Newsweek: What’s in Howard Dean’s Secret Vermont Files?

[FrenchieCat]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/999347.asp?cp1=1

Dec 8th edition
By Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK

DEAN—WHO HAS BLASTED the Bush administration for excessive secrecy—candidly acknowledged that politics was a major reason for locking up his own files when he left office last January. He told Vermont Public Radio he was putting a 10-year seal on many of his official papers—four years longer than previous Vermont governors—because of “future political considerations... We didn’t want anything embarrassing appearing in the papers at a critical time.”
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Dean’s chief counsel David Rocchio negotiated a sweeping agreement that resulted in about 140 boxes of Dean records containing several hundred thousand pages of documents being locked up for 10 years at a state archive in Middlesex, said Greg Sanford, the state archivist. The sealed papers include Dean’s correspondence with advisers on, among other matters, Vermont’s “civil unions” law and a state agency that critics charged was used to grant tax credits to Dean’s favored firms. Rocchio said the sealing agreement was driven by “legitimate” policy concerns, but also by, he later acknowledged, political factors. “

[Racenut20]

1. Gee, is he afraid of something he said or did???

Did he and Newt holiday in the Island's or something?

[The Zanti Regent]

16. Sissykoff Whores for the GOP again!

I wonder who Sissy Issikoff's new Monica is?

FUCK YOU, ISSIKOFF!

[SharonAnn]

47. What's in Dubya's secret Texas files?

Don't you think we should know that first?

After all, they've been secret for a long time and he's already president (or is he?).

[buff2]

2. Dupe

.

[JNelson6563]

5. Yes, amazingly it is exactly the same as GD's

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=797202&mesg_id=797202

Even more interestingly, it is also by a Clarkie. ;-)

Julie

[FrenchieCat]

17. what did you expect?

After 5 WACO threads yesterday (most started by Deanies) and 5 Nation Smear threads (ditto on who started)...should Clarkies be the Holy and Deanies Holier than thou?

[JNelson6563]

33. I forgot, others determine your actions

tell me dear, who was it that forced you to lay claim to facts you do not seem to have? What horrible Deanie action prompted that?

This "well so-and-so did this so I..." chant so many of you utilize with such regularity is not only childish in manner but tiresomely predictable.

Julie

[FrenchieCat]

39. Well yes.....

I see that it's ok...so I do it too...here's a sample of the same thing posted again and again on Clark...this is the Nation's Article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=23136

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=787090#788529


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=92700#92701

then here's WACO issue:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=790029#790135

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=791098

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=792117#792252

Then I posted this.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=792353

[last1standing]

41. It was absolutely ok to post those threads.

Just like it was ok for you to post this one. If it is an issue that could come out in the campaign, then it should be brought up now. The problem is that it's done with so much relish by you and others, including some Dean supporters.

I'd love to see this much energy going towards getting bush* out of office.

[JNelson6563]

49. You dream

Once the nomination is won many of our currently very active posters are likely to disappear, unless they are to continue with counter-productive behavior under some other cover.

Julie

[Dover]

3. And what did George Bush (then gov.) seal away in his Daddy's

Library? Still wondering about that one too.

[dusty64]

8. And the reagan papers,

the energy papers, 9/11 documents, not to mention chimp's own papers from his time in Texas as well as his "service" records from his time in the national guard and what about the Harken papers? Funny, how all of a sudden the media gives a shit about secrecy. Its only an issue when a Democrat does it. I really do not fault Dean for this, but he ought to turn it around. Tell the media he will release his when chimpy opens up his, wonder what the spin would be then?

[KittyWampus]

18. Unfortunately, Dean Won't Be Able To Ask

Dean has several arrows missing in his quiver and this is one of them.

It isn't a matter of BUSH being unable to bring up Dean's sealed records...

It is that DEAN will be unable to attack Bush.

Dean's arsenal is limited.

The media Teflon will wear off Dean should he got the nod and the mediawhores won't help make the distinctin between what Dean did as Governor and what Bush has done as Governor in Texas & as Prez.

