Bush, at Home Among The Well-Heeled in Texas (Scary GOP Behavior)

[Khephra]

I try not to comment before stories, but in this case I have to do so. Here's what we're facing fellow DUers, the Bush supporter:

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And fluttering like butterflies amid all this practiced efficiency on Friday afternoon are hundreds of Mary Kay Cosmetics conventioneers, who, it turns out, have taken over the hotel for most of the month. The ladies are everywhere, peppy, pretty and very pink -- pink being the signature Mary Kay color -- and they are delighted that their president is visiting. "We wanna know something," demands Nancy Brock of Alabama. "Is there ever a bad-looking Secret Service agent?" She giggles, and so do her mother, Caroline Sagunsky of Oregon, and her sister, Emily Sims of Florida. The trio have just stepped through the hotel doors after posing for a picture in front of the backup presidential limo, a popular photo op throughout the afternoon, with its Presidential Seal on the door and its gold-fringed flags on the hood.

The three would prefer to see the man and not just his car. They love him. Voted for him last time, can't wait to do it again, and "have you ever had a facial?"


Yes, once, it was wonderful, but here's a question: Are they concerned the administration might have emphasized false intelligence to build a case for the war against Iraq?

"I don't care about it at all," says Sims, while her mother and sister nod in agreement, "because we don't know anything about this intelligence. We can't know, as ordinary citizens, and we don't want to know -- it's scary -- and that's why we have leaders, and they worry about that for us. I trust him to lead. I trust that he's doing good things in the Oval Office and not bad things, if you know what I mean.

"And I love that he's a Christian man."

MORE.......................

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17396-2003Jul19.html

[searchingforlight]

1. It makes me want to throw up.

Texas is full of Stepford women.

[Ilsa]

6. The ones in the article are from out of state, not TX n/t

n/t

[matt819]

14. And this makes it okay?

Granted, I have as much fun as the next guy knocking Texas and Texans. (Having lived there for some time, I think I earned that right.) But that's not really the point here. These are the repub voters that Rove and co. are appealing to. You can be damn sure that the words they use in their speeches to this crowd don't consist of much more than one or two syllables, and the issues are black and white. Pesky Eye-rackees vs. proud, brave, fierce 'Murrhkan soldiers. Brutal foreign tyrants vs. brave Christian leaders.

Scary doesn't begin to describe what this nation is up against.

[lastliberalintexas]

61. No it doesn't

But I don't think that s/he intended to mean that it was okey dokey since they weren't from Texas. But the first poster made an unecessary and inaccurate (in this case) slam againt Texas, so I think s/he was simply pointing out the error.

"Scary doesn't begin to describe what this nation is up against." No doubt. A friend of my mother's, who is otherwise an intelligent person, truly believes/knows that Shrub was sent to mankind to fulfill the promises to the Jewish people and "restore" the Middle East. I don't even have the foggiest what the heck he he means by that.

And this is a fairly intelligent person- but he gets his "news" from the US media, listens to his SBC preacher tell him that he's evil if he votes for a Dem, and goes blithely through life never using even that 10% of his brain. The fall of our Empire isn't going to be pretty, but I guess we are getting what we deserve. Collectively anyway. I am sure there were intelligent, aware and informed individuals who were opposed to the Roman powers as well.

[Duvenoy]

2. To the sea, my fellow lemmings!

To the sea!

doov

[goforit]

52. Yep, jump off when he says jump!....LOL!!!

:bounce:

[Fridays Child]

3. My next Tshirt slogan...

Kill Mary Kay

[Sideways]

11. LMAO Mary Pat

Make sure the Tee is PINK! BTW I WANT ONE!

[muchacho]

13. Uh

She's already dead. About two years ago.

[maxanne]

31. bring her back

we'll kill her again.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

50. Dig the Zappa icon, muchacho. A truly great American and Human.

He taught me about the Nazi-fication of corporate culture and American politics when I was 12 years old and my eyes have been open ever since. I'm going to go listen to his guitar solo in a piece called 'Orrin Hatch on Skiis' and then 'Reagan at Bitburg.'

