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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:44 PM
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CNN: North Korea has now test-fired LONG-RANGE TAEPODONG-2
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 04:38 PM by DeepModem Mom
North Korea test-fires at least three missiles, one of them a long-range weapon that the U.S. has been monitoring, U.S. sources say.

http://www.cnn.com/

David Ensor says two short-range missiles, believed to be SCUD missiles, were tested, and then the missile that has been feared, the long-range Taepodong-2.

UPDATE: Ensor reporting that indications are that the Taepodong missile test-fire failed.

CNN reminds that this missile is capable of reaching the U.S.

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STORY UP NOW: U.S. official: North Korea tests long-range missile
From Elise Labott and Justine Redman
CNN
Tuesday, July 4, 2006

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- North Korea launched a long-range Taepodong-2 missile early Wednesday in an apparently unsuccessful test that failed in flight, a senior State Department official said.

North Korea also tested at least two smaller missiles, U.S. sources told CNN.

Both missiles were launched from a site other than the one intelligence officials have watched for weeks ahead of the long-range missile test, a senior State Department official said.

The United States, Japan and other countries have warned North Korea against a long-range missile test, saying such a move would be considered a provocation.

Washington and North Korea's Asian neighbors -- South Korea, China, Russia and Japan -- have been trying to persuade North Korea to dismantle its nuclear weapons program since 2002, but those talks have stalled in recent months.

President Bush warned last week that the isolated Stalinist state would face even further isolation if it launched the Taepodong-2, which U.S. analysts fear is capable of reaching the western United States....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/04/korea.missile/index.html


ON EDIT: FOURTH MISSILE NOW REPORTED LAUNCHED INTO THE SEA OF JAPAN.

ON EDIT: CNN SAYS T-2 FAILED IN MID-AIR.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:46 PM
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1. Self-delete
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 03:47 PM by IanDB1
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:46 PM
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2. This is new. It was.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:47 PM
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3. Right in our Collective Face
Goodness, this should prove interesting.

Can you imagine what kind of storm this is brewing in the Administration?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:50 PM
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Like they're wondering what they do with a nut who really has WMDs?
Well, invite him to the White House. Then there will be two nuts with WMDs in the same place at the same time.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:02 PM
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22. It all adds up
It's 4th of July.

Taepodong translated means "Worlds Biggest Bottle Rocket". Kim was celebrating.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:51 PM
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7. No, thanks.
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 03:57 PM by AngryOldDem
As I said in another thread, it's really sad when you worry just as much about our possible reaction as you do about their provocation.

Kim vs. Bush. God help us all.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:57 PM
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15. Sad? I don't think so.
I lose no sleep worrying about the Koreans.

It's our bunch of crazies that worries me.

The Koreans will only affect us indirectly through our jackbooted Admin.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:04 PM
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56. NAW! They're into oil wars, not peasant ones.
I'll bet NK has embarassed the crappola outta the administration soooooo it'll be compelled to drop a bomb here and there killing more innocents. After all, the sky is the limit with our profiteering regime.

This brings to mind that major "explosion" on the border of NK and China. I still wonder about that.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 04:57 AM
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116. Good point
> This brings to mind that major "explosion" on the border of NK and
> China. I still wonder about that.

I'd forgotten about that event ...
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:48 PM
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4. The corporate news networks (the big leagues) are still ignoring...
I guess womens chit chat talk shows with Dr. Phil and Montel are just more important.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:54 PM
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11. NBC broke in with a bulletin exactly at 4:30...
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 03:55 PM by AngryOldDem
...right when they knew that their affiliates' shows would be in a commercial break. It was Ann Curry anchoring with the senior Pentagon reporter Jim (I will not attempt to spell his last name, but he goes by Mic) on air from Washington. It was on for all of maybe two or three minutes, then...

IT WAS BACK TO OPRAH!
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. They probably haven't gotten Rove's talking points yet....n/t
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:50 PM
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5. Bush Administration caught off guard AGAIN
No surprise, really
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
93. Since the US has been monitoring the launch site for weeks ..
why do you think we were caught off guard?
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #93
96. why wasn't Norad on full alert until after the first 3 missle tests?
just saying
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #96
102. Actually, the folks under that mountain in Colorado
went to Bravo Plus, which is 3+ on a scale of 5. Nobody really knew why they did it, but it may have been satellite images of N. Korea.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 05:32 AM
Response to Reply #93
117. *Cough*
> Both missiles were launched from a site other than the one
> intelligence officials have watched for weeks ahead of the
> long-range missile test, a senior State Department official said.

