Don Imus gone from MSNBC

[Bombero1956]

Source: NCB Nightly News

Just announced on NBC Nightly News

Effective immediately Don Imus's program will now longer be carried in MSNBC.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17999196/

[jean]

1. hey, nice avatar!

[Bombero1956]

3. thanks

hope he does well in Minnesota.

[jean]

7. he's scheduled to be on Larry King tonight

[chknltl]

15. I expected him on LK last night but AL got pre-empted by:

"Imus" and the "LBN: Anne Nicole's kid's Daddy is Revealed" show. Way to go Larry King, I am sure you got the Morry Povich fan-base locked in there....do you suppose they'll watch tonight? :banghead:

(I am expecting bush to give Imus a full Presidential Pardon...he surely kept the MSM distracted from talking about the latest bfee scandals for a nice chunk of time)

[Bombero1956]

22. I'll check him out

He's always good for a few good quips and in light of Imus's firing I know he'll weigh in on that topic.

[jean]

23. the other thing is the repub senator from MN, Norm Coleman, just voted AGAINST stem

cell research today and is deeply involved in the US Attorney scandal because of his support for the MN USA, Paulose.

Hopefully Al can nail a few more in Coleman's political coffin tonight.

[Rowdyboy]

2. You beat me to it! Excellent news

Recommended!

[RedSpartan]

4. Link

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17999196/

[saigon68]

73. Joemetium Limpmann was Imus favorite catamite

[Imagevision]

5. Sponsors are finally pulling the ads almost hourly!!

[oldtime dfl_er]

6. Don't mind sayin I told ya so

yesterday even! Yay me and good for MSNBC for doing the right thing. I realize the fact that the sponsors were dropping like flies had a lot to do with it - it's all economics, of course - but it's a good thing nonetheless.

[Bombero1956]

11. so far

American Express
Bigelow Tea
American Express
General Motors
Staples Inc.
Procter & Gamble Co
Ameritrade is possibly next

[MADem]

135. It had EVERYTHING to do with it...and then, there's THIS--IGNORE THIS story, now!!!

Talk about IMUS now....don't, whatever you do, talk about THIS!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/11/white.house.emails.reut/index.html?section=cnn_latest

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Some White House staff wrote e-mail messages about official business on Republican Party accounts, and some may have been wrongly deleted, the administration said Wednesday in a disclosure tied to the inquiry into the firing of eight U.S. attorneys.

The White House said it could not rule out the possibility that some official e-mails relating to the firings had been deleted and are lost.

Democrats in Congress have been seeking copies of e-mails from the Republican National Committee as part of an investigation into whether the firing of the prosecutors last year was politically motivated....

I don't mean to be cynical--or maybe I DO...but I found it funny that the corporate suits at MSNBC used shitheels like ARMSTRONG (sexually harass male aides/take $240K from BushCo UNDER THE TABLE to tout NCLB) Williams, and Jesse "Let me 'counsel' Bill Clinton while I bring MY knocked-up honey-on-the-side to the White House" Jackson as the "Designated Morality Police of the Proper Dusky Hue" to lead the fucking charge about how awful Imus is...like they are the arbiters of outrage? And THEY have the credentials of purity of heart and fulsomeness of purpose to criticize this clown?

I won't even go into the "B" team of John "Say, I fucked the child of my ex-girlfriend and knocked her up, made her get an abortion, even though I am -- hahahaha -- pro-life!"Fund, or Bo "I hate fuckin' everyone who ain't Mobbed UP" Dietl. And let's not even talk about Mike "Let's steal the work of George Carlin" Barnicle--his opinion counts, .... not.

They had every idiot in the world weighing in about how bad Imus was, and none were in position to cast the first stone.


And to make matters worse, there have been many other complaints over the years about Imus and his stunts...yet MSNBC acts as if NOBODY KNEW before this??? Like all this is NEWS to them? Please.

I mean, really, gimme a break. Imus has been an asshole for years, and this latest offense is relatively mild compared to some of his ugly and shitty shenanigans in the past. A fast google reveals all sorts of dreadful incidents. But it's interesting that he, seeing as he's FINALLY gone off the BushCo reservation of late, is now getting "the treatment." It's interesting, how quickly this guy's fortunes changed....how he could say ANYTHING so long as he came down, at the end of the day, on the BushCo team....but the MINUTE he started calling Cheney a war criminal, well, all of a sudden his "outrageous" (read: racist, misogynist, hateful cruel) remarks become "unacceptable"....I gotta say, I am not surprised that there's a backlash, at long, long last....but I AM surprised at the extent. FIRING the guy, for this remark? Why not make him suffer for a month or two? Why not make him keep paying? Why send him AWAY, force him to leave the stage?

Well, it sure shuts him up -- there will be no more calling Cheney a war criminal, nor calling Bush an idiot, will there be?

I have to ask myself "Cui bono?" And the answer I come up with is "Alberto Gonzales."

[nicknameless]

150. Yep. Here are some clips of Imus taking on the reich:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2803253&mesg_id=2803532

[MADem]

155. But...but...but.....Armstrong Williams tells us he must be UNFORGIVEN!!!!

And so does JOHN "Knock up my old girlfriend's teenage daughter" FUND!!! And Jesse "Let me bring my knocked up girlfriend with me to the White House to counsel Clinton" Jackson!!! To say nothing of the rest of the ethically challenged crew they had sitting in judgment!!!!!!!

And all of them did it on MSNBC!!!

Scorn him! Stone him!!!

Before the Rutgers Team even has a chance to meet with him and weigh in, too!!!!

They're only the victims of the remarks...I guess THEIR LOUSY OPINON doesn't count at all, eh???

Gotta put one of these :sarcasm: because there's always some easily offended asswipe who doesn't get the nuance...even with it, there may be one!

[Carni]

199. Thank You! I feel less nuts now...

The minute I heard ImanASS talking about how Cheney should be hung back in January I thought there is NO WAY the reich is going to let this guy stay on the air.

Did the man say a disgusting thing? Yes

Should he pay for doing it? Yes

But would we even be having this conversation if he hadn't made himself an enemy of bushco?

Would he have been canned from MSNBC and now it looks like CBS as well?

Hell no--and as far as the sponsors having to bail? Come on now -- GM? Staples? Those are all VERY bush friendly RW companies, all of a sudden those companies have a moral conscience? I don't think so...

I understand that people are glad to see him go, but I am also very uncomfortable about this situation because of what I describe above.

I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is paranoid about where this may lead! I don't expect that this will be the first of many loud mouths to go--Rush and company will still exist in all their foul splendor.

[MADem]

204. Speech, even odious speech should be protected.

Barney Frank put it best when he talked about Free Speech and speech rights. He said that the laws that protect speech are made for ASSHOLES. And he's right. It's usually the assholes, who say the hateful things, that need their words protected.

But every now and again, it's the person with the UNPOPULAR view that needs their speech protected.

And if we don't protect the speech of the asshole, the unpopular speaker may not have a prayer in the future.

