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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:11 PM
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Dean says judge should decide on Vermont records
Sorry if this is a dupe, but I checked the first two pages and didn't see it. I don't think Dean could have played this any better than to allow a lawsuit to come up then be able to pound bush* with his locked documents in the general election. Anyway, from Salon:

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/12/07/dean_records/index.html


"What we think the best thing to do is to let the judge go through every single document and decide for himself what ought to be revealed and what not to be revealed," Dean said.

:snip:

"Clearly our campaign can't review the documents, because nobody would believe that we weren't doing something political," he said. "So let an independent third party -- and I think the Judicial Watch suit gives us the opportunity to let a judge go through every single document."

:snip:

"There are some things in there that are really not fair to reveal," Dean said. "Privacy concerns, people writing letters in to me that are private. I mean, everybody admits that if somebody writes a letter to me saying, you know, `Dear Governor, my wife has AIDS' or something like that, that should not be revealed."
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:16 PM
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1. OK, so I didn't read the link
because I'm supposed to be shopping, but judging by the paragraphs that you included, that sounds like a wise move by Dean. Put it in someone else's hands. I'm sure that plenty can be opened, with a few names scrubbed to protect the innocent, the ailing, and the whining, but it would get the issue off his table, at least.

Now, for bush's records...
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:23 PM
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4. "Now, for bush's records..."
That's what I hope to hear Dean's campaign begin to put out there, and I'd like to see it on every newscast.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 07:43 AM
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28. I'd rather they would
all take this opportunity to point out the obvious media bias in favor of rethugs. This is but a small example of the propaganda and double standard they have used to advance the extreme rightwing and their minions.
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dd123 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:16 PM
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2. Great resolution to this stupid dust-up.
Very smart too.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:23 PM
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3. It sure looks like he has something to hide!
Not.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:18 PM
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10. Maybe We Could Learn More About How Dean's Administration Helped Entergy
http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/Archive/Articles/Article/43924

CLF seeks details of Dean administration’s talks with utilities
March 11, 2002

(from the State section)
By SUSAN SMALLHEER Southern Vermont Bureau

MONTPELIER — The Conservation Law Foundation will file a freedom of information request with the Dean administration today to find out how many contacts it has had with Vermont utility executives over the pending sale of the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant.

Mark Sinclair, senior attorney with the environmental group, said Monday that recent news reports about the financial contributions made by Vermont utility executives or board members to Gov. Howard Dean’s presidential campaign political action committee were “too much of a coincidence.”

Sinclair said the new offer from Entergy Nuclear of Jackson, Miss., last week wasn’t substantially better than the original bid, and doesn’t really address the serious concerns raised by the state earlier this winter about local control and other economic issues.

“The department didn’t get anything,” he said.

Sinclair compared it to the negotiations with Vice President Dick Cheney by energy companies that are now subject to an investigation by the General Accounting Office.

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:26 PM
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12. I wondered how long it would take for the anti-deans to show up.
Congratulations on being the first, but I'm sure there will be many more.

As for your link, every govenor is going to have lawsuits and uhappy constituents even within his own party and administration. You really haven't provided anything that compromises Dean, only yourself.

Can you do anything other than bash Dean? Try posting something positive, maybe? Probably not.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:42 PM
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13. Dean Apparently Helped Entergy Buy A Powerplant Below Real Cost
and Entergy contributed to Dean... so it's not really "unhappy constituents" unless DU'ers are also "unhappy constituents" when it comes to Cheney & Halliburton or Enron.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:48 PM
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14. Apparently?
Did it happen and was it unethical? Did he do it for himself to to help his state? You're not providing answers, just blowing smoke.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 08:58 PM
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17. I read that article, too
You forgot this part:

Sinclair said he had credible information from a source who said that the utilities were putting pressure on Dean to get the sale approved, but he admitted he had no absolute evidence that that was the case.



Salembier said her staff had been meeting with representatives from Vermont Yankee, GMP and CVPS to come up with a settlement, but she said there was absolutely no pressure from the governor to support the sale.

“I think the governor has relied very much on our knowledge on our expertise and our investigation into the sale,” she said, noting she was not aware of any meetings with utility executives with Dean over the sale.

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 09:10 PM
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18. I went to the CLF site
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 09:58 PM by last1standing
And found that the whole issue was resolved much to, but not entirely, to CLF's satisfaction. At least enough so that they were bragging about their part in the resolution.

cryingshame just wants to see if he can deceive enough people to drag down Dean. Maybe by slinging enough mud, his candidate might go up in the polls. So what if he has to lie and deceive to do it.

edited to correct a name.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 09:23 PM
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19. Thanks; can you post what you found?
or tell me where you found it, in case it comes up again?

