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modrepub Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:27 PM
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19th-century weapon found in whale
Source: AP

BOSTON - A 50-ton bowhead whale caught off the Alaskan coast last month had a weapon fragment embedded in its neck that showed it survived a similar hunt — more than a century ago.

Embedded deep under its blubber was a 3 1/2-inch arrow-shaped projectile that has given researchers insight into the whale's age, estimated between 115 and 130 years old.

"No other finding has been this precise," said John Bockstoce, an adjunct curator of the New Bedford Whaling Museum.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070612/ap_on_re_us/century_old_whale;_ylt=Aq0IxmqonDdzWty5xGY_nIrMWM0F



I had no idea whales lived that long....
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:35 PM
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1. killing whales is sick
there is no excuse for it. none
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:35 PM
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2. Hey, that reminds me of a funny story...
Goes like this...<ahem>

Call me Ishmael. Some years ago--never mind how long
precisely--having little or no money in my purse, and nothing
particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a
little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of
driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I
find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp,
drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily
pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every
funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper
hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me
from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking
people's hats off--then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon
as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a
philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly
take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but
knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish
very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.

There now is your insular city of the Manhattoes, belted round by
wharves as Indian isles by coral reefs--commerce surrounds it with
her surf. Right and left, the streets take you waterward. Its
extreme downtown is the battery, where that noble mole is washed by
waves, and cooled by breezes, which a few hours previous were out of
sight of land. Look at the crowds of water-gazers there.

Circumambulate the city of a dreamy Sabbath afternoon. Go from
Corlears Hook to Coenties Slip, and from thence, by Whitehall,
northward. What do you see?--Posted like silent sentinels all around
the town, stand thousands upon thousands of mortal men fixed in ocean
reveries. Some leaning against the spiles; some seated upon the
pier-heads; some looking over the bulwarks of ships from China; some
high aloft in the rigging, as if striving to get a still better
seaward peep. But these are all landsmen; of week days pent up in
lath and plaster--tied to counters, nailed to benches, clinched to
desks. How then is this? Are the green fields gone? What do they
here?

But look! here come more crowds, pacing straight for the water, and
seemingly bound for a dive. Strange! Nothing will content them but
the extremest limit of the land; loitering under the shady lee of
yonder warehouses will not suffice. No. They must get just as nigh
the water as they possibly can without falling in. And there they
stand--miles of them--leagues. Inlanders all, they come from lanes
and alleys, streets and avenues--north, east, south, and west. Yet
here they all unite. Tell me, does the magnetic virtue of the
needles of the compasses of all those ships attract them thither?

Once more. Say you are in the country; in some high land of lakes.
Take almost any path you please, and ten to one it carries you down
in a dale, and leaves you there by a pool in the stream. There is
magic in it. Let the most absent-minded of men be plunged in his
deepest reveries--stand that man on his legs, set his feet a-going,
and he will infallibly lead you to water, if water there be in all
that region. Should you ever be athirst in the great American
desert, try this experiment, if your caravan happen to be supplied
with a metaphysical professor. Yes, as every one knows, meditation
and water are wedded for ever.

But here is an artist. He desires to paint you the dreamiest,
shadiest, quietest, most enchanting bit of romantic landscape in all
the valley of the Saco. What is the chief element he employs? There
stand his trees, each with a hollow trunk, as if a hermit and a
crucifix were within; and here sleeps his meadow, and there sleep his
cattle; and up from yonder cottage goes a sleepy smoke. Deep into
distant woodlands winds a mazy way, reaching to overlapping spurs of
mountains bathed in their hill-side blue. But though the picture
lies thus tranced, and though this pine-tree shakes down its sighs
like leaves upon this shepherd's head, yet all were vain, unless the
shepherd's eye were fixed upon the magic stream before him. Go visit
the Prairies in June, when for scores on scores of miles you wade
knee-deep among Tiger-lilies--what is the one charm
wanting?--Water--there is not a drop of water there! Were Niagara
but a cataract of sand, would you travel your thousand miles to see
it? Why did the poor poet of Tennessee, upon suddenly receiving two
handfuls of silver, deliberate whether to buy him a coat, which he
sadly needed, or invest his money in a pedestrian trip to Rockaway
Beach? Why is almost every robust healthy boy with a robust healthy
soul in him, at some time or other crazy to go to sea? Why upon your
first voyage as a passenger, did you yourself feel such a mystical
vibration, when first told that you and your ship were now out of
sight of land? Why did the old Persians hold the sea holy? Why did
the Greeks give it a separate deity, and own brother of Jove? Surely
all this is not without meaning. And still deeper the meaning of
that story of Narcissus, who because he could not grasp the
tormenting, mild image he saw in the fountain, plunged into it and
was drowned. But that same image, we ourselves see in all rivers and
oceans. It is the image of the ungraspable phantom of life; and this
is the key to it all.

