Nonpartisan Election Protection Groups Urging Allen Not to Concede!

[emlev]

Call To Action: Urge George Allen Not to Concede!
Major Evidence Emerging of Irregularities in This Race!
Call on Allen to wait until all votes are counted and election results verified!
(Then just watch 'em try to verify those electronic voting machines!)
Details will be shared on the Velvet Revolution Election Protection Strike Force site when available.
In the meantime:
Contact George Allen's Senate Campaign!
Tell him not to concede until all votes are counted and results are verified!
Richmond: Friends of George Allen Phone: [phone]
Northern Virginia: Phone: [phone] Fax: [phone]

[ShortnFiery]

1. They're without a clue.

:rofl:

[demnan]

2. That's just stupid

Actually I think Virginia is a relatively clean state, we haven't had widespread problems since the Jim Crow days. (Before that, we were very dirty!)

[lcordero2]

6. actually

Now it's Jim Crow and Jose Crow

[WestHoustonDem]

3. He's gonna concede so the irregularites perpetrated by his

own party don't come to light. Why else would the repugs give in so easy?

[lcordero2]

7. AMEN

[WestHoustonDem]

16. Here are a few stories on Virginia voting problems from a quick Google search

that Allen and his thugs don't want to have brought to our attention:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15603344
Another man said in an affidavit that he got a call from a woman claiming to be helping Webb. He said the woman gave him an incorrect polling place address after he told her he planned to vote for Webb.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Voting_problem_roundup_1107.html
In Virginia, allegations of statewide voter intimidation are seen as more serious.
Reports have indicated that phone calls have been directed across the state from the fictitious "Virginia Elections Commision," threatening voters with arrest if they appear at polling places to vote. Voters are advised that, because of their out of state registrations, voting in Virginia is illegal. However, many of the voters who've been harassed have been registered instate for years.

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=4089899
They contend the electronic touch screens repeatedly indicated they were voting for Republican candidate Jerry Kilgore instead of registering their intended vote for his Democratic opponent Tim Kaine.

http://www.ep365.org/site/c.fnKGIMNtEoG/b.2232255/k.AB55/Election_Protection_Update_1.htm
Chester (Chesterfield) VA: He was a new voter. He showed his drivers license and voter registration card. He was told that was not enough ID. He showed his high school and college school IDs -- both photo IDs -- and was told that was not sufficient. He was told to produce a Federal ID or he would not be permitted to vote (he was not offered the provisional ballot option). He luckily had his social security card with him, and when he showed that he was permitted to vote.

[gfnrob]

4. They want to look at those machines...

that's why he WILL concede

[Mojorabbit]

5. I still think every vote should be counted

Doesn't matter which party. I want fair elections.

[gfnrob]

8. Ther is nothing to count, BUT lets look at those machines

Never happen, asshole will concede.

[hlthe2b]

19. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE... all votes have been counted..

[longship]

9. I am not comfortable with this.

There's no way that a costly recount will overturn this race. So, if I were Allen, I would concede. In fact, that's what he *should* do. Apparently, that is what he *will* do.

I sympathize with the efforts of the Velvet Revolution. However, they are choosing the wrong race. There are a few CD still in play which could receive the benefit of such action as they are recommending. I would recommend that they drop the issue in VA and concentrate on those CD races which could easily illustrate the very real problems with the current voting system.

[emlev]

10. There are many races to concentrate on. This is one.

[longship]

25. This is why *everybody* is telling Macaca to concede.

Also, it's a statewide race, and one which is least likely to flip because of a recount. If you were Sen. Macaca, would you launch a very expensive statewide recount when there was no hope? I wouldn't. The only one that a VA recount will hurt is Senator Macaca. His people have to be telling him that. That's undoubtedly why he's decided to concede.

I support the Velvet Revolution and their issues, but I think that they've picked a losing battle here. However, let's see what happens this afternoon.

[emlev]

26. Check back here later and you'll understand better.

[longship]

27. Well, if Macaca wants to screw himself, that's fine.

Then, I'll be fine with this effort. But I don't think that's what's going to happen. It's not that I don't support them. I just think that they're wasting resources on it. It may be good tactic, but strategically, it's ill advised.

