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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:33 PM
Original message
MSNBC Breaking: Tim Johnson (SD-D) Has "Apparent" Stroke. n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 03:41 PM by Infinite Hope
Update:
1)The Governor would select replacement
2)They don't know how serious it is, they speculate the nervousness surrounding it is merely fear.
3)It's only an "Apparent" stroke right now.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:34 PM
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1. Jesus h. Christ....
n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I couldn't have said it better.
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Ha Ha Ha Oh Wow Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #1
46. Science H Logic!
nt
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #46
141. Fig H. Newton (???)
:sarcasm:
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #46
149. Where's your God now?
Am I doing it right?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #149
211. The Senator is doing alright..
"Admiral John Eisold, Attending Physician of the United States Capitol released a statement Thursday afternoon saying Thompson "continued to have an uncomplicated post-operative course. Specifically, he has been appropriately responsive to both word and touch. No further surgical intervention has been required."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16199440 /

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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #211
213. I'm glad.
I thought I was continuing an inside joke with the 'Ha Ha Ha Oh Wow' guy, but I guess it was just an unbeleivably unlikely coincidence. In seriousness, this kind of thing can't be offerred up as evidence for or against God.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #213
214. hmmm..
what kind of "thing" are you referring to?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:22 PM
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66. Johnson is picked to head: Ethics Committee
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
150. Wow.
I guess this does not qualify as evidence of a just God.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:35 PM
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3. Should anything more unfortuante happen...
would they have an election or an appointment? I know he is up in '08. Would Daschel be brought back?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Is the Governor a Democrat?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. The governor is a republican
Boy oh boy
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. First: Let's hope he gets better...
Second: If he is unable to perform as a Senator, the Governor of SD would appoint a replacement until the next election.

It's hard to complain that this would throw the Senate (which it would), as we gained the same chamber through the appointment of Sen. Carnahan in 2001 (along with the defection of Jeffords).
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. That was in light of a popular-vote loser being appointed to the White House
A GOP app't to a Democratic senate seat would be more evidence of thwarting the people's will
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. What's the precedence on this?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. Who decides if he's unable to perform?
Just out of curiosity, because I remember Jesse Helms and Strom Thurman being wheeled onto the Senate floor drooling and wearing diapers. I always wondered how that determination is made.

Please get better Senator!
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #26
64. Sheesh
Helms and Thurmond were idiots, but were hardly drooling and wearing diapers. States set the rules for determining inability to perform.

Let's just hope that the 'apparent stroke' is just apparent, and that Sen. Johnson is OK.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:47 PM
Original message
Well, apparently a pulse is all you need in the Carolinas.
Both were barely functioning toward the end of their careers. This was during the Daschle period. I remember.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #64
125. No, I'm pretty sure they were drooling and wearing diapers
haha! That's great
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #64
163. While I never saw Strom Thurmond in person...
I did see Jesse Helms, and yes, that's a pretty accurate description.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #26
111. He does according to analysis on TV n/t
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #111
165. Link?
I doubt he 'does' since Thurmond died years ago.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #165
168. He meant the Senator in question, in this case Johnson..n/t
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #168
183. AH
Sorry, I thought he was talking about Thurmond and/or Helms. No wonder it sounded odd :)
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #165
181. years ago?
More like "year ago".
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
121. ROTFL.....
drooling and wearing diapers.... heeheheh.... and then they got old...

:toast:
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #26
198. He does. He has to voluntarily resign. Can't be fired.
Even if he is completely incapacitated, he stays in office until he gets better or passes away.

There is a precedent, though I don't recall the details. It may have been in the thirties. A Senator who was completely incapacitated (due to stroke?) remained Senator for another 4 years.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #198
200. Correction: It was 1969
Republican Karl Mundt suffered a stroke and was unable to do any of the actual work of the Senate. But he remained in office until 1973.
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #198
201. Well, theoretically...
two thirds of the Senate can expel him for being unable to perform his duties. However, I don't see that happening.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #201
204. 15 Senators have been expelled - none of them for being unable to perform
14 of them were charged with supporting the Confederacy. The 15th, William Blount (R-TN), was ousted in 1797 on charges of "Anti-Spanish conspiracy and treason."

So I agree with you. Given this history - and the fact that even if every Republican voted to expel, it would still require 17 Democrats - expulsion is just not likely to happen.
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #204
205. Right...
... the point was that he can, in theory, be "fired" by his fellow Senators. In reality, however, it's not going to happen.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. Hey buddy- Mel Carnahan was elected
and because he was dead, the governor appropriately appointed his wife- as promised. So it's not as if the election was rigged in any way to reflect anything but the electorate's wish.
This is in no way comparable.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #29
53. Thanks for pointing it out. Only the most determined would try to misrepresent the facts.
It most certainly isn't comparable.
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #29
65. Never said it was rigged or dishonest....
Just that it flipped control of the Senate. If the 'will of the people' argument held, one might remember that Jeffords was elected as a Republican, so their will was thwarted.