Now, when I say that I am in the habit of going to sea whenever I
begin to grow hazy about the eyes, and begin to be over conscious of
my lungs, I do not mean to have it inferred that I ever go to sea as
a passenger. For to go as a passenger you must needs have a purse,
and a purse is but a rag unless you have something in it. Besides,
passengers get sea-sick--grow quarrelsome--don't sleep of nights--do
not enjoy themselves much, as a general thing;--no, I never go as a
passenger; nor, though I am something of a salt, do I ever go to sea
as a Commodore, or a Captain, or a Cook. I abandon the glory and
distinction of such offices to those who like them. For my part, I
abominate all honourable respectable toils, trials, and tribulations
of every kind whatsoever. It is quite as much as I can do to take
care of myself, without taking care of ships, barques, brigs,
schooners, and what not. And as for going as cook,--though I confess
there is considerable glory in that, a cook being a sort of officer
on ship-board--yet, somehow, I never fancied broiling fowls;--though
once broiled, judiciously buttered, and judgmatically salted and
peppered, there is no one who will speak more respectfully, not to
say reverentially, of a broiled fowl than I will. It is out of the
idolatrous dotings of the old Egyptians upon broiled ibis and roasted
river horse, that you see the mummies of those creatures in their
huge bake-houses the pyramids.

No, when I go to sea, I go as a simple sailor, right before the mast,
plumb down into the forecastle, aloft there to the royal mast-head.
True, they rather order me about some, and make me jump from spar to
spar, like a grasshopper in a May meadow. And at first, this sort of
thing is unpleasant enough. It touches one's sense of honour,
particularly if you come of an old established family in the land,
the Van Rensselaers, or Randolphs, or Hardicanutes. And more than
all, if just previous to putting your hand into the tar-pot, you have
been lording it as a country schoolmaster, making the tallest boys
stand in awe of you. The transition is a keen one, I assure you,
from a schoolmaster to a sailor, and requires a strong decoction of
Seneca and the Stoics to enable you to grin and bear it. But even
this wears off in time.

What of it, if some old hunks of a sea-captain orders me to get a
broom and sweep down the decks? What does that indignity amount to,
weighed, I mean, in the scales of the New Testament? Do you think
the archangel Gabriel thinks anything the less of me, because I
promptly and respectfully obey that old hunks in that particular
instance? Who ain't a slave? Tell me that. Well, then, however the
old sea-captains may order me about--however they may thump and punch
me about, I have the satisfaction of knowing that it is all right;
that everybody else is one way or other served in much the same
way--either in a physical or metaphysical point of view, that is; and
so the universal thump is passed round, and all hands should rub each
other's shoulder-blades, and be content.

Again, I always go to sea as a sailor, because they make a point of
paying me for my trouble, whereas they never pay passengers a single
penny that I ever heard of. On the contrary, passengers themselves
must pay. And there is all the difference in the world between
paying and being paid. The act of paying is perhaps the most
uncomfortable infliction that the two orchard thieves entailed upon
us. But BEING PAID,--what will compare with it? The urbane activity
with which a man receives money is really marvellous, considering
that we so earnestly believe money to be the root of all earthly
ills, and that on no account can a monied man enter heaven. Ah! how
cheerfully we consign ourselves to perdition!

