to say after reading that wiki entry
So, what-was-so-special about this guy that GWB would commute his sentence - the ONLY one he commuted EVER - until NOW, of course...

I say again, 'Whoa!'

I was going to use the 'scared' icon, but the 'mad/angry' one is the accurate one to use. There is most certainly evil within our very midst. 'What shall be done about it' is the pregnant question.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-03-07 05:40 PM
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555. He only could commute this one sentence
The Texas Board of Pardons must recommend that a sentence to the commuted before a Governor can do so. This was the only person that the Texas Board of Pardons recommend that it be commuted the entire time that Bush was Governor.
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:40 PM
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395. one criminal standing up for another criminal
I sent an email to the White House and will call tomorrow. Not sure what else I can do that won't get me arrested.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:44 PM
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399. AP: Reaction to Bush's Libby decision


Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject AP: Reaction to Bush's Libby decision
Topic URL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1235020#1235020
1235020, AP: Reaction to Bush's Libby decision
Posted by Kadie on Mon Jul-02-07 08:55 PM

Reaction to Bush's Libby decision

Reaction to Bush's Libby decision By The Associated Press
27 minutes ago



Some reaction to President Bush's decision Monday to commute the sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, sparing him from a 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case.
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"In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing." Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.

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"When it comes to the law, there should not be two sets of rules one for President Bush and Vice President Cheney and another for the rest of America. Even Paris Hilton had to go to jail. No one in this administration should be above the law." Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill.

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"While for a long time I have urged a pardon for Scooter, I respect the president's decision. This will allow a good American, who has done a lot for his country, to resume his life." Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn.

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"Accountability has been in short supply in the Bush administration, and this commutation fits that pattern." Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.

more...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070703/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_quotes_2
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-02-07 09:45 PM
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Contacting the White House
Contacting the White House

Mailing Address:

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washingt