Not saying it wasn't a good thing that the Sen was switched (and it certainly didn't do it's job checking exec power when it did), but that there is a precedent.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #65
77. Yeah, the will of the people of Vermont was really thwarted by Jeffords. From
what I gather, he was generally despised in Vermont for taking the U.S. Senate out of Trent Lott's hands. Sure he was.
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #77
82. Good Lord
The same logic applies to the people of SD, don't you think? While a very blue state elected a Republican, he left the party right after the election and (along with the MO Governor's appointment of Sen. Carnahan), flipped control of the Senate. Likewise, a very red state elected a Democrat who might be replaced with a Republican. It's not a great result, but I don't see how we can whine about the result.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #82
99. Mel Carnahan was already a Democrat, and was elected
Jean Carnahan was appointed, and she was of the same party, therefore her appointment changed nothing.
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #99
136. Dude...what's with that pic?
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #99
182. Sorry, two different issues....
The elections to which I was referring were VT in 2000 (the blue state that elected a Repub), and SD in 2002 (a red state that elected a Dem).
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #82
100. No use whining. But we should get to work on those two harpies
in Maine, who make so much of their liberality.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 04:59 AM
Response to Reply #82
193. The person who challenged him in '02 beat Daschle in '04
So Gov. Rounds can't even dig the guy Johnson defeated (John Thune) up and appoint him. So... who's left? Daschle, but he's a Democrat. Dashle and Johnson go way way back, though.

Rounds might appoint ex-Governor, ex-Representative, and murderer Bill Janklow.

Bill Janklow won South Dakota's only House seat in 2002 when Rep. John Thune decided to challange Johnson for the Senate instead of running for re-election. About 8 months after being sworn in, Janklow and an aide were en route from one event to another a couple of hours away. Jankow, who is diabetic, was driving and had not eaten pretty much all day. At some point, while cruising the cornfields of Moody County, Jankow ran a stop sign at 70mph. Two motorcyclists were on the cross highway (who didn't have a stop sign, by the way, and Janklow's Cadillac cut through the gap between them. The rear motorcyclist, Randy Scott, plowed into the Caddy at highway speed and was killed.

Janklow was convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter. The judge, whom Janklow has appointed years ago, gave him 100 days in jail. That's right, not quite 4 months.

I personally thought Janklow should have gotten a lot longer than that. He had left the first event without eating because of a heckler who liked to follow Janklow around and Janklow didn't want to deal with him. The aide could have driven, or they could have stopped at any gas station along the way (nearly all of them have convience stores attached) and gotten something to eat. Hell, Janklow could have stayed in the car while the aide got some Twinkies or something. But he didn't, and a guy was killed. I thought five years would have been fair.

So now Janklow has his law licence back and is a lobbyist for the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. So it would not surprise me at all if Rounds tapped Janklow for the job.
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screenplaya Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #77
187. No he wasn't.
Jeffords was CHEERED for refusing to cooperate with ignorant moneygrabbers. Get your facts straight.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #187
189. Jeez! Is it always necessary to use the
:sarcasm: smilie on DU? Of course he was cheered.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #65
113. You are confused.
The election itself gave the senate a democrat from Missouri (be it the late Mel or his wife Jean). Her appointment to serve in her husband's place didn't "flip" anything. Jeffords' defection caused control to swing to our side, but the Missouri senate seat had nothing to do with that.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #65
122. I am seeing a agenda here.
To begin with Jeffords flipped himself. Better find a better straw man argument.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #19
78. I don't care what's fair, only what makes us win.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #19
86. no offense but why SHOULDN'T we complain. You want more death's in Iraq?
because that is exactly what WILL HAPPEN

You want abortion banned because they will support a supreme court justice to take it away

You want corporations to be treated as individuals?

I could go on, but I think you get my point
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. Oh My God!
You read my mind exactly! I was hoping for all those things when I pointed out that control of the Senate had been flipped before.

Sheesh. I got your point, but fear you completely missed mine.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #90
117. Your premise is false.
As I've already stated upthread, Jean Carnahan's assuming her husband's senate seat did not flip the senate. Jeffords' defection did. So to compare what happened to Mel Carnahan to what might happen (god forbid) with Johnson's set, is completely wrong.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #90
191. Really I wasn't directing my thoughts at you personally, I just got pretty emotional about it
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 10:59 PM by still_one
sorry if it came across that way

I am quite sure you agree with progressive issues

Once again, I appologize

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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:20 AM
Response to Reply #191
194. No problem
I think we were both sweating it out a bit at the time. I'm just glad to hear Sen. Johnson is going to be OK.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #19
110. no, Carnahan was elected
True, that was her husband, and he died in a plane crash during the campaign, but the bottom line is that the voters took a "Democrat to be named" which was presumed to be Jean Carnahan, over John Ashcroft.
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #110
160. Sen. Carnahan was elected?
My understanding is that she *never* won an election. Can you tell me when she was?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #160
162. The democrat won that election
It was understood that Jean would be appointed after that. People knew who they were voting for, there just was not enough time to change the ballot.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #19
140. There's NO comparison between the two cases...
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 06:28 PM by regnaD kciN
It's hard to complain that this would throw the Senate (which it would), as we gained the same chamber through the appointment of Sen. Carnahan in 2001 (along with the defection of Jeffords).