I think this counts as being caught off-guard. :eyes:

Personally, I find it very amusing ... given the extremely low
chance of "anti-missile defences" hitting an inbound even when
the trajectory is known, the launch time is known and there is
a beacon on its nose, the use of a different launch site really
does stick the digit up to the US administration & their propaganda
machine ...
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:50 PM
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6. Sure glad we took out those SCUDs in Iraq
remember, those ones that had a max range of about 200m and landed who knows where? :crazy:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:52 PM
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8. Yeah. I feel safe. nt
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #6
121. SCUDs
IIRC, North Korea was reportedly one of the sources of SCUD missiles for Iraq.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:53 PM
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9. anybody else
find it coincidental that we launched shuttle today?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. coincidental in the sense that both were scheduled for July 4th
and that schedule, on both ends, was intentional.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #9
59. You noticed
It's like a double fuck you, to Georgie for his 'birthday'.

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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:55 PM
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12. did George start reading "My Pet Goat" and Dick hit his bunker ?
just thinking...
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:56 PM
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13. Test fire failed? maybe one positive aspect
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:57 PM
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14. Wow I'm scared.
Not.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. You probably should be - but not from the missle itself
International politics yes
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:00 PM
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20. Well yeah Bushco has always scared me
John King on CNN is calling this a "provocation" towards the USA.

:eyes:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. I lay awake at night worrying about North Korea... NOT!
But the MSM is trying hard to make us fear the Manchurian Emmanuel Goldstein.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. Well if I lived in Indiana
I probably wouldn't be worrying either.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:04 PM
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23. I wouldn't worry about them if I was back in California
You got a delusional man in North Korea begging for attention, and we got our own delusional man in the White House with access to the largest stockpile of WMDs.

Who do you think scares the shit out of me?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:05 PM
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24. NK is led by a crazy guy
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 04:05 PM by high density
But I don't think he's crazy enough to attack California.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Crazy guys with...
1) Nukes
2) Intercontinental missiles, and
3) Starving citizens

Have little to lose.

:yoiks:
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. Remember Saddam was ready to strike us as well
just like he did on 9/11.

:crazy:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #37
84. The difference is:
Kim Jung Il DOES
1) have nukes.
2) have one of the worst economies in the world. Their GDP per capita is about $1500.
3) have aspirations of selling his nuclear wherewithal to the highest bidder.
4) have a rocket that threatens intercontinental range.

Just because Bush spent his presidency focusing on a non-threat does not imply that the real threat that North Korea represents should continue to be ignored.

This whole problem was avoidable. The framework established by Clinton, if followed, would have had better results.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 07:54 PM
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86. The main problem is that I do not trust Bush to treat this issue properly
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 07:54 PM by high density
Instead of starting with 'gentle' talks and giving Mentally-Il the attention he wants, I'm afraid Bush will attempt to thrust us blindly into another war again.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 08:11 PM
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88. I fully agree with that.
Which makes the situation even more scary.

Our fates are entrusted to the crazy and the belligerent. Ain't that nice?
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AbbyR Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #84
95. Oh, but didn't you hear?
Some talking head on CNN said it was not the fault of this administration - Bush called attention to the North Korean threat. It was CLINTON who ignored it. Damn. Was Katrina Clinton's fault, too? Good grief. :crazy:
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #84
109. It is these very things that make me incredulous that nobody
acknowledged Damu Smith's death a couple of months ago. He was doing peace work in NK during Papa Bush's Iraq war. He KNEW how high the stakes were even then! NK is much more of a real and present danger than Saddam EVER was!!!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #28
54. That's Bush alright!
Bush will get us all killed in the name of Christ.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 06:05 PM
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77. They have their lives and power to lose
If the NK leadership was crazy it would not have lasted 55 years. Crazy like a fox, I would say.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #77
85. Crushing poverty does funny things.
North Korea's economy is about as bad as it gets. Their GDP per capita is $1500 per year - most of which goes toward government.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:29 PM
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100. That doesn't prove the leadership is crazy (or the people)
Much of the world would have to be crazy if this was the case, given that many countries have low GDPs.

