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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:09 AM
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Shooting Suspect Was Baptized (A Troubled Man)
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Stunned and saddened by the news, some of Haq's acquaintances recounted many of what they saw as the contradictions of his life.

He held a degree in electrical engineering and was the son of a successful engineer, yet he couldn't keep a regular job. He was smart, creative and skilled as a writer. He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship.

Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship. He told friends he felt alienated from his own family, in part because his career had disappointed his father and also because he had disavowed Islam last year, converting to Christianity.

Haq had begun studying the Bible, attending weekly men's spiritual group meetings, only to stop coming a few months after his baptism.

He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:16 AM
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1. "Haq talked about suffering from bi-polar disorder"
Haq likely was non-compliant with his schedule of medications, and may have had a long history of non-compliance, too....if he was getting any medical care at all.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:27 AM
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2. So the shooter was a Christian after all!
It is a no-no in Islam to abandon it for some other religion. In places like Afghanistan, Haq would have been executed for converting to Christianity.

He said it seemed odd that someone with a degree in engineering had taken an unskilled job. It seemed to him that Haq had trouble keeping steady employment and that he often lacked focus in his career.


It is beginning to look like bipolar disorder...

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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:49 AM
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3. Yeah, I Wondered Why He Didn't Kill Himself
if he is such a fanatical Muslim. I don't know if this individual would have ended up attacking Jews anyways, but it is unfortunate that the situation in Lebanon provided the pretext for this disaster, just like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is fueling much of the anti-Semitism among the Muslim immigrants in Europe.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:54 AM
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4. Christian groups often pray upon the mentally ill
Their television recruitment commercials often begin like ads for Prozac. "Are you sad? Confused? Do you often cry and don't know why? Do you feel like you might be vulnerable and easily manipulated? The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter day Saints Wants You!" And then there are the magazines at the supermarket literature rack that ask, "Desperato?"

"Si! I'm Desperate! Help Me! Tell me what I need to do! Anyone!"

I don't know if Islamic groups work the same way, because I don't know how to spell "Desperate" in Farsi or Arabic.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:02 AM
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5. In two days, we've had two men deeply troubled by religion, in the news--
this man, and a troubled, drunken Mel Gibson, spewing "fuck you's" all around, in honor of his anti-semitic father and the thousand lashes of the Christ. We've also seen a terrible religious/tribal war break out in the Middle East, and yet more horror in the on-going intra-religious/tribal war in Iraq, both instigated by our own government, which is led by a religion-crazed president. (And if you don't think the Bush junta is behind Israel's attack on Lebanon, you need to read the "Project for a New American Century.")

It's time we re-invigorated the principles of securalism, and banished all talk of religion from our political life, except to anathematize any and all instances of mixing government and religion.

It is also time for the three religions that are inspiring men to kill each other--and to kill children, women and the elderly--to abandon their obsession with a Father God, and start thinking about and honoring God the Mother.

I am revolted when I see gaggles of Roman Catholic priests, and Cardinals in their swishy robes, gathered in meetings to talk about my sexuality. I am revolted when I see some stunted little godling old man, dressed in lace and satin like a king, performing his voodoo at an altar that I am excluded from because I am a woman--especially when all the women in the parish are doing all the work. I am revolted at pasty-faced, white, male Protestant preachers, bursting with hatred of women, hated of gays, hatred of brown immigrants, hatred of blacks, hatred of "liberals," and hatred of the very society that gives them the freedom to say what they damn please, thumping their Bibles and masturbating over their collection plates. I am revolted when I see mobs of Arab men on their knees sticking their butts up in the air for Allah, at Mecca--men whose only dignity in this world seems to come from thinking themselves superior to their wives. I am revolted that Jewish women have to stand in a separate line at the Wailing Wall, and at Jewish men's obsession with cutting their baby sons' penises. I have had it with worship of the manly qualities of killing and torturing on a massive scale, and devising diabolical mass killing weapons of a kind even the Devil couldn't dream up--and having all of this inspired by the same, three-in-one, God Is A Prick religion.

I think all three religions should be banished from our sight, and all their property confiscated--and if they want to keep it up, they can keep it in caves, where they can bash each other over the heads with crucifixes and menorahs and strangle each other with turbans.

Women of the World, Unite! Let's stop this madness! Let's end Christianity, Judaism and Islam NOW!

But first we have to throw their goddamned Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor'--in honor of the men who knew what to do with state religion!

Boycott their machines! Vote Absentee!
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:14 AM
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6. Who ever you are ...you express the anger I feel about
men and religion and power used to harm. You expressed it perfectly!
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:52 AM
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12. Bravo!
I wish I could nominate your post. :)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:38 AM
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13. I'm going to go out on a limb here, one of those knee-jerk observations.
Maybe we have troubled men looking for answers in religion, but religion is no longer offering a safe, serene place where people can find peace or a place where lonely people can connect with other people who just want peace. Religion is forcing people to take sides. What it is doing is just the opposite of what it's suppose to. It's not providing answers, just adding to the problems.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:58 PM
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14. I think that is the case. My brother has bi-polar and in his search
for peace he moved south for a while. He became mixed up with several fundie religions and they had him terrified and angry at the same time. He is back up north now and while he still is confused at least there is no corrupt religion pushing him further over the brink or convincing him that he should not take his meds. When someone is confused it is easy to manipulate them to violence.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:55 AM
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16. A five star post. Thank you!
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 02:06 AM
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7. U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship. He took that seriously.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:01 AM
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8. So he was actually a Christian
That's a new twist. I guess all the "murderous Muslims" posts will have to be replaced with "murderous Christians" posts.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:21 AM
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9. Any minute I'm going to get the emial from my conspiracy theorist
friend who will insist the gov took this man, brain washed him, and had him do their will, on hearing a code word.

Just like she explained to me how the old guy who ran down the people at the super market in california was, a few years ago. The whole - he didn't have a track record thing always gets the conspiricists going.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:21 AM
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10. Any minute I'm going to get the emial from my conspiracy theorist
friend who will insist the gov took this man, brain washed him, and had him do their will, on hearing a code word.

Just like she explained to me how the old guy who ran down the people at the super market in california was, a few years ago. The whole - he didn't have a track record thing always gets the conspiricists going.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:28 AM
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11. Religion 24/7
I'm sick and tired of having religion shoved down my throat. I only have basic cable and there are probably no less than 10 religious channels. Everywhere you go another church of the something or other has sprouted up on a street corner. Just how many churches do you need? Last week there was a grisly murder committed in a town near me. The young wife and stepson were stabbed to death and the 10 yo boy was beaten with a 2X4. The fundie husband ran out to the lawn and proclaimed that they were with God, they were now better off. If you ask me he will be soon be arrested for murdering his wife and child. There seems to be a rash of mercy killings lately committed in the name of God. Mostly women killing their children(Andrea Yates). This is getting as bad as the devil they are always going on about.Then the Pope sticks his nose in matters which don't concern him. Let him preach to the Catholic's, of which I am one, instead of jumping on the religious bandwagon in Washington. The Pope's jump to politics(pro life) angers me as he is siding with an insane religious bunch of nuts who start wars everywhere they go. I believe money has changed hands here, money that could help with hunger and medical care for the poor. The * don't do nothing for free. If I am wrong then I will be the first to admit it, but I think I'm right on the mark here. Thanks for allowing me to rant.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:32 AM
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15. Kick
:kick:
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