Finally, I always go to sea as a sailor, because of the wholesome
exercise and pure air of the fore-castle deck. For as in this world,
head winds are far more prevalent than winds from astern (that is, if
you never violate the Pythagorean maxim), so for the most part the
Commodore on the quarter-deck gets his atmosphere at second hand from
the sailors on the forecastle. He thinks he breathes it first; but
not so. In much the same way do the commonalty lead their leaders in
many other things, at the same time that the leaders little suspect
it. But wherefore it was that after having repeatedly smelt the sea
as a merchant sailor, I should now take it into my head to go on a
whaling voyage; this the invisible police officer of the Fates, who
has the constant surveillance of me, and secretly dogs me, and
influences me in some unaccountable way--he can better answer than
any one else. And, doubtless, my going on this whaling voyage,
formed part of the grand programme of Providence that was drawn up a
long time ago. It came in as a sort of brief interlude and solo
between more extensive performances. I take it that this part of the
bill must have run something like this:


"GRAND CONTESTED ELECTION FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES.
"WHALING VOYAGE BY ONE ISHMAEL.
"BLOODY BATTLE IN AFFGHANISTAN."


Though I cannot tell why it was exactly that those stage managers,
the Fates, put me down for this shabby part of a whaling voyage, when
others were set down for magnificent parts in high tragedies, and
short and easy parts in genteel comedies, and jolly parts in
farces--though I cannot tell why this was exactly; yet, now that I
recall all the circumstances, I think I can see a little into the
springs and motives which being cunningly presented to me under
various disguises, induced me to set about performing the part I did,
besides cajoling me into the delusion that it was a choice resulting
from my own unbiased freewill and discriminating judgment.

Chief among these motives was the overwhelming idea of the great
whale himself. Such a portentous and mysterious monster roused all
my curiosity. Then the wild and distant seas where he rolled his
island bulk; the undeliverable, nameless perils of the whale; these,
with all the attending marvels of a thousand Patagonian sights and
sounds, helped to sway me to my wish. With other men, perhaps, such
things would not have been inducements; but as for me, I am tormented
with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden
seas, and land on barbarous coasts. Not ignoring what is good, I am
quick to perceive a horror, and could still be social with it--would
they let me--since it is but well to be on friendly terms with all
the inmates of the place one lodges in.

By reason of these things, then, the whaling voyage was welcome; the
great flood-gates of the wonder-world swung open, and in the wild
conceits that swayed me to my purpose, two and two there floated into
my inmost soul, endless processions of the whale, and, mid most of
them all, one grand hooded phantom, like a snow hill in the air...


Hey, where did everyone go? I didn't even get to the punchline yet...
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:40 PM
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7. Some people can tell a joke. Some people can't.
:rofl:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:35 PM
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3. It's sad its life was cut short.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:37 PM
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4. Did they find Capt. Ahab's ivory leg?
Incredible!
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:39 PM
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6. Ahab's leg was carve from whale bone
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:38 PM
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5. I am sure this one is an exception
most will never live that long due to humans. :(
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:48 PM
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8. Whale population estimates;
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 05:49 PM by A HERETIC I AM
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:01 PM
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9. thanks
I belong to greenpeace and sea shepherd. Thank God for them.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:09 PM
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10. Me too!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 07:04 PM
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18. Just saw Captain Paul at the SIFF premiere of Sharkwater
Y'all gotta see that flick:

http://www.sharkwater.com

Unfortunately, there's a fair amount of brutal shark slaughter footage.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:12 AM
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47. Sea Shepherd rocks
Especially going after the Pacific Pirate Whalers
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:16 PM
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11. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:36 PM
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12. And this ISN'T the first time it's happened!


One of the really interesting animals is the bowhead whale...In May 1993, a very large (54 foot) male bowhead was killed by the Alaskan Inuit. In its side were two stone harpoon points, one of which was last known to be in use in 1881, and not later than 1900. It seems likely that this whale had been carrying around this harpoon point for the better part of a century (I recently had the privilege of holding it in my hand, and it was a very cool experience!)
http://whale.wheelock.edu/archives/ask96/0031.html

Bowhead whales are known to have slow growth rates; they require many years to complete skeletal development and blubber accumulation, hence their relatively long life expectancy around 100 years. This slow growth rate can be considered to be a response to the low prey density because the whales must ingest food slowly and they cannot engulf large volumes of water like their mysticete relatives. The low prey density requires the whales to invest a lot into lipid storage and body mass to ensure success in their harsh environments.
http://biology.mcgill.ca/undergra/c465a/biodiver/2002/bowhead-whale/bowhead2.htm