The other point you make, that poverty may cause him to sell ballistic missile and/or nuclear weapons technology is relevant, though. That doesn't make him crazy - quite rational, in fact, using standard neoclassical economic theory.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 11:42 PM
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110. Selling nukes to the enemies of the biggest military in the world...
... would be an irrational act in any theory - neoclassical, paleoclassical or classicrockical. ;)

Poverty isn't evidence of leadership madness, it's a cause of it - they have little to lose.

North Korea is unique in their capacity to inflict harm combined with their desperate condition.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 06:11 PM
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123. You sell what you do well, and what people want
Edited on Wed Jul-05-06 06:11 PM by daleo
In North Korea's case, that is missiles and bombs (or so we are told).

That is rational, in economic theory. Also, by spreading this technology the relative power of the U.S. declines, which is also rational from North Korea's point of view. That is also the reason that current nuclear powers, especially the U.S., object to this.

It is a high stakes gamble on the part of North Korea, but that doesn't make it crazy. That is all I am saying. If the U.S. truly considers North Korea to be a dangerous enemy, it shouldn't sell them short by implying they are insane. Underestimating an enemy might make a person feel good, but it doesn't help to win battles.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #17
91. i know none of us want NK to have WMDs and the capacity
to deliver them, but..on the other hand...doesnt every country, including the USA, test their missiles? I cannot imagine that there is any international laws being broken by North Korea. Wasn't it just in the last year or so that our navy was all over there in the area playing war games, etc.?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 09:21 PM
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92. Speaking as one who lives close to Vandenberg AFB on the West Coast...
...this is very unsettling. Not Cuban Missile Crisis unsettling yet, but still not good at all. Bush/Cheney/Rummy are nuts -- Kim Jong Il is nuts. Bush's specialty is kicking over anthills to see what will happen...

Hekate

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:59 PM
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18. I think they chose today to launch
because being a holiday, Bush is probably drunk.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. LOL
not only is it a holiday it's also his birthday the liquor is flowing-step AWAY from the pretzel bowl George.What is the Vegas line on him developing some new and visible bruises by the time he sobers up and makes it back on TV?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #18
41. He is celebrating his birthdaytoday, so we can bet on it!
Oh, and the puppet who thinks he is king was born on July 6, I believe, and not the fourth.

Wonder what the deal is with celebrating today :sarcasm:
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
52. OMFG! You owe me a new keyboard.
:rofl:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:05 PM
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25. Blew up in mid flight...
Shitty workmanship or chemical laser, you decide..
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #25
68. More like normal rocket development
Get out your copy of The Right Stuff and page forward to the part where they were testing the US rockets...many failed test shots.

The Soviets managed to incinerate the commander of the Strategic Rocket Forces, Marshal Mitrofan Nedelin, and over 100 SRF troops and technicians in a launch pad explosion that occurred during the development of one of their ICBMs.

Both of these nations were working with captured German rocket scientists, the best available at the time. North Korea has no captured German rocket scientists.

That the North Koreans managed to get their new rocket off the ground so it could fail a minute after launch on its first shot, instead of having it blow up on the pad, shows that they have first-class engineers and high manufacturing standards, at least when it comes to weapons of mass destruction. It took us ten to fifteen tries to get a rocket to blow up a hundred feet off the ground.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:07 PM
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26. Fox is now saying that four missiles were tested...
..who the hell knows what's going on.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:11 PM
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27. Wes Clark spoke about North Korea this morning. Here's analysis:
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 04:20 PM by NCarolinawoman
(paraphrased)

North Korea wants attention from the U.S. They don't have anything going for them: They don't have oil like Iran, and they don't want to dominate the region like Iran cause they can't. They ARE dangerous to South Korea and Japan because they DO HAVE these weapons and just might use them. But they really REALLY want attention from us, and no one else, because North Korea still considers us the big shots. General Clark doesn't understand why we don't talk to them and have some kind of relationship with them. The Bush crowd doesn't want to deal with them. Clark thinks that's a foolish approach.

He also thinks Bush's crowd shouldn't have been bragging about shooting the missiles down because our anti-missile system might not work.
---------------------------------------------
As I remember, Madeline Albright use to humor the North Koreans and the head-guy use to look forward to her visits. It made him feel important.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Diplomacy vs "Bring it On " mentality
This is what happens.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #32
39. Yeah. Gore, Clark, Kerry would know how to handle this.
Foolish people who voted for Shrub!

