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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:09 PM
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Helen Chenowith- dead.
Heard just now on Boise NBC news.

Car accident near her home in Northern Nevada.
Innatentive driving.
Chenowith wore no seat belt, held unbelted 5 month old infant on her lap.
Chenowith and baby were ejected from the Ford Expedition. Baby was okay.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:13 PM
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1. Helen Chenoweth-Hage Dies in Car Accident
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vietnam_war_vet Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:01 AM
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49. No tears shed here....
I was living in Boise when Chenoweth won the election against
incumbent Congressman Larry LaRocco (a combat Vietnam Vet and
a good, honorable man).  She utilized swift-boaters-style
negative campaigning, denigrating his military service and
alluding he had mental health and PTSD problems.  She won. 
She then proved to quite unfriendly, non-supportive of
American veterans.  Someone in this string called her a
"corporate whore" and from firsthand
observations....that hit the nail square on the proverbial
head concerning Chenoweth.  --  Michael
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:08 AM
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53. She was a corporate whore and sell out to big business
She was also just a plain whore. She sold out some of the most beautiful lands in Idaho to industrialists for her profits as a "lands developer". She wasn't even an Idahoan, but she did her best to destroy it.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:04 AM
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103. A "black helicopters" nut job
.
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PerceptionManagement Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:11 AM
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116. Now remember, she said she had 'Evidence' of the those black helo's
Maybe she was taken out for what she knew...
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PerceptionManagement Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:14 AM
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117. It's obvious she was punished for leaving her free speech cage.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:13 PM
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136. Either that, or the anal probes
made her crazy.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:02 PM
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145. What does that mean?
.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:53 AM
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98. Thanks for sharing that,
and welcome to DU. :hi:

I really don't understand not supporting our veterans- particularly years down the line, when the injuries/exposures cause further problems. That shouldn't happen in the first place, but there's this habit today of turning away long before those problems arise.

It's shameless, and reprehensible. I must ask the question: can throwing one's own soldiers away to suffer and die from the wounds and illnesses they bear as a result of participating in an unjust war be a war crime in and of itself?

If not, it should be.....

(I work with a permanently brain damaged Vietnam vet. I'm now asking myself if he received all the care he needed...)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:15 AM
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101. Republicons HATE veterans of the US Armed Services
the republicons go out of their way to trash our vets, and to cut their benefits.

I think it's because so many of the republicons are ashamed that they are chickenhawks, people like Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney, and Rush "Anal Cyst" Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Hannity.

None of those creeps served America for even one day.

I think when they see a real VET they are ashamed of themselves, and so go out of their way to attack, demean, and otherwise screw real vets who served honorably.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:56 AM
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144. Welcome to DU, VWV
!!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:47 AM
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95. another conservative hypocrite
criticizing Clinton's behavior while carrying on an affair
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:13 PM
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2. Link
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:17 PM
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9. Chenoweth-Hage was a passenger in the S-U-V-type vehicle
that flipped just before noon on State Route 376, the main route between her Pine Creek Ranch, in Monitor Valley, and Tonopah.

Maybe you need a special license to drive an SUV, like you do with a motorcyle.

:(
rocknation

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:14 PM
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3. No seat belt??? Baby ON HER F---ING LAP??????
That bitch deserved to die. At least the baby is ok, NO THANKS TO HER.
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SoyCat Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:28 PM
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19. It really does make one worry about these people. They truly do only
care until the instant a baby is born and then poof! Child endangerment, what's that?

:mad:
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:30 AM
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94. What is wrong with that daughter?
She lets her mother hold her young baby on her lap instead of putting him in a car seat? Shouldn't she be charged with a crime, child endangerment or something?
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:48 AM
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111. Since this child was not an embryo...
...she no longer required the full protection of the law. Child safety restraints and other by-products of intrusive gov't regulations be damned!
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:21 AM
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119. it is likely her death saved the baby
she's an darwin awards candidate, but the baby probably landed on her. maybe she actively shielded the baby. we don't know, but the minor injuries to the baby are pretty remarkable.

no one DESERVES to die like that. dial it back a couple notches.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:11 PM
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Nope. Not dialing it back. That woman was evil, start to finish.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:03 PM
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133. One more time
your children aren't safe in their hands. And they think the rules don't apply to them.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:15 PM
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4. Yup
Former U.S. Rep. Helen Chenoweth-Hage, who held "endangered salmon bakes" and once accused federal agents of using black helicopter gunships, died Monday in a car crash, her daughter said. She was 68.

