WES DIGS UP BUSH'S BATTLE WITH BOTTLE [NY POST]

[truthisfreedom]

go wes. let's see if the rethugs get self-righteously indignant and cry foul over this one.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/11659.htm

WES DIGS UP BUSH'S BATTLE WITH BOTTLE

By VINCENT MORRIS

November 24, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential wannabe Gen. Wesley Clark said yesterday that Americans admire President Bush because of the way he overcame "alcoholism" and salvaged his marriage by sobering up.

<snip>

"I'm not running to bash George Bush. A lot of Americans really love him," said Clark.

"They love what he represents, a man who's overcome adversity in his life from alcoholism and pulled his marriage back together and moved forward," added Clark.

Although Bush has always refused to discuss his years of excessive drinking, he occasionally refers to it as a dark chapter in his life. He cites First Lady Laura Bush, along with religion and the birth of his twin daughters, as factors that led him to swear off alcohol.

But Bush's drinking is almost never mentioned by his opponents and Vice President Al Gore refused to make it an issue during the 2000 election.
<snip>

[Tatiana]

1. LOL

I knew that comment would make news.

[Renew Deal]

2. Way to kick ass.

I love it. Oh it was just a compliment. lol

[SlavesandBulldozers]

3. powerful stuff

i love that. oh wait, Breaking Michael Jackson news. . .

[Whoa_Nelly]

4. Interesting article re: Dry Drunk & *

"Dry Drunk" Syndrome and
George W. Bush

http://www.counterpunch.org/wormer1011.html

[lindashaw]

11. This is excellent and puts understanding where there was just an

"I can't put my finger on it" kind of thing.

[Timefortruth]

29. See, I'm still not buying the dry part of the dry drunk story.

He is still drinking, he has the look.

[susu369]

59. I'm with you

as I believe bu$h* is still drinking. Everything about the man is a facade.

[nolabels]

43. Is anybody checking out them articles on alcohol & cocaine addiction?

It is kind of revealing, they are showing when mixed they multiply each others toxic effect. Another thing was this piece below about long term effects of Cocaine.

The story line in the book “Fortunate Son” had * into the nose candy pretty deeply


http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/Cocaine.html

Cocaine Abuse May Lead To Strokes and Mental Deficits
By Steven Stocker, NIDA NOTES Contributing Writer
(snip)
Long-term Reductions in Blood Flow

Scientists began to observe that cocaine could cause persistent blood flow deficits in the brain in the mid-1980s. NIDA-funded scientist Dr. Nora Volkow and her colleagues at the Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York, and at the University of Texas Health Science Center in Houston used another imaging technique called positron emission tomography (PET), which can show the flow of blood in the brain tissue rather than in the brain arteries, as MRA does. When the researchers compared PET scans of young adult cocaine-abusing men with scans of normal volunteers, they found that most of the abusers had less blood flow in some areas of the brain. When the researchers performed PET scans again 10 days later, the blood flow deficits were still there, even though the abusers had stopped using cocaine. Many of the volunteers had difficulties concentrating and performing simple calculations, which the researchers concluded were associated with the blood flow deficits.


(snip)(snip)
Using a technology called transcranial Doppler sonography (TCD), Dr. Ronald Herning, Dr. Jean Lud Cadet, and colleagues in NIDA's Division of Intramural Research in Baltimore have found evidence that cocaine abusers do indeed have significant atherosclerosis in their brain arteries. In TCD, very high frequency sound waves are bounced off the blood flowing in large arteries in the brain, and the characteristics of the reflected sound waves can be used to estimate the constriction of the arteries. "Our data suggest that cocaine abusers in their thirties have arteries that are as constricted as those of normal subjects in their sixties," says Dr. Herning.

Mental Deficits

Drug treatment providers should be aware that mental deficits that develop in cocaine abusers as a result of reduced blood flow may hamper the ability of these patients to benefit from treatment, says Dr. Strickland. Some patients have trouble paying attention or remembering conversations; others disrupt the therapy by being disinhibited. They constantly interrupt the therapist, they begin tasks without waiting for all the instructions, and they may become aggressive.

