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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 02:41 PM
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Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 02:47 PM by eppur_se_muova
Friday, Dec. 29, 2006

By John Wharton and Jesse Yeatman
Staff Writers

James Emerick Jamie Dean survived combat in war as an infantry sergeant, but authorities and acquaintances said an upcoming return to active duty deeply troubled him, fueling a standoff this week with police that ended in his death.

Lawmen said this week that they did what they could to peacefully resolve the overnight confrontation off Brown Road in Hollywood. They said it ended shortly after noon on Tuesday when Dean raised a gun at approaching officers. A police sharpshooter fired once, killing him.

The next day, quiet had returned to Dusty Lane, which leads to the Dean familys three homes on cleared land surrounded by woods. James Dean, who turned 29 last weekend, and his wife, Muriel, married last August and had their own home in the Hollywood Shores community, but police report he had gone to his parents home on Christmas night. He was alone there when family members called authorities from elsewhere shortly before 10 p.m. for them to check on his welfare.
He said he was not going to come out that he intended to commit suicide, Cameron said, which began a 14-hour standoff that included gunshots fired at police cars as communications deteriorated. We got into a repetitive kind of conversation, the sheriff said, and he said someone would die that night.

Dean was being activated to go to Iraq, the sheriff said this week, based on comments by the soldiers family and military papers reviewed by investigators.

on edit: This was the front page story in our local paper today. A local guy, a decade and a half younger than me, recently married, gone. Say what you want about the nature of his actions and the response of the police -- none of it would've happened without Bu**sh**'s illegal war. The longer this man stays in office, the more tragic stories we'll read, or hear, or share with our friends and family, or experience for ourselves. This man needs gone soonest.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 02:44 PM
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1. Thanks Bush, you stupid clown. nt
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 03:10 PM
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2. The only thing Bush is concerned about
is what future historians will think of him. That is the only thing that keeps him up at night. Dead U.S. troops don't cost him a wink of lost sleep.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 03:14 PM
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3. I grew up in the 70's so I expect a lot of this for the next
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 03:15 PM by superconnected
two decades. It will be like vietnam soldiers blowing away innocent people at mcdonads, a decade afterward and also killing themselves, having standoffs, etc. It's a big psychological ball of wax right down to the gov not providing health benifits to them for their injurys and their blame of people who didn't support the war for fucking them up psychologically by calling them murderers and baby killer, etc, which like our current troops, many actually are.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:03 PM
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4. Watch that going after the Troops not all are like that
Or are you again calling me a baby killer
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:09 PM
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5. Did I say all, or did I say "many" of them.
Who do you think killed the 100k plus iraqis, anyway?
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 05:01 PM
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6. Bush thats who
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:34 PM
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walk softly Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:48 PM
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8. TIME OUT!!!!!!!!

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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:52 PM
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9. Maybe you should stop yelling
My post was a derrivitive of 3 people, who agree, sitting here at my work.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:24 PM
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10. more casualties of war - the women - the soldiers who returned killed
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 08:43 PM by superconnected

And this is just from Washington state. The artical is a year and a half old.

Home Front Casualties
Murders and suicides by military personnel might be part of the Iraq war toll.
By Rick Anderson
When young Marine Renee DiLorenzo of Whatcom County was shot and killed last month, she became an uncounted statistic of war. Same for Kim Denni, killed last year in a place appropriately called Battle Ground. They are among 10 Western Washingtonians who've died in military-related conflicts since the 2003 invasion of Iraqfour in just a two-week period last month.

None of the casualties, however, occurred in Iraq. Like the others before them, the four all died on the home front: DiLorenzo, 18, who'd just signed up for the U.S. Marines, was killed July 28 by boyfriend Saxxon Rech, 20. Rech, who was mysteriously discharged early from the Marines in February, then turned the shotgun on himself. Army Spc. Leslie Frederick Jr., 23, a decorated Fort Lewis soldier who served in Iraq, committed suicide July 26 in Tacoma. And Army Spc. Brandon Bare, 19, also an Iraq vet, stabbed to death his wife, Nabila, 18, at Fort Lewis, military prosecutors allege.