[DBoon]

58. Try "Trouble Coming Every Day"

and "Hungry Freaks Daddy" from his first album "Freak Out"

[LifeDuringWartime]

70. freak out is an awesome album

didnt realize it was his first, though

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Don't worry

It takes these gals so long just to put on their makeup, they rarely make it out the door, on election day, in time to vote.

[LizW]

17. Better worry

These people DO vote, and they do it in droves.

This article is very depressing and scary to me. We may make fun of these people and call them charicatures, but these are the people who vote and buy those $2000 hot dogs by the hundreds. They actually DO vote on single issues, like opposition to abortion rights, support of school prayer, and, of course, promises of lower taxes.

You can't write them off as stupid and shallow people, either. I have met Nancy Brock through a mutual friend and she is no idiot. Scary hair and make-up? Yes. Totally immersed in the bizarre "beauty culture", yes, but also, she is a self-employed businesswoman who I'll bet makes $150,000+ a year.

It is hilarious to make fun of these people, but we write them off as a political force at our peril.

[leesa]

60. Being successful in business does not always equate with intelligence

It's usually cunning smarts or a willingness to be a little or very corrupt. Clearly, if she mirrors this kind of non-thought, she cannot be intelligent.

[LizW]

76. I don't think I made that generalization

I was talking about one person who I have met and had several conversations with. But that was not the main point of my post, anyway. It was that we do our cause no service by feeling ourselves to be intellectually or morally superior to them, even if we find their remarks about Bush to be idiotic.

My point, and maybe I didn't make it very clearly, is that we can't afford to let ourselves believe that these people are too stupid or inane to worry about voting. They DO vote, and we have to realize that, and act accordingly to convince smarter and better informed people to vote in greater numbers.

[Ilsa]

5. All I can say to them is,

"Baaaaaaaa!" Besides, the Sims women were from Florida, not Texas.

BTW, NOT ALL women in Texas are Stepfords. Some of us have an independence streak strong enough to impress Sam Houston.

[koopie57]

54. I have to agree with you there...

a couple weeks ago on c-span there were a group of Texans and I'm not sure what the actual topic was, but at the end there were comments and questions regarding redistricting. Several Texas women spoke and I was impressed and pleasantly surprised at how elegantly they spoke and carried themselves and how intelligently they presented their opinions. They did seem strong and confident. The men sitting next to them seemed very proud of their wives also.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Ok here is a curios thing

We were told that Dubya was going to
collect 200 m for the war chest.

Well DUers get out your calculators, in two
months he has gathered 41.3 m, the primaries are
five months away...

Giving the kid the benefit of the doubt... given current
trends with a litle wiggle room, that is 150 M.

Oh and 7 m in texas, his home state, ain't that
impressive.

In other words, the kid is not doing that well.

Do you think Rove is getting just a tad worried?

Also his reelect numbers are now officially in an
aparent nose dive.

[Shipwack]

26. We can't start dancing yet... :)

nadinbrzezinski said
>We were told that Dubya was going to
>collect 200 m for the war chest...
>Giving the kid the benefit of the doubt... given current
>trends with a litle wiggle room, that is 150 M.
>...In other words, the kid is not doing that well.

True, 150 million is short of their goals, but it's -still- an impressive amount, and is still a reord for a presidential election warchest.

How much has <insert democratic canidate's name here> raised?

Besides, history has proven that "the kid" doesn't have to do well; after all, he lost the popular vote in the last election and still got into office...

[leesa]

62. Makes me wonder what they are purchasing from him this time around

Last time it was the tax cuts x 2, what are they buying now? Other than making this a full-fledged police state and getting rid of the pesky poor people, what is he offering?

[Flubadubya]

8. This attitude is much more prevalent than you realize...

It really is scary as hell, not to mention, frustrating as well. I see this very thing going on where I work all the time.