Dr. Strickland recommends giving new drug abuse patients neuropsychological screening tests to identify their deficits. Once these deficits are identified, the therapist can modify the drug treatment to accommodate the deficits, he suggests. For example, if the patient has trouble paying attention and remembering, the therapist could present information in small segments and repeat each segment until the patient learns it.
(snip)

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

5. That reminds me of a joke

Q: What did Bush* say when Wesley Clark won the 2004 presidential race?

A: I demand a refill!

[54anickel]

6. More important, it slipped *s ad exploiting of 9/11 into the news

Clark, speaking on CBS's "Face the Nation," accused Bush of "exploit 9/11" with new political ads paid for by the Republican National Committee that highlight the president's anti-terror efforts.

Now, if someone would slip in the AWOL story......

[recidivist]

7. Remember, Bush isn't the only ex-drinker in the race.

What makes you think Bush is the real target here? His drinking history is well known, and the DUI ambush was sprung three years ago. However, there IS one other prominent candidate in the race whose drinking past is, as yet, unexplored. Moreover, that happens to be the guy running away with the race. Curious timing for Wes to be bringing up the subject of drinking.

I think perhaps Wes has a non-Bush target in mind. He's just using Bush to bait the hook.

[truthisfreedom]

8. bush's history is actually pretty unexplored. no one has ever asked him

point blank if he was ever arrested in Texas for anything (his records were erased) and nobody has ever asked him point blank HOW MANY TIMES HE HAS BEEN ARRESTED IN TOTAL.

[Kolesar]

9. Bush has "community service" on his resume

His resume says he worked at some church charity. More likely, the judge ordered the rich boy to do community service after a cocaine conviction.

[Terwilliger]

17. who's the other ex-drinker?

and, are we talking about true youthful drinking, or alcoholism?

[Renew Deal]

24. Dean is my guess.

Dean and Bush* were both Yale party boys. I wouldn't be surprised if they shared a bong. I don't think this was a backhanded slap at Dean,. but Clark is really bright so who knows.

[Chomskyite]

47. Your guess?

In the words of Lawrence Taylor, the great Giants running back, "You're gonna have to do better than this."

[bsiebs]

52. Dean stopped drinking

Dean is the other guy that doesnt drink anymore

[Guaranteed]

58. Lawrence Taylor was

a defensive end, I believe. Not sure about the "end," but he was definitely on the defensive line.

[smirkymonkey]

20. I have it on good authority that Cheney

is even more of a boozer than bush. Would explain all the "health problems" and keeping a low profile.

[truthisfreedom]

21. he has at least one DUI as well.

maybe two... i'd have to look it up.

[ILeft]

26. Dick had two in an 8 month stretch

When news of George W. Bush's drunken driving arrest surfaced during the final week of the 2000 presidential campaign, Republicans tried to dismiss it as one of those "youthful indiscretions" Bush had steadfastly refused to discuss. Of course, when he got popped in Kennebunkport in 1976, Bush was 30 years old, hardly a kid.

Vice President Dick Cheney, on the other hand, could actually argue that his two DWIs came when he was young and reckless.

Court and police records obtained by The Smoking Gun show that Cheney was convicted of drunk driving twice during an eight-month period in the early 1960s in his home state of Wyoming. The two convictions came when Cheney was 21 and 22 and resulted in fines and a brief suspension of his driver's license.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

[smirkymonkey]

32. It's two, that we know of

info on his alcoholism has been suppressed, but from what I have heard (through someone who knows someone) he's certifiable. And what's even scarier is that he's the one who is really running the show.

[Khephra]

10. As an ex-drunk

this is one area that I never really fault Bush on. Keeping the DUI thing secret and covered-up, yes. Drinking and quitting, no.

I wish Clark had hit him on his AWOL status instead, to tell you the truth. That's what a lot of us have been hoping he'd do.

Instead this just feels wrong to me.

[JitterbugPerfume]

12. Me too Kef

to quit drinking is a GOOD thing There is so many more things he could be legitimately attacked for---like the AWOL---

[annxburns]

16. I am a little uncomfortable with this too ...

... but it does bring up how unexamined Bush's past is by the media. They gave him a free ride in 2000 and still are not looking at it or asking him any tough questions.

