Film Shows Youths Training to Fight for Jesus

[Roland99]

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=2455343

Speaking in tongues, weeping for salvation, praying for an end to abortion and worshipping a picture of President Bush -- these are some of the activities at Pastor Becky Fischer's Bible camp in North Dakota, "Kids on Fire," subject of the provocative new documentary, "Jesus Camp."

"I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are in Palestine, Pakistan and all those different places," Fisher said. "Because, excuse me, we have the truth."

"A lot of people die for God," one camper said, "and they're not afraid."

"We're kinda being trained to be warriors," said another, "only in a funner way."

:wtf:

[Glorfindel]

1. I saw a preview...that vile woman will burn in hell

What a horrible way to ruin children's lives.

[bluestateguy]

12. Fortunately a few of the kids will rebel someday

A few anyway.

[nodehopper]

80. oooooo

do you have a link to the preview? I'd be so curious to see it.

[Realityhack]

107. Here:

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

click on video in the upper right.

I am just bummed it will take so long to get to Boston.

[Kutjara]

2. Hitlerjugend anyone?

I guess Shrubby was serious when he made that remark about Crusades. These little tykes will no doubt form the nucleus of the next Children's Crusade.

Unbelievable.

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. I think my hunch that a child was coerced to copy those anthrax letters

and address those envelopes, is gaining more plausibility. The FBI claimed they were looking for someone in their 60s because of the traditional way the letters were formed, but I believe that in certain right-wing Christian schools, traditional letter-writing is being taught. And this school would be tops on my list.

In the anthrax letter, that "G" has too much of a child's signature. A cutsy "G" or a "G" that at first was mistaken for a "6" when it was being copied off an original. Why go through so much trouble to fake the letter? By the time the envelope was open, the damage would already have been done.

[HockeyMom]

74. Actually you are correct

I will not mention the name of the "certain right-wing Christian school" since you did not. I learned how to write in one. My older daughter did too. Our handwriting is so similar we could easily forge each other's signatures.

My younger daughter and my husband both went to public schools and their writing bears no resemblance to ours at all.

Again, you are correct. It has nothing to do with age, but where you first learned penmanship.

[The Backlash Cometh]

84. Is it too much to hope that the FBI has figured this out for themselves?

Agent Mike, I hope you're listening.

[yurbud]

104. that was the child Karl Rove keeps as his gimp, so we can't arrest him

[UpInArms]

3. Here comes the Talibornagain's "funner way to die"

Will they use smaller stones, also?

[0007]

43. What a visionary!

[yurbud]

94. somebody will sell stones with little fish logos

[Erika]

4. You think they might connect Jesus cared for the poor

and was a pacifist?

War is fun? Idiots. They remind me of the twin blonde supremacists misguided girls.

[Erika]

5. Are they cocky enough to think Jesus needs their help?

Probably so.

[Triana]

6. Training for the American Taliban - our own Jihadists....

...wonderful.

:sarcasm:

[lavenderdiva]

13. I thought the same thing, Triana

how very sad...

[Supersedeas]

56. worshipping Dimson - when will Fiscal conservatives wake up to this crap

[The Wielding Truth]

81. Home grown terrorists, directed to what end?

This is so scary:scared:

[Joe Bacon]

7. Very scary

I saw the clips, the kids sound just like members of my brainwashed family :scared:

[Initech]

8. 5 year olds preaching the apocalypse... scarier than any horror movie .

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Megahurtz]

73. LOL Totally!

:crazy:

[StraightDope]

9. But if there was a video of Muslim teens...

Preparing to do battle for Islam or Muhammed, Bush would bomb the shit out of them, and throw the survivors into a gulag in God-knows-where... Somthing to think about.

[crim son]

65. Yeah, no kidding.

Drop by one of the "Pope apologizes" threads where you can see some folks defending his comments because of the Muslim reaction to them. Blood will flow on both sides. Nothing new in that, but it's a liar who claims that the Christian religion is superior in any sense at all.