And even if the media somehow managed to get off their knees and try to make the distinction it's important to note that 50% of the voting public went with Bush and are still in denial about his failure.

Bring this subject up to the public's attention and even if the media clarified the difference the public would have the opportunityto wonder What DID Dean have in his record.

[JNelson6563]

4. Ah! There you are!!

Glad to see you up and about busy gathering as many "facts" as you can Frenchie. Even tho' this has all been discussed ad nauseum....

Anyhoo, knowing your love of facts and spreading wisdom, and knowing you'll be checking back to your latest Dean-Haterz effort frequently, I'm thinking this may be a good opportunity to provide you to explain a post I've been trying to get you to address for a couple of days now. It fits the purpose and theme of this current effort of yours so I think it appropriate (surely as appropriate as posting old nonsense rehashed in LBN--the one place usually safe from your brand of posting)...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=788596#788614

There's the forest.....see beyond the trees.....

Handwriting on the wall says.....

Dean has a great chance at the nomination....
lousy chance of winning....

this theory is not made up, but based on facts...

Voters do want to feel safe.....and that's not what Dean is offering.

I and others are more than interested to know these facts you regularly cite when justifying your opinions. I am hoping you may take the time out of your busy fact-gathering/hard data-spreading efforts to share some of those particular "facts" with us here.....

Thanks in advance~~

Julie

[FrenchieCat]

21. Now Julie, I have no problem with you.....

You are very tempered in your postings, and I respect your choice in your approach...but you are not the only Deanie on board....and there are some that are ruthless.

So just because Bush kept secrets, and Cheney kept secrets....Dean keeping secrets doesn't make him right....cause two wrongs don't add up to a right. Consistency is important in my life, and since I didn't like what Bush or what Cheney did......then I don't like what Dean is doing.

You may see it totally differently. I have no problem with that. We all have to reconcile and make consessions in life to get along.

No problem.

[JNelson6563]

31. Facts please

You claim you got 'em. Back up your claim.

Reasonable request, no?

Julie

[FrenchieCat]

37. What are you asking me?

I don't quite get what my response should be. Until today, I have had no beef with you whatsoever. Again I say, listen closely...

There are deanies on this board who post every negative thing about Clark that ever sees the light of day. I defend Clark....

I have been called a whiner by Sliverslink (or whatever), worse by TLM, CWebster, and seventhson. Pruner (who actually is rather mild and nice) posts negative articles on Clark all of the time. I could go on to name a few more.

So why don't I get to do it? Why do you have a problem with me? Should I not be allowed?

Why don't you defend his position, if you see it fit.

But to ding me for posting it is rather defensive and personal.

Either you can argue your case or you can't.

[JNelson6563]

48. I think the position has been defended ad nauseum

and I provided several links to back up my claim.

My request is nothing to do with it. The other day you asserted that the opinion you spew all the time is, well here's the quote:

Dean has a great chance at the nomination....
lousy chance of winning....

this theory is not made up, but based on facts...

I am asking you as simply as I can to provide the facts you refer to in this quote.

I've been asking you since you made this claim to back up this claim. Today is the first you have replied and yet you have still not provided these facts you claim to have.

I guess it's a credibility thing. You whine about all the Clark threads folks put up and claim this is justification for your repeatedly counter-productive threads on issues covered at length and in depth and claim to have facts that back up your opinion of Dean.

I see blame-placing, finger-pointing and evasion of a direct question. Oh and a smidgeon of threat, not having had a problem with me up until today....but apparently these repeated demands for evidence of your claim may change that.

What a surprise.

Julie

[FrenchieCat]

50. You're just frustrated...

I get like that too when DU posters say that Clark's a this, and a that, and a this, and a that, and a this, and a that, and a this, and a that.

So I understand. I't OK. You can take it out on me.

I am strong.....I am woman, hear me roar......

Take Care.....BU-BUY!

[JNelson6563]

51. No displaced aggression here

I am fine, not upset in the least.

You said you have facts to back up your poisonious spew, well I am calling you on that assertion.

Dance all you like, you made the claim and there is no distraction you can contrive that can change that. Now let us see your facts so we can make informed opinions based on evidence, not hate-mongering.