In 2000, the acting governor of Missouri announced before the election took place that, if Carnahan won, his widow would be appointed in his place. Thus, voters knew going in that a vote for Mel Carnahan was a de facto vote for Jean Carnahan. And the voters picked that alternative over John Ashcroft. In other words, the voters chose a Democrat and a Democrat took office -- and, even more germane, the majority that voted Democratic knew in advance who that eventual senator would be.

There's a world of difference between that situation and this one, where the voters chose a Democrat and would get a Republican against their will.



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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #140
161. OK.....
And how did that *not* happen in VT?

If it stinks that "voters chose a Democrat and would get a Republican against their will", how was it any better when VT voters chose a Republican, but got an Independant (who caucused with Dems)? I am not saying that the result is worse, I am just saying that we can't really complain.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #19
156. Both cases you mention are far different situations.
Mel Carnahan died right before the election and his wife was appointed in his place, just as the voters expected. In fact if anything that situation cost the Democrats a seat, because she was put up for reelection two years later and lost the seat. If her husband Mel had lived he would have served the full six year term and there would have been no special election.

And Jeffords was the man elected to that position and the choice to switch was his own. In this situation the governor would be appointing a person who the elected candidate did not support. If Johnson were to volutarily switch to the Republican Party you may have a case, but this is a situation where the Republicans would be taking advantage of someones illness to gain control of the Senate despite that persons wishes.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:22 PM
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166. Deleted message
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:36 PM
Response to Original message
4. What does n/t mean?
I've been visiting this site for years and haven't figured it out. Thanks.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. n/t = no text in the message...just the title so no need to click it....n/t
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #10
24. Thanks! I thought all this time it was "Not True". But then I came onto
this thread, and it didn't make sense anymore.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. n/t = "no text" (Message) just Subject
It took me a while to figure it out, too.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #11
139. Self delete
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 06:27 PM by Radio_Lady
Someone else already mentioned "eom" for end of message. That one confused me a bit... until I asked.

Over and out...

Radio_Lady in Oregon
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
18. Bad news....
US Constitution says how that is done. I believe the Governor appoints......

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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #4
108. Some people use "eom" (for "end of message") to mean the same thing (n/t)
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:36 PM
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6. Senate Power grab alert: SD's governor, Rounds, is a Repub
In case this should come to having to appoint someone, which I pray to God it doesn't...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:32 PM
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:36 PM
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7. If he is unable to serve as Senator, does that mean Mike Rounds gets to appoint his successor?
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:37 PM
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9. I know this is tacky to ask, but I'm doing it anyway, Is the Governor of SD Democratic or Republica
Republican?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:38 PM
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12. Mike Rounds is a Republican
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
31. Uber-Repuke
I think he's Catholic, and he signed that terrible total abortion ban bill earlier this year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Rounds
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #12
112. He is a republican...and
if need be????? he will appoint the replacement of his choice. please excuse my extreme paranooia, but wasnt this a little tooooooooooooooooo convenient for the repupgs?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:31 PM
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148. My very first thought
but then I KNOW I'm paranoid.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:33 PM
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169. A good many of us are paranoid for some very good reasons
and yes, how incredibly conveeeeenient this is for the admin, IF he can't continue to serve, was the very first thing on my mind when I heard.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:34 AM
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195. So, they are inducing strokes?
:shrug:
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:55 PM
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203. Self-delete
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 02:04 PM by beth9999
Self-delete
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 03:50 PM
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206. I think so, but
wouldn't his movies be more suitable for children if he was named Jean-Claude van Darn?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:38 PM
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13. Repuke
n/t
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:38 PM
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15. Yes
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:38 PM
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14. SD uses Special Elections I think. That's how their Dem representative
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 03:42 PM by Infinite Hope
was elected after the predecessor had the drunk driving incident if I remember correctly.

But we don't know how serious the stroke even was yet.

Edit: On MSNBC they just said the Governor appoints...
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:24 PM
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67. Typically
A House vacancy is filled with an immediate election...a Senate vacancy is filled by the Gov until the next biannual election. There are a few exceptions by state; Mass, in 2004, passed a law allowing the state legislature to fill the vacancy. That way, Romney would not have been able to pick a replacement for Sen. Kerry if he had ascended to the Presidency in 2005.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:39 PM
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16. Is Mike Rounds still governor?
I've been very worried about this kind of thing happening. MSNBC made it sound very serious. If it's incapacitating...

And would S.D. law allow Rounds to appoint a replacement?

And when would it happen?

Could we lose the majority in the Senate?

Senate Majority leader Trent Lott?

Holy crap!!!!

I sure hope it's not serious and Tim makes a complete and speedy recovery!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:47 PM
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23. Rounds was just reelected
Rounds 206,996 62%

Billion 121,241 36%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/S...
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 01:52 PM
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202. No doubt...
... in a stolen election.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:39 PM
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17. Advisory: Dems stay clear of small aircraft. n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:47 PM
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22. Crosslinked story in GD:P
Damn, Tim, pull out! You're a decent guy!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:49 PM
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25. My prayers are out there for Tim Johnson and his family
Consider this - I don't think Strom Thurmond could even function the last 12 years in office and they kept him in office.

