Exile: We plotted attacks on Cuba

[Scurrilous]

A former board member for a prominent anti-Castro group went public with accusations that leaders of the Cuban American National Foundation plotted attacks in Cuba.

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"A former board member of the Cuban American National Foundation says he and other CANF leaders created a paramilitary group to carry out destabilizing acts in Cuba and do away with Cuban ruler Fidel Castro.

Jose Antonio Llama, known as Toñin, told El Nuevo Herald that the arsenal to carry out these plans included a cargo helicopter, 10 ultralight radio-controlled planes, seven vessels and abundant explosive materials.

"We were impatient with the survival of Castro's regime after the fall of the Soviet Union and the socialist camp," said Llama, a key financial backer of the plot in the early 1990s. "We wanted to accelerate the democratization of Cuba using any possible means to achieve it."

The plans failed after Llama and four other exiles were arrested in Puerto Rico in 1997 on charges of conspiracy to assassinate Castro during the Ibero-American Summit on Margarita Island, Venezuela. A jury acquitted them after a federal judge threw out one of the defendants' self-incriminating statements."

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14873233.htm

[Minnesota Libra]

1. The government wouldn't have set the group up now would they?? nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. Plotted?

Last time I checked they were still plotting.

[Dogmudgeon]

3. Please tell me this is a joke

"... a cargo helicopter, 10 ultralight radio-controlled planes, seven vessels and abundant explosive materials."

Those "abundant explosive materials" wouldn't have happened to have been exploding cigars, would they?

What passes for anti-communism isn't just dumb. It's batshit, barking-monkey, rubber-chicken crazy.

--p!
Thanks to Binka for the rubber chicken.

[Vidar]

4. Only the specifics are news.

[Vogon_Glory]

5. Specifics ARE News

I think it's good that specifics concerning the CANF's attempts to promote violence in Cuba IS news. I'm glad it's out in the open where the leading right-wing Cuban exile politicos can't sweep it under the rug and where their right-wing politico allies can't wish it away.

I'm no fan of Castro's policies, but I believe that impetus for change in Cuba should come from within Cuba, from the Cuban people, and not from an ever-increasingly out-of-touch group of aging exiles and their American-born children living in Miami.

[Mika]

6. Large amounts of our tax dollars are used to fund CANF ops.

Plus, the NED and the US congress fund "political" activity in Cuba that is illegal both in Cuba and in the US. When Cuba cracks down on such illegal foreign activities (that are illegal in the US also) the mewling Cubaphobes cry out that Castro is infringing on the human rights of "activists" simply speaking their own opinions.

This article describes how the US gov sets up these "activists" in illegal activities as stooges, then exposes their activities for the very purpose of getting them arrested - then cries foul that they've been arrested and are having their human rights violated.

Its the same pattern that the US has used in so many countries that the US gov has designs for exploitation.


Terrorism and Civil Society
The Instruments of US Policy in Cuba
http://www.counterpunch.org/agee08092003.html

[Bacchus39]

7. how about legalizing alternative political parties in Cuba then??

maybe some freedom of expression, free access to information from the outside world, and holding an election for a new president at least once every 50 years? what say you?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. So the described tactics were justified? -nt

[Bacchus39]

11. did I say that??

is repression in Cuba justified?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. No, you didn't. If you did, I wouldn't need to ask.

Hence, I ask again: are they?

[Bacchus39]

14. probably not. however, a popular uprising against Castro

would be something I could support. the Cuban mafia's tactics are more like the FARC, to a much lesser extent of course. I am sure most of their activity involves sitting around Miami playing dominos and bitching about Castro.

[mitchum]

18. Cuban? Mafia? Ah, so you're referring to Cuba under that pig Batista...

then, aren't you?

[Bacchus39]

24. no, more the Miami fanaticals

the American mafia ran Cuba under Batista.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

23. Well, dictator or not, it seems to me an uprising against him, right now,

would be as popular as that one against Chavez in 2002. And we know how THAT turned out. Cue Nelson from the SImpsons.

[Bacchus39]

25. we'll never know will we? considering the Cuban police state

n/t

[0007]

10. We can't even run things here on the up and up, what makes

you think we should even care how other counties run their governments?

[Bacchus39]

12. OK, I guess there shouldn't be any more posts on Cuba

or Venezuela then. I'll drink to that.