Right before the 2002 general election, there was one woman in the office who sort of "led" the political move. The day before the election she brought a "voting guide" from the Christian Coalition, passed it around, and told everyone in the office to vote according to that (this was in Texas, by the way).

The day after the election they were all browsing the paper to see the results. The "leader" was looking at a picture of John Cornyn (who had won the Senate seat in Texas) and said, "That's Mr. Cronyan (couldn't even pronounce his name). He's the one I voted for. He's against abortion."

And there you have it... need I say more. This kind of bubble-headedness in the "politics of the masses" is what drives this country. It is, indeed, very frightening, and very sickening.

[lastliberalintexas]

63. The guns, God and gays vote

These people often vote based on a handful of issues, never really looking at the bigger picture. Is the candidate "pro-life" (which in this case really only means anti-choice)? Pro-school prayer? Pro-gun? Anti-"sodomite"? Anti-Clinton? Anti-minority rights?

Then by golly, s/he is OUR candidate. S/he is one of us! Wink, nudge. You KNOW what I mean by that. Wink, wink.

But while there are unfortunately far more people like this in the South, you can find this mentality all over the country. All over the world for that matter.

If I didn't know that it would be used to discriminate, I think I would be in favor of some sort of intelligence/awareness test for voters. Can't name the candidates or who your elected officials are currently? Sorry- can't vote. (not serious about this- save the flames)

[rocketdem]

9. one has to concede one small point

It is possible, likely even, that not all intelligence has been or necessarily can be spread across the public sector. Secrets are necessary. Covert operations are necessary.

Fine.

But, if it can be demonstrated that it was not a matter of the public not knowing all the facts and is instead a matter of the public, and more importantly Congress, being told outright faslehoods, then we're talking about nothing short of war crimes. There is a fundamental difference between incomplete information and outright lies. That is a point that the Democrats must stress.

[tomp]

33. sorry, but i do not concede that point.

i think the idea that we must have secrets is imperialist/cia spin. we need secrets because what we're doing is wrong. i'm for absolute or vitrually absloute transparency in govt. if i don't know what the govt knows how can i decide if what they're doing is right? how can anyone? secrecy is anti-democratic.

[rocketdem]

80. secrets are necessary in a modern state

Consider, for a moment, an extreme case. What if the details, date, time, place, force strength, for the D-Day invasion had been made public and broadcast widely?

We don't live in a democracy. We live in a representative democracy. We rely on elected representation, the separation of powers, and the inherent system of check and balances that such a system should produce to protect our interests.

In the realm of national defense, secrets are necessary to ensure success. But that is secrecy from the public at large for specific reasons and for specific time periods. It should not be secrecy from other branches of government, specifically the legislative branch that has the constitutional duty to oversee the powers of war.

This is why I've said repeatedly, if Bush lied to the public, that's bad but can arguably be cloaked in the guise of national security. The last thing we need is to give ammunition to the right and their perpetual claim that the Dems are out to hamstring national defense.

On the other hand, if Bush and his administration lied to the United States Congress in order to obtain sanction for military action, then that is without question abuse of power and a high crime. If other members of the administration facilitated this action, then they too are guilty of high crimes. The entire lot of them, all of them, should be thrown out of office.

If it comes to it, we can stand Dennis Hastert as president for a few months until the 2004 elections take effect.

[sandnsea]

73. The proof is smack in your face

If they had more 'secret' intelligence, why didn't they use it to secure WMD sites and locations at the onset of the war. They didn't swoop in with covert operations to secure weapons sites. They secured oil fields. No matter how incompetent or uncaring the Cabal is, to not protect U.S. soldiers from KNOWN weapons locations would be a dereliction of duty beyond comprehension. THEY KNEW NOTHING.

[UTUSN]

10. Didn't David Send a Guy to War-Death to Kiss His Wife?

Ah, the perks of royalty.

[aquart]

27. Uriah.

And he did more than kiss. She was Solomon's mother, wasn't she?