And here we have Imus--an asshole who is saying things that are unpopular to the BushCo crowd. And the things they don't like aren't the Rutgers comments, either...

[yojon]

205. I agree with this completely

Imus is by no means the worst of the right wing radio hate mongers. Savage-Winer, Ann Colter and Rush Limbaugh are much worse but they are still getting lots of air time.

Looks like somebody is making an example of Imus to demonstrate what happens if you turn on BushCo...

[xultar]

8. I don't care if they fire him now. I don't like the fact that MSNBC took his shows

into homes in the AM. Imus had WAY too much access to homes he shouldn't have. So As far as I'm concerned case closed.

[K8-EEE]

9. They should do a Stephanie Miller simucast instead!!

That would be great!

[jgraz]

25. Or they could give Sam Seder a show

I hear he's gonna have some free time during the week.

[Pab Sungenis]

74. Or better yet, Rachel Maddow.

They'd already shot a pilot for a Maddow TV show. She'd be ready to step in.

[krkaufman]

94. Or better yet, Sam Seder!

: )

[jgraz]

133. or even better, Sam, Rachel and Marc Maron

[thereismore]

10. There. I feel relieved. nt

[TransitJohn]

12. Thank God.

Why oh why have they run that blithering asshat for hours every morning for so many years?

[calimary]

76. Lazy programming. Too lazy to hire and develop their own in-house

morning anchor team or morning show. Let's just splice in some other dude who's already known, and already doing it at that hour.

That may have been it, too. A cheap attempt at attracting viewers/ratings/ad buys. You get a known commodity. A Name. Someone already with marquee value, who might bring more people into the tent. And if he's kind of a loudmouth and kinda controversial but not as hard core as Howard Stern, then let's have him. Publicity for the network by bringing Mr. Already-Established Star onboard with his already-established schtick. They didn't even have to hire support people. He was a one-stop shopping opportunity. Might draw a little more publicity if he mouths off, too. It's all good, just so long as they spell the name and the call letters correctly.

But this was too much.

I shall, however, miss having somebody on in morning drive who's willing to call cheney a war criminal. THAT we need. The cheap shot he took against the women's team was just shitty. Tasteless. Unkind. Uncool. STOOOOpid. And whether he personally is racist, or has racist tendencies, it doesn't matter. He said that and frankly, that's all you need to know. Fuck! He wasn't born yesterday. Who the hell does he think he is??? He should know better. Shame on him!!! And he's certainly paying for it.

[wotsofunny]

129. Imus

In your reply
You state the following "whether Imus is a racist or not"
calling anyone a "Nappy headed Ho" is a racist statement
I wonder where your indecision comes from?

[JoFerret]

156. Name calling is easy and cheap

we need people who nail on the issues and help people understand why.

[Doremus]

88. In a word: money.

Way cheaper than producing their own show.

They get to pocket the profits, viewers get immersed in hate speech.

The American way.

[femrap]

13. This is great news...

now let's get some Progressives on the air in that morning time slot!!!

I'm doing a little dance...if I never see his ugly mug again, I'll be happy.

[IndyOp]

14. Celebrate! Nananana hey hey hey goodbye...

Steam - Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Them Goodbye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwnqqj5Q1BU

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

END THE HATE! Hate radio has been rising since 1980... let's use this horrible episode to get it OFF the air.

Because a lot of little girls deserve to grow up knowing only respect...

Amazing Dancing Anna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMnMmnSK1_M&mode=related&search=

[vanboggie]

16. Tweety next!

Hardball is much better with David Gregory.

[nicknameless]

17. Imus got pulled because he made enemies on both sides.

His annihilation of Mary Matalin comes to mind.

It's good news that his racist, sexist crap will be gone. But so will his skewering of the reich.
The ones who won't be fired are the ones who still spew racist and sexist crap -- but don't skewer the reich.

[CreekDog]

24. Imus and Mary Matalin

What happened to Matalian WAS NOT annihilation by Imus.

It was self-immolation by Matalin.

[nicknameless]

26. I watched it.

It's true that if she weren't such a lying sack of shit, it wouldn't have happened.
But he went after her on her lies. She even called him back to say that he had been unfair to her.

[brentspeak]

78. What happened with Matalin?

[nicknameless]

85. Here's the video:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/08/mary-matalin-is-dazed-and-confused


And here he is criticizing the war and Liebermann:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/02/lieberman-clueless-on-walter-reed

Here he slams the military for blaming the troops for the problems at Walter Reed:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/23/imus-wants-to-go-to-walter-reed

Here he calls O'Reilly a “sonofabitch”
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/30/imus-calls-oreilly-a-sonofabitch

Here he criticizes Coulter for her slams of the 9-11 widows, and Matalin for defending her.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/06/10/lady-maccheney-backs-coulter

M$M wouldn't have touched the guy if he hadn't also pissed off the reich.

[brentspeak]

151. Thanks for the links

[krkaufman]

107. In the larger scheme of things, Imus staying or going doesn't help much...

... if people like Glenn Beck are the replacments.

[nicknameless]

124. Exactly.

And you can bet whomever they pick to replace him is just going to be another bushbot.
... NOT someone who is willing to slam the reich.

[Gregorian]

18. Ignore Imus.

I've never heard the guy until last night. He sure has a big head.

[Radio_Lady]

108. You've never seen him? You haven't missed much... Ignorimus -- I love it!

[Gregorian]

128. There's lovely noncommercial college radio.

I have solely listened to the big universities for over twenty years. Of course that means I'm pretty much listening to music. But many are carrying Amy Goodman's Democracy Now.

If there are commercials, I don't do it. That goes for tv as well.

I have no patience for idiots.

[Radio_Lady]

209. Gregorian, I took your advice long before I met you... have been listening

to commercial-free radio for a very long time, especially in New York City, Boston, and now in Portland, OR.

My selection daily is either KBPS, non-commercial classical music; KMHD, college non-commercial jazz format, and of course, KOPB-TV and FM, the station on which I present my weekly audio show.

Your quote is wonderful! "I have no patience for idiots." Ditto.

Good night and good luck!

[Gregorian]

211. Hahaha.

I do say some remarkable things once in a while.

How wonderful!

WMBR has a jazz show on Monday afternoons, or there about.

[Radio_Lady]

212. Ah, yes. WMBR, the MIT radio station.

http://wmbr.mit.edu/

They're largely rock music, as I recall from way back, aren't they?

Also, WMBR's transmitter was not able to get their signal reliably to my home in Sudbury, Massachusetts.

That also used to be a problem with WEEI -- back in the early 1970s. I worked for them six days a week, but on winter evenings when the sun set, they would cut their power back to 1,000 watts nighttime. I couldn't hear them after I got home.

[Gregorian]

214. Yes. The Late Risers Club.

Mostly rock. I'm finally starting to wear out. Partly because there are so many bands now, the concert reports are ten minutes long!

But I think it's time for me to wean myself off radio and start collecting cd's. Donald Byrd, John Coltrane, and a ton of other great musicians I have just let drift into the past. There's a lot of good rock. But it takes a lot of looking to find it now. Whereas I can get out my old Les Brown records and I know I have classic stuff to hear.