Will be calling you on this until you a.) pony up your "facts" or b.) admit you have no facts and you just loathe Dean.

Your choice.

Julie--who suspects Frenchie may think twice before making such nonsense claims again....

[jlfreund]

59. facts

JNelson6563:
"Dean has a great chance at the nomination....
lousy chance of winning....
I am asking you as simply as I can to provide the facts you refer to in this quote."


I don't think anyone can claim to have facts that prove this assertion until after the election. But it's a pretty good theory based on the evidence.

- The most recent two elected presidential terms were won by a man from AK

- AK was red in 2000, Clark would make it Blue again; and as a native son, he would put up a good fight other in other southern states as well; Dean carries no sway in the south.

- Which red states does Dean claim he can turn? Dean's rhetoric reverberates very well with the base. Personally, I love Dean's rhetoric the best, but for everyone else, I hate to say it -- I really do -- but to them, it sounds shrill. Do NOT misunderestimate the moron-American vote! The swing voters go for style over substance. And Karl is so ready to replay the 2000 election. To mainstream America, Dean will go down as the shrill, uptight hater who will give the mainstream media headaches with all his negative talk about the "important issues", while frat boy king will coast through the re-election campaign untouched as the likeable charming guy who most reporters would love to sit down and have a beer with.

- Clark's military record will lay to rest any hope Karl has of hanging his hat on Bush's "relentless persecution of the war on terra".

- I'm not a great judge of masculine aesthetics, but I hear the chicks dig him. Ask yourself: at your highschool, how would the short neck man do in a popularity contest against dubbya? Geez, aren't I a mean, shallow, man? Don't kid yourself: charisma has been a great predictor in recent presidential elections.

Yes, I'm aware of Clark's fumbles, but more importantly, I think Clark has that "complete package" image, and his weaknesses are less of a liability than Dean's "hot headed" persona that will color every crayon scribbling review of Dean's campaign in mainstream media.

Jason

[JNelson6563]

60. Not so sure I'm going to run with a theory

with someone who misses the point of a discussion:

I don't think anyone can claim to have facts that prove this assertion until after the election. But it's a pretty good theory based on the evidence.

haha "Pretty good theory"??? I always think theories I agree with are prettty good too.

The fact of the matter remains, Frenchie claims to have these facts you assert no one can claim to have. I simply ask that she backup her assertion.

It's a theory I like to entertain. I call it "put up or shut up".

Julie

[jlfreund]

64. whahuh?

Missed the point?? I precisely addressed Frenchie's theory with a handful of what I think are pretty good arguments. Go ahead and get caught up in semantics, and feel free to ignore every one of my arguments, but don't come calling for help when Karl goes down to Walmart and buys a giant bucket, paints the word "shrill" on it, and throws all the Dean supporters into it -- because I guarantee you this: Dean V Bush will be about that label and Karl has the media and the resources to make it stick.

-Jason

[JNelson6563]

67. It is a matter of backing up one's

assertions. I am well aware of what Clark supporters think about Dean's electability. As you know, they are opinions, theories, arguments, whatever.

Frenchie has made the claim that while yes, these are all her opinions but (read carefully here) she has facts to back them up. You know this is bullshit and so do I and so does everyone else. It's high time people learned that if you make obnoxious and untrue claims you will be called to account.

Credibility. It's a good thing.

Julie

[slinkerwink]

54. :drinks a glass of red whine:

:evilgrin:

[Rose Siding]

6. Dean mentioned this in an interview last week

snip>
Dean defended the sealing of records during his five terms as governor.

“There are some things under law that every governor in every state in the country seals,” he said.

Asked what they were, Dean answered: “I don’t honestly know, but I can guess. Pardons, personal letters somebody wrote in to me and say ‘I have HIV/AIDS,’ I really don’t know.”

Dean insisted he played no role in what stayed private and what did not.

“I had very little to do with it. What gets sealed and doesn’t get sealed is a matter of state law. There’s not much flexibility on that. We never went through letters to see if this gets sealed and that doesn’t get sealed,” he recalled.

http://nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=25&SubSectionID=354&ArticleID=94054

Is this Newsweek article just more of the media showering heaps of praise on their unexamined choice, Dean? Strange way to show their adoration.