[treestar]

66. Yep and they'd be all over the MSM

These fundie nutjobs somehow never make it.

[JI7]

10. and worshipping a picture of President Bush

these people are fucked up

[newspeak]

62. Thou shalt have no other gods before me

So, are they now worshipping graven images of our dear overlord?

[Hepburn]

86. Wonder if that picture of Bush they worshipped...

...looked anything like this:



I have heard of some scary things...but WORSHIPPING a picture of the Chimp? OMG....:puke:

[bluestateguy]

11. I think a better title might be American madrassa

nt

[muntrv]

14. AHHHHHH, American Jihad!!

[Renew Deal]

15. Jesus would say WTF?

I can't imagine that this is what Jesus or God wants. Watch these people. They will be the future domestic terrorists. "This means war!" :shrug:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

16. The first openings of the American Madras's

[The Stranger]

17. But only the Muslims are violent, right?

[NJCher]

18. it would be great if countries predominately Muslim

Took such a film and showed it over and over and over and over ad nauseum, just like the American corporate media shows those film clips of "terrists" with their faces covered, training to come and "KILL US!"




Cher

[INDIA]

19. What violent acts have they committed?

Did you read something I missed in the article?

[The Stranger]

48. I must have read many, many things you have missed.

I keep hearing that there is this "war" going on. And it may last decades or centuries. Oh, and it is a bit violent.

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[951-Riverside]

20. A Jihadst would totally own their lilly white retarded asses

*MOMMY!!!* *snip* *chop* *cut* *cut* *cut* Allahu Akbar!

[geek tragedy]

21. Gordon Kahl would be proud. eom

[Akoto]

22. I don't mean to ask a stupid question, but ...

Worshipping a picture of President Bush?

I'm not a Christian, so I may be off here, but doesn't worshipping anybody besides God go against the playbook?

[WCGreen]

26. That is one of the Ten...

Thou Shalt not have false god before me...

And jesus H. Christ, Bush is about as flase as they git...

[TrogL]

70. These people worship the Bible, not God

[kskiska]

23. * will probably welcome them at the White House…

then he can ship them off to Iraq.

[darkism]

24. WHAT THE FUCKIN' HELL?!

Were my first words when reading this. How atrocious. Religion - ANY religion - is the single greatest threat to world peace, progress and the existence of humanity.

For shame.

[BreweryYardRat]

39. No, misuse of organized religion is.

Religion in and of itself is harmless and/or beneficial. Organized religion, however is so easy to misuse and bastardize that it's not worth having.

[Stinky The Clown]

25. How special ... our own Taliban-like madrasas

What's that group that tracks hate organizations?

These motherfuckers will be hunting abortion doctors pretty soon ..... and then gays ..... and then liberals .....

[true_notes]

49. That's a nice cup of eloquence

But I love it sooooooooo much.

GO NAVY
BEAT AIR FORCE

[Judi Lynn]

27. Trailer at the movie site. Very unpleasant.

All the hysteria is abhorrent. They take advantage of children's ignorance, helplessness. It's completely unethical.

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

[NAO]

28. Jesus was the guy that said, "I came NOT to bring peace, but a sword"

Boy, he wasn't kidding.

Just look at history and how it was affected by this guy. Millions were torured, millions were killed in his name.

And for all that, he is still less popular than the Beatles!

Imagine a World Free From Religion (photo)
http://ffrf.org

[newspeak]

63. one could take it that would be the reaction to his message

it's not how Constantine who stated he had a dream of conquering by the sign of the cross. Pacifism is the enemy of those in power. For pacifism brings down those who wish others to kill for their own agenda. The Quakers have been harrassed and even murdered for refusing to pick up a weapon, to kill the ever changing list of enemies. During the Civil War, Quakers were murdered. I believe, the words mean that his messages would cause such bloodshed. And, he was right, it has caused such bloodshed. I do not believe Jesus would have wanted a cross to be an emblem of his message. His death, as so many wanted to focus on, is not what he wanted to be represented, but his life and his message.