Yes, I love Iggy Pop, and Count Basey.

That's neat about your radio experience with WMBR. It's nostalgic.

[Radio_Lady]

215. I was at WEEI and the old WMEX (now both have new call letters).

A lot of the older liberal Boston talkmasters are gone -- Jerry Williams comes to mind. WHDH's Paul Benzaquin would be in his 90s if he's still around. Don't know what happened to Larry Glick. I think WBZ's David Brudnoy may have finally succumbed to AIDS. WEEI's Howard Nelson is no more, and also Les Woodruff. I haven't heard anything about Bruce Lee or Len Lawrence or Ben Farnsworth in years. Steve Fredericks retired from announcing sports in Philadelphia a year or two ago.

We liberal talkmasters from Boston are either gone -- or still chugging along in other ventures. As for Miami, I remember Larry King -- and even dated him a couple of times, but didn't marry him. On second thought, he never asked!

Yes, I guess that's nostalgic!

[Gregorian]

218. No kidding!

That is a lot of experience. I have a friend who left WMBR and is now in Los Angeles. I don't know any of those names. But I'm sure he knows them all.

Larry King. Ha. That's a riot.

I don't have that kind of memory for names. I would give anything. I just observe and listen. And then forget. Everyone is different. You have to have that recall to be in your business.

Well, I'm fading quickly. It's almost TEN O'CLOCK! Time for all geriatrics to go to bed. :)

[Radio_Lady]

219. G'night, Gregorian! I had a nap this afternoon, but I should go to sleep soon!

Good night and good luck...

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[musiclawyer]

19. Mods, please combine threads

[KingFlorez]

20. Good

[superconnected]

21. guess he talked himself out of a job :)

[imax2268]

27. I just have to say...

that I feel a little...and I stress...a little...sorry for the guy...but his show was the most boring show that I have ever seen...I watch MSNBC...it's the only cable news channel that I will watch...and I couldn't stand it when I would turn on the TV in the morning while I was getting ready for work...and have to listen to his drivel...he wasn't funny, I couldn't understand a word he was saying half the time...

Anyway...I hope they fill the slot with something useful and newsworthy...

One thing is for sure...I am sick to death hearing about this...its all over the radio and TV...

Why does the media ignore all the slurs that Boortz, Savage, Limpalls and all the other right wing hate spewers say...?

[roody]

105. How about streaming a good show on the net.

Democracy Now, Pacifica, Free Speech Radio News, etc.

[Eric J in MN]

28. They should put Sam Seder into a TV show in that time slot.

He'll probably get better ratings.

Or simulcast Stephanie Miller.

[Name removed]

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[Kickin_Donkey]

30. Are you sure you're on the right board?

This is Democratic Underground. We fight racism here.

Maybe you should go talk to RimJob.

[FredScuttle]

82. We like piling on cragged-out, corporate-subsidized, nationally broadcast racists

Yes we do.....how sweet it is!!!


on edit: forgot to add "sexist" Yeah, baby!

[Warren Stupidity]

110. The full monty of rw talking points. Bravo!

[matcom]

31. MSNBC - Imus Fired!

Source: TV

IMUS FIRED FROM NBC

edit: link to msnbc banner (top of page)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

No link yet.

[matcom]

32. Tucker JUST announced on MSNBC

looking for link

[Connie_Corleone]

33. Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!

I never thought that would happen!!

[GCP]

34. Is CBS radio still carrying him?

After losing such big commercial giants as advertisers, they may well can him too.

[matcom]

36. so far yes. Simulcast has been dropped

[GCP]

37. I once tried watching the show - it was like watching paint dry

:)

[whopis01]

148. That is a ridiculous statement.

At least when watching paint dry, there is a chance that you might get a little high off of the fumes and find something entertaining.

[IndianaGreen]

53. Before Imus, MSNBC used to simulcast Howard Stern

They should take the hint that TV and shock radio don't mix!

[maddezmom]

164. they did? I remember when he was on the E Channel

but didn't know MSNBC had him, too. I probably was outside of the country and didn't get MSNBC.

[Cha]

35. Good..now for the rest

of the hatemongers.

[oneinok]

39. Good

Imus gets canned on the same day all charges are dropped on the Duke players. There is justice.

[jollyreaper2112]

182. no, there isn't

Ann Coulter still gets air-time.

[Beausoir]

38. Yep! Media Bistro has it, too. Good!

[IADEMO2004]

40. WRONG WRONG WRONG

Al Sharpton twisting the knife now

[matcom]

41. why?

[Connie_Corleone]

42. It's not about Sharpton. It's about the Advertisers

Money talks. Big Corporations were pulling their advertising left and right.

[marshall]

186. Don't tell Sharpton that

He thinks he's on a roll. For him this is just the beginning--rap music and other radio people are next in the firing line.

[Bombero1956]

43. won't be long now

what with sponsors dropping left and right. So far GM,Staples, Bigelow Tea and Proctor and Gamble decided to no longer advertise on his show.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

44. It was inevitable.

The backlash had to start somewhere. Don't you think that there was a backlog of uneasiness at the advertisers that helped their decisions along.

Look on this as cumulative. Because it is. It will also reverberate across the broadcasting industry at large. What was started, arguably, by Bob Grant, so many years ago, seems to have now run its final course. It's all dead but for the dying.

[alcibiades_mystery]

48. Don Imus...victim

:eyes:

[BronxBoy]

51. Gee Thanks

You just reduced the entire Black community down to one person.

How very progressive of you!

[Pale Blue Dot]

60. ALL POWER EMANATES FROM AL SHARPTON!!

He's like the FreeMasons, the Illuminati, and Paris Hilton all rolled into one!

:scared:

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

69. He cast some weird juju on me once.

Turned me into a newt! :)

[qanda]

63. What does Sharpton have to do with this?

[wisteria]

96. This because a cause and a hunt because of Sharpton.

He is responsible for getting Imus fired, him and his phony outrage.

[Warren Stupidity]

113. Oh no! Sharpton is in control of EVERYTHING!

LORD HAVE MERCY.

[Name removed]

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[displacedtexan]

45. Fortunately, MSNBC's reason was "conscience."

And I see that Tucker is behaving less like an ass today.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. You should edit your post .... change 'behaving' to 'acting' ......

....cuz any time he's not an ass, he's acting.

[displacedtexan]

52. Excellent point, Husb2Sparkly!

[Imagevision]

46. MSNBC will no longer carry the Imus simulcast on their network

[orleans]

47. HA! now what about cbs? n/t

[marshall]

49. What about the rest of the week?

They supposedly were going to let him finish the week out before his suspension--"for the children..." because he was supposedly doing some kind of charity work on the air.

It'll be interesting to see if that old warhorse goes down quietly or if he puts up a fight. I watched him yesterday for the first time in weeks and he was saying something about there being repercussions if he were fired. Now's his chance to put up or shut up!