[leetrisck]

7. Because he wanted to seal them - if it's okay for the idiot

in the White House to seal his records along with everyone else's, then it's fine with me than Dean did also.

[candy331]

10. Of course

this is to be expected and this little tidbit is just the tip of the iceberg of things that will be hurled to cast Dean and any Democrat in opposition to Bush in a negative light. Only a fighter who can take the issue and turn it around on the repug party will even have a remote chance of winning. To repeat a "dead horse expression" Bushlite will not win.

[loyalsister]

44. Do you really believe

that Democrats are planning to bank on Bushes secrecy to win the election? I really hope not!! There are a few larger issues to look at.

[phirili]

9. Dean has skeletons in his closets. Other Dems can't lock records

to even the playing field. That Dean has the temerity to challenge other candidates on secrecy is consistent with his criticism of candidates who supported the Iraq war resolution while Dean supported the Biden-Lugar unilateral Iraq war resolution, Dean's behaviour amounts to rank hypocrisy.

[w4rma]

11. The guys in Congress (and the guy who was in charge of the NED)

have not opened their records, either. Double standard?

[phirili]

12. Where is the proof?

[Scott Lee]

28. You want to elect a President, or Jesus Christ?

Get with it. You talk as if Dean has done something that no candidate ever running for office has ever done before. Would you rather that KKKarl Rove and his goon squad get ahold of every scrap from Dean's papers to bog down the Dem nominee? I'd be willing to bet that's not what you want for any candidate facing Bush*.

Howard Dean made a very wise political move by restricting any potential ammunition that could be used against him. I am sure this angers and confuses the rank and file Dems, because it's the kind of thing candidates do to actually win an election for a change.

[last1standing]

13. I'm a Dean supporter who says this is fair game.

I know Frenchie4Clark is just stirring up the hate, as usual, but if its fact, it should be looked at and even rehashed until there's nothing left to go through. I think Frenchie here is doing Dean a favor. Let's get it all out and move through it.

And it's funny how I keep hearing that Dean supporters are so anger driven when it's those who hate Dean so much that keep stirring up the pot.

[KittyWampus]

19. Recognizing Where Dean Is Unable To Attack Bush Isn't Hate

Don't we want the strongest possible candidate against Bush? Someone who can attack on as many issues as possible?

Seeing that Dean would be vulnerable if he brought up Bush's sealed records is important.

Other arrows missing from Dean's quiver:

No military experience to counter Bush as COC
No Foreign Policy Experince so he can't lambast Bush for being dependent on his advisors.

[Scott Lee]

29. Military, foreign policy are no brickbats the Chimp can use

I wholeheartedly wish President War would bring up those issues that you believe he can use against a dem candidate. Let's see, what were they? Oh yes:

Miltary experience as COC. Iraq war mess, ever rising death toll on not only Americans but now military and civilian nationals from outside of Iraq, Taliban gaining power again in Afghanistan, donkey cart missile batteries putting troops from a 400 billion dollar funded military under seige. Sorry but I don't think you can necessarily call him a McArthur here.

Foreign Policy. Near total alienation of the international community in his unilateral drive for war on Iraq, damage to integrity of UN, incalculable damage to future US-International relations, "Gee, you have Blacks here, too?" to President of Brazil, referring to Africa as a "country", inability to converse even badly in another language (his Spanish is beyond ugly), isolationist, supremist jingo approach to dealing with neighbors and general indifference to world affairs.

Oh yeah. PLEASE let the DimBulb bring on those issues to Howard Dean.

[last1standing]

35. I said it was fair game, and so are your other points.

But my post was also saying that Frenchie4Clark contributes nothing but negative posts about Dean in this forum and General Discussion. I'm all for sifting through ALL of our candidates to see who can best stand up under the stress, but Frenchie slants everything so that it's very hard to take him/her seriously.