Thanks!
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 09:34 PM
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20. Sure, I should have done it to begin with.
http://www.clf.org/advocacy/Vermont_Yankee_epilogue.htm

On August 1st, the keys to Vermont's only nuclear plant were handed to Entergy Corporation, ending a three year saga by Vermont's utilities to sell the aging Vermont Yankee facility.

:snip:

First, the Board agreed with CLF that the Vermont utilities should receive no upfront rate guarantees for the Entergy power contract. That is, if, as CLF predicts, the Entergy power contract proves to be too expensive as compared to market power, utility shareholders must share in paying for the added power costs. As a result, ratepayers will not be stuck with the entire tab through even higher electric rates due to the Entergy contract.

Second, the power contract was changed in a fundamental way to ensure that the plant is exposed to the competitive wholesale energy market beginning in 2005. CLF has been a leading champion of restructuring the regional energy market, because competition, if done right, will remove ratepayer subsidies for expensive nuclear and dirty coal plants. Already, restructuring in New England has resulted in the closure of several old nukes and fossil fuel plants, and their replacement with cleaner, safer, more efficient, gas turbines and emerging renewable technologies. Threatening this trend, the sale of Vermont Yankee represented a dangerous precedent, with the sale of nukes now coupled with captive ratepayer subsidies such as the Entergy power contract. In fact, the Entergy power contract could have resulted in the exact opposite of what selling the plant was intended to achieve - competition, consumer choice, and lower electric rates.

:snip:

A third sale condition insures that Vermonters will have a major voice in future decisions whether to extend the life of Vermont Yankee after 2012 (when the current license expires). Entergy has stated unequivocally that it will try to extend Vermont Yankee's license by 20 years (until 2032). Under federal law, this post-sale decision would have been solely in the hands of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission at a time when the Bush Administration is bullish on reviving the nuclear industry. State regulators would largely be bystanders. However, here again, CLF objected, and joined the Dean Administration in demanding that the sale only go forward if Entergy agreed to give the state veto authority over license extension decisions. In the end, Entergy agreed to cede to local control rather than risk losing the sale.

A fourth condition recommended by CLF should ensure safe and thorough decommissioning of the plant. Entergy hoped to earn a windfall on the multi-million dollar decommissioning trust fund, by delaying plant retirement, allowing the fund to grow by investment returns, meeting only the minimum NRC safety standards, and pocketing excess trust monies. CLF objected, and again the Board listened. The Board's final approval requires Entergy to return all excess decommissioning funds to Vermont ratepayers, ensuring that Entergy has no incentive to cut corners on eventual nuclear clean up.

Despite these successes, CLF did not get everything that we wanted. During the hearings, CLF insisted that a portion of the $180 million sale proceeds be used to create a renewable energy investment fund. Such a fund would give Vermont a fighting chance to replace its nuclear dependence with renewable energy. After all, we argued, why should the utilities pocket the money, when they were willing to sell Yankee at a fraction of the price? Here state regulators proved a disappointment, buckling under to political pressure from the in-state utilities, and saying no to immediate establishment of a renewable fund. However, the Board did signal its intention to require the Vermont utilities to create a meaningful renewables agenda without delay. First, the Board ruled that future Yankee-related revenues that the Vermont utilities may receive (from spend fuel damages and returns on the nuclear insurance policy) should be used to create a renewable investment fund. Second, the Board intends to establish an investigation into how CLF's renewable fund recommendations can be achieved by the utilities, independent of the Yankee sale.

In the end, the sale of Vermont Yankee should ensure a brighter energy future for Vermont and the region, and tilt the balance away from nuclear power, thanks to CLF's yeoman efforts over the last three years.

:end snip:

Sounds to me that everything worked out fine. Unfortunately, some here don't want things to be fine unless their candidate wins. I can't understand trying to trash a good Democrat with lies when there's a bush* in the whitehouse.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 10:11 PM
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21. Thanks!
There was a thread over in P&C that dredged this up, and it's good to have the facts.

It was even **cough** suggested that this would be Dean's Whitewater.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 10:17 PM
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22. It probably will be.
Whitewater was a bunch of lies put together and shoved down the throats of the ignorant. It's a shame that some here are using the repub playbook.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 10:57 PM
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24. #1 I Am A Woman
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 10:59 PM by cryingshame
#2 Dean tried to deregulate Energy in Vermont using a scheme similar to the one tried in Quebec which was a terribly raw deal for consumers while being a very LUCRATIVE deal for the Energy Industry

#3 The actions of Dean's Administration did end up helping Entergy's (Koch Brothers) acquisition.