But the general policy is that the governor will appoint a replacement which will probably come from the party of the governor. Then in the next major election in South Dakota a special election would be held to fill out the term of the senator.

But let's not put the cart before the horse, people have survived strokes
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:50 PM
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27. At least we have Daschle waiting in the wings ...
presumably he'd want his old job back and you'd have to think he'd be a prohibitive favorite in any election. But then, I know nothing about SD politics- am I correct?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:51 PM
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28. No election...
The governor appoints. The governor is a Republican.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:55 PM
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33. The citizens of SD might raise enough of a stink for Daschle
But Rounds might have been looking to run for Johnson's seat in '08 himself. Can Rounds appoint himself to the Senate?!?!?!?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:05 PM
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129. You Mean Like Frank Murkowski of Alaska?
oh wait, he resigned from the Senate after being elected governor and appointed his DAUGHTER to the Senate.

no conflict of interest or nepotism there.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:59 PM
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41. You mean no election until 08? Not even a special election?
Normally the governor appoints someone, but they have a special election in a few months. Will that not happen here?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:00 PM
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43. That's not what I'm reading.
The governor appoints in the interim until a special election. http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/p...
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:52 PM
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30. Politics aside
I just hope Senator Johnson is okay, and hope his family is comforted and consoled during this very unsettling ordeal.

They all have my prayers.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:53 PM
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32. if it's a relatively minor stroke
then he'll still be far more coherent, cogent and healthy-appearing than drug-and-booze-addled Georgie Butch.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:58 PM
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39. Amen!
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:56 PM
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34. Where was Vladimir Putin?
Has he been visiting South Dakota lately?

I'm just sayin', y'know ...
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Amused Musings Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:32 PM
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73. There are many
nuclear missile silos out there...
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:34 PM
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75. My 1st thought, too--have they checked him for radiation? n/t
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:56 PM
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35. Update: Currently under observation at George Washington University Hospital
per MSNBC
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:57 PM
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37. Anybody know if that's why K Street was shut down,
ambulances going by and helicopters flying around about an hour or two ago?
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:58 PM
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38. oh crazy
I work in GTown ...didn't notice anything down here
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:57 PM
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36. Best wishes to Tim Johnson and his family (nt)
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:58 PM
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40. This could be minor, as strokes go....................
my wonderful Democratic mailcarrier stuffered a stroke a two months ago. He's in his mid 50's. He was in the hospital for less than a week and two weeks after he got out, he's back delivering mail. I don't know if he's on a shorter route, but I see him nearly everyday and he's doing great and just loves to chat about the wonderful Democratic wins.

Let's all just hope Senator Johnson is like William and not laid up too long and is soon back on the Hill.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:59 PM
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42. I hope for the best for Tim Johnson and his family nt
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:01 PM
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44. My thoughts are with him and his family.
How frightening.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:05 PM
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45. Update - MSNBC

He told staff right after noon eastern that he wasn't feeling well, they called the House physician who examined him and then called for an ambulance to take him to the hospital.

The good news is that it wasn't a debilitating immediate stroke (collapse and possibly die kind of thing).

The bad news is that it is still a stroke and they can get progressively worse if the blood clot is not removed (dissolved by drugs or sometimes by catheter).

The good news is that he is getting treatment early after presenting mild symptoms. There is a high recovery rate for these types of stokes, especially in younger patients (he is 60 according to MSNBC, looks younger to me).

Scarborough is almost orgasmic thinking about a repuke controlled senate. Asshole.

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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:08 PM
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47. Thank you for the update
I saw the headline and was stunned for a couple of minutes.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:09 PM
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48. Thanks for that update.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:10 PM
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49. No Doctor has said stroke...only 2 'witnesses' who 'observed signs of
stroke". According to M$NBC a couple mins ago.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:51 PM
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174. Quick! Send Frist a video n/t
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:10 PM
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50. This is good news indeed! Let's hope for a speedy recovery
There is no reason why he should have to resign unless it's a person decision (his term is up in 2008). And there is plenty of time for recovery. It's not like he's the only senator under medical treatment during the brake, Craig Thomas of Wyoming is undergoing treatment for Leukemia right now
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:14 PM
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54. Yes, and their Governor is a Democrat.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:31 PM
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72. Wyoming must select from same party
If Thomas should have to withdraw, the Repukes give the Gov a list to choose from.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:52 PM
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87. any link
a link to show how each state select a senator in case of death/incapacitation would be nice.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:11 PM
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101. In North Carolina, if a replacement for an office-holder is needed...
If it's a Congressperson, the State Board of Elections charges the district committee of the party of the incumbent Congressperson with the responsibility of picking the replacement--so the replacement will be from the same party. If a senator, the State Board of Elelctions charges the state executive committee of the party of the incumbent senator with making the pick--again, so the replacement is of the same party. The next general election then decides who will hold the office for the remainder of the term--or for the next term, if a Congressperson.

My thoughts and prayers are with Sen. Johnson and his family--especially his son, who is serving/did serve in Iraq.

B-)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:11 PM
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52. Glad he went to see the physician when he started not feeling well.
For many strokes, getting the person to the doc asap is one of their best shots at a good recovery.