Can you imagine if one of our candidates ...

got out of serving in Vietnam by getting a spot in the National Guard through family connections

went AWOL in the National Guard for a year, with testimony from the base commander that he "never showed up"

had a past where he drank heavily and had a DUI

will not say whether he used hard drugs

... what the press would do to him?

My God, Drudge would have headlines from here to eternity ...

But the fact that Clark brings it up, couched in a compliment, well somehow that is beyond the pale.

I am so sick of the media, I cannot stand it. I heard that Brokaw is going to "really go after" our candidates tonight. Since when is his job to make news instead of report it? Why doesn't he turn that scrutiny to the man who lied us into an unnecessary war and is allowing our servicepeople to get their throats slit?

[truthisfreedom]

19. there's lots more for clark or anyone to point out about bush.

here's a list of bush's "accomplishments" written from his own perspective.

I attacked and took over two countries.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the
US Treasury.

I shattered the record for the biggest annual
deficit in history (not easy!).

I set an economic record for the most
personal bankruptcies filed in any 12
month period.

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the
history of the stock market.

I am the first president in decades to execute
a federal prisoner.

In my first year in office I set the all-time
record for most days on vacation by any president in
US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

After taking the entire month of August off for
vacation, I presided over the worst security failure
in US history.

I set the record for most campaign fund
raising trips by any president in
US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million
Americans lost their jobs.

I cut unemployment benefits for more
out-of-work Americans than any other
president in US history.

I set the all-time record for most real estate
foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I appointed more convicted criminals to
administration positions than any
president in US history.

I set the record for the fewest press
conferences of any president, since
the advent of TV.

I signed more laws and executive orders
amending the Constitution than any
other US president in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crises in
US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

I set the all-time record for most people
worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million
people),shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of
mankind.

I dissolved more international treaties than
any president in US history.

I've made my presidency the most secretive
and unaccountable of any in US
history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in US history. (The poorest
multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice,
has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.)

I am the first president in US history to have
all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle
against bankruptcy.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock
market fraud in any market in any country in the
history of the world.

I am the first president in US history to order a
US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign
nation, and I did so against the will of the
United Nations and the vast majority of the
international community.

I have created the largest government
department bureaucracy in the history
of the United States, called the "Bureau of
Homeland Security"(only one letter away from BS).

I set the all-time record for biggest annual
budget spending increases, more than any other
president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but
I did it!!).

I am the first president in US history to compel
the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights
Commission.

I am the first president in US history to have
the United Nations remove the US from the Elections
Monitoring Board.

I removed more checks and balances, and have the
least amount of congressional oversight than any
presidential administration in US history.

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

I withdrew from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US
prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the
Geneva Conventions.

I am the first president in US history to refuse
United Nations election inspectors access during the
2002 US elections.

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder
for most corporate campaign donations.

The biggest lifetime contributor to my
campaign, who is also one of my best
friends, presided over one of the largest
corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth
Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

I spent more money on polls and focus
groups than any president in US
history.

I am the first president to run and hide when
the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the
enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

I am the first US president to establish a
secret shadow government.

I took the world's sympathy for the US after
9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most
resented country in the world (possibly the biggest
diplomatic failure in US and world history).

I am the first US president in history to have a
majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my
presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals
to be awarded government contracts.

I set the all-time record for the number of
administration appointees who violated US
law by not selling their huge investments in
corporations bidding for gov't contracts.

I have removed more freedoms and civil
liberties for Americans than any
other president in US history.

I entered office with the strongest economy in
US history and in less than two years turned every
single economic category heading straight down.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one
conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving
record has been erased and is not available).

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas
have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed
in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my
insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in
secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All minutes of meetings of any public
corporation for which I served on the
board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable
for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my
VP) attended regarding public
energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for public review.