#4 Dean was lionized by the Cato Institue (Koch Brothers)

#5 Dean recieved seed money for his Presidential campaign from Entergy (Koch Brothers)

#6 Why didn't the media bring the article I cited up? It is most certainly relevant to Dean's current situation. Both having to do with sealed records/records unavailable to Vermont public.


Again, there is a small window of opportunity to retool our economy for Green Technology.

Dean's past of being cozy not only with Big Energy but withthe Koch Brothers/Cato Institute give me reason to believe that he will aggressively pursue Alternative Energies in a way that is truely Consumer Friendly and Decentralized.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 11:23 PM
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25. #1 I am sorry I didn't somehow realize you were a woman.
#2-6 Where is your proof? Where is there a shread of evidence that these flamebombs you keep throwing out have any validity whatsoever? I'm not willing to dismiss our best candidate just because you have some strange hatred of Democrats who can actually win.

I've looked into your problem with Dean and his connection to Entergy, Koch, Cato, and Satan. Other than some very biased sources, no one really seems to think there is a problem here, unless you count articles like the one you provided from over a year and a half ago.

Unless you can come up with something that actually shows a problem with Dean, I'd suggest trying to find another topic to flame him with.
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:26 PM
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5. Once again, Dean has made a "hot button" issue not so "hot button"
anymore. Let an independant source look at the records and decide. Then he can slam bush* for keeping his records locked up and hard to get to.

This is just another example of how Dean can handle the tough situations that are thrown his way.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:28 PM
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6. Dean is a genius. (nt)
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:41 PM
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7. Not just rapid response, but jujitsu response!
It's becoming the hallmark of zen master Trippi.

Welcome to our dojo, dubya. It's about time you got kicked around.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 06:20 PM
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11. Rapid Response? It Took Him An Entire News Cycle
So I think you're a little too enthusiastic about Dean's capacity to handle potentially damaging info.
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Romberry Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:13 AM
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26. Well, a news cycle....
A news cycle these days is defined as 24 hours. In comparison to the DLC, the DNC and the other Democratic candidates, I'd say Dean looks like the friggin Flash!
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Kremer Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:45 PM
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8. He was just on Faux.
Why is it when it's a dem on faux, it's not an interview it's an inquisition (s/p). Charles Gibson just interviewed him and kept hammering him on these sealed documents when he was gov. My god, you would think Dean is hiding several murders, a couple of rapes and maybe a little drug trafficking in these documents. The interviewer ( I think I'm wrong on Charlie Gibson) whatever another faux idiot, was acting like Dean is obviously hiding some big scandel. These guys are just oozing w/ hypocrisy. How about the fact that the court jester in the Whitehouse has sealed every damn document from when he was gov of Texas and probably every document he touched since he was born!!! And there is no way in hell shrub would unseal his files!!! Gee, what is Mr. Bush hiding? I mean it's sooooo obvious, right faux? How about Dean unseals his documents when Bush unseals his!! ASSHOLE!!
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 05:49 PM
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9. I think he's handling it much better than that.
He's taking it to bush* and saying "I have nothing to hide, do you?" Let's see if he takes it to the resident or not.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 08:31 PM
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15. I hope Dean will!
;-)
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 08:47 PM
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16. He hasn't missed too many opportunities, yet.
It takes a lot for a govenor from Vermont to become the frontrunner in a field of qualified candidates, but he managed to do that.

I remember seeing him in a puff piece on CNN over a year ago that was meant to showcase Dean in a way that told you he didn't stand a chance of winning the nomination. Then I remember in the spring all the media asking if he was peaking too early in a way that told you he was about to go down in flames. Then a couple of months ago the media started talking about how angry he was in a way that told you he was a psycho ready to destroy the party with racism and hatred. Now the media is asking if the repubs support Dean in a way that tells you they really are.

He's come through all of that stronger for the experience. Something tells me that he'll handle whatever is thrown at him, and it's not the media.

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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 10:35 PM
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23. I think that was Chris Wallace ...
... he is Mike Wallace's son, and he was pretty hard on Andy Card (Card's eye kept twitching). Andy Card used to be a lobbyist for the auto industry. My boss knows him, says he is an arrogant a**hole. Big surprise.

Anyway, I saw Dean and thought he handled Chris well, very calm and matter of fact, I thought Dean came out ahead.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 05:39 AM
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27. And who are these watchdog guys?? Ops of the PUBs
Looking for shit on Dean?

and what of Bushies papers?

Its just not fair, but then, .........................
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