As for Joe: fuck you. You make me sick.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:15 PM
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56. I Predict He Will Be Fine
That it's a minor stroke and he will be ok. Everyone calm down.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:18 PM
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62. I didn't hear anything -official- (from a doctor or the hospital) saying it
was definitely a stroke (was watching M$NBC since 3 pm CST)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:27 PM
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68. Correct, I was citing MSNBC... who spewed all this stuff
and at the very end of the segment said that it was only an "apparent stroke".
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feduppuke Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:27 PM
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69. Sounds as though
it was discovered early, which is the key to minimizing the damage a strok could do. Let's hope that a full (and quick) recovery can make all the replacement discussions moot!
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:21 PM
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184. Russert on NBC Nightly News was downright offensive
Brian Williams reported that Sen. Johnson may have had a stroke, and Tim Russert was PRACTICALLY JUMPING UP AND DOWN WITH EXCITEMENT over a change in the Senate. It was gross. A man is in the hospital, and Russert already has him dead and buried, so power will shift in the Senate. Maybe he and Scarborough can go get orgasmic together. :puke:
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:10 PM
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51. Only MSNBC is reporting it so far -- and speculating like crazy --
but it's not even on their web site yet. Reid suffered a minor stroke last year too, with few consequences. Let's not panic yet...
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RobofSWVA Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:14 PM
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55. anyone have a link yet?
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:15 PM
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58. Just Rawstory
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:18 PM
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63. and this on MSNBC site
Video: S.D. senator suffers stroke
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:30 PM
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71. CNN has it now as News Alert
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:34 PM
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74. and here is Brian Williams
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:15 PM
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57. Johnson being checked out now, so I would think he's OK nt
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:16 PM
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59. I hope he gets better
He's in my thoughts and prayers.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:16 PM
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60. Hoping the best for this man. He's had a hard time of it holding on to that seat.
Republicans have been hard after him during Bush's seizure of the White House.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:17 PM
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61. Immediate anticoagulant treatment usually produces a good outcome.
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 04:31 PM by AtomicKitten
Fingers crossed.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:40 PM
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79. Depends on the type of stroke
My dad died from a stroke, but his was from bleeding in the brain rather than a blood clot. If they'd given him an anti-coagulent, the bleeding would have gotten even worse. The anti-coagulants only work for strokes brought on by clots.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:47 PM
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83. Not to quibble
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 05:13 PM by AtomicKitten
but what you are talking about is an intracerebral hemorrhage which is very different than a cerebrovascular accident (CVA) or transient ischemic attack (TIA), the latter two a disruption in blood supply to the brain causing neurologic insult.

CVAs and TIAs are treatable by anticoagulants. Intracerebral hemorrhage is not, but that is not technically considered a stroke. Some doctors unfortunately aren't clear when speaking to patient's families in layman terms.

As an example of this same mistaken nomenclature, people often refer to gastroenteritis as "flu" when technically influenza is a distinctly different condition.

Sorry to hear about your dad. My father passed away of same in January of this year.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:54 PM
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88. I'm not in the medical field, so I wasn't aware of the differences
And they called it a stroke when they talked to my Mom. It happened over 10 years ago, and he was only 63 at the time. It was in the region of brain stem, and he suffered major brain damage, never even regaining consciousness.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:57 PM
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91. I'm very sorry to hear of that catastrophic event.
But short of dying in one's sleep, that's probably the next best way to go IMHO.
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:25 PM
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138. working on my own massive MI right now
all about the quick routes.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:30 PM
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146. ouch
take care!
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 11:55 AM
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199. oh I meant intentionally
sorry didnt meant to illicit sympathy or anything - I work in a nursing home. its the standard nursing home worker joke - we (nursing home workers) are all living horribly unhealthy lives to try and ensure we have massive MI's instead of ending up like some of the folks we see every day.
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:23 PM
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137. The description of the symptoms sounds like a TIA
mild confusion, momentary stuttering, then he excused himself and walked out the room. I can't see that being a CVA or anything more serious.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:30 PM
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144. exactly
and that is most excellent news!!!
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:29 PM
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70. Nooooooo!!
Seriously, I hope he recovers soon.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:37 PM
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76. Rove has poisoned him!!
Sorry I've been watching too much footballers wives. I hope Johnson recovers! :(
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:42 PM
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80. If no official word from hospital or Johnson spokesman, then MSNBC yellow journalism
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:43 PM
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81. From CNN website
Sen. Tim Johnson, D-South Dakota, was hospitalized Wednesday after he suffered stroke-like symptoms in his Washington office, his staff said.

Johnson, 59, was taken to George Washington University Hospital by ambulance about 11:30 a.m., sources in his office said.

A statement issued by Johnson's office said he was suffering from a "possible stroke."

"At this stage he is undergoing a comprehensive evaluation by the stroke team," the statement said. Staffers said that Johnson was conscious when he was transported to the hospital.