[Exiled in America]

79. Your interpretation is more consistent with everything else Jesus said....

Its kind of hard to get all worked up and try to paint jesus out to be some murder endorsing fundie without ignoring the overwhelming ammount of examples of Jesus preaching peace in the clearest terms possible.

Love your enemies... turn the other cheek...blessed are the peacemakers and the merciful, parable of the good samaritan, and on and on and on.

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[Occulus]

57. Maybe you missed it, but

Christians say far worse about people like me all the time. In fact, they actually passed a law in my state (oh and, and eleven others) saying I couldn't get married. They tried to get a law passed in my town- a local ordinance, fortunately shot down- that would have made it impossible for me to even live with someone I cared about by nullifying my ability to enter into any joint contract with anyone of the same sex. Since one of their is running for governor in MI, I'm sure we'll be seeing a statewide version- maybe another amendment!- should he win. They're also trying to get the law they got passed- the marriage amendment- to additionally include (which in context means forbid) joint health benefits provided by private employers, and not just companies contracted with the state. But, I'm a federal employee, which means all that is forbidden me already anyway- again, thanks in large (perhaps operative) part by christians.

Maybe you missed it, but that little cross around their necks means, to me, "I might beat you up or kill you," and no, I'm not engaging in hyperbole here. Thanks to christians- be they real, or false- I can't even hold hands with someone I care about in a public place without fear of being physically attacked. Therefore, I must, for my own person safety and well-being, treat everyone I see wearing a cross or sporting a jesusfish on their car or loudly proclaiming themselves to be a christian as a potential threat to me, personally.

More people need to be made aware of just how very, very miserable christians are making the lives of some people- people like me. For the record, no, I am NOT comfortable in the presence of christians in numbers large or small. In such a situation, I would not feel safe and would most certainly feel under threat. I have little to no respect for the religion as a whole, and particularly the fact that various sects even exist (they can't even make up their minds on an agreed interpretation of their own holy book!); anyone giving money to the religion is promoting an organization which, by and large, would like to see me and people like me wiped off the face of the Earth.

If any of this is offensive or considered insensitive to any christians, guess what? They have the behavior of other christians to thank for that. When they stop making me and people like me into second class citizens, I'll consider- consider- changing my tune.

Oh, and I'm not going to say something needs to be "done" about them- that's what they say about me.

[ninkasi]

59. You are right to be afraid

of the more virulent adherents of sects such as Christian Dominionists, who have stated that the death penalty should apply to homosexuals, and also be used for adulterers, and heretics. I would no doubt be in danger as well, due to my long time friendship with gay couples, and my out-spokenness as a woman.

These people are crazy, they scare the daylight out of me, and they infest the highest levels of our government. The church I attended while growing up was a United Methodist, which preached love, tolerance, and that we are all supposed to love each other regardless of race, sex, national origin, or anything else.

These people are a far cry from the ones I knew growing up. I don't blame you, kgfnally, for feeling the way you do. You deserve the full rights enjoyed by everybody else in the United States. Anything less is second class citizenship, and there is absolutely no reason to keep you from marrying any adult you want to.

The country would be a great deal better off if you, and others like you, could enjoy and participate in life as freely as anybody else. There would be less tension, less hatred, and a great deal more love and friendship. I pray the day will come soon, my friend. In the meantime, we need to keep these dangerous, spiteful people from taking over more of our government.

What difference will it make if we are executed by Christians extremists, or Muslim extrememists, if the result is death? Or if the result is a hell on earth, which is what a country ruled by the far right of any religious faith would create?

[colorado_ufo]

101. Some excellent churches with a heart -

United Methodist Church, United Church of Christ, Unity Church

I'm sure there are others, but these churches preach all the values that Jesus preached and have social conscience, as well.