GEORGE W. BUSH
The White House,
Washington, DC

(Note: this information should be useful to
voters in the 2004 election. Circulate to as many
citizens you think would be helped to be reminded
about this record)
Richard Falk
Executive Director
Marschallin+Sachs
1133 Broadway, Suite 1330
New York, NY   10010

[glitch]

65. very nice! thanks nt

[smirkymonkey]

22. Yes, it is good to quit drinking,

however it's not good to lie about quitting the drink, continue to drink and f**k up the entire world in the throes of active alcoholism.

[KittyWampus]

39. Where Did Clark ATTACK Junior?

Did you read the article or hear his comment?

He was actually complimenting him. :)

[TomNickell]

60. A back-assward compliment.....

Brings up the issue without actually making a criticism.

Not particularly subtle, though.

[joycep]

34. I am a recovering alcoholic

But I do not try to hide that part of my life. I am so grateful for having that taken away. I guess I am very doubtful about Bush's recovery as I just don't have the feel that I have about other people in recovery.
I don't have any problem with people bringing it up regardless of whether he is dry or not because he certainly does not mind badmouthing other people or bringing up their pasts.

[spotbird]

38. If he were honest about it I would agree with you.

But on this issue like all others he lies. There is the tape where he is drunk years after he said he quit for one thing. Another is that I just don't think he quit either. There are too many unexplained photos of him with drinks.

It is a ripe issue because it is unexplored, IMO.

[TomNickell]

61. I think the long-term drinking -should- have been an issue....

Long-term alcohol abuse -can- cause personality changes (not for the better), and there is a substantial probability of relapse.

Questions regarding Mr Bush's emotional stabillity and the probability of relapse under stress were certainly valid during the 2000 campaign. But, very stangely, were never asked.

Less relevant now, but not entirely unimportant. Aspects of *'s personality--the impatience and irritability-- have been attributed to his being a 'dry drunk'.

I thought Al Gore should have made a campaign swing touring National Guard bases, including the one * went AWOL from. End it by taking in a Rangers home game in the stadium the taxpayers built for *.

[ILeft]

13. imho it is relevant that the unelected POTUS is an alcoholic

One is never "cured," right? If we were talking about a family member or friend, it would be different. But George W. Bush is through and through a lying hypocrite who has my family's life in his hands. He needs to be held to a very, very high standard. He's raised the stakes for all of us.

And, Bush has been alluding to his drinking, recently- so I'm glad to see that someone is pointing out that it's not like ole Dubya just had a few too many at a college frat party.

(Kind of an angry rant- don't intend to offend...)

[joeunderdog]

35. It's relevant because Shrub is a Dry Drunk

not a recovering alcoholic. His denial, anger and lack of insight into the issues of people in recovery make him very dangerous. His lack of connection to his own real problems lead him to rely on external controls. That's why he is such a CONTROL freak.

[union_maid]

14. I thought he did it beautifully

He gave him credit for overcoming, but it really is an issue. Not the drinking per se so much, as the fact that while some of the other candidates were accomplishing, learning, doing, Bush was still partying his life away. That's the GW that we need people to look at. Brain or no brain, he's a man of few accomplishments. In fact, quitting drinking might be the only one.

[union_maid]

15. I thought he did it beautifully

He gave him credit for overcoming, but it really is an issue. Not the drinking per se so much, as the fact that while some of the other candidates were accomplishing, learning, doing, Bush was still partying his life away. That's the GW that we need people to look at. Brain or no brain, he's a man of few accomplishments. In fact, quitting drinking might be the only one.

[Donna Zen]

18. Please, please, Clark complemented bush

Consider it a shot across the bow to a broader AWOL target. Clark will actually never have to take that shot. Others will, especially if Clark is nominated.

[Spazito]

25. I agree!

This is a very clear message to Bush's handlers telling them that Clark will not take any crap from them.

[Malva Zebrina]

23. Hmm

This makes me think that Bush is indeed still drinking and Clark knows it.

[Dhalgren]

30. You know, that's exactly what I thought.

The best way to get Bush's drinking (current) on the radar is to bring up how much admired he is for having tackled and subdued his alcoholism. This coupled with Bush's numerous references to his drinking makes me think that maybe lil' George is juicin' again. If we only had a free media...