Chenoweth-Hage, whose arch-conservative, often libertarian and sometimes extreme views made her popular with militia movements, was the passenger in a one-car crash near Tonopah, Nev., 172 miles northwest of Las Vegas, said her daughter Meg Chenoweth Keenan. No one else was seriously hurt, she said.


http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/10/02/ap306118...
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:15 PM
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5. wasn't she one of the hypocrites that went after Clinton ?
i think she said that what she did was ok because God forgave HER. all the while attacking Clinton.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:16 PM
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6. "maximum personal liberty" includes the right not to wear a seat beat
thank goodness the baby is okay
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:21 PM
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13. "Maximum personal liberty" could easily have killed that baby.
What a moran she was. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:37 PM
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32. She confused "maximum personal liberty" with "maximum personal stupidity"
At least the baby is okay.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:16 PM
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7. Wikipedia has already updated her profile. Died on Oct 2, 2006
- not wearing seatbell - holding a baby - etc.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:16 PM
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8. sheeptramp, please edit your post to add link
thanks
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:18 PM
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10. I thought it was someone I'd be sad at the passing
Till I read her Wikipedia page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Chenoweth

As one of the "true believers" in the Republican freshman class of 1995, Chenoweth was one of the most conservative members of the House. She insisted on being addressed as "Congressman Chenoweth," unlike most female Representatives.

She was referred to by critics as a "poster-child for the militias". While in Congress, she claimed that federal agents were using "Black helicopters" to enforce the Endangered Species Act. She also supported Slobodan Milosevic's view of the Balkan crisis of the 1990s. <2>. Chenoweth was a severe critic of President Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal and was one of the first to call for his resignation over the affair, although she admitted that she had an affair with a married man in the 1980s. She claimed that her case was different from the Clinton/Lewinsky case since she was divorced and a private citizen at the time. Largely due to the controversy surrounding her, she was never able to establish a secure footing in her district. She faced reasonably well-funded challenges in 1996 and 1998, especially considering the 1st's heavy Republican tilt.

Chenoweth later declared that term limits were bad policy but nonetheless honored her three-term pledge and did not run for reelection in 2000. She was succeeded by Idaho lieutenant governor Butch Otter, a fellow Republican.

In 1997, she introduced H. J. Res 83 in the 103rd Congress, essentially a revival of the famous Bricker Amendment.<3> It was referred to the House Judiciary committee, subcommittee on the Constitution, and made no further progress.<4>-snip-
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:18 PM
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11. Oh well. What else is going on?
Sorry but I just don't give a damn about hatemongers like her. I just consider it a little more space in the world for someone who might provide a better contribution.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:18 PM
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12. I give her credit for one thing
She made a promise to limit herself to three terms, and she kept her promise. A lot of other Republicans made similar promises in 1992 and 1994 and broke their word. Not Chenoweth.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:24 PM
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17. She had pretty well used her influence to give her
the maximum $ in return. She was a corporate whore, not even raised in Idaho.

She slept into her GOP seat.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:21 PM
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14. Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead
She slept her way to the House of Reps. After a six year old affair with a big time GOP married man, she played the trump, that God has forgiven her.

The wife of the man had a beautiful retort" God may have forgiven you Helen, but I don't"

She was one big time hypocritical bitch.

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:55 AM
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99. In the end apparently God
didn't forgive her either ... "payback is a bitch".
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:21 PM
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15. I know a 15 year old down the block who is a quadriplegic
from this type of accident, where an SUV drifts off the road and a driver overcorrects and the thing flips. The kid had a seatbelt on and nearly died several times over the next few months.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:22 PM
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16. No more endangered salmon bakes for her
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:24 PM by Solly Mack
Perhaps there'll be a day to "confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness"...
like she called for during the Clinton years


good thing she asked for forgiveness for screwing around while excoriating others for doing the same

Spare me the outrage.

I.don't.give.a.damn.