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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:15 PM
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29. im so tired of this whitehouse!
over extending our military in places it doesnt need to be (i think we know where) while super nuts like this do whatever they want

north korea has been needed to be dealt with for a long time.

i hope the whole world comes down on them.

i just feel sorry for the north korean people.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #29
40. Can someone explain to me again
Why a sovereign nation shouldn't be allowed to test its weapon systems?
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. well
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 04:45 PM by iamthebandfanman
i think we shouldnt be allowed to right now either to be honest...
as long as a mad man with no intelligence can push the button ....
actually, personally, i dont think ANYONE should test weapons ANYWHERE... but u know ...

what IM wanting explained to me is why everyone on CNN and fox news acts like we are safe and can shoot these missles down... last time i checked the whole missle defense system was certainly not accurate
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. I agree with you.
I wish we'd all go back to sticks and stone. Better yet swords and arrows. Mankind's warfare should never have been allowed to evolve farther than that. Kings used to have to be as skilled as the armed serf to rule. Anyhoo. Last I remember none of these missles were likely to actually hit us and we know he can't strap a nuke onto it yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Bush called Kim and told him to go ahead and light his "bottle rocket" today it would be cool with us. Cue the state controlled press and you have yourself a 4th of July terra story. Tin foil hat I know.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. A failed missile that fell short of Japan is worrying
Sovereign nations may have a right to test their missiles; but if the long range missile was meant to go over Japan, but failed and fell short, you can see why Japan would be worried. If the failure had put it on a course for Japan itself, could North Korea have blown it up in midflight to stop it hitting Japan? Although there was presumably no warhead, nuclear or otherwise, on the missile, it might still have fuel and oxidiser on board. It's not as pleasanty thing to have arrive on your territory.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Very true
and I don't mean to make light of it except that if I don't I'll probably go crazy. All I know is that all the progress we made, and I even give Reagan credit for a lot of it, getting ourselves away from the brink of armageddon has been swiftly erased by madmen and testoterone based saber rattling and none of these people should be allowed in positions of power.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #46
79. Actually, it is pretty hard to launch from NK and avoid Japan
North Korea has a pretty tricky location on the globe. Any missile test pretty well has to overfly China, Russia, or the waters around Japan. An international test range that all countries could use would be a sensible idea (managed by the U.N.), but the world is too irrational for that now.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 08:16 PM
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89. This was all avoidable.
The framework established by Clinton would have worked, if followed through by Bush.

"The whole world coming down on them" is part of the problem. Their entire economy adds up to $1500 per capita, most of which goes to their military. The Bush program of condescension interjected by fits of belligerence does no one any good.
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:16 PM
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98. hear, hear! Best name for the Bush Doctrine I've heard yet
"Bush's program of condescension interjected by fits of belligerence"
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:17 PM
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30. Failed in flight?
Who really knows. It is the Bush admin making this claim.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:18 PM
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31. Map picture of what is within range of different missles
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:20 PM
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33. Perhaps North Korea is working for US weapons contractors.
We'll show you a few tricks if you build the case for enormous star-wars contracts.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:20 PM
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34. N. Korea fires missiles into Sea of Japan: Japan to lodge protest (scroll)
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 04:29 PM by cal04
North Korea fired at least three missiles early Wednesday morning that landed in the Sea of Japan, according to Japanese government sources. They landed 500-600 kilometers west of Japan's northern island of Hokkaido, they said.

The North last fired a ballistic missile in August 1998. It tested the Taepodong-1 with a 2,500-kilometer range then, part of which flew over Japan and into the Pacific. Pyongyang said it was a rocket for sending a satellite into orbit
.
Top Japanese officials, including Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe and Defense Agency chief Fukushiro Nukaga have been meeting at the prime minister's official residence to examine intelligence and discuss what action Japan would take.

Kyodo News
http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstStory/index.php?storyid=257434

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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 11:53 PM
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125. The missiles landed 500-600km west of Hokkaido?
That's a hell of a lot closer to Vladivostok than to Sapporo.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:25 PM
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36. All that Kim Jong Il wants...
...is a guarantee that the world will ensure the survival of his regime and ignore the brutality practiced against the North Korean people (and anyone his regime decides to kidnap).