[Stephanie]

50. Bush still drinking?

Ya think?

[Sideways]

63. Good Gawd This Picture Is A Guy Living An Eternal Hangover

Folks this is the picture of a fucking DRUNK. Handlers, lighting, make-up, props....and this is the best his people can come up with? Sorry my third grade paper mache balloon globe looked more stately than this. FUCKING DRUNK. End of rant.

[JNelson6563]

27. haha I caught that

happen to flip through and caught the General talking to Russert or whoever. I thought it was great the way he slipped it in there in such a compassionate way. ;-)

*applause*

Julie

[jayfish]

28. I Know It's To Be Expected From The NYPost, But...

doesn't anyone else think the use if the word "wannabe", when describing a candidate for public office, is a little...well, low-budget. That wackily quazy, lirul media is at it again.

Jay

[Dhalgren]

31. Yeah.

Also the use of "digging up" as though Wes were slinging mud. When accually the General was praising Bush's fight with the evil bottle (heh, heh) and the salvaging of his ruined marriage (double heh, heh).

[montana_hazeleyes]

33. I thought the same thing

when I read that.

[robbedvoter]

36. It's how overachievers compliment underachievers:

"Very good! You didn't spill it this time! yeaaaay!" (works wonders with toddlers)too

[eyeontheprize]

37. Clark may have just won my vote.

If he continues to attack them in the exact way they attack us I will support him in my early primary state. This shows that he is willing to set the tone and not be intimidated by their empty cries of foul. That is a characteristic the winning Democratic candidate in 11/04 just has to have. We must set the agenda to win, Bush’s history is an important factor in his gruesome character start talking about it and his crimes in office (traitorgate) and we may have some hope.

If it is the truth we must use it, even if the Republicans and the media don’t want us to, so it won’t be easy. Clark understands strategy as a general and that’s may be what’s required, a warrior.

[FrenchieCat]

44. amen!

The goal is to use smart strategy to replace Bush come November 2004!

The General has shown himself more than capable, and better yet willing to do what it takes in a very intelligent manner.

Based on intelligence alone and the habit as a General on how to psychologically outmanuever the enemy, Wes Clark is really the only one that can pull off what is going to be required to outwit Rove's machine......

The other candidates don't stand a chance.

A vote for Clark is a vote for a new President in the White House
A vote for any other candidate is a vote for Bush to remain there.
NUFF Said!

[dvddrone]

66. He's looking better...

I kinda like this 'left handed compliment' routine - very effective, with plausible deniability re - being a big ol' meanie to W. <snicker> And he did a nice job in the debate last night. I think Clark could work W over something fierce in any debate. (yeah, yeah, my friend's 12 year old could too and any of the Dems ought to be able to... but Clark is looking like he has some serious game.)

Still - I can't get over how much I admire and agree with Dennis Kucinich on every damned issue that comes up. Thus far, he hasn't struck an off-note once for me. And Dean, I like Dean, too - he's got game. Of course, I always voted for Kerry when I was a MA resident. His staff used to piss me off whenever I was trying to get a straight answer out of 'em, but he - too - has game. Thank all gods the primary isn't tomorrow. I don't know what I'd do.

Elizabeth

[cliss]

40. Interesting thread.

That's why I keep coming back to the DU; there are so many good viewpoints that I didn't know about or didn't think of.

On Clark's comment: I would tend to agree with the one post which says that Clark is acknowledging the fact that George has gone back to the bottle.

I have a hard time believing that this is a 100% compliment. I've read too many criticisms that Clark has directed to Bush. So this was probably a "driving in the dagger as you're smiling" type of thing.

On George's drinking: If Clark knows something that's not common knowledge, he is probably right. I saw photos of Bush drinking NA beer this summer at his barbecue. In London, he was also photographed drinking the "fake" stuff. Old-timers in AA say that when the alcoholic starts drinking "near beer", it's only a matter of time before they go back to the hard stuff.

I've read lots of comments on Bush's facial features, slurring, dropping his dog, puffiness, broken capillaries on his nose, confused thinking etc.