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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:25 PM
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18. Good!
:rofl:
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:29 PM
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20. delete
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:34 PM by Seen the light
Whoops. It's late here.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:33 PM
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23. Reread the article. The mother did not die
Helen did risk the baby's life by not using a baby seat.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:35 PM
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27. My bad, posting while tired is bad n/t
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:33 PM
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24. But, she was 68 -- That couldn't be her baby, could it?
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:33 PM by Oregonian
Must be a grandbaby or something. Still, sad for the baby. :(

However, if I ever found out one of my relatives was riding around with one of my children on his or her lap while he or she drove, I would personally strangle him or her.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:36 PM
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30. It was her grandchild.
The child's mother, Chenoweth's daughter-in-law, was driving the SUV and was also unhurt.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:49 PM
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40. It was NOT her grandchild
I am a little surprised she would risk an infant by not placing it in a babysit. But that's Helen. The bitch.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:01 AM
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48. Yes it was.
At least, that's what the article says:

"Chenoweth-Hage was a passenger in the S-U-V-type vehicle that flipped just before noon on State Route 376, the main route between her Pine Creek Ranch, in Monitor Valley, and Tonopah.
"The driver, daughter-in-law Yelena Hage, and her 5-month-old son Bryan weren't seriously injured."


http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5488061&nav=8faO
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:10 AM
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54. No, it was NOT
The child shared no blood whatsoever with her. Don't expect the press in this area to be truthful.

The child was NOT a blood kin.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:31 AM
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64. Okay....
Would you care to elaborate?

If the child belonged to her daughter-in-law, presumably that means the child's mother is married to her son, right? So the baby is NOT her grandchild... how?

If you have other information, please don't keep us in suspense.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:34 AM
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66. No, there is no blood relationship
The daughter in law was not married to her son.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:36 AM
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So how, then, is she her daughter-in-law?
You're holding back, Erika.

Give it up!

:D
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:38 AM
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69. There is no blood relationship
Give it up. No Hagues married a Chenoweth.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:46 AM
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71. Have it your way.
Fortunately, I really don't give a shit about it. Your emphatic insistence without backup information sure seems strange, though, and your mysterious certitude strikes a really odd note.

I'll be sure to never ask you for documentation on anything really important.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:53 AM
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72. For not seeming to give a shit about it. you sure protesteth alot
Maybe that tells us something, you think? I'm an Idahoan and know about her, and you?

Says a lot for future posts.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:01 AM
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75. Just my natural curiosity and sense of logic.
I was only trying to figure out how a daughter-in-law and her child could be no relation. Little things like that can bug me... and your very emphatic protestations without backup information struck me as very odd.

Belatedly reading your other posts in this thread, though, your hatred for Chenowith seems deep seated and very personal. Obviously, a nerve has been struck, so I'm happy to drop the subject. I have no stake in it.

Go in peace... and I'm going to go watch Jon Stewart now. :)
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:04 AM
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77. OK Sure
Enjoy Stewart. You didn't live in the state she tried to destroy.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:12 PM
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135. What Is This? A Montague, Capulet Thing?
"No Hagues married a Chenoweth". LOL! :)

Are these two clans fighting or something?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:26 AM
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61. So does that mean the daughter in law (with dashes) is going to
be prosecuted for manslaughter? No seat belt is against the law in AZ and she may be charged here.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:31 AM
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65. Your guess is as good as mine.
n/t
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:33 PM
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25. How many other babies are in the same situation....
due to her "conservative" votes? How many children will go hungry tonight because of her actions? I feel badly for any child without a mother, but I don't feel any sympathy for a mother who heartlessly denied other mothers a chance to raise healthy families of their own.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:40 PM
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34. She was 68 yrs. old. That wasn't her baby.
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:40 PM by NYC
...The driver, daughter-in-law Yelena Hage, and her 5-month-old son Bryan weren't seriously injured...
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:30 PM
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21. Are you from Boise?
I spent some time there last week...Awesome place--I caught a dozen trout right in downtown Boise!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:34 PM
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26. I'm a native Boisean n/t
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:36 PM
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31. Cool...Boise's on my list of top 3 places
to move when I get completely fed up with Louisiana (I'm a native Oregonian in exile here)
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:39 PM
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33. Boise is probably closer to Eugene than anywhere else
Boise is not GOP.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:41 PM
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35. yeah, i noticed...although some of the surrounding burbs and hamlets are
a little scary...I can handle it, though--I spend a lot of time in Eastern Oregon and love it.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:42 PM
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37. Burns, LaGrande, Bend? n/t
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:48 PM
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39. all of the above,,,,Was in Ontario for several days a couple weeks ago...
flyfishing the Owyhee River.