What's wrong with that?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:26 PM
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38. north korea is really wanting Bush's attention
what does he have to do

Hit America before Bush negotiates with him???
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:43 PM
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42. Well, we know Bush is stubborn.....
And "we know where he stands", "stays the course", and all that. :sarcasm: I guess if W wants to hold "strong" and not talk to NK he won't change his mind. What a man! What a rock! :sarcasm:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:47 PM
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47. Yep he's stubborn all right and PingPong stole his discovery
shuttle launch thunder :rofl:
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:44 PM
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43. Great
More fodder for the rightwing nuts here in Japan (where I am) to play with in the lead up to the change in guard in a few months (Koizumi is stepping down).

What is it called, a "tapered dong" or something? Boys and their toys...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:45 PM
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45. Your serve, Georgie.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:56 PM
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50. You just summed up the whole mess in three little words
Bravo spanone. :toast: Now i'm going to go back to digging my bunker.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:58 PM
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51. Yes! The Ticking Crock!
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 04:59 PM by Barrett808
Somebody had to say it.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:02 PM
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53. This is George. I'm not in right now.
I'm busy invading other countries at the moment. Please leave a message. If you have oil, you can page me on my cell phone. Otherwise, I'll return your call just as soon as I'm done with the Middle East.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 08:00 PM
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87. LOL
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:03 PM
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55. What if NK launches at Australia to try to provoke US into a war?
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 05:04 PM by NormaR
Oh, George. Your foreign policy sucks.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:04 PM
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57. Will Bush decide to Declare Quagmire agianst NK?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:09 PM
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58. I thought only Congress could declare Quagmire
Or is it Congress on war, but Quagmire by Unitary Executive?

I'm so confused these days.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:24 PM
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60. George would decide Venezuela was behind it, and invade them instead
That is, if the events of the past few years are anything to go by.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:53 PM
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72. Would Bush retaliate if Australia were struck? Really? why?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:33 PM
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101. This doesn't come into the range of Australia
Japan would be a far more likely candidate. Or Taiwan perhaps.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:26 PM
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61. South Korea's Song Min-Soon headed to Washington
Song heads to Washington to discuss N.K.
Korea Herald

The president's chief secretary for national security Song Min-soon headed to Washington yesterday to discuss North Korea's pending missile threat and deadlocked nuclear negotiations.
In a three-day U.S. trip, Song will meet Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and other high-rank administrators.

From Congress, Song will meet Richard Lugar, the Republican senator from Indiana who heads the foreign relations committee, along with other representatives and experts on the Korean Peninsula.

Song's visit comes in the wake of a slowly changing mood over the stalled six-party talks involving the two Koreas, the United States, China, Japan and Russia...cont'd


http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/07/05/200607050003.asp

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puffthemagicdragon Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:26 PM
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62. he is like a 10 year old boy
wanting attention - firing on a shuttle launch day and the birthday of our country. Just kind of ironic how someone actually fired a Weapon of Mass Destruction our way yet we are in Iraq with our head in the sand looking for sadaams WMD's. what a joke.
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:28 PM
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63. CNN and David Ensor saying NK has launched 3rd missle n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:28 PM
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64. How Nice of Them to Shoot Their Wad For Our 4th of July.
Keep it up until they're all gone, Dear Leader!
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. lil' Kim's a fiesty lil' bugga
Administration caught off guard-
long holiday weekend
Georgies 60th birthday bash

I'd say unbelievable, but they fuck up
everything.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:28 PM
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66. Fireworks!
Blech.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:28 PM
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67. That will get some attention.
The one thing North Korea has going for it is no oil, so there will be no retaliation.
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puffthemagicdragon Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:46 PM
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69. I thought he said the 4th
CNN just said that a 4th was launched within the last 15 minutes. I don't have a link it is developing, BUT I think he launched the 4th AFTER the whitehouse said they are still open to diplomacy. This guy is clearly NUTS
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 11:11 PM
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106. a statement is being made.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:49 PM
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70. FT is saying 4 missiles
North Korea launches four missiles

North Korea reportedly launched as many as four missiles on Wednesday, an inflammatory move on the USs Independence Day, but it was not clear whether one of them was an intercontinental missile with the capacity to hit the US, as had been feared.

Initial reports suggested North Korea had fired two short-range Scud-type missiles into the Sea of Japan early on Wednesday morning in Asia, but there were also suggestions Pyongyang had tried and failed to launch at least one longer-range missile Regardless, the move will provoke strong reaction in Washington, Tokyo and Seoul, which had repeatedly warned North Korea against testing a missile, with all threatening strong counter-measures.