[wisteria]

97. I hope their are, I think this was wrong! n/t

[Carni]

54. I'm sure he'll be replaced by someone *anti-bush*

sarcasm off

I need money, so anyone who wants to bet that someone more *bush friendly* won't fill that time slot--please place your bets here.

Man a whole lot of people walked right into this one!

[BlueManDude]

55. What will Bernard McGuirk do now?

[Bombero1956]

58. not affected

since he's his producer for WFAN I think.

[Radio_Lady]

216. UPDATE: He is a slimeball. Let's hope he washed away with the other piece of trash.

[MaineDem]

59. The radio show is still on

Just the simulcast on MSNBC has been axed.

[Radio_Lady]

91. Where do I send message to get his CBS Radio show taken off?

Bruce Gordon, CBS Board Member, is on Larry King's show tonight (Weds., Apr. 11).

Is this information on the Media list somewhere on DU?

Need Management emails, etc.

[Radio_Lady]

217. UPDATE: Good news! They must have read my messages!

[deacon]

56. And Rush and Savage? This is all bullshit.... n/t

[slackmaster]

70. Follow the money

The impetus for Imus' firing is, like most other business decisions, primarily economic in nature.

[wisteria]

99. And why? Because the heat was turned on. n/t

[wisteria]

98. You are exactly right, it is bullsh*t. n/t

[ryanmuegge]

57. This publicity stunt backfired for Imus...well, in the short-term, at least.

Sure didn't take long for them to get rid of Donahue, though. They delayed this action for a couple weeks. You can tell they really did not want to do it, but it was becoming too much of a PR disaster.

[peacetalksforall]

89. One week. It went very, very fast after the Rutgers press conference.

[high density]

61. that's good

I can't believe they were broadcasting that crap anyway.

[0rganism]

62. this leads immediately to two considerations

1. Who takes Imus' AM slot on MSNBC? Will the replacement be held to a similar performance standard?

2. What does Imus do with his show now that he doesn't have MSNBC buy-in? Will he do a rightwing shock-jock schtick just to keep an audience?

As I've said before, I don't think firing Imus is the best outcome, but now it looks like that's how it goes.

[terisan]

66. If he switches to a right wing shock-jock, would that make him a "ho" ? nt

[0rganism]

87. if by "ho" you mean "typical", then yes

He can call it "Ho Ho Nation"

[NJCher]

141. in defense of ho's

Hey, my husband called me a "ho." A garden ho.



Cher

[0rganism]

193. or perhaps a "garden variety hoe"?

your husband -- what a churlish rake he must be!

[superconnected]

64. Wonder if Faux will hire him.

[Radio_Lady]

92. Another reason to never watch FOX again!

[0rganism]

95. Like you'd need another reason?

No, Fox is too high-end for it, plus the GOP is bending over backwards to appear black-friendly without actually being black-friendly. But I could see Clear Channel picking Imus up in a year or so.

[Radio_Lady]

106. I'm really hoping he is completely unemployable after this.

If you search on the topic of Don Imus, I have been discussing this for years both on and off the radio.

When I worked for CBS Radio in the 1970s, we were closely monitored for any kinds of bias. I went through some harrowing times for some of the things I said. I learned pretty quickly what was acceptable and what was NOT.

It's people like Imus and Stern who have caused the bar to be set much lower. Money drives it, of course. Maybe Imus should move to satellite radio.

[wisteria]

146. Aren't you a nice person. n/t

[Radio_Lady]

208. Yes, as a matter of fact, I am!

Wisteria, this has been a long time coming.

It couldn't have happened to a "nicer guy"! :sarcasm:

Good night and good luck...

[zanne]

187. That was the first thing that entered my mind, too.

I think Fox would jump at the chance of hiring Imus--he'd be big there.

[BeyondGeography]

65. It's a thing of beauty, really

:woohoo:

[wisteria]

101. You think this will help Obama? I think it will hurt him in the voting booth.

People may not want to speak of racism- especially now, but they will act on it quietly- maybe in the voting booth.

[cliss]

67. Maybe it was just an Alibi -

to get rid of the old goat, anyway.
Maybe they were trying to get rid of the Crusty Crony.
This guy is too old. His voice sounds like sandpaper, he slurs, he's got Nuthin to say, anyway.

Good riddance to Bad Rubbish, I say:smoke:

[wisteria]

102. His rating have gone up and up this past year. He was attracting viewers. n/t

[NJCher]

144. ding ding ding

Maybe it was just an Alibi -

to get rid of the old goat, anyway.

I think that's true, too. Great excuse to get rid of him. He's a has-been. Know what my student said about him? He was describing him: "Some old guy who still wears his hair in a mullet."

LOLOL

But I did tell my student he was being "age-ist."



Cher

[bklyncowgirl]

68. How 'bout a little racial diversity at MSNBC--Do they have any black anchors?

Oh wait, Alison Stewart. I forgot.

[Dukkha]

71. a good start. talk radio is a disease in this country

it's time to eradicate all of these smug blowhard hate spewing garbage filled slime from the airwaves permanently.

[greyghost]

75. AMEN...

A good start indeed, Rush Limbaugh comes immediately to mind for an encore.

[pkz]

77. a good start is right

Limpballs has got to go...I am sick and tired of "limp wrist" remarks about every man that is liberal...halfrican...spewing yet more hate rhetoric

[valerief]

72. That's a start for NBCville. Now NBC should drop the Today Show

with that awful Matt Lauer.

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[Cha]

86. Too bad..

I'm happy the ol' coot is Fired.

[peacetalksforall]

104. Most interviews were a waste of time - because of his constant

interruptions and the wandering of his mind. His ego was too big to honor an author the way they deserved. He said inane things that were supposed to be funny. Of course they laughed - but the audience didn't learn much about the book. Maybe a light time was had by all. I squirmed in embarrassment about most of the guests - he abused people and displayed no professionalism. He insulted people. When they walked out, the insults really started to roll. His concentration was/is not as good as George Bush. In fact, it was a lot worse. Charming? Intellectual? Glad you can praise him - perhaps you should send him a letter. Make him feel good.

I only regret the job loss for Chris and Lou.

This is a great start at cleaning up racism and sexism. I really can't quite believe that all those corporations did it. I give credit to mature and admirable students, their coach, and the support of their University. They never displayed one tiny bit of juvenilism, but did display magnanimity.

I knew the minute I heard that press conference that I did not have to be concerned by all the Duers who excused him by asking what about all the other racists and stating that he was only trying to be funny.

Many DUers did not see the opportunity - they didn't see that the door was open and that it was time to act and see it for what it was - a personal attack on people he didn't know who were athlete-scholars. I knew while watching that press conference that there many more important people in this country who would take action.