[knight_of_the_star]

95. You aren't alone

I know plenty of other witches and pagans who have been outright fired for bullshit reasons just because they were pagans of some stripe or another. None of me or my coreligionists can openly acknowledge our faith in a public fashion for fear of reprisals. We've had to deal with protestors at our rites and been harrassed at meetups before, it's ridiculous especially considering we just want to be left in peace and we don't do ANYTHING to them.

[Le Taz Hot]

42. To blatantly plagiarize another DUer:

"So many Christians, so few lions." (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

[MGD]

82. Pretty funny. I guess I offended someone with my comment incidentally.

Sorry about that. I actually have an immense amount of respect for Jesus Christ and I have felt bad all day long about disparaging him with the lion comment. As for the assholes that equate worshipping a picture of George Bush to being a good Christian... well...fuck you.

"Speaking in tongues, weeping for salvation, praying for an end to abortion and worshipping a picture of President Bush -- these are some of the activities at Pastor Becky Fischer's Bible camp in North Dakota"

[Le Taz Hot]

85. The problem is

that these types of people and organizations are increasing in number. One of the posters above sums it up nicely in demostrating what it is like to have to try and live around these people with their hatred of gays or anything not male, protestant and heterosexual. They are working toward establishing a theocracy and the MSM, this administration, the Republicans and way too many Democrats are more than happy to help them do it.

[MGD]

89. No arguments here. I have a definite problem with these people as well.

Unfortunately, these assholes make confrontation inevitable which, IMO, is their whole agenda. I think it has to do with a prophesized "war against the lamb". You see, many of these people are legitimately neurotic and require external "evidence" in the form of realized prophesies to support the neurotic constructions that their lives revolve around. And some are just legitimately assholes. Regardless, their zealotry makes confrontation inevitable. Getting them out of government needs to be a priority. The trick will be making war against them without making war against God/Jesus. Regardless of your religious/philosophical views, for many reasons, it doesn't seem like a good idea to put the Democratic party on the wrong side of a war against Christ.

[krispos42]

30. These kids will not respect the Constitution and that scares me

I have a boss at work and he's old-school conservative. Ex-Army colonel, Vietnam vet, reasonably devout Catholic. I can talk to him about the Constitution, though. He is anti-abortion on a personal level, but his response in regards to outlawing it are "it's not the government's damn business!"

I can deal with that, and in some ways I can actually agree with him on more than one topic. He's somewhat distainful of us "frothing liberals", but he avoids the neocons like the plague, so I just spend my time debunking the "liberal media" myth, which he seems to not have much of an answer for. :-)

These bible-thumping types will take the oath of office, then immediatly vote their own brand of 'christian values' on America.

Can't we impeach Bush simply for violating his oath of office?

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[fooj]

31. "I am the Lord your God. You shall not place fake gods before me."

Isn't that one of the commandments? Worship a picture of Little Lord Pissypants? WTF?

[HuffleClaw]

32. oh my, that is just downright disturbing

really. brrrrrr.

and of course, its not hard to imagine what would happen had those kids been MUSLIM.

[gumby]

33. This Christianist stuff exist at the very highest levels of Our Government

Aside from ALL the Moon connections, read this one:

Jesus Plus Nothing http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html

These gubmit jesus guys luv hitler. It's a "religious thing," don'tcha know?

Ivanwald and the National Day Of Prayer and the Prayer Breakfast have been around for a very long time. Bush was very aware of the horse he rode in on (even though he is afraid of horses).

[Judi Lynn]

34. Accidental discovery: fundie site discussing a local nude beach in Wisc.

They apparently go out there and try to persuade people going there to stay away, and take their photos coming and going.

Page title: Is the Department of Natural Resources a Protector
of Perverts and Child Abusers?
Does anyone in the DNR care about law, morality, and children?

Photos start just below the half-way mark on the page:

http://www.pccmonroe.com/Mazo/protector.htm

[bitchkitty]

41. What a lot of sick minded assholes.

They should be arrested.