Should Johnson not be able to complete his term, which ends in 2008, South Dakota Gov. Mike Rounds, a Republican, could appoint his replacement, which could shift the balance of power in the Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/13/johnson.stroke/i...
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:49 PM
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84. if it is indeed a stroke
and Senator Johnson is unable to continue, the senate would flip back to the republicans as the governor of SD is a republican and would appoint a member of his own party.



here is to a speedy recovery for Senator Johnson.
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jbonkowski Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:01 PM
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97. Not quite
I think it would be a tie then, and then a power sharing system for the committees and agendas would be done. Not the same as switching back to the R's.

jim
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:00 PM
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126. nopes
cause cheney would break the tie and throw the senate to republicans
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:28 PM
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142. both right and both wrong
a 50-50 tie would give it to the repubs with the repub president of the senate (Darth Cheney)

However - a stroke does not mean he HAS to vacate his senate seat. Firstly I'm sure we all hope for his speedy recovery. If he were incapacitated and unable to perform his duty as a senator he could not be replaced unless he resigned or died. Several senators have continued to hold onto a seat while they were unable to attend the senate or act as senator.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:49 PM
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85. A woman in my office had a stroke and was back in 2 weeks
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:55 PM
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89. Teddy Bruschi of the Patriots had a stroke last year...
And he came back to play for the team this year.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:16 PM
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104. How did a young guy, a professional athlete no less, have a stroke?
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 05:16 PM by brentspeak
Scary at any age, but especially at his age.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:57 PM
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92. Two can play that game -- here's the state of health of Thomas from Wyoming
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:08 PM
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134. Wyoming apparently has different rules for appointing successors
it these sorts of situations. :(
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jbonkowski Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:57 PM
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93. He's left the hospital already
According to Rhandi Rhodes. He will be evaluated soon by stroke experts.

She didn't identify her source.

jim
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:58 PM
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94. WOO=HOO!!!!
Bravo, Tim, and continued speedy recovery.

And suck on it, Republicans. Oh, so close ..........
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:20 PM
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105. I'm doubting that - wonder where Randi got her info
eom
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:59 PM
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95. Sending out good vibes and healing white light to Tim Johnson -nt-
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:00 PM
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:16 PM
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103. When the senate balance is close, Dem senators face peril
The last time the senate balance of power was so razors-edge close, someone sent Daschel some Anthrax. Recall that media personell recieved anthrax too, but that was weaker stuff. The finely-milled killer Thrax that was potent enough to kill mail postal workers in its wake, was sent to Daschell only.
The next time it looked like the dems might regain the senate, Senator Wellstone's plane went down in a mysterious accident.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:02 PM
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:14 PM
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102. WE SHOULD SEND HIM FLOWERS!!!!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:37 PM
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119. Good idea!
Start a thread in GD??
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:21 PM
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106. AP Story
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/13wire-johns...

Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota suffered a possible stroke Wednesday and was taken to a Washington hospital, his office said.

Johnson became disoriented during a call with reporters at midday, stuttering in response to a question. He appeared to recover, asking if there were any additional questions before ending the call.

<snip>

Johnson spokeswoman Julianne Fisher said he had walked back to his Capitol office after the call with reporters but appeared to not be feeling well. The Capitol physician came to his office and examined him, and it decided he needed to go to the hospital.

He was taken by ambulance to George Washington University Hospital around noon, Fisher said.

"It was caught very early," she said.

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:22 PM
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107. This was just on NPR, this sucks.
<http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId... >
It sounds more like minor stroke, similar to one that a friend of my Mother had a few years ago, she recovered almost completely.

Get well soon Senator.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:25 PM
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:36 PM
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118. Oh please.
No, he is not.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:56 PM
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123. get a grip
stupidest post of the day award winner
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:33 PM
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114. This is too bad, my prayers go out to his family and for the Senator
....in a speedy recovery.

<snip>
In 2004, Tim battled prostate cancer. After surgery, all tests now show him clear of the disease. Barb, a two time breast cancer survivor, was crucial to his recovery. The two remain committed to raising awareness about prevention and early testing.

For many years, Tim Johnson has been an active voice in the fight for building a better future for all South Dakotans -- regardless of gender, age, ethnicity, income or religion. From championing fiscal responsibility to leading the charge on agricultural issues to fighting for children, youth, and families, Tim's commitment to creating positive change for all South Dakotans can clearly be seen in his legislative achievements. Perhaps that's why, after five terms in the House of Representatives, his 1996 election to the U.S. Senate and reelection in 2002, Tim remains one of the most popular public officials in South Dakota. <MORE>

http://johnson.senate.gov/about.html
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:34 PM
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115. Based on what I'm hearing now
Worse happened to the mayor of San Jose last year. He couldn't continue and had to leave the stage. He was back in the saddle within a week.

I think we can be optimistic.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:35 PM
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116. It sounds very hopeful. He'll be back. nt
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:48 PM
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120. AP: Update 4:53 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota suffered a possible stroke Wednesday and was taken to a Washington hospital, his office said.

Johnson became disoriented during a call with reporters at midday, stuttering in response to a question. He appeared to recover, asking if there were any additional questions before ending the call.

If he should be unable to continue to serve, it could halt the scheduled Democratic takeover of the Senate. Democrats won a 51-49 majority in the November election. South Dakota's governor, who would appoint any temporary replacement, is a Republican.

Johnson spokeswoman Julianne Fisher said he had walked back to his Capitol office after the call with reporters but appeared to not be feeling well. The Capitol physician came to his office and examined him, and it decided he needed to go to the hospital.

He was taken by ambulance to George Washington University Hospital around noon, Fisher said.

''It was caught very early,'' she said.

Johnson's office released a statement saying he had suffered a possible stroke.

''At this stage, he is undergoing a comprehensive evaluation by the stroke team,'' the statement read.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Johnson.html?hp&e...
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:06 PM
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130. thank you for that update
It sounds like he--and we--dodged a bullet. This could have been catastrophic for him and for the country.

I really hope that Bush doesn't issue a public statement saying that he and his family are praying for Tim Johnson. What a colossal lie that would be.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:58 PM
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124. A Governor-appointed replacement would be very temporary
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 05:59 PM by stevietheman
Found this at BluegrassReport...

The SD Governor would appoint a temporary replacement who would serve until a special election, which would be held on the primary or general election day within the following six months, and if neither occurs within that time frame, a special election must be held in 80 to 90 days.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:29 PM
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143. Of course, there are no guarantees we'd win such an election
in a state which just re-elected the repuke governor in question in a landslide -- especially not with the full force of the repuke propaganda machine bearing down on tiny SD. Just ask Tom Daschle...

If it sounds like I'm putting politics ahead of human life, remember that, in "this war in which we find ourselves", :puke: , politics is about human life. Continued repuke control of the Senate, by hook or by crook, would cost thousands of American -- and untold tens of thousands of Iraqi -- lives in the war, not to mention all the Americans who are dying because they have inadequate health care, nutrition, and even shelter, thanks largely to the repuke Congress. :grr:
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:43 PM
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152. But Daschle would be the odds-on favorite, would he not? n/t
n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:57 PM
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:03 PM
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127. Face facts, The WH is searching for occurances like this to steal the Senate.
If fate does not throw them in the administration's lap, the DOJ can manufacture them with bogus prosecutions etc Or there can be plane crashes.

If Johnson is not able to fill his term, the Republican governor will most certainly appoint a solid GOP senator, you can take that to the bank.

The Dems would be well advised to make a list of all Democratic senators from states with Republican governors and keep a close eye on said Senators for the next two years.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:07 PM
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131. Or they could appoint Joementum to the UN ambassadorship
now that the Bolton nomination is kaput.

Same deal: Gov. Jodi Rell is a repuke, she appoints Holy Joe's replacemnt, all of our hard work removing Icky Ricky, Macacawitz, No Talent et al. goes down the drain. :tinfoilhat:
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:30 PM
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145. surely holy joe would keep his seat - for the good of the party right?
mumble mumble, self important, mumble mumble, opportunistic narcissistic, mumble, disloyal, mumble...
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:08 PM
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133. The appointment is only until a special election n/t
n/t
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:12 PM
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135. incorrect.
in SD, the governor appoints a replacement senator until the next biannual(i.e.2008) election.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:42 PM
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151. No, you're incorrect. SD law says replacement is at next special...
election, which is the same day as the next primary or general election day.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:50 PM
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154. That is not what their State Law says.
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 06:54 PM by karlrschneider
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:04 PM
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128. Please Take 1 Minute To Light A Candle For Tim Johnson (Link Provided):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

See this thread for the very quick steps to do so!!!
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SmellsLikeDeanSpirit Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:07 PM
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132. Sounds like he will be fine *knocks on wood*
I was sweating this a few hours ago.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:31 PM
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:49 PM
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153. if hes able he can have an aide assist him
remember Strom Thurmond spent the nights in a DC hospital or home .......so his aide helped him..........Strom was not mentally all there yet he continued to serve..........whats the difference?
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:50 PM
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155. 19 reasons to hold your breath in the 110th Senate:
Democratic Senator/Republican Governor (State)

akaka/lingle (HI)
bayh/daniels (IN)
boxer/arnold (CA)
conrad/hoeven (ND)
dodd /rell (CT)
dorgan/hoeven (ND)
feinstein/arnold (CA)
inouye/lingle (HI)
johnson/rounds (SD)
klobuchar/pawlenty (MN)
leahy /douglas (VT)
lieberman/rell (CT)
mccaskill/blunt (MO)
nelson (FL)/crist (FL)
nelson (Ne)/heineman (NE)
Reed/carcieri (RI)
Reid/gibbons (NV)
sanders/douglas (VT)
whitehouse/carcieri (RI)

If for any reason any of these 19 leave office, the Republican governor would quite likely appoint a Republican.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:17 PM
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164. Actually a mere 17 reasons
In Hawai'i, Lingle would be bound by law to fill any vacancy with a member of the same political party. Of course, that didn't stop her from appointing a crony to fill a vacancy in the Legislature only weeks after she had quietly re-registered Dem; it then turned out that Bev Harbin owed the state about $120,000 in back taxes! A genuine Dem recaptured the seat in Nov.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:30 PM
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185. got a similar list for the other way around? n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 09:31 PM by anotherdrew
Gordon smith of Oregon for one
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:45 PM
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209. yup.
Republican Senators from states with democratic governors