As for your other two points, while they are valid, I think we also have to look at the fact that no candidate from either party has gone on to win the presidency straight from either house of congress since Kennedy. And no General has won since Eisenhower. However, govenors have won several times. Now, as govenors rarely have much foreign policy experience and even during the Cold War only one General has won, I think those arguements, while valid, can be negated by those who look at this historically.

When I look at the upcoming election, I think it will be the candidate who can motivate people to vote and volunteer who will win. In my eyes, Dean has been the most successful at doing that.

I'm sure you see things differently, but that's why we have a primary. I say dig up anything you can on any candidate and let's see who can manage to not get buried, but let's try to stay away from the obvious bashing that has been going on here.

[sendero]

56. and pray tell who *is* this..

... perfect candidate who has a perfect mistake-free past who can take the high road on every issue and dazzle the world with his perfection?

Come on, I want to hear it just so I can laugh.

[FrenchieCat]

23. You know

I don't hate anybody.....but Bush!

It's too bad when I have to defend against my candidate being a republican, a war criminal, the WACO nut, a militarist, etc.....and I have to this constantly.....

I'ts ok if deanies started. I mean after all, we are in Dean Land, right?

When I do it, it's hate. Wow, now I guess that making issues real to deanies is pure hate...but with Clark, Deanies are justified?

Sounds like a double standard. Sounds like something Bush supporters would do.

Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful! Don't hate Clark cause he's a threat to a Dean loss in the general election.

[last1standing]

25. That post alone shows how much anger and hate is there.

I've said the same thing to Dean supporters who have attacked Clark, Kerry and Edwards so the double standard thing is out. And since you've decided to compare "Deanies" to bush* supporters, I have the right to call you and those like you, whether for Clark, Kerry, Edwards, or Dean, hatemongers who have no idea how to post a positive remark for a fellow Democrat. Are you sure you are a Democrat? You haven't been acting like one.

How does it feel to have nonsense thrown at you? Actually, I don't mean the Democrat remarks, but I would like to see something more positive coming from some of the people here.

[Scott Lee]

32. The real danger will come at nomination time

All of the rancor being built up by the haters in all camps (and I speak mostly to the antiDeans as they are clearly the most obsessive and vociferous) poses a very real threat to support of the Dem nominee when that happens. So much "bad blood", so many rivalry-inspired flameouts might have transpired by then that it could result in half hearted or nonexistent support for whoever the nominee is at that time.

I'm really torn by this. On the one hand I love to see the nerve, the fight come out of Democrats again in what seemed like a prolongued political coma of theirs. On the other hand, it looks more and more like an AK-47 on full auto, pointed directly back at ourselves.

[last1standing]

36. I agree.

But I have to say that Dean supporters have looked pretty bad in this, too. I think so many "Deanies" jumped on the wagon early on, that when the "Clarkies" started finding their way here, it caused an all out war, almost like they thought it was an invasion. Since then there's so much bashing and hatemongering that it's almost too much to bear. And of course, AP and blm have been trying to get their digs in as well even though they support Edwards and Kerry respectively.

I support Dean for the things he has done and the passion he projects, not for the lack of ability in others.

[neverforget]

40. Don't let the Dean supporters get you down! Keep on defending

what/who you believe in!

[last1standing]

42. Defending Clark is good. Bashing other candidates is the problem.

n/t

[TomNickell]

14. The General Election....

Hey GUYS!

There is going to be a general election in just under a year. I can -guarantee- that the Bushies will pull out any dirt they can find on the Democratic nominee. And make some up, too.

There -needs- to be a vigorous Democratic contest so that we know that the eventual nominee will be able to stand the heat that will come.

It is reasonable for a Governor to keep some files private. The relevant questions are:
Is there more stuff private than seems reasonable? And, can Dean handle the questions effectively?

[mbperrin]

22. I will vote for Satan in his full aspect of tail and cloven hoofs

over GW in the general election.

Now, the real question is, will there be a general election if the Bushies feel things are too tight?

Not being nutty, I want you to take a careful thought as to strategy if the elections are "delayed" for national security reasons.

