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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:23 PM
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Court Sides With Student In Bush T-Shirt Flap
http://cbs13.com/national/topstories_story_242230520.ht...

(AP) NEW YORK Vermont schoolboy was within his rights to wear a T-shirt depicting George W. Bush as a chicken and accusing him of being a former alcohol and cocaine abuser, an appeals court ruled.

Zachary Guiles' school violated the First Amendment when it ordered him to cover parts of the shirt, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan said Wednesday.

Guiles was a 13-year-old seventh-grader at Williamstown Middle High School in Williamstown, Vt., in May 2004 when he wore the shirt, which he had bought at an anti-war rally, to classes once a week for two months. Complaints from a fellow student and her mother who had different political views caused school officials to take a closer look.

Although teachers had told the complaining student that the shirt was political speech and protected by the Constitution, the mother complained to a student support specialist, who decided images of drugs and alcohol violated the school's dress code, the appeals court said.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:37 PM
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1. So images of * life are against dress code
They sure got that right. I think images of just about anything he does is offensive.

Actually I think the complainer from the "party of holier than thou" hates the thought of * being an asshole and having it pointed out to her. She bows down to pray at the altar of ass, idolatry at its worst.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:15 AM
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20. the truth about the Prezledent is harmful to our YOUTTTS
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:41 PM
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2. Remove bush from the White House now.
He's a walking poster boy for drugs and alcohol. His face is a violation of decency and decorum.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:57 AM
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18. He is a Chimpanzee
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 09:58 AM by saigon68



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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:44 PM
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3. The reporter had fun with this one
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The appeals court said the school had no right to censor any part of the shirt.

"The pictures are an important part of the political message Guiles wished to convey, accentuating the anti-drug (and anti-Bush) message," the appeals court wrote. "By covering them defendants diluted Guiles's message, blunting its force and impact."

...Guiles is a straight-A student and a talented trombonist with the Vermont Youth Orchestra, which has performed at Carnegie Hall in Manhattan.

The White House had no comment on the ruling or the depiction on Guiles' shirt.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:48 PM
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4. Ahhhh, no wonder...
him's too smart to unnerstand the Presnedent. You needs fayth, not that durn book larnen and musical stuffs.
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:54 PM
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5. this is pretty landmark...because the whim
of a fellow student and a parent who were offended by the message held no water. that bitch of a parent was trying to censor the kid because of his political views. I hope everyone realizes how important this is.

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Luna_Chick Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:56 PM
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8. I agree - landmark indeed
Thankfully this young man, who cannot even legally vote on any issues affecting the future of his generation, has the courage and brains to stand up for the truth. So unlike the many cowards in the MSM and our democratic
"representatives" who sit on their asses waiting for something better to magically happen while their very hypocrisy and inaction contributes to the formation of a corporate theocracy. Yes, even the issue of a t-shirt can be significant, especially considering the current fundie backlash and continuing erosion of our uniquely American freedoms we all speak of on these boards. It is another battle won in a war we hoped wouldn't have to be waged. Well done, Mr. Guiles, and a salute to the courts who actually upheld our endangered Constitution. :patriot:
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:36 AM
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13. Not a landmark -- well-established law
In Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969), the Supreme Court held that students had First Amendment rights. Specifically, the school couldn't constitutionally prohibit students from wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam War.

Tinker is pretty basic to understanding the extent of the powers of school officials over the students. The striking thing about the Vermont story is that the school officials were apparently so ignorant of this point.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:54 AM
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15. Actually, it's not (landmark).
School dress codes routinely fall anytime anyone has the nerve
and wherewithal to challenge them.

This is especially true when the school's dress code is trying
to censor speech that is political, religious, or critical of
the school.

Trust me on this: nearly all dress codes that try to cver those
areas would fall to a legal challenge.

Tesha
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:59 AM
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25. Even gang colors etc???
I think you are mistaken on this. I believe dress codes have been upheld as long as they are uniform. If they say no T-shirts then it doesn't matter what is written on it they can not be worn.. When they say no gang colors or emblems the courts have upheld the school.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:21 PM
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28. I think you'll find that the question of gang colors in public schools...
I think you'll find that the question of gang colors in public schools
hasn't really been litigated yet.

(And note that private schools have more latitude; you agreed to be
member there so you may have agreed to abide by certain restrictions.)