[priller]

55. Uriah the Hittite was Bathsheba's husband

And yes, King David sent him off to the front lines where he would almost certainly die in battle, and he did. Before that he had brought Uriah back home from the war to visit with his wife, so that if she became pregnant they could claim it was Uriah's offspring. But Uriah would not sleep with Bathsheba, because he felt it wrong to take his ease and be with his wife while his brothers were off fighting in the war. So that forced David to send him back to the front lines.

The son that resulted from David and Bathsheba's union died as an infant. Solomon came along later.

[muchacho]

12. hypocrits

Blind allegience to thier guy and blind hatred at the "other" guy (Clinton).

It really can't be that harf to out maneuver these hypocrits.

And poeple, this is NOT just in Texas.

(Said the proud Texan)

[DrBB]

15. I'm a Barbie Doll and I love it that I have no brain!

"We don't know anything and that's the way we like it," says Sims, while her mother and sister wag their heads up and down like bobble toys. "We're just citizens and we want to be taken care of. If we had to think about stuff, n'everything, then our brains would hurt and we'd get confused. Ever had a facial? Tee hee hee hee hee!"

On edit: "Plus math is hard. Let's talk about shopping!"

[Darth_Kitten]

30. This could get fun...

"We will leave all that thinkun' and stuff to all those men in charge"
"We don't know HOW to take care of ourselves, that's menfolk bizness! I don't know about Irak and all those places, and I don't think it's my bizness, my bizness is being blindly obedient, mindful of my menfolk, and getting that gunk outta my pores!!!"

[oldcoot]

85. Too easy

"Does this pink dress make me look fat? I want to look nice for that cute secret service agent. I wonder if he carries a big gun."

On a more serious note, perhaps someone should forward this article to the support group for soldiers' spouses. They might want to let Mary Kay Cosmetics know how they feel about the convention.

[PaDUer]

78. They're all pumped up..

they're on a high, they're led to believe they're queens...Every year MK has a seminar and are treated royally for sales--buy, buy, buy..Things have changed since MK passed..

[TankLV]

16. [insert expletive involving a part of a woman's anatomy here]

I apologize to all DU women.

What idiotic comments!

There are no words to convey my disgust and contempt.

Needless to say, I will NEVER buy anything from these bimbos.

[Dimsdale]

79. By Definition..

A male asshole is a dick, a female....

[molly]

18. Well-well-well an entire family of BIMBOs

these stepford type idiots are what I consider typical pug women - dumb and dumber.

[xchrom]

19. there are a lot of those out there

sad, ain't it?

[saigon68]

23. WAIT UNTIL THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS ARE KILLED.

Oh, how dumb of you SAIGON, Their sons will NOT be killed,

they will simply dodge the draft and let the poor of the hills of Tennessee, the crazy kids from Motown and Compton CA, the newly arrived Hispanics from Mexico and the young men of Puerto Rico, do their fighting and dying.

What evil vampirish bitches, these wretched humans are. LEADER MY ASS





edited: for spelling

[The Night Owl]

20. Reminds me of this...

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0073747

[Khephra]

22. I was thinking of either

The Debbies from "The Oblongs" or The Heathers from "Heathers".

[ninkasi]

21. Aaaagggghhhh!

As a woman, I am familiar with that kind of female. They absolutely sicken me. Not a brain in their empty heads. Their blind adoration of the simian creature completely baffles me.

Could there be some ingredient in the makeup they slather on which also sucks functioning brain cells from their heads? Useless, useless, women. They seem to be the perfect match for their male versions, the swaggering, blustering, testosterone poisoned he men who start wars and let other men's sons die in them, because they're too busy making money.

Even if I knew nothing about Bush, just reading about his followers would be enough to make me run screaming for the nearest exit.

[TankLV]

38. That's it! It's in the makeup!

Get rid of the makeup!

Another Boston Tea Party!

What other explaination can there be?

Merits further investigation, at least!

heh heh heh!