[Scott Lee]

34. I don't believe that even this fascistic bunch would try to douse

a major presidential election. I know this has been floated here as a real possibility but I'm not convinced they even dare mess with that one.

[brook]

15. Ah, yes...

Michael Isikoff...he of Lucianne and Linda fame. A man of questionable integrity, more inclined to make an issue out of a tissue of lies, than to present a straight forward story based on solid fact. If he'd dug a little deeper, perhaps he would have discovered that many papers are withheld legitimately as a matter of protocol. And then there's the Reagan and BushCo padlocked piles. Isikoff might have drawn comparisons there, no? But then...he'd have to forego salacious and sanctimonious, ( and maybe the 'spoon-fed') wouldn't he? Much easier to pawn off this tacky little hit piece.

[Nashyra]

26. Frenchie has every right to post this

and it is fair game because it will be brought up in the general election if Dean is the candidate, those are facts. What we as Democrats have to do regardless of who our chosen candidate is, is to figure out how to counter this, do we use the same line * did, it worked, or say shall we use the "you show us yours and we'll show you ours", * releases his as Govenor and Dean releases his and let the voters decide, but by no means should we be doing Rove's job for him. If an item is reported in the press it is fair game here to refute or verify that is not to say it is ok to flame bait, we are here to root for our own candidates but still look past the primaries and get the Dem candidate elected. I have picked Clark as my candidate because of what I think are some very good reasons, for me the most important being that the "draft" would effect my son who is now 18 and a college freshman. If there are no college deferments he's toast and worse he is agreeable, he is on a military science scholarship but I would hope that he could enter the miliatery as an officer and I think that Clark would be the one to know how to avoid reinstating the draft because of his extensive diplomatic and foreign policy experience, I am entitled to my opinions which I feel that I have researched, but this does not mean that Dean supporters are wrong about their own researched opinions of their candidate nor any other candidates supporters. We want Dems, swing, moderate and moderate Repus to vote for our candidate who ever it is to beat the * in the general elections. I have respect for all that are running and will continue to post positive accounts of my choice but will not hammer any candidate but will try to help find a positive approach to any negatives that come out about any of them.

[nuxvomica]

20. It's probably good to deal with this now

I don't want Dean to be the nominee but if he is, I don't want this to hobble his campaign. A clear distinction should be drawn between what Dean is hiding and what Bush is. Dean's papers probably contain a lot of stuff that should be kept secret for the sake of third parties. The politically volatile "secrets" probably speak more to his image as a progressive rather than something actually unethical. I expect Reagan's and Bush's and Bush's secrets probably don't harm their image as right-wing fascists but are more likely acts of graft, legal obstruction and treason.

[VolcanoJen]

24. This is definitely rehashed news...

... but since Newsweek chose to rehash old news by including it in their latest edition, the article does qualify for posting in the Latest Breaking News Forum.

Just wanted to clear that up. :-)

VolcanoJen
DU Moderator

[pasadenaboy]

27. I wish they'd spend more time on the actual president's secret files

that are current.

Energy task force, 9/11 commission, secret prisoners, etc.

I guess Deans papers while he was governor of Vermont are more important to the nation. God, I wish the people in the press would do their jobs.

[truthisfreedom]

30. at least Dean didn't have his driver's license purged like gwbushco did

with everyone in texas.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Word of warning...Isikoff reported on quite a few stories while Clinton..

...was beseiged, and very, very few of them were even on the same continent as the word "truth". His closeness to people back then like Linda Tripp and Lucianne Goldberg should be pause for concern.

Take this story for what it's worth, and then flush twice.

[unfrigginreal]

43. You might want to tune in to FOX, it's breaking news there too!

How are we gonna' stop these right-wingers from propping up Dean?:shrug:

[Oreegone]

45. We would have them leave him alone if he was Losing

I think he did the right thing by sealing his files. Lots of other people have and for good reason. Have you all forgotten what kind of people are in power? Ruthless, every little thing will be picked over because they don't want to lose and they don't care how they do it.

If Dean wasn't in the lead then Faux News would be reporting something on someone else.

[goforit]

46. Boycott Newsweek!!!

Fascist propagandists!!!!