[Joanne98]

67. This people are going to get their fucking asses kicked!

I'm so glad Jesus Camp is showing now. Wait till you see the reaction to that film. These people WILL stop attacking people or get attacked back. This is ridiculous. I'd like to know just who in the Hell they think they are anyway!

[OneBlueSky]

37. and this differs from the Taliban how? . . .

"It's an absolute, straight-up us-against-them," Sandler said. "It's, you're either with us or you're against us. … Not only are you a sinner, but you are working for the enemy -- the enemy being Satan."

this is child abuse, pure and simple, promulgated by right-wing Christian fanatics whose mindset is EXACTLY the same as that of Islamic fanatics . . . no difference . . .

[donsu]

47. that's what I say - it's child abuse

nt

[onehandle]

38. Great! Send 'em now. There are lots of soldiers far overdue to come home

Who Want to come home.

Line up Bush voters and their kids. Ship 'em over.

Start with the biggest Bush contributors.

[Joanne98]

68. LOL! That's a great idea.

[BreweryYardRat]

40. Worshipping Bush...

:puke:

Not only do these brainwashed little apes not follow any tenets of Christianity, they bow down to demonspawn.

[ForFuxakes]

44. i am assuming

that the Jesus camp banner is on the website so that we may see what it is about and not as paid advertisment....right? Forgive my ignorance on this if I missed it somewhere else.

[robbibaba]

45. "kids on fire"

I think they mean that literally. This program is run by one of Satan's own minions and they're fast tracking these poor kids for a special place in Hell.

[Locrian]

51. ironic

Isn't that the truth? Ironic that if there really was a Christian god then this really would be SATAN deceiving all these poor kids.

[KittyWampus]

46. Who is funding this 'camp'?

[Joanne98]

69. Follow the money!

[grilled onions]

50. If They Were Truly Fighting For the Cause of Jesus...

Where is the love? The rose petals? Loving ALL people no matter who they are? There should be no room for hate. They should be loving everyone not just the unborn. One would like to think a movie about children at a relgious camp should be dull enough to put one to sleep. It should be cute enough that it wouldn't even need a rating for viewership. The clip that I saw indicates some very disturbed kids,adults that created them to be disturbed and shows a generation of very violent mixed up kids that will go to any extreme for their cause. Isn't it odd they seem to immulate the same mentality of another group that * condemns every day--this same * that they worship in their madhouse camp.

[true_notes]

52. Did anyone reading the article stumble across this?

"This is an enormous youth movement," said Lauren Sandler, a secular, liberal feminist from New York City who spent months among the believers researching her new book, "Righteous."

Correct me if I'm wrong, the context of that paragraph makes Christians look pristine next to a "Secular, liberal, feminist" which most hardcore jesus lickers think are workings of the anti-christ.

[NoodleyAppendage]

54. So, I wonder if anyone here will apologize for attacking Rosie O'Donnell?

Jesus Camp appears to present prima facie evidence that Christian radicals can be just as dangerous as Muslim extremists. The only difference being that some Muslims are not cowards and will actually die for their faith.

J

[nebula]

55. Watching the preview gave me nightmares

The scene of that kid shaking violently on the ground as if possessed by a demon
sent a chill up my spine. It looked like a scene straight out of The Exorcist.

Then again, I have to laugh to find that this kind of thing is still going on in the 21st century. America seems to be rapidly regressing back into the Dark Ages much more quickly than I could have imagined.

[LeftHander]

60. How is this not a terrorist training camp? nt...

[VegasWolf]

61. Children are so easily brainwashed. Turn down the sound, substitute

Jesus with Hitler, and one wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Religion simply exploits the weakness in human nature.

[speedingbullet]

64. Documentary?

Somebody, please tell me this is satire.

[fujiyama]

71. This is really nutty

and sounds an awful lot like the Madrasas that operate all throughout the Middle East and South Asia.