[janx]

24. And people wonder why our foreign policy is in the toilet?!!!

"The campaign's fundraising operation is not unlike that of Mary Kay's. The cosmetics firm promotes directors who recruit new salesladies and earn credits for those recruits' sales -- prizes such as tiaras and pink Cadillacs. The reelection campaign has Pioneers, charged with recruiting donors to tote up $100,000, and Rangers, responsible for bringing in $200,000. Past prizes have included ambassadorships."

[Tracer]

25. Lest We Forget the Men ...

... here's one, blabbering on and on with some particularly brilliant analysis:

"Everyone else was drinking and partying, and George was fixed on unraveling this spool of thread, part of the puzzle, and he unrolled and unrolled, and when the spool was empty, there was the answer," says Turner. "I'll never forget it, his focus was such. And that is the focus I know he brings to this giant task of his."

Huh?

[TahitiNut]

28. Soulless, brainless, and mendacious superficiality.

Kindred (evil) spirits. Exploitation of appearance devoid of substance. Cronyism. The manipulation of perception ... tincturing turds and coloring corruption. Jon Benetism. Vacuous objectification. Cosmetized corpses. Crypt-dwellers. :puke:

[tomp]

34. it is one of democracy's biggest problems...

...that people like this get to vote.

also an indication of the level of insanity among the populace. yes, i really believe this is insanity, mental illness, out of touch with reality.

[TahitiNut]

41. It has been aptly observed for centuries that democracy depends on

... a well-informed and educated electorate. Both have been under continuous assault by proto-fascists for decades.

[ninkasi]

36. And those are their good points.

They are actually worse than you can imagine.

[TahitiNut]

44. Yes, they're ghouls.

I've met some and felt besoiled by the experience. They're like Dune's Baron Harkonnen -- reveling in the rot and putrescence of their souls. Proselytization of pimping by proxy pigmented dirt and grease. The Mary Kay pyramid scheme institutionalizes and celebrates economic parasitism pinkly pandering to prurience and pretense. P-p-p-p-:puke:

[susu369]

53. Don't forget - kindred spirits "love of money"

- great post, TahitiNut - you write very well.

[Rose Siding]

29. Why do they hate America?

snip>
...says Sims, while her mother and sister nod in agreement... "We can't know, as ordinary citizens, and we don't want to know -- it's scary -- and that's why we have leaders, and they worry about that for us. I trust him to lead. I trust that he's doing good things in the Oval Office and not bad things, if you know what I mean."

They have made a conscious choice to abandon democracy (as long as it's sexless)

[indepat]

32. Those with a mindset like/similar to Sims are a malignancy that has eaten

away at the heart, soul, and mind of America, it's like some plague had swept across every village and hamlet in America thereby exposing our nation to international perils and economic calamities heretofore unimagined. Those of her mindset never stop to ask/reason whether their ideologue's policies and actions, what he does/stands for, are those of a "Christian": he says he is and expresses the right, far-right, ideology, so that seems to be all that matters to those of her mindset. I shan't ask for God's help, for we, as a nation, got ourselves into this fine mess and we must collectively extricate ourselves out of this fine mess or suffer the consequences collectively.

[Khephra]

35. It didn't hit me until now

But SIMS (as in simulation, just like the game) is a perfect last name for these people. They stopped thinking long ago and gave up any claim to being truly alive.

[Doctor Panacea]

37. The airheads

Actually, the Stepford wives are preferable to these idiots.

Unfortunately, these women really do vote. They see themselves and their husbands as the new aristocrats, superior to the immoral and degenerate masses — the drunks, dopers, abortionists, homosexuals, atheists, communists, criminals, liars, adulterers, sex addicts, pornography advocates, welfare leeches, and general sociopaths who do not appreciate being Americans. Uh, forget about that thing of having no healthcare coverage — that doesn't count.

They see the world in terms of themselves and their life style on one side, and the degenerate, heathen masses on the other. And they vote.

[shanti]

39. definite puke material, yes

:puke: i had a feeling that *'s supporters were like this, vacuous airheads and idiots. thank god, i'm on the other side!

[cally]

40. Oh yes, she supports him because he blows bubbles

These folks are all insane.