[Triana]

52. Ohhh there goes the Repuke Smear Machine...

They cannot fight Howard Dean on his policies vs theirs, on the issues, or his record vs their record, so they try to smear him personally.

Same ol, same ol. It's the usual Republikkkan M.O. That elephant only knows ONE trick, doesn't it?

[UTUSN]

53. What's in Shrub's & CHENEEs Very Secret Records, EH???

[Sideways]

66. YES. That's It. Folks Do Hear This?

Cheney is now in deep do do and he is asking the Supreme Court to help him out but we are assing in and about over Deans record?

Oh my Gawd folks cut this little bulshit out. There is a much bigger pie we need to look into.

You folks that are hell bent on destroying each others candidates need to step back and look at fucking BUSH.

This little pathetic turd is our target.

WTF do I feel like I am talking to my 2 year old?

[coralrf]

55. I doubt this is true...

“future political considerations... We didn’t want anything embarrassing appearing in the papers at a critical time.”
as the article says but carefully avoids directly attributing it to Dean.

Do you think the man said that?

That is a canned remark intended to be comprehensible by the very stupid. The very very stupid.

The author of this canard had best contact Rove. Such shit is to be aimed at Clark and Kerry not Dean as Rove wants Dean to be the man. He said so.

I am no Deanie but I do think this a load of GOP/RNC shit.

[RetroLounge]

57. Michael Isikoff?

You might want to look up Drudge too. Lots of negative Dean stuff you can use to bash.

Are you gonna quote Rush next? Hannity?

Your sources say a lot about you...

[tlb]

58. If it's ok for Dean, it has to be ok for Bush.

If it's indefensible for Bush, it has to be indefensible for Dean.


Some intellectual consistency please ?

[SoCalDem]

61. WRONG headline, guys.. "What's in CHENEY'S Energy papers?"

THAT'S the headline the country NEEDS to see.. A guy who was governor for as many years as Dean was, is bound to have some "odd" papers in the bunch.. Why should HE be required to provide the vultures with ammo to shoot back at him.. // As long as it's not illegal, I say keep them sealed..

Arnold promised to "clear things up" AFTER the election...To date he has not said a word..

Dems need to quit being willing accomplices to their own demise...

[JNelson6563]

63. but, but, but....

Asking about Cheney doesn't focus on Dean! If we don't focus on Dean and squander our resources going after Team Bush and the neo-con fascists how can we bash Dean successfully???

SoCalDem, I couldn't agree with you more. Why oh why are Dems our own worst enemy??

Julie

[KansDem]

62. "000000005"

This is the driver’s license number given George W. Bush in 1995:

Now why would George Dubya require a Texas driver's license with an entirely new number? It was obtained on March 31, 1995, as was his wife's Laura Welch Bush's. His wife and daughters didn't need new numbers, nor did his famous parents -- former president and first lady, George H. and Barbara Pierce Bush -- who all would seem to be at as much risk security-wise. And by the way, doesn't Texas require renewal of a driver's license every four years on one's birthday? Did George Dubya have something in his past to hide to cause him to purge the old record and number? This seems especially confusing since his birthday is July 6, 1946, but he obtained his new number on March 31, 1995 as a renewal.

Due to this little anomaly, we thought perhaps we should check to see if this was a common practice for former governors of Texas, but no, they were not listed among the first four numbers previous to Dubya's. Now, in all fairness to Dubya we must ask why he would get a new number and not just assume it was to hide something in his past life. And why would he be given the nine-digit DL number 000000005? His wife's DL number is 005295107.

Is it at all possible it is innocent? Of course, but if Bill Clinton had done this we would all be hearing about some misdeed he was covering up.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/Redux/redux.html

I don’t recall the media taking such an interest in Bush’s records as they are appearing to do with Dean’s records. Perhaps Mr. Isikoff can explain why?????

[Zolok]

65. Nothing except old copies of

"Richie Rich" comics....this is his diresome secret. What is worse they are issues he borrowed from George Bush Jr back in their National Governor's Conference days.
:)
I can't imagine there is anything of interest in said files, and I don't even like the guy.


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