[shaniqua6392]

170. I agree with you there.

I did not really like Imus...but I would listen here and there. When I heard how he bashes Bush and Cheney and has been criticizing the war and the treatment of veterans..I knew it was only a matter of time. Of course, what he said was horrible. But it certainly is not the first time. The Bush administration is jumping for joy right now. While we were all yakking about Imus, the troops had their tours of duty extended from 12 to 15 months. Can you just imagine how that is going to affect them? Yeah..The quick little press conference announcing that little tidbit by Gates, was squeezed in between Imus and the Duke Lacrosse bull crap. Corporate pressure led to the firing of Imus. The bottom line is money. If they want Imus to be fired from CBS radio, then they should fire Limbaugh, Bill Bennett and a lot of other people. There does need to be some distinction between the radio and television. CBS should let him stay after serving a suspension. As for those people who are so excited that MSNBC can now put on someone like Olberman, etc. Are you kidding me? That is never going to happen. KO is all you are going to get. When the dust settles and Imus is gone...I have a feeling we will not be seeing anyone who will criticize Bush, Cheney, etc. Right wing television rules. I don't think you are going to know the difference between MSNBC and FAUX.

[lonestarnot]

79. Now if they don't replace him with some red tie wearin', lie spewing puke bag

I will be happy about this decision.

[ckramer]

80. To quote Newman of Seinfeld,

"what took you guys so long?"

[Pachamama]

81. Do any of the advertisers who advertised w/ Imus advertise on Rush Limbaugh's program?

Cause if they are so appalled by someone like Imus and call him controversial, they might want to be consistent and stop advertising with that pig too.

[Sparkle]

84. IT'S ABOUT F'ING TIME!

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[wisteria]

103. Yep, they have done it again. n/t

[Old Vet]

109. I agree......

Imus was relentless on bush and cheney,Wheres sharpton and jesse when it comes to Rush and Coulter? Those two spew hateful shit daily, See what everyone thinks when hes replaced with a ultra conservative!

[Warren Stupidity]

115. Damn you found out!

It was supposed to be a secret. Do I have to send all those checks back now?

If Imus called Cheney a war criminal it was squeezed in between numerous paeons to neocon imperialism, racist jokes, homophobic insults, and constant fellatio of one rightwing asshat after another.

[Bluebear]

116. 'this website is pathetic.'

Your being fine with him calling 10 talented young women whores is pathetic.

[wisteria]

143. I would bet they have been called nasty things from the opposing teams while on the court.

Don't you think they have dished out some comments themselves? Come on, these are tough competitive women, they are not weak and meek. They know about playing rough and how to compete.

Imus made some seriously bad comments, but I don't believe for one minute these women are as scared for life and devastated as some have tried to make us believe.
I don't by it.

[Bluebear]

163. Yeah, that makes it all OK. nt

[nicknameless]

127. Anyone who thinks Imus got fired for his racist remarks is naive.

That was just an excuse for them to get rid of him.
It was his slams against the reich that really lost him his job.

The evidence of that will be the fact that the worst of the hate-mongers will remain on the air.

[wisteria]

145. I tend to believe you since this whole thing started with Fox News. n/t

[nicknameless]

147. Here's what I believe *really* lost him his job.

The first clip is him taking on Mary Matalin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2803253&mesg_id=2803532

[wisteria]

93. This is a good day for bullies and those opposed to our first Amendment rights to free speech

and for anyone else that thinks this is the way to deal with discrimination and racism in America. This will further the resentment and bury it deeper down until it reemerges stronger and more dangerous than it was before. Bullying and intimidation is no way to discuss what people don't understand to begin with. And, ultimately, what good will really come from this man losing his job?

Stand up and be proud, those of you who have managed through mob rule, to inflicted a form of censorship on someones speech you didn't care for. Ask yourself, who will be next? What forms of speech and expression will be censored next?

Yes, be proud, you all helped to get a decent man, who didn't make his comments in anger and didn't stop to thing about how wrong they were to make, fired today. Be proud, because now you have sent a message that it makes no difference what good you have ever done, or even if you are sincerely sorry and you apologized, there is no forgiveness or understanding left in America.

And, be proud, because you have just handed Fox News a win.

[stanwyck]

131. I am proud. And thrilled that he's gone.

The man used his nationally syndicated television show to call a group of accomplished young women, who he has never met, "nappy headed 'hos". Maybe that doesn't cross the line for you. Maybe your standards allow young women to be denigrated by a guy on national television. Maybe in your face racism and sexism doesn't bother you. Fortunately, your "standards" didn't prevail.
Again, his giving money to charity, doesn't give him license to smear young women with ugly, racist words. This isn't a "guy with the most money gets to call women whores" kind of a deal. Pay more money and call them niggers, too.
You don't get to buy your right to use your TV show to endorse racism and sexism.
If your values allow you to think a "decent man" is racist and sexist, I feel sorry for you. I wish you knew better men. Your standards appear to be quite low.

[IronScorpio5]

171. Ditto....

political correctness now rules.

those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

[notundecided]

183. I'm with you Wisteria. Great post!

[napsi]

100. I guess I'm one of the few here that find this disturbing.

Why do we get so worked up over someone"s ranting and raving? Is the Rutgers Womens Basketball team and their accomplishments diminshed because of Don Imus? Are we willing to elevate that jerk to that level of significance? Are we becoming so thin skinned that we pull out the bed sheets and run for cover when we hear something offensive? (especially from people who are not close to us)? In my opinion being offended ranks up there with having a bad meal. You get over it and you move on. Don't let the little shits get the best of you.

I seriously fear we are breeding young generations that have no clue how do deal with life and the crap that comes with it. Just my thoughts.......

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[Bluebear]

118. 'I think the last 100 posts were pompous crap. ' We love you too.

:eyes:

[westernpenndem]

158. MSNBC firing was correct; Imus did much good, but cut own throat

I'd bet a million bucks Imus would disagree with you. He knows why he was dropped and he won't make any excuses for it tomorrow. He's survived alcoholism and cocaine addiction and he'll make it past this.

He said something completely out of hand--calling the well-accomplished young ladies on Rutgers' near national championship team "nappy-headed ho's"--and that is why the sponsors withdrew their money and that is why he was dropped. He knows and admits it. It was disgusting, degrading, and inexcusable. Period. Not ethnic humor. MSNBC was right.

Now--I agree Imus had a believable swagger that outdid the phony Bush swagger, and I caught him occasionally, and always loved how he wasn't afraid to call Rumsfeld or Cheney damn idiots on live TV. He did a lot of good in raising funds/awareness for autism, chronically ill kids, and the troops via his show. And I gotta admit, he made me laugh--a tall order on essentially a long, daily political forum.

Those of you who are glad he's gone because he's an old timer better watch it. You'll be there someday, and you better hope people don't dismiss you because you are "old". The Indians had it right--the most respected among their tribes were their oldsters, the tribal "elders." Anybody here like Andy Rooney, for petesake? The guy carries more weight than the whole White House combined. Andy Rocks. Leave age out of this. BTW, I'm under 50, no lie.

Bottom line: Imus not all bad, but did a very bad thing on live TV and deserved what he got tonight from MSNBC. He can talk that way on the sidewalk outside MSNBC, not in a live broadcast chair.