NHK, Japans public broadcaster, said one missile landed in the Sea of Japan, 600 km from the Japanese mainland, within minutes of being fired at about 4am local time, and another had been launched shortly afterwards.

NHK said Japanese government officials were trying to determine whether it was a long-range, or whether it was the mid-range Nodong missile that North Korea tests fairly regularly, most recently in March last year.

Financial Times

Also The Scoop in NZ is quoting a Japanese defense ministry type:

"Experts say the Taepodong 2 is a multi-stage missile with a possible range of 3500km to 4300km, which could put parts of Alaska in range - the cause of US concerns. A State Department official in Washington told Reuters a long-range missile, believed to be a Taepodong 2, failed 40 seconds after it was launched.

Japan's Kyodo news agency quoted the Japanese defence ministry as saying North Korea could have fired four missiles in all.

Stuff

So who knows...



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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:51 PM
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71. Lil' Kim's 4th of July fireworks for the Chimp
How cruel it is...

:evilgrin:
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:54 PM
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73. yup
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:55 PM
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74. Surely, Georgie shot it down with our double secret holy hand grenade.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 05:58 PM
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75. They are up to 6 missiles that have been launched n/t
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Texifornia Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 06:00 PM
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76. SIX??
Now CNN is saying six missles!!!!

Holy Shit!

'lil Kim is sticking his finger in the Chimperor eye.

Another spectacular policy failure brought to you by Busco.
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Paula Sims Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 06:09 PM
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78. Anyone feel it getting a bit "drafty"?
Interesting that today on the local progressive/Air America station they've been playing reminders to register with Selective Service. Looks like Chimpy has been caught with his pants down.
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blimpie Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 06:17 PM
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80. I wonder how long it will be
before our bases in Korea are blown up?

THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT BUSH!!!!!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 07:08 PM
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81. It's like the 4th of July.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 07:19 PM
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82. More on CNN: NORAD alert status stepped up
NORAD alert status stepped up

Tuesday, July 4, 2006; Posted: 7:04 p.m. EDT (23:04 GMT)

RELATED
U.S.: North Korea tests missiles

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (AP) -- The North American Aerospace Defense Command has been placed on heightened alert, a spokesman said.

NORAD monitors the skies for threats to North American security. On Tuesday, U.S. officials said that North Korea test-launched a long-range missile that may be capable of reaching the United States, but that the missile failed after 35 or 40 seconds.

NORAD was placed on "Bravo-Plus" status, slightly higher than a medium threat level, on Monday, said Michael Kucharek, a spokesman for NORAD and the U.S. Northern Command, which is responsible for defending U.S. territory.

"There's a lot going on," Kucharek said. "The safety of our people and resources is our top priority."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/04/norad.alert.ap/index.html

Yeah, sure... And since it was not the case on 9/11... In fact, what was it they were doing on that (lil' king george's) PNAC's "dreamed" day?
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 01:44 AM
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114. "We begin bombing in 5 minutes." - LOL
Edited on Wed Jul-05-06 01:45 AM by BrightKnight
Reagan had a way with language. Too bad Chimpy couldn't say that without smirking.

At least Reagan was a competent ass.

-----------------

This would not have happened with, Clinton, Gore , Kerry or any other competent leadership in the Whitehouse.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 07:46 PM
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83. not to worry
bush and rumsfeld will keep us safe!:puke:
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 08:57 PM
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90. capable of reaching U.S., IF North Korea perfects the technology
Okay, so ... North Korea test fires four missiles, one of which was the long-range Taepodong-2. The Taepodong-2 failed about thirty seconds after lift-off.

Press reports frequently claim that the Taepodong-2 is capable of hitting the United States. The fine print is important, though. As the Times notes in their dispatch today: the Taepodong-2 "is thought to be potentially capable of reaching United States territory in Alaska, if North Korea perfects the technology. But that ability has never been demonstrated in a test. (emphasis added)"

It's a serious issue that bears watching. But also note that UN Ambassador John Bolton is the lead-milker of this story.

Josh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:42 PM
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103. Our allies, the Japanese, are extremely upset.
In 1998, the N. Koreans shot a missle over Japan and into the Pacific Ocean. The Japanese were upset then, too.