The case of Nabila Bare is at least the third in the past two years involving a local soldier who killed a lover after returning from Iraq; the DiLorenzo/Rech deaths may also qualify. Altogether since 2003, there have been seven homicides and three suicides on Western Washington soil involving active troops or veterans of Iraq, based on an accounting of medical examiner, military, and news reports. Fives wives, a girlfriend, and one child have been slain; four other children have lost one or both parents to death or imprisonment. Three servicemen have committed suicidetwo of them after killing their wife or girlfriend. Seven of the deaths are linked to soldiers from Fort Lewis. Four soldiers have been sent to prison, and one awaits trial.

No one can say if the killings can be directly connected to the psychological effects of war. But most involve a risk factor distinctive to the militaryarmed men trained to killand some killers carry the invisible scars of war. Bare, for example, was being treated for a brain injury from an Iraq roadside bomb. Army Reserve Sgt. Matthew Denni, who killed his wife, Kimberly, in Battle Ground, Clark County, apparently suffered from the post-traumatic stress of Iraq combat, convincing a jury to convict him of second-degree rather than first-degree murder. Two weeks ago, Sgt. 1st Class James Pitts was imprisoned for drowning his wife in the bathtub of their Lakewood, Pierce County, home just weeks after returning from Iraq. "I wish I was dead," he told a judge.

Statistics on home-front casualties tend to be anecdotal. Neither the Pentagon nor the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) keeps figures on military-involved stateside homicides or suicides. "It's almost impossible to track," says Steve Robinson, head of the National Gulf War Resource Center in Maryland. "I tracked it last year and found as many as 35 suicides , but I am sure it's higher now." Another group, the National Gulf War Service Center, estimates as many as 90 soldiers and vets committed suicide while serving in Iraq or Afghanistan or after returning homeincluding several at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C.

After four women at North Carolina's Fort Bragg were killed by their military husbands over six weeks in 2002, the Army stepped up mandatory counseling on combat trauma and domestic violence prevention. But the Pentagon's mission is fighting real, not imagined, wars, and VA counseling is underfunded. "They're doing something," says Robinson, "but I don't think it's enough."

The Body Count

July 28, 2005Marine veteran Saxxon Rech, 20, given an early honorable discharge from the service in February, killed girlfriend Renee DiLorenzo, 18. DiLorenzo, who'd recently enlisted in the Marines, was shot in the back at Rech's family home in Everson, Whatcom County; Rech then turned the shotgun on himself. A motive is unknown. Rech joined the Marine Corps in November 2003, and officials are so far uncertain why he was discharged after just 16 months, or whether he saw combat in Iraq, where Marines from his regiment have been killed in action.

July 26, 2005Army Spc. Leslie Frederick Jr., 23, stationed at Fort Lewis, shot and killed himself at his South Tacoma apartment. Wounded while serving 15 months in Iraq, Frederick had recently been among the first soldiers to receive the Army's new Combat Action Badge, which represents, says Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, "the Warrior Ethos." Frederick, according to relatives, suffered psychologically from the stress of combat. His wife also won a divorce and custody of their child six days before his suicide.

July 12, 2005Army Spc. Brandon Bare, 19, was arrested and later charged with stabbing to death his wife, Nabila Bare, 18, at their Fort Lewis residence. Nabila was hoping to return to high school for her senior year this fall. Brandon Bare, who was wounded by a March roadside bomb explosion in Iraq, had spent about six months in combat with Fort Lewis' second Stryker Brigade and was receiving counseling for behavioral problems. He faces a military trial.

April 21, 2004Army Sgt. 1st Class James K. Pitts, 32, drowned his wife, Tara Pitts, 28, in the bathtub of their Lakewood home, a few weeks after returning from a year's duty in Iraq. The couple, who had a son, 10, was involved in a domestic dispute after she gave his commander copies of letters revealing Pitts' affair with a fellow soldier in Iraq. Pitts confessed to killing his wife and two weeks ago was sentenced to 20 years for second-degree murder. Pitts' father said after his son returned from Iraq, "All he could talk about was how many people he killed over there and how easy he could do it."

