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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:38 PM
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Expert in Russian poisoning case is shot
FBI joins investigation but officials think it's just local crime

By Pete Williams
Justice correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 14 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - FBI agents say they are assisting police in suburban Washington who are investigating the shooting of a Russian expert — a man who spoke out on "Dateline NBC" last weekend and strongly suggested that remnants of the KGB were responsible for the bizarre poisoning death of Alexander Litvinenko.

The Russian expert, Paul Joyal, was shot Thursday night as he got out of his car in front of his house in Adelphi, Md. Investigators in Prince Georges County say a witness claims to have seen two men running away after the shooting. Joyal remains hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the midsection. Authorities have not said whether they've been able to talk to him.

Joyal is a long-time consultant on security and Russian affairs. From 1980 to 1989, he was director of security for the Senate Intelligence Committee.

On last weekend's "Dateline," he said of Litvenenko's death: "A message has been communicated to anyone who wants to speak out against the Kremlin: 'If you do, no matter who you are, where you are, we will find you and we will silence you — in the most horrible way possible.'"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424538/

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 06:40 PM
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1. re: FBI joins investigation but officials think it's just local crime
yeah, right.... No tinfoil needed at all for this one...:eyes:
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:02 PM
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2. It WAS a local death!!!...
In the same way that this was a natural death:

"In an odd twist, another person who appeared on the "Dateline" broadcast died of a heart attack last month. Reporter Daniel McGrory of the Times of London, who has written about the Litvinenko case, died Feb. 20, before the "Dateline" segment was broadcast. He was 54.

His family said he "died suddenly at home."

Right... :eyes:

Also from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424538
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:09 PM
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3. This is just plain creepy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 07:30 PM
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:47 PM
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5. Shot as he got out of his car and two men were seen running away?
Officials say it's a local crime.

Riiiiight. This has Putin's soul-prints all over it.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 07:23 AM
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15. or wealthy Russian oligarchs...
I think Putin is too smart for this... he is former KGB you know ;-)

The oligarchs on the other hand seem to be dumb as a bunch of rocks... but rich enough to get things done...

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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 10:23 PM
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6. This shit has been going on in Russia for so goddamn long now.
Tyrant czars for centuries, overthrown in revolt and turned on by their army, which joined the Revolution, which was betrayed when Napoleon became Mr. Jones, and was ruled by Stalin, who died and left behind a police state, which fell to chaos, and became today's machinegun bureaucracy.

We children of the empire have been fortunate.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 10:41 PM
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7. A Guy Shot In PG County Is News?
Heck, that happens at least twice a day around here. :sarcasm: I have to admit that this one doesn't pass the smell test. I'm sure that our wonderful PeeGee Canny cops will find some gangbanger to blame it on.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 10:54 PM
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8. Outspoken Critic Of Russia Shot In Adelphi
Man Wounded On Driveway

POSTED: 4:45 pm EST March 2, 2007
UPDATED: 6:26 pm EST March 2, 2007

ADELPHI, Md. -- ... Officials said Paul Joyal was walking up his driveway on Lackawanna Street at about 7:30 p.m. when he was confronted by two men and shot ...

Sources told News4's Pat Collins that nothing was taken from Joyal and that someone heard one of the men tell the other man to go ahead and shoot Joyal.

Earlier, at about 6 p.m., Joyal met his friend, Oleg Kalugin, at the Spy Museum. Kalugin, an ex-KGB general, is an advisory director of the museum. After he was shot, Joyal told his wife to call Kalugin to tell him about the shooting, sources told Collins ...

Joyal is a vice president at National Strategies Inc., directing the Law Enforcement and Public Safety division. He was a federal law enforcement officer and director of security for the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence from 1980 to 1989 ...

http://www.nbc4.com/news/11157988/detail.html
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:33 AM
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9. kick
"Joyal met his friend, Oleg Kalugin, at the Spy Museum. Kalugin, an ex-KGB general, is an advisory director of the museum. After he was shot, Joyal told his wife to call Kalugin to tell him about the shooting, sources told Collins."

an ex-KGB general living out his days in the USA?

Joyal gets around ... bio


Paul M. Joyal is a Vice President at National Strategies, Inc. and directs the Law Enforcement and Public Safety division of the company. He has extensive business development experience with law enforcement and national security entities nationwide. He served as a federal law enforcement officer and as director of security for the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence from 1980 to 1989. In addition to his focus on domestic law enforcement and national security entities, Mr. Joyal has extensive international experience as well.

Mr. Joyal founded his own company in 1991 and established joint ventures in telecommunications and air transportation in Russia and Georgia respectively. As Editor-in- Chief of the Daily Report on Russia and the former Soviet Republics, he published a daily intelligence newsletter for ten years and offered a range of consultation services to a number of fortune 100 firms pursuing opportunities in the former Soviet Union, Turkey and Iraq. In 1998, he represented the Georgian government before the U.S. Congress and Departments as its first lobbyist. He previously held the position of Operations Director for Remington Elsag Law Enforcement Systems in its national rollout.

Mr. Joyal serves on the Prince Georges County Law Enforcement Task Force and Governor Martin O’Malley transition team for Public Safety. He holds a Master’s Degree in International Relations from Catholic University and is a frequent commentator on counter-terrorism and intelligence matters for the BBC, ABC, NBC, Dateline, Cross Fire, Time, Newsweek and other media outlets. Mr. Joyal’s professional associations include the International Chief’s of Police Association; the American Society for Industrial Security International and the FBI’s InfraGard organization. He will be a featured speaker in the GovSec convention in May, presenting “Net Centric Public Safety, How Technology and Intelligence methods are changing Law Enforcement Management and Operations for Homeland Security.”

http://www.nationalstrategiesinc.com/team.htm


from the OP link:

In an odd twist, another person who appeared on the "Dateline" broadcast died of a heart attack last month. Reporter Daniel McGrory of the Times of London, who has written about the Litvinenko case, died Feb. 20, before the "Dateline" segment was broadcast. He was 54.

His family said he "died suddenly at home." He was a veteran British foreign correspondent who had reported from several war zones. Just before his death, he had been reporting in Pakistan.


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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:04 AM
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10. Kick.
:kick:
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:05 AM
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11. Expert on Soviet Intelligence Shot in Adelphi
Federal and local law enforcement authorities are investigating a shooting in Prince George's County that critically injured a prominent intelligence expert who specializes in the former Soviet Union.

Paul Joyal, 53, was shot Thursday, four days after he alleged in a television broadcast that the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin was involved in the fatal poisoning of a former KGB agent in London.

Law enforcement sources and sources close to Joyal, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case, said the motive for the shooting was unclear. But several sources confirmed that FBI investigators are looking into the incident because of Joyal's background as an intelligence expert and his comments about the Alexander Litvinenko case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/02/AR2007030201679.html
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:05 AM
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12. Image


Interesting enough the first person who came to mind was Oleg Kalugin (standing to the right of Joyal)
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:05 AM
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13. Christ
So, Vlad can just send goons over here to shoot a critic?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:53 AM
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14. apparently. . or the Goons live here full time.
Edited on Sun Mar-04-07 06:54 AM by annabanana
A couple of buck to a few Russian expats would probably do the trick. They apparently tried jto do it on the cheap, since the guy is still alive...

(I hope he can afford some private security)
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