"And here, in a fabulous black hat and burgundy dress, is Connie Ware, who remembers vividly the first time Bush walked into a room to stump for governor "and I thought he was just magic. He's a good and honest and decent man." She volunteered then, and drove him "all over East Texas at 80 miles an hour," and he sat in her front seat and blew giant gum bubbles. When Ware raised an eyebrow at him, Bush said with a grin, "I know a thousand ways to embarrass my mother.""

[Best_man23]

42. Hey, here's a picture of Dumbya voters

[TahitiNut]

45. His rod and staff comfort them.

:eyes: Fleece anyone? (Gets my goat.)

[Fleshdancer]

43. I have no patience for women like this.

I went to highschool with women exactly like this and those were hands down the worst years of my life. I personally think that one of the saddest truths to feminism today is that a few women crap it up for the rest of us. If the women in the posted article aren't enough to convince you of this, then move on over to the "hunting Bambi" thread. My inner Steinem is screaming right now.

[lkinsale]

46. "He's a Christian man"

That's your kicker, right there. He ran as a Christian, and that's all they want to know.

Watch for any Dem candidate to be tarred as un-Christian or non-Christian. It's the most powerful thing Bush has going for him in his base.

[priller]

56. I hear that often

from one of my best friends, who sounds *exactly* like one of these Mary Kay ladies (although this woman wouldn't be caught dead wearing Mary Kay--way beneath her, you know). She is so mesmerized by his supposed "Christian" credentials, she's totally blind to any of his myriad problems.

[ewagner]

81. ...sounds all too familiar

The CEO of the company I used to work for knew I was ...lets say NOT CONSERVATIVE..and definitely not a fundie christain like him...so he came up to my desk one day and without preamble said:

"The Republican Party is the party of God and the Democratic party is the party of Abortion and queers." I looked up from my PC in absolute astonishment and he stalked off.

Lemme tell ya folks....people like those MKer are everywhere.

[Lisa]

87. he's saying that like it's a bad thing!

Wow. Did he deliver any more priceless non-sequiturs when you were there?

[peekaloo]

47. Pretty vacant in pink

:puke:

[Lorien]

48. A web site just for them!

Here: http://www.bettybowers.com/bushglam.html

:evilgrin:

[Rex]

49. Sheep wearing pink lipstick are still...sheep

Don't let em get to close to FauxNews's Shep! He likes em woolie.

This reminds me of something that happened last year; I was taking my grandparents to the VA hospital (they both live off SS) here in San Antonio, my mom went with us. We stopped to eat at a Lubys and conversation somehow found its way into the political realm (I believe this was just right before the Nov 5 elections). We were talking about who they would vote for and my grandmother said, "I'd vote for Rick Perry...he has such nice hair!"

So there you have it folks...my grandparents are salt of the earth kinda people, and I would bet money that there are millions just like them. I've love them with all my heart, but I am convinced that certain things (like the innerworkings of politicos) is beyond them.
Of course they never even vote...it's to radical of a notion!

[goforit]

51. She standing on the RR tracks about to be rolled over by a frieght train.

And she and her buds don't even know it.

Some people just need to learn by experience even if it takes

100 life times to do it!!!

We just need to get on with life and let them crash.

I tell ya....I am not buying Mary Kay products any time soon!

[bluestateguy]

57. I'm not worried

Some voters must be written off in campaigns, and these dingbats are the perfect example. We have nothing to say to them, and when a Democrat is president he will roll right over them and their issue agendas.

[leesa]

59. These people are just too stupid to be alive

How do they drive cars? How do they walk across streets? "we don't want to know" These are the same assholes that scream about supporting the troops.

[demgrrrll]

66. Tracy Takes On on HBO does a terrific imitation of this women, what is

interesting is her ability to get to the seething anger that is underneath the sugar coated "niceness". The bigotry, etc. That is also what they have in common with Bushie but no one is going to talk about that, that's for sure. These are the backstabbing with a sweet smile bunch, the bless your heart crowd. I have no use for them and they are not going to vote Democratic. Even if you had a photo of Georgie going at it with a sheep on the WH lawn they would say that it was to show how much he is against cloning.