It's funny when that pastor rambles on about Pakistan, because the way she talks, she sounds like she wants to create an American Christian-theocratic version of it.

This is definetely brainwashing...and the sad thing is, it's probably tax exempt.

[Roland99]

72. Don't fight your feelings. Give in to the dark side.

The dark side is more powerful!

[BeHereNow]

75. NOW can we ship them all off to an island?

This is the new Hitler Youth.
We need to send them far, far away now.
Isn't there some island scheduled for global warming
flooding and demise somewhere that they could train on?
When the polar caps are melted away...and the sea level rises,
end of problem!
No more Hitler Youth hate brigades to worry about.

BHN

[Megahurtz]

76. They're Getting Worse!!!

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

Everybody run and take cover! :hide::yoiks:

[Cha]

77. Devil Worshipers..

Anyone who worships the pimp..er, I mean the chimp is worshipping the devil and they're using the name Jesus to hide their true allegiance.

[dback]

78. Rosie O'Donnell got smacked down by Christian conservatives last week...

...because on "The View" she opined that ANY sort of fundamentalist/extreme religion is problematic, and that we in the United States were probably much more in danger from extreme Christianity than from extreme Islam. Elizabeth, of course, was offended by this, as were a bunch of right-wingers. Snort, harrumph harrumph.

I hope Rosie's having a good laugh today, because guess who's doing this doc about the film? Yep, ABC TV. Elizabeth is going to plotz. (How on Earth do sane Christians explain that scene of kids bowing and praying in front of George Bush?) The camp's military rhetoric dovetails perfectly with nutjobs like that guy in this week's Top 10 Conservative Idiots that took out the clinic with his car.

[FujiZ1]

83. Awesome.

Where do I sign up?

[Hepburn]

87. These people are just plain SICK!

Little terrors on rampage in "Jesus Camp"

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Few personality-trait combinations are more obnoxious than narrow-mindedness and condescension -- especially in children.

The compelling documentary "Jesus Camp," which Magnolia Pictures opened in select cities Friday ahead of its New York and L.A. bows September 22, demonstrates how those qualities are being cultivated in a generation of pintsize proselytizers. Beyond their deadly earnestness, these children of the evangelical Christian right are being groomed as soldiers in a self-declared culture war to reclaim America for Christ.

Those who have been born only once might find it easy to laugh off Jesus-themed hip-hop numbers or Adam & Eve Barbie dolls. But filmmakers Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady, who also focused on children in last year's poignant "The Boys of Baraka," provide a fascinating glimpse of kids' role in the evangelical movement's political agenda.

Pastor Becky Fischer granted the filmmakers access to her Kids on Fire summer camp, a 5-year-old program in North Dakota where first-graders to teens are variously entertained, broken down and preached to. Wielding everything from PowerPoint to plush toys to illustrate the wages of sin, the impassioned Fischer has a clear-eyed view of children as malleable material, ripe for the inculcating. When they're not speaking in tongues, pledging allegiance to the Christian flag or blessing a cardboard cutout of George W. Bush, the kids rally round to hear Fischer and others entreat them to "join the war," "fix the sick world" and fight abortion (tiny fetus dolls serve as preachers' aids).

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=filmNews&storyID=2006-09-15T222258Z_01_N15107876_RTRIDST_0_FILM-FILM-JESUS-DC.XML&archived=False

Ummmm.....thoughts of Hitler Youth Groups in 1930's and 40's Germany does come to mind!

:scared:

[Igel]

88. Since people have assumed some sort of

similarity with the Taliban training videos we've all, no doubt, seen, I'll ask a question.

The article doesn't mention a weapon. Not even a rock.

Was violence as a means of fighting mentioned at the camp? Seems like people are feeling as threatened by expressions of zeal and prayer as they are of bombs and guns. As though many didn't read past the title.

[MGD]

90. I don't feel threatened -more like offended

offended by religious zealots worshipping a picture of George W. Bush and somehow equating that with being a good Christian. Forcing that kind of bullshit onto children is reprehesible IMO. I hate these people with every fiber of my being.