The sad fact about alcoholics is that 9 out of 10 die from the disease. In other words, 90% of all alcoholics go back to the bottle and subsequently die from it. So the odds are staggeringly against alcoholics ever getting sobriety.

And when they go to some other outlet like the church, or switch to some other addiction, their odds are even less. Their only real hope lies in AA. And I've never read that he attended any meetings, or endorses their organization.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

41. Well, now we know how the NY Post feels..

..I wonder how any other papers will (or if they will) treat this story.

[young_at_heart]

42. Why wasn't this important in 2000?

Picture Gore with W's background.........it would have been 24/7 on Fox and CNN. It would be nice if the hypocritical nature of Republican media could be pointed out somewhere!

[TacticalPeek]

45. A point that really irked me about aWol,

was during the 2000 campaign when he visited a rehab center (out west?) and was chatting on camera with some rehabers. He bragged that he had licked his own problem "without help from a government program" (like this poor guy was in). Of course, a rich punk with a rich, connected daddy who "fixes" things for him doesn't need help from government programs.

It was similar to Cheney's remark in the VP debates about making a lot of money in the real world "private sector" without government help. Except of course for the millions of dollars in sweetheart government contracts, both US and foreign, including Iraq.

:mad:

[AlabamaYankee]

46. Bush* brought it up himself

During his Imperial Tour he reminisced about going to British pubs when he was a drinking man.

If you open the door, you can't control what comes through.

[nolabels]

49. Sounds normal for someone who never came to terms with ............

the addiction. Living in denial and making others that come in contact with them live the consequences. Went from a drug addict to a Born Again addict (very shallow one at that). I have yet to hear one good thing about the con artist that was not just a sham to screw somebody else with.

If this was what was met about bringing the lowest to the highest position, that would take the prize as far as I could see. Does anybody know of a redeemable quality * has?

[bpilgrim]

48. Don't FORGET AWOL/DESERTER that should be a good debate ;-) n/t

peace

[GarySeven]

51. This is called "damning with faint praise"

Wes, being a Southerner, is a master of the art of damning with faint praise. What he is really saying is that that Bush has come a long way -- for a drunk.

[young_at_heart]

53. And yet, he's praised for bringing high morals to the office?

I'm still trying to figure out just what his moral accomplishments might be. I wasn't very impressed with his morality when he sat for 1/2 hr. in the classroom while our country was under attack.

[kodi]

54. And Brutus is an honorable man.

clark is a very sharp cookie. i enjoy watching him work.

[moondust]

55. Adversity?

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!

Stupid man sticks head in stool, pulls it out before death arrives. Tells tale of overcoming adversity of almost drowning.

Good one, Wes!!! :bounce:

[MilesColtrane]

56. Drinky McTipster

I don't know if the Primate Pretender is still drinking now. (My guess would be yes...remember the "killer" pretzel incident?) But he sure was in 1992. That was six years after said he stopped. You should see the video of him at a friends wedding reception, slurring, acting bizarre, and holding some "water in an amber glass". It's at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bush/bush.html

[truthisfreedom]

57. no doubt he's drunk in that video. i hope that footage shows up in one

of the anti-bush commercials so people can get a taste of the unedited, unprepped bush. a guy with a lot of imagination, with a lot going on upstairs. a guy who knows more than the phrase "only in america" and who can say lots of really nice supportive things about people. nice thoughtful sweet loving supportive things that aren't delivered with self-righteous "i'm better than anybody" smugness. this video should help everyone understand the "compassionate" in "compassionate conservatism."

[kentuck]

62. Is it normal to order a non-alcoholic beer when everyone else.....

ordered sodas? Would a recovering alcoholic do something like that or is that unusual? It seemed a little strange to me..

[Donna Zen]

64. non-alcoholic beer

is a misnomer...no such thing, check the label. Low--yes, but not no. Coming from a household with someone in recovery (12 years!!!) I can tell you that you do not drink period.

From what I observered of junior, my guess is a binge drinker at this time. He never went through treatment, and probably looks at his disease as a "problem." Babs said that her little boy never had any problem with booze.

Clark is Southern and very good at slipping in the knife. A Southerner on another thread said the appology would be even better.