March 18, 2004Army Reserve Sgt. Matthew Denni, 39, shot his wife, Kimberly Denni, 37, at their home in Battle Ground, Clark County. The couple had a 7-year-old daughter. His wife had just told Dennis she was leaving him for another man when he shot her. Denni, who buried her body in a footlocker, later confessed. He served as a supply sergeant in the Iraq war zone and was accidentally wounded by gunfire. Four months ago, Denni got 20 years for second-degree murder, escaping a first-degree sentence after the jury was given evidence that Denni was affected by post-traumatic stress disorder.

July 17, 2003Army Spc. Jeremy L. Meyers, 22, and friend, Spc. Christopher R. Baber, 21, both Fort Lewis soldiers, strangled to death Meyers' wife, Jessica Meyers, 21, who had a five-week-old son. She had been lured to a Tacoma site on the bizarre pretense of faking her death because, her husband convinced her, a paramilitary group wanted to kill her. In fact, the soldier hoped to collect a life insurance payoff and run away with his girlfriend, who was 15. Meyers was sentenced to 41 years. Baber got eight years for manslaughter. Neither had served in Iraq.

April 4, 2003Army Spc. Thomas R. Stroh, 21, strangled his wife, Brittany Stroh, 17, and son Dylan Stroh, 2, at their Fort Lewis home. He later committed suicide driving head-on into a semi truck in Oregon. The Army would reveal little about Stroh's record, insisting he'd been a good soldier. Pierce County detectives, however, learned he was about to be confined to barracks for abusing his wife and being drunk on duty. The Army was unaware of the murders until after they went to clear out Stroh's base belongings. They assumed Brittany and Dylan had departed for parts unknown, then found their bodies hidden in a closet.


Of course all troops aren't doing this, but plenty are coming back f*-ed of enough to do this. It happend with vietnam too. At least in vietnam they were drafted. Then it made more sense when they got back and complained that they had to get shot at and kill people. Now a days I hear all the time how so and so's kid just joined the military and shock shock, is being sent to iraq. Then I get to hear how little johnny was put in dangerous situations and also forced to do what he did. The fact that he signed up for it, isn't supposed to be considered. I'll support our troops because I recognize they actually are dumb kids who haven't put the puzzle together that joinging the army at this time most likely means a trip to iraq and being shot at, and that they actually did choose do this by joining, as well as they chose to shoot people when they are told, by joining. Of course no parent in america can figure that out when jonny joins, they're to busy blamining the gov for sending him to iraq.
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walk softly Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 06:10 PM
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sorry, Watching my grandchildren and their friends going off to this war, I have my own Viet Nam memories. I have friends today dying of cancer from agent orange, relatives who have never spoken a word about what happened over there, and though I can't remember their faces, I remember the friends that didn't make it back from Viet Nam. The war does make a change in people's lives, I'm a 64 year old grandmother and Nam made a profound change on who I am and how I live my life.

I strongly suggest you and your friends watch "The Ground Truth". Check out the website, and I truly hope you give some thought to what's being told.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:41 PM
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11. This is one heck of a statement. He'd rather die than go back
to the iraq war.

Think kids joining will listen, I don't.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 12:09 AM
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14. How armchair warriors voice opinions without knowing what the troops go thru
and add your comments to this thread and dictate what is right or wrong is irresponsible, actually dumb is the word I was looking for.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 12:34 AM
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15. Are you a warrior?
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 12:36 AM by superconnected
I'm against warriors. I'm even against the killing of Hussein tonight.

If you're pro war but at home, then I agree with your statement. If you are pro war but fighting it, I'm sorry for you. Not exactly the best decision one could make.
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:46 PM
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12. what a sad story. i wonder how many others that are similar to this are waiting to happen (eom)
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:21 PM
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13. Bush and Cheney are guilty of that man's death.
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