I also love the Wallowas (Joseph, Enterprise) and down by the Steens Mountain

My other top places to live, besides Boise, are Bend and Portland. Probably leaning toward Bend as number 1...unless the crazy growth going on there starts to spoil it
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:51 PM
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41. Did you eat at the EastSide in Ontario?
Best Chinese place in the region.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:55 PM
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43. darn, i missed out... I remember seeing it and
was really craving Chinese...but i was fishing till late and usually rolling back into town when there were no options left but fast food...

i did eat at one of the Basque restaurants in Boise... Leku some-thing-or-other...very good
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:57 PM
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44. The Boise valley has the biggest Basque population in the nation
Yes, their food is very good.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:01 AM
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47. yeah, i ike that little Basque neighborhood...
i've gone to the basque pub there a few times in the past

i sometimes see Basque shepherds tending herds up in NE Oregon...not ethnic Basque-Americans but Basques from Spain...They come over for a couple years, make a lot of money and then return home
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:03 AM
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51. They come from the Pyrenees
on special permits. That is how most Basques settled here.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:07 AM
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52. let's keep it quiet, or we'll start hearing them called "aliens" by
the likes of O'Reilly and Dobbs
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #51
151. How come we can't do that for our Mexican Americans?
They are our neighbors.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #47
93. There are a lot of Basque in Eastern Oregon.....Harper, Or
has a rich history.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:09 AM
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92. I live in Ontario....it's o.k. but, I feel a little out of place sometimes
We actually had a fairly good Kerry/Edwards campaign here, but the swiftboaters and the faux gun issue had a bigger impact than we could overcome.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:43 AM
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108. I was sorta surprised to read the editorials in the Ontario paper
when I was there in mid-Sept....Thet were pretty moderate and even subtly left-leaning...I forgot the name of the guy who wrote them.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:08 AM
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104. Although the rest of the state is chock full of right-wing whackos
From the white supremacists of Hayden Lake to the conservative kool-aid drinkers of the Magic Valley and George Hansen's Eastern Idaho.

I'm from Idaho, too. No one should kid themselves for a second that this place (even Boise) is a haven from Repedophile lunacy.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:51 AM
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109. I stopped for a snack in Homedale...
beautiful scenery but the redneck-style conservatism was palpable...But like I said in a previous post, I'm pretty used to that from my ventures in E. Oregon. I think a lot of these people could be turned--it's just that they've had it drummed into their heads since youth that "the federal gov't" is evil and that the Dems are the party of "the federal gov't"...But now that Cheney and friends are drilling for natural gas on their ranchlands (in Wyoming and Montana), and now that they see that the Repubs have brought them no good, maybe there's a chance for a change. Saw an article posted somewhere on DU yesterday about how the mountain West is turning somewhat toward the Dems.
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gkdmaths Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:53 PM
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42. OOOH! fisherman!
Boise is cool. Nice avatar, BTW.

Also, its too bad the lady had to die - people do that, though.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:02 AM
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50. like your avatar too
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gkdmaths Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:55 AM
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74. We're fairly close,
We should flip some beadheads or big black ants out on some riffles together some summer. Flyfishing is my sport, too.

:yourock:
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:05 AM
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79. just spent an unbelievable week on the Owyhee...
big, big brown trout--pretty much beadhead anything (beadhead prince was my fly of choice), and some savage strikes on Black Matukas, although the monsters that took those were not so easy to land. Nice periods of really good dry fly fishing too...Where are some of the places that you like to fish?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:08 AM
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81. Sounds like you were in the Reynolds Creek area? n/t
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:20 AM
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85. actually it was in Oregon...
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 01:24 AM by blitzen
Reynolds Creek is in ID, isn't it?

