CNN >> Senate Intelligence Committee votes 12-3 in favor of the nomination

[sabra]

http://www.cnn.com/

Senate Intelligence Committee votes 12-3 in favor of the nomination of Gen. Michael Hayden for CIA director.

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[IA_Seth]

1. While disappointing...it was certainly expected. n/t

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Julius Civitatus]

3. WTF????

:wtf:

[Catrina]

4. Unbelievable!! Once again, Congress ignoring the people!

Which Dems are on that Committee? Does Hayden have info on all of them or something?

[Julius Civitatus]

8. He has info on everybody

don't forget that.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Then why wasn't it unanimous?

:shrug:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

49. For show.

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. Is it Rove who decided who votes 'no?'

Or did he just let the Democrats decide who the three are going to be?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

57. I'm not privy to that knowledge.

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

12. Democrats on the committee:

John D. Rockefeller IV
West Virginia, Vice Chairman
Carl Levin, Michigan
Dianne Feinstein, California
Ron Wyden, Oregon
Evan Bayh, Indiana
Barbara A. Mikulski, Maryland
Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin

http://intelligence.senate.gov/members.htm

No idea who voted which way yet...

[section321]

15. Well... we can guess how "Rollover" Rockefeller voted

I am so disgusted with the Democratic party. I give up. This is another example of the party's inate ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

AAARRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MH1]

16. "Roberts would not say..." (how members voted) - WHY NOT?

Shouldn't that be public info?

Here is what is said in the cnn article:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/23/hayden/index.html

Roberts would not say which members of the committee voted against the nominee. Sen. Ron Wyden, a Democrat of Oregon, and Sen. Russ Feingold, a Democrat from Wisconsin, later said they were two of the no votes.

Feingold issed a statement saying he voted against Hayden "because I am not convinced that the nominee respects the rule of law and Congress's oversight responsibilities."

[Freddie Stubbs]

17. Perhaps he was going to leave that to the Committee memebers

to announce how they voted. I'm sure that each of them will asked.

[Catrina]

33. Thanks. I have no doubt that Diane Feinstein voted 'yes'. And most

likely Evan Bayh whose been a real disappointment lately. Probably Barbara Mikulski also.

Carl Levin and Russell Feingold, I doubt very much would vote 'yes' for a man who broke the law.

When will we get Democrats who are real Democrats? Has there been a single time when the Democrats voted unanamously against even one of Bush's awful bills? Sometimes I just feel like giving up. They always give this administration 'credibility' by making every bill look like it was 'bi-partison'. I'm just disgusted.

[MH1]

37. Bayh, Feingold, Wyden - No

Bayh is mentioned here, with Feingold; Wyden is mentioned in the cnn article I posted above:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12937937/

Rockefeller probably wasn't there, even though neither article mentioned that.

[upi402]

48. Dems who voted for a violator of the Republic;

Feinstein
Mikulski
Levin
Rockefeller


The General's illegal and extra-constititional actions are now legit and established. And just dandy in the eyes of our opposition party. The watchdogs of our rights and liberties.

[Julius Civitatus]

60. So, why did Feinstein complain about NSA spying last week?

She made sure she went to the media to give lip service about this issue. Then she turns around and confirms the guy who conducted the spying.

Words really fail me.

Well, these are my predictions:

- Democrats, because the predictably spineless behavior of so many DINOs, will LOSE in November.

- Republicans will reign supreme, and get away with murder, until 2008 and possibly beyond.

- There will be no impeachment.

- There will be no investigations of the criminal acts of the Bush cabal.

- Nobody will be indicted for 8 years of mismanagement, lies, corruption, and crime. And if anyone gets indicted, presidential pardons will come and the criminals will find cozy consultant jobs at Halliburton, Bechtel and Fox News.

[upi402]

65. I am equally hopeful

Even Dems aren't seeing that Republicans occupy our former party. I have very little hope for effective change.

[dionysus]

67. no doubt about it, you are a fucking troll freepper

n/t keep bashing demss freep

[uppityperson]

5. 911 911 911 911 911 911

12 to 3? Who voted how?

[Julius Civitatus]

6. Say GOODBYE to whatever PRIVACY you had left

If the NSA has been deep inside your personal stuff, now the CIA will do it as well. And they will get away with it, over and over again.

What's worse: nobody gives a fuck.
Hey, it's not like it's important, like say, American Idol or anything. :sarcasm:

Down the rabbit hole of fascism we go...

[LifeDuringWartime]

11. speaking of american idol

check out the poll at the bottom :puke:

[tridim]

7. Do Bush's appointments stand if he's impeached?

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. Yes, unless

he is removed from office. Then President Cheney would be able to fire them.

[lividtiff]

24. president Cheny

I just threw up a little. Just reading those two words together makes me want to vomit

[orleans]

50. don't worry. cheney gets impeached with fu*khead. n/t

[n2doc]

9. I keep wondering if anything will change if the dems take the senate

You get these threads all the time saying "See all the great folks that will take over chairmanships if the Dems get 51 members!" And then you see, over and over, depressing crap like this. I know anything will be better than what we have now, but damn, I gotta wonder sometimes. I think we really do have 3 parties, the repukes, the DLC'ers and the Democrats. Hayden is just awfull, and given all of the NSA news lately one might have hoped that the outrage would have been taken out on him. But no, Senate dems just roll over again and support Nazi's. I feel sick.

[ramapo]

10. Only the names

The Democrats constantly reveal themselves as either gutless wonders or as members of the same political party as their fellow Republicans, the Power Party, where the rich and powerful all play together in a never ending spectacle.

I heard this guy the other day on Franken's show, had some job like Dem. Senate Communication director, who had the usual mealy-mouth, weak, slobbery rhetoric discussing lobby reform. His basic message is that Democrats will TALK about lobby reform in session while the Republicans don't talk, they just blast through their legislation, BUT don't count on any meaningful reforms being enacted.

Every once in awhile I have a flash of optimism that a Democratic Congress would make a difference but I really don't think it will (would).

[Oak2004]

23. This is why 98% of the really important action happens in the primaries

and why everyone who can't look at their elected officials and say "I'm perfectly satisfied" (and who can?) should be getting involved either working for primary candidates, looking for primary candidates, or becoming candidates themselves.

General elections are important, of course. But the real decisions are made in the primaries.

[n2doc]

34. And yet look at the whining about Ned Lamont

There are some folks here who seem to think that any primary challenge against a sitting Dem is a bad thing.

Know your BFEE enablers:

Rockefeller (WV) offered warm praise, saying that General Hayden "has shown the necessary independence that is essential to restoring the C.I.A.'s credibility and stature."
Feinstein (CA)
Mikulski (Md) ", lauded the nominee as a man of competence and integrity "
Levin (MI)

Members of the Democratic Opposition who stood up to be counted today:
Feingold (WI) "I voted against the nomination of Gen. Michael Hayden to be director of the C.I.A. because I am not convinced that the nominee respects the rule of law and Congress's oversight responsibilities,"
Bayh (IN)
Wyden (OR)

Quotes and comments from the NYT article on the hearing.

[enough already]

27. Bush is at 29%

Frankly, we should be able to stop just about anything. Hayden should have been an easy one to stop. Unbelievable.

[adigal]

31. This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder if I should

fill out that Canadian immigration form. You are 100% right. How will having the Dems in power be any different if they vote for a fascist like Hayden??? There are a FEW Dems who care about the rule of law and our Constitution, but they are few and far between.

When the Dems are in power, they will be all concerned about holding onto their power and making their corporate masters happy still, so I don't think there will be any difference - and that the Dems rolled over on this nominee, which was Bush sticking his finger in their eyes, shows Bush he can do almost anything he wants with no pushback at all.

I wonder what Dems will stand up for us if they decide to send us to those nice new detention centers Halliburton is building??? I bet about two of them.

[pokercat999]

45. Actually that is still two parties, the DLC'ers/Repugs

(samey same)and Democrats.

[TankLV]

70. Exactly my feelings.

Simply sickening.

[crikkett]

18. oh, barf.

Too disgusted to even use the smilie.
Ferchrissakes.

[Greeby]

19. Senate Intelligence Committee

http://intelligence.senate.gov/members.htm

Democrats:

Rockefeller
Levin
Feinstein
Wyden
Bayh
Mikulski
Feingold

Statement from Feingold as to why he voted no
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Feingold_not_convinced_Hayden_respects_law_0523.html

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. My guess for No - Feingold, Wyden, and Rockefeller n/t

[Seabiscuit]

29. 2 our of 3 ain't bad. The 3rd was Bayh, not Rockefeller.

Even Carl Levin turned on us.

[adigal]

32. Bayh just went up on my list of candidates

I just heard someone talking about him today, saying he was electable in Ohio and the heartland as VP, and I thought, Just another DLC Democrat. He just went up in my estimation today.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. Hmmm. Don't let it fool you. He is usually a DINO. I heard him

on C-Span telling a 80+ year old: (paraphrasing)

Woman: "Why does it matter what you say you will do? They fixed the election. It doesn't matter now - we can never win"

Bayh: "I don't believe that there was any fraud in the election and Bush won fair and square."

[sadiesworld]

64. He's a DLC corporate whore trying to score

points with the base in anticipation of an "08 run. Should he win in '08 (heaven forbid) he'll revert back to the DLCer he's always been.

[cal04]

39. Also voting against were Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Bayh

Sen. Russ Feingold, who voted against Hayden, has deemed it illegal. ``No one is above the law,'' Feingold, D-Wis., an intelligence committee member, told Hayden at his confirmation hearing last week.

Also voting against his confirmation were Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Evan Bayh of Indiana.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5840766,00.html

[MallRat]

21. It is INEXCUSABLE that this was not a party line vote.

Force the GOP to ram Hayden down our throats. DON'T BE COMPLICIT IN PISSING AWAY OUR CIVIL RIGHTS!

I'll ask again: THERE MUST BE A REASON WHY DEMOCRATS DON'T STAND UP TO THIS. It's not because they're in the mood to shred the Constitution.

Whether it's fear, or intimidation, or half-assed strategy, or some misplaced sense of genteel Senatorial deference to a sitting President, there has GOT to be a reason why our legislators give in so easily on this shit.

[chookie]

22. Prediction:

When -- inevitably -- Hayden gets fingered for either ambiguously or clearly illegal operations, the "defence" spin will be -- "Well, he was voted for by an overwhelming bipartisan majority." (Just like the Iraq War vote -- remember?)

Here we go again -- another giant step down the road to a fascist state.

This bodes ill.

[n2doc]

56. just like Scalia, as well

They always point to his 98-0 confirmation vote when discussing SC nominees....

[enough already]

25. How could ANY Democrat vote for this nazi?

Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. I assume Feingold was one of the 3 with big enough ba!!s to do the right thing.

[saigon68]

36. Its apparently easy for them

They are part of the ruling class

[Seabiscuit]

26. Fuckin' Repukes & Friggin' DINO's. Woe is us.

[Barrett808]

28. He won't last long.

The whole edifice is crumbling -- I'm surprised he wants the job at all.

[AX10]

30. Don't be suprised if the Democrats lose this fall's election.

This vote only empowers the GOP and their pundishills in the MSM.

[opihimoimoi]

35. Dont't let us worry about our Dem Boys voting for this passage:

Them Pubs nom'd him in the first place...Its not our boy...its their boy...they nom'd him....

Why some of the Dems passed the dude...I got no answer...

Perhasps to allow more fuck ups? I just don't know....

Nevertheless...the main culprits are the PUBs...not us...

[arikara]

38. I have come to the conclusion that...

unfortunately, with a few shining exceptions the representatives in the major parties are all the same. I'm not only talking about your Democratic party. Being Canadian, I have observed that our Liberals and NDP are every bit as bad. They all enable each other because if they were in power they would be doing the same thing, perhaps in little "nicer" or more sneaky way but with the same result. Because regrettably the end goal is unlimited power to their owners... the corporations; and they don't give a damn about us.

[Rose Siding]

40. Hayden convinced them. Either they're incredibly gullible, or

they see something I don't. Why would they want their names on this?

[Rex]

41. It is a done deal; what you thought we still lived in a real democracy?

Hayden breaks the law and what happens to him? He gets a promotion! Fuck all you fascist bastards!

[Demeter]

42. Levin Is My Senile Senator

I apologise to the nation for Michigan's poor performance.

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. He is up for reelection in 2008

[Demeter]

55. And Unopposed as Yet

Primary August 8th.

[Dr Fate]

43. I hate the coward, collaborator Democrats more than the Republicans.

becuase I went in to this KNOWing that Repubs dont represent me- now I hate Democrats for lying to me and telling me they DO represent me.

Sorry, I dont flock together with cowards & collaborators. These DEMs are dead to me- it's the Alito non-filibuster all over again.

They dont care, its sooooooo obvious to me. They really just dont care.

[Kenergy]

44. Feingold '08 :-) n/t

[gulfcoastliberal]

46. Why don't the majority of our minority stand up thisNSA spying ringleader?

At this rate we deserve perpetual defeat. If our dems don't oppose what Bush wants, we deserve what we get from our so-called "democrats". I'm fucking disgusted at this outrage. It just never ends. The dem kowtow to Bushco continues even when shrubs numbers are low as ever. :mad:

[Clarkie1]

47. Clark talks about Hayden and wiretapping in latest podcast.

ClarkCast 011- NSA Wiretapping and Mike Hayden
May 21, 2006
transcript by Reg NYC

I'd like to bring up Mike Hayden. There's been a lot of discussion over the last few days about Mike Hayden and his appointment to be the Director of the CIA. I know Mike. He was a Two-Star. He was a - I think he was a Two-Star, maybe he was a One-Star getting ready to be a Two-Star - in the European Command. He was the intelligence officer when we were talking about what to do in the Balkans. I was- I talked to Mike several times personally I was with, with him on video teleconferences. I went to the region. I met with his staff. I got- I relied on him for, as a source for information. I found him to be a thoroughly competent intelligence officer. He was smart. He was well informed. He was into the details.

I don't know anything about the secret wiretapping. So, my view of it is that I think Mike Hayden is- he has a broad background. He's perfectly capable of being the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

But, having said that, I think we need a genuine detailed investigation of the NSA wiretapping program. We need an investigation that will lay out these facts in a way that will reassure the American people that our leaders don't violate the law of the land. Americans shouldn't permit a violation by the Executive Branch of the law of the land, because our security ultimately rests on the Constitution.

We took an oath, you know, all of us in- when you reenlist or when you join or when you become an officer, you say, "I'll support and uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic." "Against all enemies foreign and domestic." You're not taking an oath of fealty to the person who's in the office of Commander In Chief. You're taking an oath to support and uphold to Constitution of the United States.

That's the oath Mike Hayden took, and I think he's an honorable guy. I think he probably ran through whatever this wiretapping program is. I think he probably had legal advice that said it was permissible. He probably has a lawyer at NSA who reviews these things. I'm sure that that lawyer's opinion was vetted by, let's see, it would have been John Ashcroft and the Justice Department, and it would have been, let's see, Al Gonzales, the same guy who wrote the torture memo that said it wasn't torture unless you had destroyed a major organ or something like this. These are two men who are not known for their attentiveness to the law of the land.

I think this whole program needs to be unpacked. I think it needs to be unpacked by the United States Congress. And if the United States Congress can't do it in a way that avoids the kind of partisan Republican control, then I guess we need to have a Special Prosecutor or some Special Commission set up. Because I don't think the American people have, can have confidence in a partisan Congressional investigation in which the President's party denies the right to the opposition party to ask questions, call witnesses, subpoena evidence and make conclusions. That's the kind of cover up that's lead us to the position that we're in right now. So, I think the American people are demanding a real investigation of what this NSA program is all about, and I think that's what needs to be done.

As far as Mike Hayden is concerned, I think he needs to take off the uniform. He needs to retire, and he needs to stand on his own two feet. It's no longer enough to be a good soldier. It's no longer enough to salute the Commander In Chief and say, 'Aye, aye sir. We'll do whatever you want.' When you're the Director of Central Intelligence, you've got to move up in terms of who you are and understand the responsibilities you're carrying, and I think it's harder to do that if you're in uniform. So, I think I'd feel more comfortable if Mike, at this point, said he'd had a very successful military career, took off that uniform and became a civilian and understood that it's Mike Hayden - not an Air Force officer, not an Air Force Three-Star or Four-Star - his personal judgment, his integrity, his leadership. That's what's on the line as Director of Central Intelligence Agency. So, I think there are two different matters here, and I'd like to see this Congressional investigation get started in a serious way on the NSA wiretap.

http://www.securingamerica.com/

[many a good man]

54. Help me find quotes from press conference

where Hayden bragged about NSA being so stringent following law and then completely misinterpreting the 4th amendment a few minutes later. I want to put it in my letter to Mikulski.

[leesa]

58. This is why I won't ever vote for Feinstein again.

[Baclava]

59. I can't believe all the naivety on here...

Of coure the NSA is above the law...this isn't about Party - this is about Power.

Belong to the right clique, and you can rule like a God.

This is what's happening in our country.

[newspeak]

61. I vaguely remember reading on the DU board some time ago

that Feinstein's hubby was a signer to the PNAC. Anybody remember?

[MrTriumph]

62. Why does the Senate hate the 4th Amendment?.

x

[antonialee839]

63. I wonder how many Dem Senators have had their phone

conversations listened in on by The Bush Crime Family? You have to wonder if they even care.

[upi402]

66. Maybe that's why they support BushCo so often

[savemefromdumbya]

68. Did anyone say MZM?

[TankLV]

69. Great. Just fucking great. We must work to unseat EVERY dem who voted

for this.

Maybe we can't get them all out now, but this should be our goal to get them all replaced.

This is simply inexcusable.

Same with those who voted for the so-called "patriot-act", and approving "gorgonzola rice" and a whole slew of other travesties.

INEXCUSEABLE!