CNN just said that the Russians called in the N. Korean ambassador yesterday and told him that any shots anywhere near Russia would not be viewed favorably. In fact, one of the missles today went close to the Kiril Islands, which are Russian territories south of Sakhalin in the Far East, just north of Hokkaido Island, Japan,where another missile came close.

My guess is that the Russians are not happy.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 09:31 PM
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94. What a slap in the face for the administration!
WOW!

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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:10 PM
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97. Scary times we live in. How I yearn for the Gay Old '90s
I read another article about this incident that calls Japan our ally almost in the same sentence that N. Korea (NK) threatens to nuke the U.S. When considering recent history (in my parents' lifetimes, let's say), I find it absolutely AMAZING that in the span of only 61 years a country that dared to bomb us, and which we "tested" out our infant nuclear power on, with devastating results, is now an ally. I know, I know, I could say the same thing (in reverse) about Iraq (from ally to enemy in fewer than 10 years, right?). It's just that when you put this stuff into historical perspective, it's mind-numbing. Speaking of historical perspective, I daresay NK has not forgotten our role in their "little conflict."

WHAT THE FUCK DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE DOING?!!!! In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?!" I mean, really! And the military-industial complex just keeps growing as it lines its pockets.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:50 PM
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104. Yes, our alliance with Japan does look odd in historical perspective.
But look at the alternatives. The S. Koreans are still pissed over Japanese treatment since the Japanese invaded before WWI. The Russians are still smarting from the Japanese victory in their war of 1905. The Chinese area still very angry with the Japanese after their invasion of China starting in 1934.

Top that with the apparent disinterest of the Japanese in a Russian or Chinese style socialist/communist government during the cold war period, and its not too hard to see the Japanese siding with us as the least of several evils. We also presented a large market and a source of considerable technology. We also treated them better than they treated the territories that they conquered. Seen in the light, despite the bombs, perhaps we looked pretty good, and the Japanese have the reputation of being a rather pragmatic society.
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 11:11 PM
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107. And let's not forget the Marshall Plan
After we nuked two of their cities into oblivion and they surrendered, we made them promise to never again form a military in order to invade other countries (which is why it also seemed odd to me that it was OK for them to suit up for the Iraqi war). Yes, very strange times, indeed.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 12:49 AM
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111. Japan was our ally almost instantly after we nuked them.
We literally wrote their constitution after the war, that they continue to use today.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 01:08 AM
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112. It is time to sell the Japanese some nukes. - n/t
Edited on Wed Jul-05-06 01:09 AM by BrightKnight
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 01:28 AM
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113. You mean and change their constitution?
ARTICLE 9.
Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.

In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.


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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 02:10 AM
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115. humble peaceful porcupines -- Nukes = defensive weapon of last resort.
Edited on Wed Jul-05-06 02:11 AM by BrightKnight
You do not make war with nukes. They are not useful for belligerency.

The humble porcupine does not go around picking fights. It is free to pursue its peaceful life because attacking it would be disastrous.

-------

I thought that the constitution had been changed or interpreted to allow for some defensive forces.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 02:52 PM
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122. I guess the U.S. bases over there act as their deterrent, for now.
Though I don't know how much the average Japanses citizen actually enjoys having our military over there. I used to read an english-speaking Japanese newspaper/discussion forum and there were many complaints frequently about the U.S. soldiers.

You could be right about the constitution changing or being interpreted differently. I hadn't heard that but I haven't researched it. I thought they had to find some loophole so that the Japanese could send "non-combat" soldiers to Iraq, or something like that.
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JesterCS Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 10:21 PM
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99. China News Reporting 10 Total Short-Range fired
heard from my parents.. so its word of mouth.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 11:02 PM
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105. this is the real threat to world peace.
bush the idiot has squandered our resources on areas that were never a threat.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 11:12 PM
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108. i hope it misfired and the test was unsuccessful
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 06:09 AM
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118. Our worst nightmare - a nut and an idiot facing off. nt
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 06:14 PM
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124. Which is which? n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 06:17 AM
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119. So let me get this straight.
The North Koreans are going to fire a long range missile (which doesn't work) at us, which we will then shoot down with our missile defense system (which also doesn't work.)

I'm feeling safer already. :)
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dmoded Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 10:00 AM
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120. and with all that seapower...
i saw many threads/pictures of the military heading that way in order to shoot down whatever kim bong had to offer the skies.

so yer telling me as of now he's shot off about 10, and no news reports about one being shot down?

wow i have so much faith in the interception phase.

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