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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:22 AM
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US seeks Israeli advice on Iraq
http://www.hipakistan.com/en/detail.php?newsId=en46043&F_catID=&f_type=source

WASHINGTON-There has been an implicit acknowledgement by the US that the bloody occupation of Iraq, faced with fierce resistance with about 35 daily maiming and killing incidents, does resemble with the occupation of another Muslim land a few hundred miles away: the universally recognised illegal occupation of the Gaza Strip and West Bank by a defiant Israel.

An extensive report published in Saturday’s Los Angeles Times tracks back the cooperation between the United States and Israel over an out of control insurgency by guerilla fighters in Iraq. Quoting high-level US and Israeli officials, The Times reports that in the last six months, US Army commanders, Pentagon officials and military trainers have sought advice from Israeli intelligence and security officials on everything from how to set up roadblocks to the best way to bomb suspected guerilla hide-outs in an urban area.

“Those who have to deal with like problems tend to share information as best they can,” The Times quotes Stephen Cambone, under-secretary of Defence for intelligence, as having said on Friday at a defence writers breakfast here.

On Saturday, more than 16 were killed at two police stations in separate bombings, and for the first time a plane was hit by a heat-seeking surface-to-air missile. More US soldiers-more than killed during the invasion—and countless Iraqis, have been killed after President Bush announced the end of formal combat operation in Iraq in May.

The Israelis “certainly have a wealth of experience from a military standpoint in dealing with domestic terror, urban terror, military operations in urban terrain, and there is a great deal of intelligence and knowledge sharing going on right now, all of which makes sense,” a senior US Army official told The Times on condition of anonymity. “We are certainly tapping into their knowledge base to find out what you do in these kinds of situations.”

Many of the tactics, the report says, recently adopted by the US in Iraq - increased use of airpower, aerial surveillance by unmanned aircraft of suspected sites, increased use of pinpoint search and seizure operations, the levelling of buildings used by suspected insurgents - bear striking similarities to those regularly employed by Israel.
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:27 AM
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1. The US should ask Israel for advice and then do the opposite
because clearly they're doing the wrong thing.
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:42 AM
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5. Unfortunately we are already using some of Israel’s tactics
such as demolishing homes of suspected "insurgents". This should really help our cause in Iraq <sarcasm alert>. If we continue to use such tactics and use more of Israel's tactics we will not make any more friends in the Middle East and things will deteriorate further!
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:35 AM
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2. Anybody got a link to the LA Times story?
US-Israeli cooperation or consultations on these issues has been subject of reports since shortly after Mission Accomplished.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:03 AM
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3. Ok, then the Iraqi adventure is doomed
Like we really need the 'success' of the Israelis in creating an enemy who is the mirror image opposite of themselves. Mission Accomplished!
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mebadgett Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:31 AM
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4. Middle Eastern Think Tank
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Josh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 08:32 AM
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7. Who's in the hat?
I'm staying out of the rest of the thread's discussion points, but I can't see who's in the hat, wearing the tuxedo... am I daft or is it someone I might not know...?

Cheers.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 09:30 AM
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8. Could it be that Texas great Billy Sol Estes?
Or Ken Lay?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:43 AM
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6. Razor Wire around the city of Tikrit?
Checkpoints for the citizens of Tikrit? Gee, who would have even considered Israeli tactics? :eyes:
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 09:35 AM
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9. this is worse than a Greek tragedy
The ignorance and mendacity of the American regime is overwhelming.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:07 AM
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10. Ghouls , the whole three of them
barbaric ghouls who have made a living by killing thosse they "say" are insurgents. The perfection of the inspired, pre-emptive attack is now embraced by all people's willing to kill for whatever their heart's desire and make up any excuse to do so. One claims it is to "defend" itself, the others lie more, and claim it is to secure democracy, peace and safety from terrorists. All are insane megalomaniacs. She lost her feet for Bush's lies.

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pdove Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:12 AM
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11. The more we learn from Israel, the sooner we will lose the war
Israel do not know how to win heart and mind, they only know how to kill.

We better learn more from Great Britain. They were the master of Middle East, and they know not to enrage the people.
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