U.S. Seeks Silence on CIA Prisons (alternative techniques)

[rodeodance]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/03/AR2006110301793.html

U.S. Seeks Silence on CIA Prisons
Court Is Asked to Bar Detainees From Talking About Interrogations

By Carol D. Leonnig and Eric Rich
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, November 4, 2006; Page A01

The Bush administration has told a federal judge that terrorism suspects held in secret CIA prisons should not be allowed to reveal details of the "alternative interrogation methods" that their captors used to get them to talk.

The government says in new court filings that those interrogation methods are now among the nation's most sensitive national security secrets and that their release -- even to the detainees' own attorneys -- "could reasonably be expected to cause extremely grave damage." Terrorists could use the information to train in counter-interrogation techniques and foil government efforts to elicit information about their methods and plots, according to government documents submitted to U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton on Oct. 26.

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"We had no way of knowing who had him or where he was," said Mahmood Khan, brother of Majid Khan, who was held for more than three years in a secret CIA prison. (By Michael Robinson Chavez -- The Washington Post)

[irislake]

1. It will take many years

for Americans to remove this terrible stain from their reputation. You have certainly lost the moral high ground thanks to your present government. There is no way this treatment can be justified.

[TheWatcher]

8. We are The Nazis Now.

[ShockediSay]

28. Forget "civil rights, civil liberties" These terms do not resonate

across all America's political spectra at the moment.

What The Military Commissions Act of 2006 accomplished was the increased likelihood of an innocent person being condemned for life or condemned to death with secret evidence gained by torture unreviewable by any fair impartial tribunal. Witness the case of {Canadian sent to Syria for tortured confession...name?}

McCain, who was once upon a time a straight talker, helped create this abortion of fairness.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

38. it will get worse before it gets better..

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/1732834.php

[grytpype]

2. Every time I think I've heard the worst thing ever...

... they surprise me and come up with something worse.

So the detainees aren't allowed to tell the court the tortures that were used on them. Wow. I don't know what to say about that.

[struggle4progress]

3. "They talk we gonna look like cheap thugs, Yer Onna. Huh?"

[Rex]

4. So the people who are tortured won't be allowed to talk about it?

Especially if they turn out to be victims? Wow. We really are moving along. Scary.

[Judi Lynn]

5. If they can't get the response they want on this, you can expect to start seeing

more prisoners dying "of natural causes" or actually dying mysteriously within hours of having been released.

They don't intend to change their sadist pattern, they want their filthy actions kept private, they intend to be the highest authority in the world, with absolutely NO oversight.

People this vicious are not going to go quietly. They are NOT just going to retire peacefully when they are legally voted out of office. That's why they will control the results, or they won't go.

[HuffleClaw]

6. i doubt thats gonna fly

the only 'grave damage' its gonna do is to THEIR reputation.

[truthisfreedom]

7. 1] they invented terrorism. 2] they're a mafia. 3] they only care about power.

4] bush will be impeached, face the Hague, and die alone and unloved.

[yellerpup]

9. Oh, beautiful

"...terrorism suspects held in secret CIA prisons should not be allowed to reveal details of the "alternative interrogation methods" that their captors used to get them to talk." Now they will HAVE to kill you if you "force" them to torture you.

[Pachamama]

10. 1st they take away your rights - then they make torture legal - then they prevent you from talking

about the abuse....

I'm so glad we live in the land of the free, home of the brave....our shining democracy on the hill!

:puke:

[sutz12]

11. The Republican 5th Amendment...

I refuse to let that man testify on the grounds that it may incriminate me.

[elaineb]

12. That's a brilliant line, Sutz

This is so utterly bizarre even for the Bush administration. How do they imagine they can possibly enforce it anyway? Especially on the detainees who have already been released, and ESPECIALLY on those who have returned to their countries abroad. Are they going to get kidnapped and "rendered" again? No wait, those secret prisons have been closed, supposedly. I guess we'll just have to extradite them, bring them back to the U.S. and remind them that they're messin' with a country that still values its freedom enough to protect it by torturing those who threaten national security by talking about us torturing them.

[brer cat]

20. Nailed it in one sentence, Sutz.

As I read that article my brain was too outraged for coherent thought. Thanks for summing it up so neatly!

[Ms. Clio]

32. one of the best one-liners here EVER

just perfect.

[LynnTheDem]

13. We the People must never know what torture is done in our names.

That's the ideal our Founding Fathers wanted for us.

:sarcasm:

This shit has gone way too far. Way too fucking far.

[Heidi]

14. Kick.

:kick:

[sugapablo]

15. U.S. Seeks to Silence Terror Suspect

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TERRORISM_DETAINEES?SITE=PAPIT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=home.htm

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A suspected terrorist who spent years in a secret CIA prison should not be allowed to speak to a civilian attorney, the Bush administration argues, because he could reveal the agency's closely guarded interrogation techniques.

Human rights groups have questioned the CIA's methods for questioning suspects, especially following the passage of a bill last month that authorized the use of harsh - but undefined - interrogation tactics.