[emlev]

29. Now see post #28

[longship]

35. Yes. I am aware of this.

But I also realized that that's the reason that there's no way that Macaca could fight this.

So, now that Macaca *has* conceded, the Velvet Revolution should pursue the course which is most likely to expose the fraud, the bad machines, etc. Put their resources into the Congressional district races which are going to be challenged.

Also, nothing is going to stop them from documenting problems in VA, even without a recount. Wasn't VA the state where some clear illegalities occurred?

It's not like having Macaca ask for a recount was their only recourse.

[Jester_11218]

11. The entire election was dirty

There were problems all over the nation. It is even possible that the Republicans saved some seats the dirty way. The bottom line is that irregularities were reported all over the nation.

The election process has to be cleaned up. Say what you want...things fell into place for the Democrats, but that does not mean things are OK.

If you ignore the problems with election fraud the Democrats can get wiped out in 08 just as easily as they won now. Please continue to scrutinize the process especially where it comes to computerized voting.

[emlev]

12. I agree completely. n/t

[KamaAina]

13. "Nonpartisan" my Aunt Fanny.

Much like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth* were "nonpartisan".

Oh yes, any "Major Irregularities" in the race were perpetrated by the Macaca Mafia itself, which may very well explain why they don't seem to have the stomach for a Bush v. Gore-style smackdown, even with control of the Senate at stake.

[yellowcanine]

14. "Major Evidence Emerging .....Details will be shared here when available."

In other words. We got nothing except what we pulled out of our own assholes to support this but wait - there's more!

[mikeytherat]

15. Velvet Revolution?

Velvet Revolution?

:rofl:

mikey_the_rat

[flowomo]

20. Why are you laughing? Here, read this:

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/Content/Misc/About.php

(check out who advertises on the site, by the way)

[emlev]

24. Velvet Revolution Election Protection Strike Force site

Velvet Revolution Election Protection Strike Force

[mikeytherat]

30. I know what it is, but can you see Allen having ANYTHING to do

with an organization called Velvet Revolution?

mikey_the_rat

[flowomo]

32. nope, but I support their agenda, so I guess we agree.

[mikeytherat]

33. We agree - the organization is OK and Allen is not!

mikey_the_rat

[flowomo]

34. right! And right now.... I'm celebrating the win!

[0rganism]

17. Webb should stand with them and demand a hand recount!

He'd score some indy points, and probably build his lead from the provisionals.

[ShortnFiery]

21. You forgot something

:sarcasm:

If anything the voting irregularities would increase Webb's lead.

With the ongoing canvassing Webb has already picked up almost a thousand more votes (8888).

[0rganism]

23. Actually, that's what I was getting at

not sure how to interpret your post, with or without the :sarcasm:

I'm actually cereal about Webb standing with these guys for a recount, because

1) as you say, the more they canvass, the bigger Webb's lead gets

2) whether or not there actually is a recount, Webb has an opportunity to highlight the deficiencies in the current system -- e.g., the one which left his name off the confirmation list due to "excessive length"

3) it would totally deflate the pontificating media whore gasbags and their "conventional wisdom"

[Le Taz Hot]

18. So, my question is,

where were these guys in 2000, 2002 and 2004?

[smoogatz]

22. Who are these wankers?

Of course Allen should concede. THEN we should look into election fraud all over the country, in detail, with congressional subpoena power backing us up. There were apparently significant shifts in the exit polling in both VA and MT after the initial EPs were released at 7:00; just like the infamous red-shift in Ohio and other states in '04. Something happened in both of those races (hence the disbelief on the faces of both Burns and Allen--they cheated, but should have turned the Diebold knob up another notch). Electronic vote stealing is a real and ongoing problem, as is voter suppression/intimidation/purging, ballot-dumping and other forms of organized election fraud. First we swear in the new, Democratic congress, then we turn over a few rocks and see how many slimy little Blackwells come crawling out.

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[gratuitous]

31. If you cheat and you still lose

It's best to just get the hell out of Dodge, before the guys with the big guns and the fast horses decide to look too closely up your sleeve.