Grassley (IA)
mccain (AZ)
kyl (AZ)
thomas (WY)
enzi (WY)
Smith (OR)
Vitter (LA)
Gregg (NH)
Sununu (NH)
Snowe (ME)
Collins (ME)
Brownback (KS)
Roberts (KS)
Inhofe (OK)
Coburn (OK)
Warner (VA)
Specter (PA)
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:53 PM
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210. be a damn shame if something happened to mcain and specter
get out yer voodoo dolls folks
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:03 PM
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186. Ahem
Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. Thank you.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:53 PM
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157. When he recovers it will be completely demoralizing to these morbid a-holes hoping for thug control.
Rabid dogs.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:56 PM
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158. Thread in GD from discussion on NBC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Saying Johnson could refuse to resign and that would prevent Governor from appointing a Repub.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:00 PM
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159. Report from SD Newspaper Argus Leader
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 07:09 PM by RamboLiberal
Hope this is wrong.

<snip>

Rep. Stephanie Herseth, at the conclusion of a Sioux Falls meeting with board members of the Lewis and Clark water project, called the group back together around 3 p.m. and announced Sen. Johnson had been taken to a hospital.

In a shaking voice, she called on South Dakotans for their prayers.

Herseth said she believed it was a severe stroke.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...

Political Insider sounds a lot more encouraging

Update on Johnson's Condition
Word has it that he is speaking and is expected to be fine. More to come...

http://politicalinsider.com/2006/12/update_on_johnsons_...

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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:29 PM
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167. I don't blame anyone for worrying about Senate control over his personal well-being
Control of the Senate is worth much more than any one life at this point in time. It could mean a great deal in terms of the environment, which is worth a great deal more.

However, I'm quite sure he'll be fine and unless he dies or resigns the Senate remains Dem.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:50 PM
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173. I would indeed blame and condemn anyone
that valued political control over the life of anyone, Senator or otherwise.

It wasn't that long ago that Senator Craig Thomas (R-Wyoming) was diagnosed with leukemia, prompting not so much as a whisper of "what's in it for us if he kicks it?" responses around here, but only genuine condolences and "get well soon" responses.

Get back to that mindset please, and drop the crassness that has been all too evident in this thread.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:54 PM
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192. It's the old question
if you can save 1 person vs. millions.

You choose one, I choose millions.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:29 AM
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197. Tell me
How big a room is needed to house the ego of one who thinks he can play God?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:04 PM
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207. You tell me
you're the one who is valuing a single life above that of the world.
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:38 PM
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170. He did not suffer a stroke or heart attack
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16191212 /

"WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota was hospitalized Wednesday, weeks before his party was to take control of the Senate by a one-vote margin.

Johnson, who turns 60 on Dec. 28, was admitted to George Washington University Hospital with an undiagnosed illness, said a spokeswoman, Julianne Fisher.

She said, however, the senator did not suffer a stroke or heart attack. His office had said earlier it was a possible stroke."


Phew!!
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:45 PM
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171. Might be a TIA a transient ischemic attack. My dad has these. They
look like strokes but are not permanent. I hope that is what it was.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:47 PM
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172. Thank you.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:51 PM
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175. thank goodness!
highlights our precarious position though, doesn't it?
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:54 PM
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176. The Senator and his family are in my thoughts and prayers
Here's hoping it's nothing serious, and that Senator Johnson is on his way to a speedy recovery.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:54 PM
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177. Note to self:
Buy more Reynold's Wrap.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:03 PM
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180. Interesting precedent here...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16191212

"Previous cases
The Senate historian's office cites several examples of a senator being incapacitated for years and remaining in office.

Most recently, Sen. Karl Mundt (coincidentally, also from South Dakota) suffered a stroke in 1969 and was incapacitated, but he refused to step down. He remained in office until January 1973, when his term expired. Mundt was pressured repeatedly to step down during his illness, but he demanded that the governor promise to appoint his wife. The governor refused, and Mundt remained in office.

Another example was Sen. Carter Glass, D-Va. Glass had a heart condition that prevented him from working for most of his last term after his re-election in 1942. Yet Glass refused to resign, and finally died of congestive heart failure in May 1946, in his apartment at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington."
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screenplaya Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:07 PM
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188. Dana Bash is Orgasmic
Friggin Dana Bash can always be counted on to tow the Bush line. What a vile shill.
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bufffbison Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 08:45 AM
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196. surgery was described as "successful"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/14/thursday/ind...

Johnson, 59, was out of surgery at 12:30 a.m. Thursday, a source familiar with the senator's condition told CNN. He was hospitalized Wednesday morning after he appeared to suffer stroke-like symptoms, his spokeswoman said.

The surgery was described as "successful" by the source. Although Johnson's condition was critical, that is a classification given to anyone immediately following brain surgery.

"The next 24 to 48 hours are critical," the source said. (Posted 8:27 a.m.)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:12 PM
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208. There are No coincidences
and everything is connected

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 10:00 PM
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212. The senator is doing alright..

Admiral John Eisold, Attending Physician of the United States Capitol released a statement Thursday afternoon saying Thompson "continued to have an uncomplicated post-operative course. Specifically, he has been appropriately responsive to both word and touch. No further surgical intervention has been required."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16199440 /


...hoping Pelosi has posted round the clock guards at his bedside.
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