In recently filed court documents, the Justice Department said those methods, along with the locations of the CIA's network of prisons, are among the nation's most sensitive secrets. Prisoners who spent time in those prisons should not be allowed to disclose that information, even to a lawyer, the government said.

"Improper disclosure of other operational details, such as interrogation methods, could also enable terrorist organizations and operatives to adapt their training to counter such methods, thereby obstructing the CIA's ability to obtain vital intelligence that could disrupt future planned terrorist attacks," the Justice Department wrote.

:wtf:

[Kber]

16. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV

but on the face of it, this would seem to be such a basic violation of our rights and principles that I can't imagine how anyone who went to law school and passed the bar exam making this argument with a straight face.

[HereSince1628]

17. CYA vigilant 24/7/365 to protect B/C & Assoc.'s Terror LLC.

Ya see, elections do have consequences. Remember that Tuesday morning.

[Solly Mack]

18. He might tell on us is their excuse?

'Cause that's what they are saying.

[RC]

19. Well golly gee, If you dumb fucks would have followed the Geneva Convention

maybe, just maybe there would not be such a problem now.
Of course if they had followed the Convention, they would not have invaded two countries on lies and pretexts to bomb wedding parties and shoot up children and pregnant women.

[formercia]

21. Just wait untill you hear about the thousands of US Citizens

that these techniques were perfected on. How do you think they developed these techniques?


You ain't seen nothing yet.

[bobthedrummer]

30. Millions of US citizens, their families, social networks-since WWII n/t

[formercia]

36. It's how they came to power

by crushing anyone that got in their way. Bush Gang doesn't play well with others.You either do it their way or not at all.

[IndianaGreen]

31. Ultimately it is the citizenry that becomes victim of state's power

Our descendants will regret our failure to stop the Bush dictatorship on its tracks, and will rue the end of the Republic.

[crikkett]

40. tell me more...

or are you bluffing.

[formercia]

42. Not bluffing

It all goes back to Nazi Germany and the experiments done on humans.

I worked with a guy who was a doctoral candidate under a psychiatrist who ha been an inmate in the camps. His Prof.noticed how the Germans were able to manage thousands of prisoners with just a few guards, and most of those were KAPOS (Kameraden Politzei), chosen from among the prisoners to do the dirty work that was beneath the SS. After the War, he wrote a paper on it which became classified as soon as he tried to publish it. Psychiatry was a favorite with the Germans, almost as much as tormenting Untermench.

Operation Paperclip brought a lot of these same Germans to the US and Canada where they continued their work.

[Heidi]

22. Kick.

:kick:

[leftchick]

23. U.S. seeks to silence terror suspect

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terrorism_detainees

WASHINGTON - A suspected terrorist who spent years in a secret CIA prison should not be allowed to speak to a civilian attorney, the Bush administration argues, because he could reveal the agency's closely guarded interrogation techniques.


Human rights groups have questioned the CIA's methods for questioning suspects, especially following the passage of a bill last month that authorized the use of harsh — but undefined — interrogation tactics.

In recently filed court documents, the Justice Department said those methods, along with the locations of the CIA's network of prisons, are among the nation's most sensitive secrets. Prisoners who spent time in those prisons should not be allowed to disclose that information, even to a lawyer, the government said.

"Improper disclosure of other operational details, such as interrogation methods, could also enable terrorist organizations and operatives to adapt their training to counter such methods, thereby obstructing the CIA's ability to obtain vital intelligence that could disrupt future planned terrorist attacks," the Justice Department wrote.

The documents, which were first reported by The Washington Post, were filed in opposition to a request that terror suspect Majid Khan should be given access to an attorney. Khan, 26, immigrated from Pakistan and graduated high school in Maryland.

[gfnrob]

24. This can not be true.

The president has said that suspected terrorists will be given access to lawyers. I know the President never lies.

[leesa]

25. The old "they could grow gills" rationalization. These people need to be

behind bars for war crimes.

[Ms. Clio]

26. a "SUSPECTED terrorist," guilty of nothing that's been proved in a court of law

should not be permitted to speak with an attorney because he will reveal he has been tortured, and how.

How does that sound anything like the United States the rest of us grew up in?

[acmavm]

27. One day, if this planet survives (flash to Zager & Evans), people

will be reading about this time in our country's history and think about it just as we do when reading William L. Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Like TheWatcher said on this thread, we are the Nazis now

and the public's lack of outrage about Bush's gulags and torture of prisoners makes us all as complicit as the "good Germans" of the Third Reich.

[Jcrowley]

33. K&R

More criminal activity.

[Cameron27]

34. Are the interrogations being

conducted by private contractors now? I heard that on Real Time .... is that even legal?

[bobthedrummer]

35. Torture docs from the National Security Archive

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/

There isn't anything these criminals in BFEE can do to stop the truth anymore.

[williesgirl]

37. That's why no court hearings, couldn't shut them up there. recommended

[ShortnFiery]

39. Dear Leader has denigrated the office of The President of the

United States more than any other President in the history of our Democratic Republic. :(

Dear Leader and BushWorld's Executive Branch shames all decent and humane AMERICANS. :thumbsdown:

[MisterP]

41. why, are they copyrighted?!!!!