Edit spelling

[Miss Chybil]

91. Oh, yes! Woohoo! I've been waiting for this since...

well... Disneyland! I've always dreamed one day I'd wake up and we'd be under the oppression of religious zealots, or, at least, dodging their bullets. Hey, and we can let these people move into our homes, because God said they could, and when we realize we can't do anything about it, we can throw rocks at them and blow up their churches with homemade gas bombs. Oh, and we can train some suiciders of our own! Woohoo! Let the fun begin!

I wonder what color burka we'll have to wear? I do look good in baby blue, but Afghanistan already took that color. I hope it's not white. I look so washed out in white. Oh, what does it matter. Nobody will be able to see me anyway.

[Solly Mack]

92. "Because, excuse me, we have the truth." Indoctrination. Manipulation.

Brainwashing.

"We have the truth" - so you don't. We are better because we have the truth. You don't have the truth so we are better than you. You're different from us. Your difference is a danger to us. You must go.

No different from appeals to prejudice.

No different from any appeal to emotion instead of reason

[yurbud]

93. I've been to Evangelical & charismatic churches and 2 things were odd in

this:

worshipping a photo of Bush

That dance in camouflage fatigue pants and face paint that was something straight out of Lord of the Flies.

This almost looks like Christopher Guest giving the Spinal Tap, Waiting for Guffman treatment to the born again crowd.

[PaDem]

96. they aren't worshipping the photo of Bush..........

they are praying for him.

[yurbud]

99. I wonder if they ever prayed for Clinton...

[PaDem]

100. Now that is a good question...........

would not surprise me in the least if they didn't. And don't get me wrong, the cutout of Bush with the flag behind it is a bit creepy.

[yurbud]

103. somewhere online you can find photos of pro-military service at church

it is pretty fucking creepy, and I used to go to church, so I'm not especially prejudiced toward those people.

[PaDem]

108. I'm and Evangelical Christian..............

and find those sort of displays in Church disturbing as well. I'm fortunate to attend a Church that is not "issue oriented" and that doesn't dabble in politics even a little bit. We have a congregation that is a mixture of republicans and democrats, and nobody makes politics an issue. I'm dismayed that there are so few evangelical churches in America like mine, churches that don't sell God off as a Republican.

[FooFootheSnoo]

97. strange

and scary. I've said it before and I'll say it again (in regards to faith) what ever happened to reverence, humility, charity? I don't see any of that here. It boggles my mind that these kinds of movements are taking hold and growing here. Strange days.

[SKKY]

98. You see, in the grand scheme of this religious war, we've got no chance...

...I mean, who's going to be the more motivated to die for their religion? Someone speaking in tongues and praying for an end to abortion, or someone
on their way to have mad, crazy, rock star-like sex with 72 alabaster-skinned virgins? We're done.

[BlueJackal]

102. The Hitler Youth and Stalin's Youth Bridages come to mind.....nt

[demo dutch]

105. The madness has to stop!! It's the crusades all over again. Religion has

become the evil of humankind

[KansDem]

106. ABC?...ABC?...Now where have I seen these letters before?...Hmmm

Ah, yes! Now I remember. They brought us the "official true" story of 9/11 recently!

[stepnw1f]

109. FBI Should Place This "Hitler Youth" on their Terror list

This is just like the Madrassas that brainwash children into religious fanaticism over in the Middle East. There is no difference.

[BlueJackal]

110. I don't think so

It's not a "Hitler Youth." They're just some harmless nuts running around talking about how they're the only ones going to heaven.

[kimmerspixelated]

111. Oh My GOD!!!!

This is really off the charts craziness! Scary crap folx! And this is just as bad as the terrorists training their kids to want to kill Americans! Same kind of tainted thinking. Bill Maher is right-The religious Right don't think at all; have lost all reasoning.