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[Bluebear]

117. "You get over it and you move on." THAT is the advice you have for Rutgers?

[napsi]

126. Damn good advice if you ask me and you did.

Takes too much time and energy to fret and worry about comments from a washed up shock jock...oranyone else for that matter.

[Bluebear]

162. Sorry. I won't forgive speech like this. nt

[onehandle]

111. And yet Coulter is hired over and over and over...

Fire ALL the hate-mongering racists.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

132. They won't fire Coulter.

Not as long as she has tits.

[gristy]

114. This is wonderful

And not just because the bigot was fired. It represents a sea change in public activism. This is huge. I'm serious.
:bounce:

[wisteria]

140. Imus is not a bigot and this will cause resentment.

Your dreaming if you think this will create a sea of change. The only things that will change are the donations to the charities Imus sponsored, his camp for children and his wife's business selling environmentally friendly cleaning products, which by the way donated all the proceeds to his ranch for dieing children and their siblings.
Yeah, good going, you all got a real bad man. Stand up and take a bow!

[IronScorpio5]

172. Agree

nt

[Irishonly]

142. I hope you are right

I have never listened to Imus but I have heard the racism out of Limbaugh's mouth. I hope some of this catched the limbaughs, Coulters and other ils who spew hate.

[Harper_is_Bush]

119. That's too bad. MSNBC made a mistake there IMO. n/t

[Maddy McCall]

120. I've watched Imus for years. I can't believe this.

He's been such a staple on my weekday mornings...I don't know why. I always felt kinda sleazy for watching him. Bernie McGuirk is a disgusting piece of shit...but sometimes it was entertaining, and I always liked it when he went after Republicans.

But having said that...

I am GLAD that his show was pulled. I've seen him cross the line numerous times. When he said what he did about those lovely girls, he sealed his own fate.

I feel no pity for him. He let Bernie run roughshod over minorities and he let him mock people's faith in a very disturbing way.

Kudos to MSNBC for canning him. I hope that they can find something much better to fill the timeslot.

[MADem]

137. Maddy, I think MSNBC still dances to the Bushco tune. See my commentary

way upthread, at #135.

I think they're throwing a guy who stopped high stepping the way they wanted under the bus, to distract from bigger problems. That's what I think...

[winston61]

121. Imus, the ignorant

asshat did not drop out of the sky just last week. This bigoted moron has been around for years and NBC knew his record. Why not take the media and networks to task for having these buffoons on the air in the first place? You do know Glenn Beck works for CNN and Coulter is on the Hannity show almost every week?

[Azathoth]

122. You gotta be kidding me

They fire Imus for making a single nasty racial joke, and they give raises to guys like El Rushbo who have made careers out of racist rhetoric and race-baiting.

What a screwed up country.

[winston61]

123. Amen, Brother-

Racist hate talk owns AM radio in this country and everyone get their panties in a wad over some sick sad old asshat making a very bad joke.

[Azathoth]

125. It's unbelievable

The way people are acting, you'd think Imus was running around in a white sheet setting crosses on fire. I never listen to him, and even I know that he's been firing off stupid and bigoted comments and "jokes" since the 70's.

It seems today that if you want to get away with actual, hardcore racism on the airwaves, all you have to do is call yourself a "staunch conservative" and accuse anyone who takes offense of not "being tolerant".

[wisteria]

139. Absolutely. n/t

[OneBlueSky]

165. um . . . it wasn't just "a single nasty racial joke" . . .

Imus has been degrading people for years . . . it's what he DOES . . . he's said some of the most vile things ever heard on national radio, and it finally caught up to him . . . the latest transgression was merely the straw that broke the camel's back . . . good riddance . . .

as for Rush . . . pick up a copy of the latest Vanity Fair (the "Green Issue") and find the "Rush to Judgement" article . . . to quote . . .

"Attacking environmentalists as hippie-dip 'wackos' who care more about spotted owls than people and use polar bears for propaganda, Rush Limbaugh has blinded millions of Americans to the climate crisis."

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[Old Vet]

188. Hey Blue bear.......................

Are you saying the number of posts in anyway reflects the importance of the poster? Personally I think its all fake outrage and will miss imus being one of the few veteran advocates. But in no way dis-qualify a persons opinion by the number of posts,Coluld some be trolls? Who cares,Welcome to DU.

[Azathoth]

200. Since I don't listen to him, I can't comment on him saying "the most vile things ever heard"

But somehow I doubt he's any worse than Howard Stern, O&A, and the rest of the shock jocks. Based on what little I've seen of his show, and the fact that he's able to get 'respectable' guests, I'm willing to guess that Imus is probably a lot better than guys like Stern, who can't go more than 30 seconds without making a racist, sexist, or otherwise juvenile joke.

As for your quote on Rush, you've proved my point. Rush has dramatically undermined the fight against global warming, one of the most important issues of our time. Imus has never, EVER, done that type of harm to the country. And yet Imus gets fired, and El Rushbo gets a raise.

[autorank]

130. Huge! Now lets slam them real hard when the take cheap shots at DEMS!!! Gore!!!

Remember what the Corporate Media did to Gore. They did it to a slightly lesser degree to Kerry,

They lie for Bush
They lie for Cheney
They lie for their masters

They are not only part of the problem, they're owned by the problem

Edwards showed us the way, Attack. Lets all go after them.

New ownership at the New York Times and Washington Post

Break up all media monopolies, allow real free enterprise.

Way to go all of you whow went after NBC on this. They are truly awful.
Imus has been dong this for decades!

[sellitman]

134. They fired the wrong guy.

His was a comedy show that went off the road. He was known for his sophomoric humor. This time he missed the humor thing badly. If anyone really listened to Imus they would know he isn't a racist. He pokes fun at everyone. Is this kind of humor for everyone? Nope. You don't like it then don't listen. Yes that was a racist comment but you have to see it in context. He was punished, he has been contrite and that should be enough.

The ones who really are racist like Limbaugh, Beck, Oreilly, Hannity etc. still have jobs. How sad.

[wisteria]

138. I agree how sad. People have focused their anger in the wrong direction.

The real haters are still out there and no one will touch them or even fine them for their true hate talk.

[brentspeak]

153. I was thinking the same thing

Not like I find using terms like "nappy headed ho's" either funny or inoffensive, but the simple fact that Imus has even called own wife (a white woman) a "ho" on the air weakens the accusations of racism for him using that language, re. the Rutgers women. If Imus had never used that type of terminology prior to last week's lame "jokes" about the Rutgers womens' basketball team, then one could definitely say he was a racist. I don't like his cranky curmudgeon act, and his attempts to be politically incorrect are tasteless, but even Sharpton knows that Imus' "joke" was a stupid joke gone awry. Anyone who thinks that Sharpton is genuinely outraged at Imus is naive, to say the least; Sharpton's just doesn't want to let an opportunity to get himself in front of the cameras slip away.

[Eurobabe]

160. They are ALL racist bigots spewing hate.

Tell me, what's the line between sophmoric humor and racism/bigotry? I'd love to know.