But when it comes to the several forms of speech I outlined (political,
religious, and maybe criticism of the school), there's no doubt that
justice is on the side ofthe kids' free-speech rights.

Tesha
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:58 PM
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6. "Student support specialist"
Is that anything like the SS? Are these the "fat shits" George is always talking about?
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:41 PM
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7. Ya gotta watch out fer them "fat shits"
:rofl:

Good one!

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:49 AM
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9. "Fat Shits" dictators are who we have to look out for
Good call, deminks!
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:00 AM
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22. no, they help students having difficulty in their classes--why a SSS would
get involved with a t-shirt is beyond me to comprehend.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:21 AM
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10. Fucking slime ball ass repugs stopped in their tracks
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 01:22 AM by Downtown Hound
What a cowardly bitch that tried to censor this kid because she disagreed with the content of the message. This is the freedom that these yokels want to bring to Iraq? Gee, how come they're having so many problems?
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:43 AM
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11. Where can someone buy that t-shirt that gets a Repukes panties in a bunch?
I want to buy one...
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:03 PM
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27. Bartcop sells great anti-Bush T-shirts
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:57 PM
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35. here's a picture
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:45 AM
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12. So do all the shirts that say 'Just say no to drugs' not allowed?
It has the word 'drugs' right there on the front. Ooh... that must be bad.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:00 AM
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19. What would they say about this?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 06:49 PM
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33. i don't know...
what they would say. But i say IT'S FUNNY!

Though i gotta ask, is that someone in particular shooting outta his ass?


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:51 PM
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30. It has pictures of coke, razor, martini glass, here is more from article
"The front of the shirt had Bush's name and the words "Chicken-Hawk-In-Chief" beneath it. Below the words was a large picture of the president's head, wearing a helmet, superimposed on the body of a chicken.

To one side of the president on the T-shirt, three lines of cocaine, a razor blade and a straw appear. Elsewhere on the shirt, the president is shown holding a martini glass with an olive in it.

After the school official ordered Guiles to turn the shirt inside out, tape over the shirt's images of drugs and alcohol or change shirts, he returned to school another day with duct tape covering the offending images and "Censored" scrawled on the tape."
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:25 AM
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14. Look what the "freedom-loving" freepers have to say about this
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1692922/posts

Apparently they think the kid's peers should kick the shit out of him and that such an assault should be protected by the justice system.

And no, I guess I'm not at all surprised by that mind-set
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:10 AM
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16. Ever notice that the Freeper mindset always involves violence to others?


It's the 'Stict Father' old testament mindset that also encourages child abuse and spouse abuse. I keep hoping western civilization will outgrow this model, and I keep being disappointed.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:30 AM
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21. such good Christians
"beat thy neighbor".... one of Christ's better known teachings.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:54 AM
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24. Whose ass would Jesus kick? eom
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:39 PM
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29. If I recall correctly, the answer is "businessmen".
John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:20 AM
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17. I don't agree. I believe in the Constitution and freedom but think
that school is not the place for political expression as well as religious expression. There are way to many distractions in school now. Kids are allowed to listen to CD players, drink pop, have cell phones and dress inappropriately sexy. We are having a hard enough time teaching our children w/o these distractions. If this stands, kids tee shirts will become poster boards for political expression. Can a student wear nazi pictures? Schools need dress codes. They don't have to be victorian but reasonable.

Ok flame away.

Peace
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:34 AM
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23. So teenagers, who will soon inherit the deficit, the ME, and
the broken environment should not be allowed to voice their opinions and wishes until they are 18? And do you really think they would stop students from wearing any of the following messages on clothing (not that they should btw):
- Property of Jesus
- Bush Cheney 2004
- Hillary 2006
- FUBU (for us by us)
?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:29 PM
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34. I knew someone would do this. Not at all what I meant. I applaud their
expression of opinions. I encourage it. Butttttt not during school. I don't like uniforms but think students should dress appropriate for learning. Out of school they can do whatever they like with their dress.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:00 PM
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26. School uniforms are better. Teacher Unions agree on that one
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:48 PM
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32. Oh no! Not pop and CD players!
My CD player was the ONLY thing that kept me sane during high school...but only during lunch and study hall, of course. I seriously cannot imagine what school would have been like without it.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:43 PM
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31. Seems to me that depicting Dumbyass as he is
ought to help keep kids from abusing drugs and alcohol.
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