The good part of the Owyhee is the tailwater section downstream of the Dam at Owyhee Lake--it flows North or Northeast there. Closest town of any size is Nyssa, Or...I stayed in Ontario. It was remarkably good, even though they had a major flood this spring and most people say it's not quite so good as it's been the last 5 years. Anyway, I've fished a lot of the most touted rivers and this definitely ranks very high


Here's a link for some info:
http://www.dreamsonthefly.com/owyhee.html

Good regular Owyhee reports here:
http://fisheyesoup.com / (click "fishing reports" then "Oregon")
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gkdmaths Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #79
83. I spend most of my time in
North-central Washington, in the smaller open streams from Wenatchee north through the Okanogan. I love the Methow River for Cuts, but you can land some serious Dolly's in some of the east slope streams if you know where to go. Some of the best fishing is done in the Icicle, upper Wenatchee, Yakima, Tieton and Columbia at Omak.

But, thats just where I like to go.

:thumbsup:
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:23 AM
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86. I haven't fished much in WA, except down on the Grande Ronde
near Boggan's Oasis, just north of Troy, Or...Great steelhead on the fly

I've been wanting to fish the Yakima for a while...I've seen photos and it looks like the Deschutes, one of my "home" waters
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gkdmaths Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #86
90. Ive never fished the
deschutes, but it looks nice, Ive spent lots of time between Biggs and Bend (used to climb at Smith). Those rafters are nuts.

Yakima is good for big steelies, but I generally will go for smaller, though hardier game (brown, brookies or dollies) in some of the smaller rivers. I'll take lively and small over infrequent and massive any day.

I havent been able to get out and do much fishing in a while. Next summer I think I will have to take a multi-month vacation and get some good exploring done.

Its nice to meet another fisherman on DU.

:hi:

PS: I spent some time around Imnaha, North of Joseph, OR a few years back. That was a magical trip with some of the most beautiful hiking and fishing Ive ever done!

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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:51 AM
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91. Imnaha!!!
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 01:55 AM by blitzen
one of my favorite places...Along with the amazing scenery, can be damn good fishing...Had a great steelhead trip there two autumns ago, around Halloween---lots of bull trout too. e-mail me and I'll send you a couple Imnaha steelhead/canyon pics--tomorrow, since i've got to call it a night now

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:31 PM
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22. Lest my sense of irony get rusty ...
"State law requires both seatbelts and babyseats."

(Neither were used.)

Can't have them Federal folks messin' with states' rights can we? :eyes:

My sympathies go out to her grieving family.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. If adultery had been illegal, the bitch would have flipped that
off also.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:36 PM
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29. Helen Chenowith-dead?
No seat belt? Well, she's finally free of all those nasty laws.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:41 PM
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36. And the wife of her long time lay is also relieved
As she said "God may have forgiven Helen, but I don't"
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:46 PM
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38. what a bitch
couldn't have happened to a nicer gal
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:58 PM
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45. is the baby ok...??
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:00 AM
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46. treated for minor injuries and released
No thanks to Helen or the wisdom of it's mother.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:17 AM
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55. I'm glad the baby survived, wish DUers here had better sense than to gloat
A child has lost her (maybe) grandmother. This is sad. Her politics were reprehensible, but nothing excuses DUers bringing dishonor to this board by being glad another person has died. I thought we opposed the war in Iraq because we valued human life. I thought we opposed torture because we value human decency.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:23 AM
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59. You didn't know the bitch Helen, did you?
You didn't know the harm she did to Idaho or to the wives of those she had affairs with to sleep her way up.

We are all glad the baby is OK. But yes, ding dong the wicked witch is dead.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:27 AM
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107. We value human life of those we agree with politically.
:sarcasm:

It's kind of like being against the death penalty, except in those cases in which someone has done something really bad and had the death penalty imposed, but deserves it.

In this case, a simple "didn't agree with her politics or morality, but am sad to see anyone die in such a way" would suffice. (That's not vicious enough? Not "tough politics enough?" Thank you and proud of it.)
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #55
115. Thanks. Good to see at least a few people acting decently.
As a politician, Chenowith was a supreme joke, to say the least. But she was still a human being.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #55
124. After reading her history AND this little tidbit...
"wore no seat belt, held unbelted 5 month old infant on her lap."