[sellitman]

180. Look at who is spewing it.

Imus isn't a normal talk show host like Beck or Oreilly. He is a comedic host who made a bad mistake. You don't have to like that kind of humor to admit it exists. Ever listen to comedians in Vegas. White or Black their Shtick can get pretty rough. They are not racists either. Yes they may have racist jokes but they are JOKES. I don't find them funny but many do.

The Rushes of this world are the real problems. If you knew this guy and all he does for white and black kids alike at his Ranch you would know he isn't a racist at heart. Most folks who are piling on Imus never even listen to his show. I don't think that's fair. Everything must be put in context to be fair.

[Eurobabe]

194. Bullshit, Imus has a long standing pattern of verbal chiding

and covert racist remarks. What is it about this that white males just don't seem to understand? Sorry, I said it, but I had an encounter with a racist in my own home this past weekend and I'm fed up with it.

It's not humor, it's hurtful.

[snooper2]

136. This isn't all that it seems.......Good timing for MSNBC

Imus sucks for the failing channel...

I don't know what his viewship is but am sure it's low, because I know of no one who watches his show. But regardless, he probably has some sweet multi-million dollar 10+ year deal. Now with the uproar, MSNBC can probably enact some clause and not have to pay out the full amount. And as a bonus, they can do something, anything, with that timeslot and it will be better than having shit-for-brains on the air. Plus advertisers started pulling out and I'm sure that caused the last little pencil head dick exec. in the conference room to say out with Imus.

This also is why other crack heads like Rush and Weiner Savage are still on A.M. radio. There are enough right wingers at Clear Channel, listerners, and advertisers to make it profitable.

It's always about the dollar with anyone right of center....

[johntully]

149. IMUS On MSNBC

I've posted the interview with Steve Capus, President of NBC News from Hardball with David Gregory right after the decision was made. Also some great video of Obama on Hardball talking about the Imus controversy and then Craig Crawford is brought on and he can't hide his indignation at hearing Armstrong Williams' name announced as a commentator. It's here:
http://broadcatching.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/932/

JT

[daleo]

152. Good riddance

I hope he goes to a well deserved obscurity now, but I have a hunch some sensationalist right wing media player will pick him up again.

[jeff30997]

154. You son of a bitch!

You knew you were gonna get a ton of replies with this ,don't you? :)

[19jet54]

157. Dust-mop head honky prick ...

... BYE! :woohoo:

[Eurobabe]

159. Good, maybe they'll get some REAL news in the AM.

This is not a one time incident from this jerk, it is a pattern. One down and many assholes to go....

[Chipster]

161. Scapegoating Don Imus

Imus is a shock jock. While his language was offensive, and did detract and distract from the Rutgers' team accomplishment, it's nothing not heard regularly in the black community. Imus' mistake was to talk black while white. There's a double-standard at work here. You can see it in this clip of Chris Rock on Bill Maher's show.

Did NBC make the right decision in dropping Don Imus' show from MSNBC?

You can express your opinion to CBS radio.

[Bluebear]

167. Total apologist bullshit. I'm using your link to urge CBS to fire him too.

[Chipster]

197. Bluebear's Puff Piece

Bluebear, Your reply to me was totally non-substantive. I'm not an apologist because I have a different viewpoint than yours. I think Imus is being scapegoated, and I've said so, with a few links. And I'm not the only one. Don Imus: the good-natured racist

I've said that Imus' problem is that he was talking black while white, that there is a double standard here, and I meant it. Black rappers commonly call women hos, boetches, and more, and that speech is tolerated. Those lyrics spread throughout our youth community. We don't react to that as uncivil speech, and the rappers aren't fired for using it. But let a white shock jock (why do you think he is termed that?) say the same thing, and all hell breaks loose. That's a double standard.

It's more than a bit ironic that McQuirk parodied a black director's work. "Meanwhile, there was little mention of the remarks made by Imus's executive producer, Bernard McGuirk, who seemed to instigate the controversial comments during the April 4 broadcast (a video of which quickly found itself onto YouTube and other video websites). McGuirk used language from Spike Lee's School Daze to refer to the women's teams as "Jigaboos versus the Wannabes." Imus's defenders pointed out that the Lee film never touched off a similar uproar."

Rev. Sharpton makes a good point when he says that the public airways shouldn't be used to spread racist and sexist language; it's all uncivil language. That also means that gangsta rap would be off the airways. If we really want to fight racist, sexist language, we should expect the same standard from all people, regardless of age.

Rev. Sharpton also made the point that major networks don't have black commentators. Does he have an ulterior motive? Who can know? But it will be interesting to see if Imus' firing opens up a time slot for Rev. Sharpton in the national media.

[shaniqua6392]

173. The majority of people think it was a bad decision

to drop the Imus show. They could have let him serve a suspension and make some personnel changes and come back on fine. They hung him out to dry as a publicity stunt. MSNBC and NBC have been reporting excessively on this story for the past week. I wondered why. It is really an opportunity to get more viewers to see this story, then fire him to appear holier than thou. Now they will replace it with something that will meet with the approval of the Bush Administration. We can not have someone on t.v. that calls Bush and Cheney war criminals, can we?

[Bluebear]

174. What "majority" are you talking about? Speak for yourself!

I am thrilled that someone who calls talented young women of color just out of high school whores on national TV is gone.

[notundecided]

184. He didn't call them "whores" , he called them "ho's".

[KalicoKitty]

185. Same difference

"Ho" is short for whore, and you know it.

[tomhayes]

196. HO does not equal WHORE in this case

Ho is a mildly to very disrespectful slang for a woman, especially a woman you don't respect.

It's the same way when a man calls another man a faggot he may mean that the man he is calling a faggot is weak, not necessarily a homosexual.

Is any of the above language right? No. But you have to look at the context.

Nappy headed is another very mild insult in the context he used it. It's certainly was not used by Imus in the way Stevie Wonder used it "I Wish" where he says "Looking back on when I was a little nappy headed boy, then my only worry was for Christmas, what would be my toy.", but neither was it used in a way Michael Savage would refer to Muslims as bloodthristy fanatics.

In a world where we have Glen Beck calling Katrina victims SCUMBAGS and Tom Leykis calling women sluts - Imus is just the old cracker at the American Legion trying to appropriate hip-hop slang and doing it poorly and mildly distastefully.

It's pretty clear *to me* he was just cracking wise and trying to mildly put down who he saw on TV that week in a way that would crack his listeners up. I don't think he was trying to ruin some basketball team's accomplishments or direct people to try to buy sex from them.

I'm not a listener, it didn't crack me up, but I think I can recognize there was little to no malice behind his words. Little to no thought behind them either.

Limbaugh, Hannity, Oreilly, Leykis, Beck, et. al BETTER be next on your tour of outrage or you'll be as blustery as a Winiie The Pooh story.

I'll ho-heartily (no pun intended) support you going after the more dangerous ones. But if Jeff and Jer or Scooter and The Fartman are the next up- I'll just think you're wasting time.