:headbang:
rocknation


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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:44 PM
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13. Caught? What does it mean by caught? How does one catch a whale?
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 06:45 PM by MasonJar
I assume this whale which survived for over 100 years was caught by murder.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:56 PM
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15. Probably an explosive-tipped harpoon
Indigenous whaling isn't what it used to be.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:37 PM
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52. Actually it appears to be exactly what it used to be...
The harpoon found in it from the 1800s was an explosive tipped harpoon as well.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:58 PM
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16. It's called hunting when it involves animals.
:shrug:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 07:08 PM
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20. Not murder
Eskimos, surviving as they have for generations. They take a small number of whales and it sustains their tribes for the year. They use every part of the animal and nothing is wasted. It's not the same as some massive boat killing 100's of whales for the oil.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 07:11 PM
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21. Yeah.
It's a shame to watch people taking something noble- whale conservation, and turning it into such an ignoble extremism.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:02 PM
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23. I still disagree with whale hunting
Some of my ancestors burned witches, but that doesn't make it ok. Some cultural practices are not ok. For what it's worth, I'm a vegetarian. I think that the modern cultural practices surrounding the harvesting of meat are as bad or worse than killing whales.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:12 PM
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24. These aren't people that can go tend their vegetable gardens
They live in the harshest conditions and their culture has evolved around surviving in those conditions since man first crossed the Bering sea. I can totally understand your dislike of hunting and I respect that.

I just wanted everyone to understand that this is not a case of whaling for fun and profit. This is about a people surving. Much in the way my own ancestors hunted the buffalo on the plains. They took only what they needed and respected the spirits of the animals that sustained them. Someone earlier called them savages. They are far from savage.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:14 PM
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25. I recognize and respect your point.
What idiot referred to people as savages on this board? The savages are Bushco and their cronies.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:24 PM
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28. The deleted sub thread
And yes... Bush and friends are the real savages.

I saw the word savages in relation to native americans and wondered when we had reverted back a century +...yikes
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:20 PM
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26. Who fucking cares what they use. There are better alternatives to all of it.
Cultures change, the idea that a relatively new cultural behavior already changed beyond recognition by modern technology is somehow sacrosanct is unsupportable. Anyhow, change is inevitable as there aren't enough whales to spare.

To say nothing of the horror of killing such an intelligent creature, which alone is reason enough to abhor the practice.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:22 PM
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27. What I'd like to change...
is the part of white american culture that thinks it's OK to force Native Americans to give up their culture and heritage. Talk about savage.

"Anyhow, change is inevitable as there aren't enough whales to spare."

Wrong. The inuit whale hunt is highly restricted and sustainable. Whale populations are rebounding.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:59 PM
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33. "Rebounding"? Of course they are! There was nowhere else to go, except extinct!
The numbers aren't anywhere near able to support hunting, which is why whales are protected under international law by CITES, the IWC, etc. There's no excuse to permit some to hunt but not others, especially when these "indigenous traditional hunts" make ample use of modern technology so there's really no cultural preservation argument to be made.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:02 PM
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34. The IWC disagrees with you.
The numbers are just fine to support this low level hunting.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:07 PM
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35. Have you read about who gets onto the IWC and how?
Just wondering.
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:52 PM
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54. Our numbers are fine too
"Our numbers are just fine too in the military to support the low level loses". I'm sure thats just what motherfucker Bush says too. Hey my son is deployed and his life is important just as this whales life was meaningful. These people should get over their stinking life styles, move, evolve and become vegetarians. I live meat free just fine. Leave the poor creatures alone, they don't belong you. They lives belong to them! I'm tired of fucking humans right now for some goddamn reason!!
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:41 PM
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53. Slavery, war and big oil have all been part of our heritage.
Just because something is heritage and tradition does not mean that it should be preserved.
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:32 PM
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29. Well said...
It's called progress and it's time to stop rationalizing or justifying slaughtering whales.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:20 PM
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39. amen to that, LM.
And whales are not buffalo.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:31 PM
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41. There is a definite correlation between the two
Both once had huge numbers.

Both were hunted by native tribes and they took only what they needed and used almost every part of the animal.

Both were slaughtered by "modern man" almost to extinction for one part of thier body and the rest left to rot.

Buffalo for the hide.

whales for the oil.

Neither would be in danger of extinction were it not for the massive slaughter during that time.



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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 11:04 PM
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43. Lets be realistic though
Would you rather have them gorge on cheap, carb-heavy processed food from down south? Or contribute to factory farming. And yes, I admit that these are straw man arguments to some extent.