[classics]

64. Just tell them Bush introduced a tax on eyeliner.

That will send them screaming into the hills with thier pink Prada handbags in tow.

[are_we_united_yet]

65. These people are

morons.

[grasswire]

67. ha, this is great

There's a huge shift in the tone of this article from what Gerhart has previously written. This one is catty and sarcastic and mocking. Not just of the Mary Kay people, but of the fat cat Bush supporters and the Bushes themselves. It's beautifully written. The reporter deserves a hand. I've been reminding her that Laura Bush is a willing accessory.

[KTM]

68. Hmmm.. can we require

some kind ofIQ test prior to being allowed to vote ?? Stupid people should not be allowed to participate.

[study_war_no_more]

69. Code Pink protestors now work for cosmetics firm.

Wow this is really a conspiracy with legs, I thought the Stepford wives was only a movie.:crazy: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :puke:

[schultzee]

71. Barf! Yea, he is as Christian as Satan. lol

These brain dead people are nauseating.

[Emillereid]

72. Good Germans (Amurikans) to the core

So much for an informed citizenry!

[young_at_heart]

74. "I don't care about it at all"

That statement is massively unbelievable. We are all doomed if people like her are in the driver's seat!

[progressivebydesign]

75. Christian? Oh Puh-leeeze!

I get so agitated when I read people saying stupid things about Bush being a Christian.. Really? Would a devout Christian say, during a campaign stop, that someone was a "major league asshole?". Hardly sounds pure to me! These women are stupid and scary!

[PaDUer]

77. THE MK company

always donates a bundle to him...Know this, the only people making the big bucks in MK is the company, the NSD's, Sr Dir's, and few dir's..the beauty consultants buy and buy mega-inventory to keep their shows going, if not, they get phone calls from their director or recruitor...yet, they say they're not MLM...Big and long story...isn't what it appears.

[Spirochete]

82. "because we don't know anything about this intelligence"

That's not too hard to believe...

[RapidCreek]

83. If given the opportunity each and every one of these harpys

would have sucked Clintons cock so voraciously, he'd have turned inside out.

RC

[lumpy]

84. Some women would have been very content

to be living in the 19th century letting the men folks do their thinking for them.

[study_war_no_more]

86. oh this inspires me to wax poetic

Prayer
(Man was never horned until he fought with god-Danial Berrigan)
And we are here in post revolution America knowing that Gil Scott Heron was right and the revolution was not televised. I know this is true cause I was watching the stream of images like Dorthy watched Kansas when the tornadoe picked the world up and spun it hard-hard enough to make up look down. And now we are here in the plan for a New American century although it doesn't look new but suspiciously Orwellian and it reminds me of another time I tried to stop iron bombs from falling from the sky much bluer than the one above me so grey I half expect four horseman to burst galloping in apocalyptic condemnation of my lack of biblic fear of auto-geddon. Did I say auto-geddon? or armageddon?- a slip of the freudian appendage to be sure but perhaps it was about the oil? Still each murdered soul of the Iraq people lives with me now as each soul of the Vietmanese people once did. And the Mary Kay Cosmetic girls oooh and ahhh about how handsome the secret service men are and pay tribute to the king with pink hankies not as in code pink protest but a pulsating pastle fictionious pink which consumes all other colors and races and other ways of life and things are spinning so fast that it is hard to know who is speaking from behind the curtain cause they know about that too and are way ahead of the minds ability to absorb leaving me with only the heart- to stand in- to offer in this darkness after all god could easily be a willow outside my window or the smell of smudging sage as the sun sets on the empire or the will to be ordinary in this masquerade of life. I hold up my hands not in surrender but to show they are free of blood.
-Mitakuye oyasin.

[young_at_heart]

88. I will never again buy Mary Kay on ebay

I feel like throwing up!