I daresay the BEST possible outcome happened. Survival of all involved would have been a slightly worse outcome.

Therefore: HOORAY!
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:18 AM
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56. The world is a better place without her
or her kind.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:19 AM
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57. Her daughter in law is not too bright either
how could you let someone hold your child in the front seat with no seat belt?

these people are brain dead
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:25 AM
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60. They just wanted to prove they, as elitists, are above the law
Thank goodness their arrogance didn't hurt the little one.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:21 AM
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58. RIP.
...
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:30 AM
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62. I don't think Mrs Ravenscroft who endured her husband
having a six year relationship with Helen thinks she should RIP. Her husband was just one of the sleeping stones Helen used to capture her house seat.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:37 AM
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68. So, when Clinton dies, I shouldn't wish for him to rest peacefully?
You know how many people cheat on their spouses? IMHO, there are people in this world who have done a lot worse.

I wish people a safe journey when they die. What happens (or what doesn't happen) on the other side, if it exists, is not my concern. It's not for me to decide. Personally, I can't bring myself to unload on a woman who just died in a violent car crash.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:55 AM
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73. I can.
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 12:56 AM by Erika
How much damage is done is a criteria. That baby could have been dead by her negligence and laughing at the rule of law.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:04 AM
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78. Then that works for you.
I go my way, you go yours. I'm not shedding any tears for the woman, but neither am I going to express joy at her death (and let me be clear, I'm not saying that people here are). Some people take the occasion of someone's death to examine their successes and shortcomings, others want to wait a moment before doing so. What works for you works for you, what works for me works for me. Why pick a fight?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #78
82. If you see a cancer destroyed
You feel relief. That's how many of us here feel.

You can call that good or bad. I don't care.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:25 AM
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88. Good for you.
Like I said, I'm not going to cheer death, especially when IMHO there are about a brazillion people worse than she is in this world.

And notice, while you wrote your sentiments, I said nothing. Frankly, it's none of my business. How a person deals with death is a personal matter and I'm certainly not going to jump down anyone's throat because of how they react.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:30 AM
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63. is there a Darwin award
soon to be announced?

:shrug:

dp
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #63
67. It would make my day
I'm so glad the bitch won't be in our faces any longer.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:00 AM
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100. whoa... you must really have loathed this person!
You seem to have very strong feelings on this subject!

Not judging, you understand. People can't always help how they feel.

Me, I'm from Maine, and can't say I know much about Chenoweth -- just that her values seem to have been polar opposites to mine. I'm sorry she got killed, in the general sort of way that I'm sorry whenever just about anyone I don't know gets killed.

Over here, btw, salmon are now much fussed-over. We've torn out entire dams to help them. I hope that people out west will take note of what Maine has to do keep the salmon population going; you really don't want to let the situation get that dire.

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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:40 AM
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70. That's truly horrible.
My sincere sympathies to the family. It's never easy to say goodbye to someone you love.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:02 AM
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76. The fishies & the forests are smilin' tonight!
I'm thinking of those deer and the squirrels in the commercials where they dash out in front of the oncoming vehicles, to cause wrecks!

If it was an animal that caused the crash, sure hope it survived okay.

As everyone in the Pacific Northwest knows, Helen Chenoweth did everything in her power to destroy as much wildlife and forestland possible during her short reign.

Good riddance! May principles and true morality now return to our neck of the woods!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:06 AM
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80. Helen never saw a tree she didn't think should be cut down
or a fish that shouldn't be canned. She was no Idahoan but she was the lovey gal of GOP corporatists.

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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:19 AM
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84. or a man she wouldn't go after, lol!
Remember her endangered salmon barbeques?

The woman was a blight on the world.

What will all those pervy focus on the family folks do without her?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:24 AM
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87. Yeah she slept her way up
then did a "W", saying how now she had found God and was going after the Xtian vote. As the wife on one of her married partners said "Helen might think God forgives her, but I don't".

She was one true bitch.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:30 AM
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89. I do not celebrate this, but I certainly will not miss her. n/t
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:09 AM
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105. I'll celebrate for both of us...
She was beyond loathesome...
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:34 AM
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96. Seat belts and child car seats really do save lives! And it's the LAW...
... to use them whenever you're on a public way.

When I was in school, my father was hit by a drunk driver when he was driving home from work. The crash happened right outside our house. He had his seat belt on, and remained conscious enough to climb out of the car. Which is a good thing, because the gasoline was starting to leak out.

I will never even put the key in the ignition until everyone in the vehicle is buckled up.

Even if you won't obey the rules of the road, you can't help but obey the laws of physics. Without safety devices, the human body is readily maimed or killed by the forces generated in an auto crash.


It's so frustrating to read this kind of story, because it doesn't have to happen!
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:38 AM
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97. Karma strikes again
Remember to buckle up, y'all
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:50 AM
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102. The Black Helicopters must have got her
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #102
138. The Spies! They Are Everywhere!
AAARGGH! RUN AWAY! AAAARGH!
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:15 AM
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106. Never talk about the dead without saying something good.
She's dead. Good.

--with thanks to the great Moms Mabley.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:22 AM
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110. Former Rep. Helen Chenoweth-Hage killed in vehicle accident
I'm sorry to hear of anyone being killed in tragic accident, even if it's a clueless reactionary such as Helen. It's worth noting that Ms. Chenoweth-Hage was defiant of gov't regulations until the very end, when she was ejected from the vehicle she was travelling in while not wearing a seatbelt. Also a bit irresponsible that the grandchild she was holding on her lap was not even strapped in.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID...
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:04 AM
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112. mom lives in southern Idaho
I don't like visiting--awhile back when I was visiting they were talking about enacting a law arresting unmarried pregnant young women, especially if they asked for assistance. I kept thinking at the time, how about the men? Some young women wind up pregnant by older men, but it seems it's all the woman's fault. I heard that spousal abuse is high in Idaho. Boise probably is less conservative, but the parts I've visited are too homogeneous, and kind of backward for my tastes. My hubby and I were in Twin Falls at the mall and there was a hispanic young man walking in the mall with two young white men behind him calling him names, telling him to turn around--trying to start something--My hubby and I walked slowly by them and glared at the two men, at least they quit the name calling. Must visit my mom this month, but I am not looking forward to it. There's no other family in that state, wished she'd move closer to us.

Too bad they didn't think about putting the child in a car seat, since it is the law. I guess some can indiscriminately break the law, while others cannot. If she's such a libertarian, she can chose not to wear a seatbelt (even if it's the law), but she clearly risked the child's life.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #112
153. No kidding!
And it isn't always the beat them up type, but the make them feel like shit type. I spoke up a few times when I lived there and was very close to being beaten up myself, particularly when I got the woman aside and started "giving her ideas". The problem is that the whole state needs a network of battered women shelters.
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GiveUsHope Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:16 AM
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113. So we cheer the death of people now?
I mean, what?
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:32 AM
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120. "without Contraries is no progression...
Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary to human existence.

From these contraries spring what the religious call Good and Evil. Good is the passive that obeys Reason. Evil is the active springing from Energy.

(William Blake)

I think we have a pretty good selection of all that in this thread.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:19 AM
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114. It's good that the baby survived, sad for Ms. Chenowith
I really don't know much about her, other than that she was a republican. It's sad, I'm sure her family is grieving.

I hope people really start paying attention to wearing seat belts and using baby seats. She probably used her body to protect the baby (like that plane crash in Detroit almost 20 years ago, where the only survivor was a little kid whose parents used their bodies to protect her). If the baby had been in a car seat and Ms. Chenowith had worn her seat belt, she'd probably still be alive and the baby would have also survived. Those car seats are sturdy.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:14 AM
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118. I'm not celebrating, but if there is karma,
maybe it came back to her.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:11 PM
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121. We have become the enemy
When we revel in someone else death.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:49 PM
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125. Oh, spare us the melodrama.
She was an exceedingly evil person, and endangered a FIVE MONTH BABY out of some distorted Libertarianoid ideology. She won't be able to endanger anyone else now. I call this a happy ending.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #125
127. Don't believe in the death penalty (no matter how nasty)
the perp, not do I relish the death of someone (no matter how nasty.)

Not wearing seat belt is stupid; not putting one on a baby is insanely stupid, but I have seen it many times. I don't think that most of the perpetrators were libertarian, just lazy and believing that it will never happen to them.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:02 PM
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128. Read her Wikipedia page. -nt
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #128
129. Don't know if that is meant to reply to the reason for not wearing
a seat beat or that she was nasty enough to deserve to die. I don't know any Libertarians, but my guess is that, while they may oppose government requirements to wear seat belts, they are not necessarily idiots who would not see the wisdom of wearing them as a matter of personal responsibility and self-preservation.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:22 PM
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130. You see a broad brush where there is none.
Also, learn about the "oid" suffix.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:21 PM
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139. Real progressive
thinking...high end.
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Jim Stark Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:53 PM
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131. indeed this is pathetic
and sick
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:22 PM
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140. Since They Love to Quote the Bible
so much. "An eye for an eye". There. :P
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:21 PM
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122. glad the baby lived
Man, there's your individual freedom for you. Doing a Britney Spears. That's REALLY mature.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:22 PM
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123. Glad to hear that the baby was OK
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 12:23 PM by new_beawr
otherwise, she's dead through her own stupidity, fitting............
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knittinliberal Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:53 PM
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126. I'll never forget the bumper sticker...
Can Helen, Not Salmon

I'm always sad to hear about a senseless death, and I'm glad the baby is ok. But when we lived in N Idaho... I happily sported that bumper sticker on my car, and it remains one of my favorite lines.

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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:59 PM
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143. That's awesome and welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:51 PM
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157.  Welcome to DU.
I lived in Hope on Lake Pend Oreille. Where do you live?

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knittinliberal Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 10:40 AM
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159. Thanks--longtime lurker
We used to live in Moscow (for about 15 years) before moving out of state abotu 5 years ago. I still miss it... we'd like to move back.

I have a friend who got married at "Beyond Hope," lol. My brother-in-law lives in Athol -- we were just out there visiting this summer. Beautiful spot, Pend Oreille.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:02 PM
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132. How tragic. May she rest in peace.
n/t
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:01 PM
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134. Baby On Laps? Who Was She?
Britney Spears?
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:16 PM
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137. Nil mortui dire nisi bonum. Nil mortui dire nisi bonum. Nil mortui dire ..
Hard adviced, in this case (Of the dead, say nothing but good). I'll just hold my tongue.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:31 PM
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141. "she fought for the maximum individual liberty"
Otter says, "What a tragedy. In every sense of her being, she fought for the maximum individual liberty -- and the minimum in government."

Yep, had she remained in Congress she would have voted for PATRIOT and the torture bill, and she would have gone alone with the majority in giving Bush dictatorial powers. That's some champion of individual liberty!
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:36 PM
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142. My condolences to the family.
I'll leave it at that.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:13 PM
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146. Ding Dong The wicked witch is dead
She always placed herself above laws. I thought the baby had been treated and released, but it's still in the hospital for observation. Maybe she could have figured out, that some laws, like seat belt laws are out there for a reason.

Thankfully, her republican arrogance won't end up with life long effects on the baby.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:18 PM
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147. She was my Congress rep when I lived in Idaho.
She did nothing for the people of Idaho. I don't like to walk on graves but RIP. I hope the baby goes to a responsible home.
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dback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:21 PM
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148. At least she died doing one good thing--saving the baby
She was a pretty vile woman in all other respects.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:26 PM
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152. She endangered the baby by avoiding the
law and holding it in her lap. She deserves no praise.
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dback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:37 PM
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154. Hmm, you're right. Well, I guess she's pretty much unredeemable.
Crazy people in Idaho, anyways. ;)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:44 PM
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156. I thought she was abominable.
However, I can't walk on anyone's grave. She is a symbol of what was and is wrong with Idaho politically,maybe even our nation at large, people who vote against their own best interests because they have been convinced that the government is going to take over their lives.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:21 PM
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149. Both she and we are in a better world n/t
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:25 PM
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150. I would never wish someone dead. But, as long as she's gone...
GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:52 PM
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158. Me too. n/t
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:39 PM
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155. RIP - Pergatory that is!
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