But this is a place where gardening and farming is not possible, and humane meat from the south too expensive for most of the community. In this case, using a shoulder gun with an explosive tip isn't a tool to maximize the amount of whales taken (being that there is a quota), but likely to reduce potential injury and to render the kill more humane.

And while I admit that the loss of a bull that age and of the equivalent memory is a sad prospect, that same bull had already been hit once, and had escaped being shipped back to New England in a barrel by the fringes of its baleen. But sooner or later, everybody's luck runs out, this being an extreme case in the later.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:31 AM
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51. Amen, LM. What I want to know about these "indigenous cultures"
is: Do they use motorized vehicles? Do they have electricity? TV? Radio?

Just how "pure" is their culture?

If they are living a modern life, but claiming "cultural need" for whale hunting, I call bullshit.

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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:58 PM
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32. Oil? Did someone say Oil?
Didn't know they had whales in Iraq(n)....better not tell Joe Lieberlite.:sarcasm:
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:22 AM
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49. Not always
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 09:23 AM by KCdemocrat
I watched in horror an Eskimo take down a polar bear with a rifle and a truck. The bear didn't even have a chance. My guide said that the bears sometimes end up on the black market commanding prices like $16,000. Maybe that is what sustains their tribe....
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:09 PM
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36. they snuck up on it and yelled BOO! (actually you're right, it's a case of bloody murder) n/t
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 09:10 PM by anotherdrew
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:51 PM
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14. Nobody knew how long whales live
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 07:03 PM
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17. This whale was part of the small quota Alaskan Eskimos are allowed to hunt
They survive on these hunts and use every part of the whale as they have for many, many centuries. These aren't Japanese fisherman getting rich off these whales. I would be willing to bet these natives have more respect and admiration for whales then given credit for.

It's the same as trying to equate Native American tribes hunting buffolo with the white hunters slaughtering the masses of Buffolo simply for hides and profit. There is a big difference.

With that said "WOW" 115-130 years old. That is amazing.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:13 PM
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37. subsistance hunting is one thing, indeed, this was probably a fair kill
I'd still rather they not do it, as the population is under such pressure.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 07:04 PM
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19. It's so great it's dead!
Now we know how long it HAD lived!

:mad: :puke:
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 07:47 PM
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22. Hunting whales
I don't have a major problem with Inuit occasionally hunting a whale, but I do have a big problem with commercial whaling disguised as "science". Go into any Japanese department store and the bottom two floors below street level are groceries (the entry floor is perfumes). I always shop for groceries when in Japan, and I always see whale meat for sale. This meat comes from "scientific" whaling because commercial whaling is banned. What bullshit.

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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:16 PM
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38. Aboriginal hunting is one thing,
but "scientific" whaling conducted by Japanese and Norwegian, for example, has to come to an end.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:19 AM
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46. Shhhh!
Mention that in this forum and you get threads deleted!

So much for open discussion of the truth eh? :shrug:
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:48 PM
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30. And it had nerve gas and nuclear waste containers in its stomach
Whoops, that's next year's news story, I suppose.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:53 PM
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31. bowheads do...
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 08:54 PM by QuestionAll
they're mentioned in this month's national geographic.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:29 PM
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40. Good thing they killed it. Damn that whale for living so long. eom
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:00 PM
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42. Soon
there will be nothing in the waters and the sea will give up no more secrets. Man's exisitnce on this planet is tied to the living ocean- from the living ocean we came, and to the dead ocean we will go.

Forrests and Oceans, wood and oil, both killed for profit, both of which we need and cannot live without.

So we will not live.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:22 AM
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50. So true.
Farewell, farewell ! but this I tell
To thee, thou Wedding-Guest !
He prayeth well, who loveth well
Both man and bird and beast.

He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small ;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all.

The Mariner, whose eye is bright,
Whose beard with age is hoar,
Is gone : and now the Wedding-Guest
Turned from the bridegroom's door.

He went like one that hath been stunned,
And is of sense forlorn :
A sadder and a wiser man,
He rose the morrow morn.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 11:47 PM
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44. They murdered a senior citizen.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:49 PM
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45. ugh...
for an encore they tracked down a 200-year-old turtle to make soup:puke:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:17 AM
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48. Majestic animal that surviived massive overhunting to near extinction for over a century --
I think that these people can find something else to eat.
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