[0007]

28. So would junior and his crime cabal. n/t

[roody]

17. I cannot do that. I am not Cuban. I wish I could change

my rotten government. I am a USAan.

[Mika]

21. Bacchus39, you keep posting the same canard.

Go tell Oswaldo Paya that he is not the leader of an alternative political party in Cuba.

Instead of taking the lazy route, posting the same canard over and over, why not just read the article that I posted?

In it you will find this..

He showed a film clip from the trial of Oswaldo Alfonso Valdes, President of the Liberal Democratic Party of Cuba, in which Alfonso described a meeting he had with an AID official and Vickie Huddleston, until mid-2002 the chief of the U.S. Interests Section in Havana, in which they discussed how to improve the way that he was getting "resources" in order to better conceal the U.S. government as the source. In the clip Alfonso also acknowledged receiving money and material resources from the U.S. government via organizations based in Miami.

You see, just as would be the case in the US, Oswaldo Alfonso broke Cuban election law by taking funds from a foreign enemy entity.

I see, in another post of yours in this thread, that you think that these tactics are probably not justified. Why reduce the level of veracity of your postings even lower by posting lame points that have been demonstrated time and time again as canards?


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FYI, here are some of the other political parties in Cuba,
http://www.gksoft.com/govt/en/cu.html

* Partido Comunista de Cuba (PCC) {Communist Party of Cuba}
* Partido Demócrata Cristiano de Cuba (PDC) {Christian Democratic Party of Cuba} - Oswaldo Paya's Catholic party
* Partido Solidaridad Democrática (PSD) {Democratic Solidarity Party}
* Partido Social Revolucionario Democrático Cubano {Cuban Social Revolutionary Democratic Party}
* Coordinadora Social Demócrata de Cuba (CSDC) {Social Democratic Coordination of Cuba}
* Unión Liberal Cubana {Cuban Liberal Union}

[Bacchus39]

26. as do you, the biggest Castro disciple on DU

as has been stated previously those are parties in exile or illegal. as the Cuban constitution states unequivocally that the Communist party is the only party in Cuba.

[Solon]

22. Legalizing? Hell, they get elected there too...

Just saying:

Here's a list, in case you are wondering:

Partido Democrata Cristiano de Cuba (PDC)
Christian Democratic Party of Cuba
http://www.pdc-cuba.org/

Partido Social-Revolucionario Democrático de Cuba
Cuban Social-Revolutionary Democratic Party
http://www.psrdc.org/

Coordinadora Social Demócrata de Cuba (CSDC)
Cuban Social Democratic Coordinator Party
http://www.cosodecu.org/

And these are just the major ones, there are a LOT more political parties within Cuba, get educated before you spout off.

[Judi Lynn]

15. Not TOO exploitive, is it? It was comical to see James Cason overplay

his hand, lose the 75 agents, and have to leave Cuba. The article is very helpful in revealing how they got paid.

Here he is with the loudest hog of them all, Marta Beatriz Roque, who was released, of course, not so long after her trial, on grounds of her overweight "health" despite testimony by a woman who worked as her secretary for years concerning the salary she received from the U.S. government for her work as a "dissident." The article, by the way, details very well the way the money flows from the U.S. government, through various streams, to Cuban operatives.





Your article is well worth putting aside a few minutes to read it.

[redqueen]

8. Noooooooo... we'd never support terrorists! n/t

[Judi Lynn]

16. Thanks, Scurrilous! Isn't it quaint that these right-wing idiots engage in

screwing each other over when they get frustrated in their dreams of re-seizing Cuba?

It's terrific seeing these admissions made publicly. I hope there will be more to follow, if they don't have this guy marked for murder already.

[IndianaGreen]

19. When is the FBI and Homeland Security going to arrest these terrorists?

They should be in jail with jetliner bomber Posada Carriles. Wait! Posada is free thanks to Bush's refusal to extradite him to Venezuela.

[Judi Lynn]

20. Absolutely evil, isn't it? Just like his father's pardon to Posada's

fellow bomber/mass murderer, Orlando Bosch.

I'll bet there's not another country in the world where you'll find two mass murderers treated like celebrities.

[rman]

27. No shit

Well, it's good to have yet more confirmation.