[Bluebear]

190. Whore = ho, but thank you for your concern

Or did he mean a gardening tool?

[ShortnFiery]

178. He's a fall guy, perhaps. Also check the misogynistic history within both

Chris Rock's and Bill Maher's shows? Nobody hates women more than these two ... and it shows. ;)

The difference is that the above two are COMEDIANS whereas, Imus was touting that he interviewed the upper tiers of our Political Class.

[19jet54]

191. You're right!

Imus does look like a goat :grr: A Scape-Goat works for me! Drive him into the desert for all our sins, change our behavior by his example, shoot the messenger, kill the son of god; what else is new - Imus got his 30 pieces of silver for his deeds, and he will not be homeless - Boo Hoo! :nopity:

[Mackay]

175. outrage trolls

As for Imus, good riddance... the only time I saw him was on Crooks and Liars... could hardly understand the mumbling guy. His comments were undeniably racist...

But what I find really Freaking annoying are the number of people who can't argue rationally and instead accuse others of being 'Concern Trolls' just because they happen to disagree.

Just for the record, historically speaking the real 'disruptors' in any movement have been those who are so self-righteous and outraged that they are unwilling to listen to others:

"COINTELPRO began in 1956 and was designed to "increase factionalism, cause disruption and win defections"

Maybe someone is too moderate for you... maybe they are flat out wrong... but calling them on their number of posts is pretty pathetic.

--weak--

[Bluebear]

179. Sorry, but there they are.

It may be --weak-- but there it is. And the only argument i have heard so far is "but gangsta rappers say ho!"

THAT is --weak--

[Nuisance Man]

176. MSNBC cancels Imus; will Newsweek fire Howard Fineman?

Now that MSNBC has pulled the plug on talkshow host Don Imus for his overtly bigoted remarks, will Newsweek yank away Howard Fineman’s editorship for his overtly bigoted logic?

Five days after Imus opened his mouth and let the ugliness inside show for the umpteenth time, Newsweek editor Howard Fineman appeared on Imus’ show, like all the other willing abettors who came before, and with a tone of a lecturing grade school teacher offered pearls of wisdom to the besieged casual racist and smiling misogynist. Fineman had this interesting observation:

The environment, politically, has changed. And some of the stuff that you used to do, you probably can’t do anymore…. You just can’t. Because the times have changed. I mean, just looking specifically at the African-American situation. I mean, hello, Barack Obama’s got twice the number of contributors as anybody else in the race. And the kind of — some of the kind of humor that you used to do you can’t do anymore.

Note that Fineman doesn’t say you can’t get away with as much racism any more because people are more sensitive, more easily offended, more likely to complain, and so on. No. Fineman says you can’t get away with as much racism as before because people aren’t as racist. Why else would he bring up Obama’s contributors? People don’t give money to Barney Frank because they’re offended by homophobia. The only possible relevance of the money given to Obama is that a lot of white people are now capable of being so energized by a black man, they’re actually willing to give him some of their hard earned cash. God damn it, that makes life tough for poor, hardworking folks who like to spew racist filth every time they open their mouths. Even if they’re actually rich and get paid to gab.

In other words, Fineman — not me — but Fineman is acknowledging that Don Imus’ ability to get away with this kind of stuff before depended on the fact that the social climate used to be more racist.

But Fineman's logic gets even worse...

[ShortnFiery]

177. Good riddance!

IMO, time, if anything will reveal what a truly bitter man he is. Yes, Capitalism where the advertisers listen to the bottom line and act accordingly. :wow:

They fired him because the advertisers pulled out in droves.

For once, "the people" made a difference. Alleluia! ;)

[Vinca]

181. One down.

Let's not forget the rest, including Beck, Coulter, Malkin and most of Faux Noise. They're equally as repugnant as Imus.

[jodini]

189. agree with wisteria and others...

I think Imus made a stupid comment that offended many, myself included...That being said, he has apologized repeatedly and is supposed to be meeting with the basketball team to attempt to make amends. I think that THIS relentless outcry and 24-7 news coverage has done these women and our country a grave disservice. First, by completely overshadowing important, life and death breaking news concerning Iraq, and the various scandals that are looming large over this administration. Secondly, by framing these intelligent, talented, educated women as "victims". They, no doubt, have the ability to handle themselves with dignity and to stand up to a bully. This country is treating them like little girls that need to be handled with kid gloves and THAT is what I find the most offensive. Furthermore, I do worry that this will build resentment rather than alleviating it. As many have said here, there are plenty others who have said things at least as offensive as this INTENTIONALLY. They have rarely been called to the mat for it (Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh). I also don't think that firing them helps anyone. Their presence on-air gives us frequent the ability to point to the right and their hatred and affords the American public an avenue into the hearts and minds of conservatives.

[Catherine Vincent]

195. Welcome to DU!

Not!

[Chipster]

201. Welcome, jodini

Thanks for putting some thought and effort to expressing your position, instead of just some flippant, "I'm so cute!" non-substantive drivel.

I agree with you that the young ladies are not "victims" but do remember one player saying she was "scarred for life."

Your emphasis on the word intentionally is also well-taken. McQuirk fed Imus a line, and Imus reacted. But compare that to OxyContin Rush sustained arm-flailing to mock Michael J. Fox's and one can see which one scores higher on the "intended injury meter."

[jodini]

203. Thanks!

Thanks so much for the welcome! I'm glad I didn't alienate everyone w/ my 1st post. Maybe I'll wait another couple of years before posting again... To clarify, I would add that I think that Imus was intentionally aiming to get a laugh, failed beyond miserably, but was not intentionally malicious.

[Chipster]

206. Hey jodini!

You hit on my point, jodini. I didn't get the feeling that Imus was malicious, whereas I did think that Oxycontin Rush was being malicious. But now that we've established the standard that racist and sexist language isn't permitted on our nation's airwaves, I'd like to see all gangsta rap off the air, as well. If slang denigrating women is wrong for a white guy, it's also wrong for black guys. Equality, and all that jazz...

[callous taoboy]

192. Good riddance to bad rubbish:

Calling a group of women what he did was outrageous. What if one of those women had been your niece?
What he said was crude, mean, insulting and way, way over the top. One more big-mouthed bigot off the air.

[truthisfreedom]

198. There's always sattelite, Don...

All hope is not lost. 8^P

[Bydand]

202. Imus

Of course he is crude and a jerk. Thats what "shock jocks" do. After accidently tuning him in once for a few minutes, I decided he wasn't worth the effort.

Now would you also please tell me why your outrage doesn't extend to that kindly old senator Birch Bayh who has used the N word ovah and ovah again?

[ohio2007]

207. LOL, an open mike with Howard Stern is standing by

I'm sure Imas has several message from Howard to join him for a session or two

[Warren Stupidity]

210. Stern loathes Imus. nt.

[Radio_Lady]

213. Satellite radio might make strange bedfellows.

I find them cut from the same disgusting cloth.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[MADem]

220. I doubt that. Imus doesn't care for Stern at all. NT