[Missy Vixen]

89. Let's talk about Mary Kay and those who sell it

I realize that there has already been a couple of people on this thread who knew a bit about Mary Kay Cosmetics; here's my experience. Yes, I realize that this makes me look like the world's biggest sucker. I'd rather be momentarily embarrassed than remain silent, and see other women go through this.

I'm not the big makeup wearer, but I formerly liked the skin care, and I was working at a job I HATED ten years ago. One of my co-workers' wives was heavily into MK. She and her cohorts couldn't wait to "love people into the business". (I think about it now, and I need a long, long shower.) This is how it starts: They search out women who aren't nuts about what they're doing, drag them around to meet the "Cadillac drivers" and "sharp women" of MK, and tell you that you too can become a National Sales Director for only a $100 investment! Of course, "the product sells itself".

Women recruited into Mary Kay are pressured to lay in that inventory, to the tune of $600 - $3,000. Put it on the charge card -- you'll sell it all before the finance charges hit! If you buy a huge inventory, your recruiter is making money every time you order. If you don't buy the huge inventory, she will never, ever get one of the "free" cars. One gets a "free" car (Grand Am,) when one has twelve active recruits that came into the business with at least a $600 initial order, and the group is making $4,000 per month wholesale orders. One gets a Cadillac with appreciably higher numbers and much more manipulation and deception of women who really can't afford to subsidize someone else's "free" car.

The "lovebombing" lasts till the recruit isn't setting the world on fire. The recruiter is on to her next prospect. Gotta' keep "sharing the opportunity", or she won't get a car/stage recognition at Seminar/diamonds/lunch with an NSD.

One of my friends also joined MK at the same time I did. She's never made back her initial investment. Everytime I talked to her, I'd get the same story: "Won't you rejoin? It'll only cost you $100. I'm working on my carrrrrr. Don't you want to be part of my team?"

I have been to Mary Kay Seminar. I didn't stay at the Anatole, (we were at the Fairmont,) but I had a feeling that Bunnypants couldn't wait to get over there during Seminar time. Like the article said, a large number of their leadership are hardcore Christian Coalition-type Republicans. There are also some amazing-looking women there; why would anyone who's not a knockout be successful selling makeup?Most of MK's leadership are as cutthroat and craven as any of Enron's executives, but carefully present themselves as "Christians". There have been flame wars on AOL's MK boards re: "Mary Kay is a "Christian" company, if you're not a Christian, you shouldn't be selling MK," that make the Nader flame wars here look like a tea party. Just remember, the company motto is "God first, family second, career third."

Yes, women really get diamonds, trips and cars at Seminar. The year I was there was the last year one could win a mink coat. At the same time, watching some of these women use, abuse and step on their "recruits" would make someone with a cast-iron stomach sick. Of course they'd be * fans.

I'm actually glad that the Washington Post reporter told the truth. I also know that there are women every day desperately trying to sell a very expensive MK inventory for pennies on the dollar on eBay. Those women won't forget this, and this article will rub salt in the wound again.

Julie

[DemoTex]

90. When the Mary Kay whores come to town ...

DemoTex splits.

[Missy Vixen]

92. DemoTex, you probably had to fly them there!

If you were based in Dallas, you probably had that dubious pleasure. I can't even imagine how airline pilots deal with planeloads of shrieking and giggling MK salespeople on their way to Seminar each year, babbling about "big girl pay," and asking everyone within earshot if they'd like a facial.

One thing's for sure, it wasn't big fun in full makeup, a business-type dress with nylons and heels in the very humid Dallas heat. There was a dress code, and one was expected to adhere to it, no matter what the temperature was. (The same woman who still hasn't paid off her several-thousand-dollar inventory told me that MK Corporate wouldn't even relent during the terrible heat wave of a couple of years ago; there were attendees passing out due to heatstroke.)

I'll bet the people of Texas breathe a huge sigh of relief when they get their state back...

Julie

[HellKat]

91. You Know

I wonder if there are some Avon ladies this brain dead. Christian man my ass :puke: