Gay Republicans warming to Bush (Despite 2004 campaign tactics)

[sabra]

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/14463871.htm

Gay Republicans warming to Bush
Despite anger with the paarty’s 2004 campaign tactics, many like new GOP initiatives

Cox News Service

WASHINGTON — Gay Republicans still are angry with the Bush White House about the way it ran the 2004 presidential campaign, but the frosty relationship is warming.

...

Baby steps, advises Patrick Guerriero, the president of Log Cabin Republicans, the lobbying organization for gay and lesbian Republicans, which wrapped up its national convention here this weekend.

...

“On the days that I have disagreements with people like (evangelist) Jerry Falwell, I’m reminded that I disagree more with (House Democratic leader) Nancy Pelosi on a hundred different issues,” Guerriero said in an interview during his group’s gathering.

It is a sentiment widely shared among the 400 Log Cabin Republicans who attended the convention, many of whom acknowledged the difficulty of being members of a political party that, as Guerriero put it, “has used us as a wedge issue” to win elections.

[greekspeak]

1. So...are the log cabiners so greedy they will take anything to get richer?

Is that what they are all about? I cannot imagine being so money hungry that I would act as official whipping group of the Puke party. Half of the Puke base would kill them if Shrub okayed it. The other half could care less, as long as they function nicely as a PR stunt. God, it must be aweful to be so pathetic.

[brentspeak]

23. They'll gladly trade their dignity

for a chance to inherit Mommy and Daddy's millions not affected by the Estate Tax.

[teknomanzer]

25. Okay a couple of things here...

First off I find it amusing that gay Republicans couldn't resist an obvious phallic reference in the name of their group. Anyone know the story behind the name?

Next... why, why, why, would you want to associate with a party whose platform seeks to reduce you to a nonperson? No amount of money would make me want to hang out with Neo-nazis. So why the hell would anyone from the GLBTG community want to associate with a party that panders to bigoted fundamentalists?

I think the Log Cabin Republicans are irrelevant. Its apparent how little influence they have with the Republican leadership.

[Lexingtonian]

29. The moniker

is a reference to Abe Lincoln, who is imagined by some to have been gay. :eyes:

LCRs represent in part an older way of coping with gay life. There was historically a way of doing it that required a lot of money, secrecy, use of male privilege, closeted gay networks, great ability to manipulate people, and extreme viciousness in dealing with people who could or would expose you. The establishment has found such people useful in capacities that required these qualities...sadly dirty work, mostly. Ken Mehlman would be a relatively young representative of the type, but Ed Schrock and Mark Foley and David Dreier and Jim McCrery, probably Dana Rohrabacher too, and the like represent it more accurately.

Other LCRs seem to be people who see the advantages there are to the gay ghetto way of life and prefer them, or in any case simply find mainstream normality unbearable or unimaginable. Or simple selfishness tells them to let other people suffer and burn themselves out in the fight for gay equality, and to enjoy the fruits but to make no personal sacrifice.

[Blue_Tires]

72. good insights n/t

[Hekate]

73. Fascinating. You make it sound like a medieval secret society...

... which in a way it probably was, at one time.

Friends of yours? :-)

Hekate

[pinerow]

42. Self Loathing at its highest...

nt

[mtnester]

57. May I add one small correction to your post..

you stated "Half of the Puke base would kill them if Shrub okayed it. The other half could care less, as long as they function nicely as a PR stunt. God, it must be aweful to be so pathetic"

Let me correct you to say the OTHER half would quietly turn their heads at the first half killing spree, then go shopping.

Every day I wonder when they will come for my son...every day. Groups like the Log Cabin Republicans make it more likely that will happen...sheesh they damn near give PERMISSION for that to happen by supporting that aswipe in chief.

I have ZERO tolerance and respect for that outfit. ZERO.

[Tight_rope]

60. Yes...its truely sad to see the Log Cabin Republicans sell theirs souls ..

to the devil.

[WindRavenX]

2. fuck them

If you're willing to support other people who see you as less than a full human being, you've got a whole lot of stupid in you.

Logcabin Republicans are the lowest of the low.

[valerief]

3. Whores are whores, no matter what group they align themselves with. n/t

[Tight_rope]

61. You are damn right!

A whore is a whore is a whore. And the LCR are a bunch of whores. Only one difference between and prostitutes. Prostitutes sell their bodies for money...but the LCR sell their "SOUL" for money.:spank:

[onehandle]

4. Jewish Germans warming to Hitler (Despite 1933 campaign tactics)

Idiots.

[FredScuttle]

47. Chickens warming to Col. Sanders despite deep frying tactics

Fuckin' idiots.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

5. All 400 members? Pfffft.

[IChing]

6. Who wrote this? Ken Mehlman?

Gotta get our base together for the fall election?
Bullshit

[progdonkey]

7. "On the days I have disagreements with people like Jerry Falwell"

"I don't have too much of a problem who think my whole existence is an insult to God and that my extermination would make the world a better place, but that bitch Pelosi wants to make me pay more income tax so children can learn how to read. Now that is intolerance!"

Log Cabin Republicans are scum. As the other poster said, Fuck Them.

[0007]

8. Jeff Gannon should be thrilled to hear how progressive the

GOP party is becoming.

[ReadTomPaine]

9. Just write these fools off.

I wouldn't want them near a Democratic platform.

[Liberal Veteran]

10. What a stupid thing.

Can you imagine a Jewish person saying, "Well, sure there is that thing with the concentration camps and stuff, but look at how great Hitler is on national security and the economy."

[hatrack]

12. "Sure, I have to wear this little pink triangle everywhere I go . . .

But sure can't beat those TAX BREAKS, now can ya?!?!"

:eyes:

[leesa]

31. And they got a 100% tax break in the concentration camps. Double Plus

Good!

[cboy4]

15. Yes. Exactly!! Very well said!

[xchrom]

11. proving that no matter what republicans are loyal.

they are fascist first to the bone.

they would let falwell burn them at the stake before embracing a politic that is actually good for them.

give them another tax break.

[cboy4]

13. The Log Cabins make me want to vomit.

Nanci Pelosi is 100 times more accepting of gays than Jerry Falwell, yet this ass clown Guerriero

disagrees with her on "a hundred different issues" versus anything Falwell says. What a dumb fuck.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Maven]

14. As Susan Sarandon said in Bull Durham,

"This world was made for those who weren't cursed with self-awareness."

One of my favorite movie lines ever. It applies to all Republicans really, but this sorry bunch especially. If only they could see themselves from the outside, they might learn the meaning of shame.

[Zorra]

16. Are the Log Cabin Republicans an organization of masochists?

That would explain it.

Otherwise, these people are all about being plain old stupid.

[salin]

17. GREED. Only way I can explain it.

Somehow think the economic policies benefit them in ways that trump the trampling of their civil rights.

[barb162]

32. reminds me of Cheney's daughter, working on his campaign.

[Liberal Veteran]

19. I think the more accurate pathology would be co-dependent ..

Of course the other side of that is they think it's "radical" to distance themselves from the "common" gays.

It's truly pathological.

[Selteri]

18. They seem like such self-hating gays to me.

Just by the statement alone, they are part of a party that is using them as a wedge issue, that loves to hate them.

It would be to me like going to an KKK Meeting because I don't like Blacks but was dating a Japanese Woman. I would still be on their hate list for being a 'racially mixed couple' but I wouldn't be the big bad black enemy. They'd still kick the crap out of me and prolly use me as an example of mixed race issues for their own propoganda. Mind you, I'm not racist, I judge people by what they do, not the color of their skin or country of origin, that is an example of the kind of hypocritical self abuse Log Cabin Republicans put themself into the line for.

[WePurrsevere]

20. There's always some folks, within every group, that seem hell bent ....

to prove that GREED & STUPID aren't prejudiced.... just "Republican".

[6000eliot]

21. On every issue except that they hate you and want you dead!

What a fucking tool.

[brentspeak]

22. The Log Cabin Repubs are cut from the same "I've got mine, screw you!"

mold as the country-club Republicans, ie. utterly amoral, the ends-justifies-the-means, exploitative, I-Me-Mine types.

[ldf]

69. it also shows that people with money live in a different world.

the rich do not have to deal with everyday life like the rest of us.

even when the proverbial shit REALLY, SERIOUSLY hits the fan, they will live at a level in society that will not be touched.

at least that is what they think. i think they may be surprised. there will be no gates and no security systems that will protect them from the angry masses.

the log cabin republicans want so much to be a part of this level of status hungry americans that they have literally sold their souls for it. they vote their wallet, because the laws won't (at least they think) affect them.

just look at the number of republicans who get caught, bent over, pants around their ankles. (duke cunningham's "hospitality suite" with multiple bedrooms? jeffie gannon's hotbed of republican johns?) the rules don't apply to them.

again, we shall see what happens. i almost look forward to it, but not quite. but that could change, too.

[truthisfreedom]

24. i've got log cabin thugs on two sides of my house, and they're the only

people in my neighborhood who NEVER put up campaign signs. meanwhile, the whole neighborhood puts up Democratic signs, and while we save the day, they quietly scream (indoors) "I'VE GOT MINE, F.U.!"

it's very very strange. embarrassment as a way of life.

[Finder]

26. Headline is misleading...

Warming to GOP not Bush. Repubs for Choice, Log Cabin Repubs, and other moderate or liberal repubs feel they have been between a rock and a hard place as far as party politics for the last few years. They want the fundies out of government as much as we do.

[fshrink]

27. An asshole is an asshole.

[wiley]

28. The thing is that

their desire to be the ideal white (even when they aren't) fiscally prudent and non-effeminate conservative, accepted by those they'd like to worship on their knees, is far more important to them than to ever be associated with or physically touch a working or lower class person. They would rather be dead than to share even a public perception of being supportive of or any way associated with the darker skinned people of this country. Their club is a way for them to openly discuss their disgust with anything non-white, and demonstrate that they are somehow still genetically untainted. It's not uncommon, for example, to hear a white or Latino gay person to say they would never have sex with a black person. That's an unspoken eligibility criteria for their club.

[Placebo]

34. Couldn't have said it better.

You are absolutely correct.

[JerseygirlCT]

30. Masochists nt

[Placebo]

33. These Gay Republicans are COMPLETELY out of touch.

They consistently hang on to a party that despises them and that kicked them to the curb ages ago.

Now they're "warming" again to the Republican party.

It's just sick. They never stop coming back for more.

[deadparrot]

35. I'm happy for the three of them.

:eyes:

[mitchum]

36. Despicable

[DanCa]

37. Thier are people in the Parkinson community that voted for Dubya.

And that the Liberals are against stem cell research. It take all kinds I guess.

[readmoreoften]

38. Stockholm Syndrome

Their whole lives are about being allowed back into the frat house. I despise them.

[TankLV]

39. I wonder will they still feel that way when they are "herded into the

trains"?

There's a sucker born every minute!

sighy...

[Miss Chybil]

40. Poleez. Ok, this is probably not very "politically correct" but

me thinks, perhaps, these Log Cabin guys are just a little bit too used to getting it in the bumper. They can't tell if they're getting screwed, or getting screwed.

[dsc]

41. What really galls me about these people

is that the only reason they get protected from their bad choices is by the work of gay Democrats. They should be ashamed of themselves but clearly aren't.

[mac56]

43. Log Closet Republicans

A bunch of trust fund brats who haven't officially come out to Mater and Pater yet.

Egad, they may lose their inheritance and the place in the Hampsteads!

[LiberalFighter]

44. Exactly what are those 100 different issues?

All they mentioned was the following:

I believe in the traditional tenets of the Republican Party: limited government, responsible government, the notion of personal responsibility over government regulation.

And aren't those tenets bullshit compared to what they have been following?

[IndianaGreen]

45. Falwell will put your queer ass in the gas chamber

I think that alone is enough reason to prefer Pelosi!

Sometimes I wonder if Log Cabin Republicans, who were so right about marriage equality, don't see the irony of supporting a political party that would rather see them dead.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

46. Perhaps one of them will give him a blow job

and then we can impeach him.

--Just a suggestion... :shrug:

[wellst0nev0ter]

48. A Republican By Any Other Name Is Still A Republican

Being gay is just a minor setback for them. They believe they have enough wealth to weather out any anti-gay bigot policies the pukes manage to get through. That's why Mary Cheney is a dyed-in-the wool Republican - her and her girlfriend are a couple of trust-fund babies.

[Zhade]

49. Falwell wants you DEAD, Pelosi wants you to sepnd money on others.

Guerriero, you're a muthafuckin IDIOT! Can't you see they don't care about you AT ALL?

Be a respectable queen, you coward!

[progressivebydesign]

50. 400 Log Cabin Republicans? Isn't THAT the bigger story?

400? Wow.. that's some influential group in South Carolina. Not. I think you'd have a bigger showing of people if you asked every left handed guy named Bob that once voted Republican in South Carolina. 400 Log Cabin republicans in one state is not exactly earth shattering.

If they're dumb enough to support someone that used gay marriage as a hateful wedge issue, then have at it.. they're only screwing themselves. AND if they claim that they support Bush & Co. for financial reasons, they're not only dumb but masochistic... cuz not ONE of the cornerstones of Republicanism is being served by the nitwits in power.

[queerart]

51. What A Suprise For This Sad Group

[judaspriestess]

52. gee maybe thats why there are only 400 log cabin repukes? n/t

[anotherdrew]

53. "Gay Republicans" all bottoms who like a good spanking?

idiots.

[sweetheart]

54. Thats the secret

Bush should start giving press conferences whilst
turned around, with a podium 1 yard tall, and his
pants dropped down. Then when he talks out his
ass, we'll see his cheeks moving.

It'll improve his numbers with some gay people.

It'll turn off some others... but these log
jammer guys will probably like it.

[Kailassa]

55. When the bullion-carrying ship started sinking,

the sailors guarding the gold dubloons
were avariciously stuffing their pockets with coins
when it went down.

And many years later,
when treasure hunters found the wreck,
they prised the hands of contorted skeletons
from leather sacks of still gleaming booty.

The Log Cabinners will always lust after the party
displaying the biggest booty.

[rucky]

56. 400 Log Cabin Republicans... BFD

and this gets on the wires?!

WTF

[arwalden]

58. Even If I Live To Be 100 Years Old, I'll NEVER Understand Gay Republicans

I'll never understand why anyone would want to be a part of a group that loathes and despises them?

Black Republicans also puzzle me.

[Hard_Work]

59. Damn.

This would be like me supporting slave owners.

[Strathos]

62. Gay Republicans? That makes me laugh

A gay republican is like a black KKK member, WAY out of place and completely unwanted.

[gatlingforme]

63. Gay Republicans is a joke. These people are really over the top

I do not get it and I never will. Whipping boys is what they are and apparantly they love it.

[Rocknrule]

64. Only 3 words come to mind: Jews for Hitler

[hyphenate]

65. Once upon a time

the world was full of "gays" who kept their secrets even to their graves. Very few of them were able to express themselves without risking life and limb in an effort to look as "normal" as possible. Every family had them:" the lifelong "bachelor" who never married; the uncle who had a "girlfriend" but who never talked about it; the family member who was more comfortable among those of their own gender; etc.

As someone said, a lot of them were discreet about their exploits in getting satisfaction, while others would talk about "queers" and "fags" with derogatory remarks, hoping to fend off such accusations on their own sexuality.

When the time came for a more direct approach, and when being gay was no longer a stigma, it made life so much easier for many who had lived closeted for their whole lives.

I find it so sad that so many refuse to give themselves a break and become more open about their sexuality, because frankly, it is a part of who they are, and not something to be either afraid of or secret. If gay republicans can't come out, they're only denying a very large part of themselves, and are showing that they are somehow resigned to being those of the past generations who could not accept themselves for what they were.

[skypilot]

66. Some of the most vile, pathetic...

...motherfuckers on the face of the planet. It suddenly occurs to me that more than half the times I use the word motherfucker on this board, it is in reference to a Log Cabiner. They bring out the beast in me. Just as the rest of the country is giving Bush his abysmal poll numbers these idiots decide to warm up to him. I can't even begin to put into words how much I despise them.

[madmark]

67. what i don't get it is what do they agree on with Bush? Rampant

borrowing and spending? International military quagmires? Inability to catch terrorist who masterminds killing of thousands of americans? Inability to stop the same terrorist in the first place? Inability to rescue americans from a destroyed city? Inability to obey the bill of rights? Inability to comply with treaties? Inability to avoid appointing a crony to the SC? What?

[BigDDem]

68. But wait...

they're "changing the party, one party at a time!"

What a bunch of fucking idiots.

[ldf]

70. is that the "white" circuit party?

or the "black" circuit party?

[BreweryYardRat]

71. There's always going to be blindly stupid people in the world.

Ignore them, since you can't legally put them down for stupidity. Put your time towards something constructive.

Arranging to have Jerry Falwell stoned, for example.